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Sat Jun 17, 2017, 08:00 AM

I'm sick to think of how 7 sailors may have died

and incredulous how a destroyer can be hit by a commercial ship reportedly 3 times it's size in the dead of night?

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Reply I'm sick to think of how 7 sailors may have died (Original post)
HAB911 Jun 2017 OP
luvMIdog Jun 2017 #1
Siwsan Jun 2017 #2
riversedge Jun 2017 #3
Kittycow Jun 2017 #4
JayhawkSD Jun 2017 #5
The River Jun 2017 #6
TEB Jun 2017 #7
n2doc Jun 2017 #8
CanonRay Jun 2017 #9
n2doc Jun 2017 #10

Response to HAB911 (Original post)

Sat Jun 17, 2017, 08:02 AM

1. and yet Donald Trump tweets nothing about that. Just more about covering his ass

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Response to HAB911 (Original post)

Sat Jun 17, 2017, 08:07 AM

2. Same here

I'm wondering when, and if, the details will be released.

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Response to HAB911 (Original post)

Sat Jun 17, 2017, 08:08 AM

3. I see that ships are now looking for bodies. May the families find peace.

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Response to riversedge (Reply #3)

Sat Jun 17, 2017, 09:11 AM

4. Very sad..

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Response to HAB911 (Original post)

Sat Jun 17, 2017, 09:29 AM

5. I would guess you have never "gone down to the sea in ships."

 

It is a dangerous place. In 1963 the USS Thresher was lost at sea with all hands. One of them was a man who had been my shipmate and best friend for eight years.

Eternal Father, strong to save,
Whose arm hath bound the restless wave,
Who bidd'st the mighty ocean deep
Its own appointed limits keep;
Oh, hear us when we cry to Thee,
For those in peril on the sea!

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Response to HAB911 (Original post)

Sat Jun 17, 2017, 09:53 AM

6. Collisions at Sea

Been there, did that. The collision alarm is the loudest thing I every heard. The ships became entangled and 2 airplanes were ripped off our flightdeck. There were bombs, gas and oil everywhere. Luckily no fire broke out. I held my breath for about 3 minutes just waiting for an explosion that thankfully never happened. There are 2 oral histories at the links below.

1968 collision between the USS Hancock CVA-19 and the USS Camden AOE-2 during an underway replenishment off the coast of Vietnam.

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Response to HAB911 (Original post)

Sat Jun 17, 2017, 09:56 AM

7. Prayers

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Response to HAB911 (Original post)

Sat Jun 17, 2017, 10:05 AM

8. Both Captains screwed up

But by maritime law the more maneuverable ship is a fault here. That means the Navy ship, unless it was conducting operations that prevented it from moving.

I know of an incident where a research vessel ran into an oil platform in the Gulf of Mexico. The idiot Captain put the ship on autopilot and played cards. Fortunately it only struck a glancing blow and no oil was spilled or lives lost. But he did get fired over it. I suspect something similar happened here, no one paying attention to the radar.

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Response to n2doc (Reply #8)

Sat Jun 17, 2017, 10:16 AM

9. I know collisions used to happen often, especially at night or in fog

but how do you not see a giant cargo ship on radar? Somebody was asleep at the switch. On a combat vessel, isn't someone supposed to be watching 24/7?

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Response to CanonRay (Reply #9)

Sat Jun 17, 2017, 10:29 AM

10. Yes, they are

So somebody screwed up badly. The ultimate blame will fall on the Captain ,who will lose his command.

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