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Sun Jun 25, 2017, 10:58 AM

Neighbor boy failed benning osut

Chapter case this young man had high ideas dreams of AIRBORNE SCHOOL perhaps RIP. Ranger indoc program I myself only attended osut infantry then jump school was never that motivated to be high speed. I understand as parent we do not want are children to face hardship I tried to explain to his mother do not get involved he will catch a recycle and get with program. I think she did with senators church pastor. But he volunteered to do this I told him take it day by day moment to next moment. a lot of it is mental. GI bill was this kids shot and now he tells his mom that he just wants come home get a job. maybe his job back at grocery store , I feel sad for the kid.

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Reply Neighbor boy failed benning osut (Original post)
TEB Jun 2017 OP
JustABozoOnThisBus Jun 2017 #1
DashOneBravo Jun 2017 #2
JustABozoOnThisBus Jun 2017 #5
DashOneBravo Jun 2017 #7
JustABozoOnThisBus Jun 2017 #14
jmowreader Aug 2017 #19
TEB Jun 2017 #3
tazkcmo Jun 2017 #8
DashOneBravo Jun 2017 #4
TEB Jun 2017 #6
DashOneBravo Jun 2017 #9
tazkcmo Jun 2017 #10
TEB Jun 2017 #11
tazkcmo Jun 2017 #12
TEB Jun 2017 #13
tazkcmo Jun 2017 #15
TEB Jun 2017 #16
tazkcmo Jun 2017 #17
TEB Jun 2017 #18

Response to TEB (Original post)

Sun Jun 25, 2017, 11:09 AM

1. The kid enlisted?

What are options if the kid fails osut (whatever that is), and never gets to airborne or ranger schools then he serves in some other capacity until his term of service expires and then he gets GI bill same as rangers and airbornes and infantry and cooks and clerks, so it's a win for the kid, he's a vet with GI bill and V.A. benefits the whole nine yards right?

Is quitting to stock grocery shelves an option after enlisting? I don't remember being offered that option, until the reenlistment sergeant came calling.

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Response to JustABozoOnThisBus (Reply #1)

Sun Jun 25, 2017, 11:17 AM

2. OSUT

Is One Station Unit Training. It's basically basic and advanced training in one place.

If he's not completed OSUT I don't think he's eligible for any benifts.

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Response to DashOneBravo (Reply #2)

Sun Jun 25, 2017, 11:24 AM

5. I guess I went through "TSFT"

Two Station Fragmented Training .

My drill sergeant failed to tell me that failure was an option (51 years ago). But, if failure results in a "General" discharge, then yeah, no benefits.

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Response to JustABozoOnThisBus (Reply #5)

Sun Jun 25, 2017, 11:58 AM

7. Had not heard of that.

It's much harder to pronounce that "oh-set"

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Response to DashOneBravo (Reply #7)

Sun Jun 25, 2017, 12:55 PM

14. I just made it up ...

but I would pronounce it "tough shit".

Basic in Ft Bliss TX, AIT in Ft Polk LA. Great places to be this time of year.

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Response to JustABozoOnThisBus (Reply #5)

Sat Aug 26, 2017, 02:56 AM

19. Failing initial training results in an "uncategorized" discharge

There aren't any benefits, but it doesn't really hurt you either - not like a general-or-below discharge would do.

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Response to JustABozoOnThisBus (Reply #1)

Sun Jun 25, 2017, 11:17 AM

3. Don't know fine details bro

Just that he is getting out on a chapter we had em at benning as well. 2 of em were dudes I enlisted with out of 5 of us from high school. The 3 of us made it we survived alive today to joke about it.

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Response to JustABozoOnThisBus (Reply #1)

Sun Jun 25, 2017, 12:02 PM

8. Yes, he can remain in the Army.

Depending on the reason he "failed" the Basic Training (BT) portion of his One Station Unit Training (OSUT). If he was hurt, he'll be repaired and held at his current unit and do odd jobs for the permanent unit members (Cadre) like the Supply Sgt or 1st Sgt. Once whole and able to perform, he'd be "recycled" into a unit that is the same training module as he was when he got hurt and life goes on.
If he can't be repaired and made whole, he'd be discharged but honorably and possibly with a disability payment. It can get complicated here and often times a lawyer may be needed to fight for him.

Now, if he just can't meet the standards of a portion of BT (Can't do enough push ups, lousy at shooting a weapon) or what ever training he's in (I'm assuming he's in BT as it's the first course and none progress without completing it) then they'll give him extra training to try to get him through or again, recycled into another unit to try again. Ranger, Airborne and other advanced courses work much the same way. The Army spends a boat load to recruit these people and don't quit on them easily so normally there's ample chances to succeed.

In my 5 years at a BT and later a OSUT company, I saw many injured soldiers convalesce, recycle and then finish their BT and move on. I saw a small hand full medical discharge out. I also saw a lot of them just plain quit. Yes, it can be done but the Army doesn't just let you go and it's not simple but it does happen. There's not enough info here to know what's going on with this particular soldier but it sounds to me like he doesn't want to recycle or he found out how hard Army life can be (And he's in the BASIC portion, it gets MUCH harder) and prefers life at the Piggly Wiggly. No shame in that, it happens all the time.

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Response to TEB (Original post)

Sun Jun 25, 2017, 11:19 AM

4. What is the reason?

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Response to DashOneBravo (Reply #4)

Sun Jun 25, 2017, 11:34 AM

6. Not sure bro on finer details

What I gather by mom his mom that abuse was rampant. So I told her he is talking about getting smoked. it is order of the day constantly you are fucking up one makes a mistake , the whole plt gets smoked beating idea of no individuality you all are now a whole. i had to calm her down on that she had visions of full metal jacket training. I told her look in osut I never witnessed any trainee being physically hands on by a infantry DRILL. I said those nco's are professionals. Personally I told her from my experience I was terrified of them they had fear down to science. Check your email as in P.S. enjoy the 15 I give a shit about the 20 pounds in 30 years lol.

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Response to TEB (Reply #6)

Sun Jun 25, 2017, 12:05 PM

9. My sister said the same

At graduation. She saw another company low crawling with rifles. It was just the training. Family members who aren't familiar with infantry units are rudely awakened by the discipline and training.

Have to wait and see what's in paperwork. Lots of times the guy could be misleading about the reason. Cause it's may be embarrassing.

I'll check out the PM

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Response to TEB (Reply #6)

Sun Jun 25, 2017, 12:12 PM

10. Sounds to me

The kid saw too many movies and had no idea what it was about. Happens all the time but never ceases to amaze me that these kids see movies and play army video games and think how cool would this be? Then they get to Basic and shit their civilian pants and suddenly the Piggly Wiggly and Mom's cooking aren't so bad. These kids usually come from semi comfortable backgrounds.

Conversely, I've seen "thug" (Inner city, African American youth from a single parent home on the border of a life of crime) after "thug", huge with street attitude come in, resist the mental changes (Team work, solidarity, many as one, empathy for your buddies, etc) while embracing and succeeding at the physical aspects, the marksmanship, the field exercises etc. and by the time BT ends, they're our Soldier of the Quarter nominee. It's an amazing transformation and there were times at post BT graduation ceremonies I had to hide due to my emotions (I cried, OK?!).

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Response to tazkcmo (Reply #10)

Sun Jun 25, 2017, 12:29 PM

11. Hear you were you a Drill if I may ask

Osut benning A/10/2 84 June I arrived

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Response to TEB (Reply #11)

Sun Jun 25, 2017, 12:36 PM

12. No, not a drill.

I was a supply sgt and worked for 5 years at the same unit. Very rare but it happens. I was at Ft Bliss, US Army Training Center, C/3/2 1986-1991. We started as OSUT, then went strictly BT then back to OSUT for Patriot missile crews members. I actively pursued and got real lucky getting that assignment.

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Response to tazkcmo (Reply #12)

Sun Jun 25, 2017, 12:45 PM

13. Cool

when I pcs from Bragg to west Germany we had this supply sgt. man that guy was character sense humor. He was Jamaican grew up in queens ny, he would always make his way to our room or 113 apc in field to hang with us. He figured out when we go on the net entering comms. I used to mess up intentionally so are African commo sgt come flying down motor pool teaching me how to enter net correct , he still had thick African accent and his English was not great. Supply sgt say man you always get him going I'd just smile.

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Response to TEB (Reply #13)

Sun Jun 25, 2017, 12:58 PM

15. lol Funny!

When I arrived at that BT unit, I was an E-2 and had an E-6 supply sgt from Puerto Rico and an E-4 AA clerk. The E-4 would get the E-6 mad so that he'd start fouling up his English and make no sense.

One time in particular he got the Sgt so mad he said, "You always disrespect my rank! You constipatedly question my orders!" Man, those episodes were a gas and great entertainment.

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Response to tazkcmo (Reply #15)

Sun Jun 25, 2017, 01:07 PM

16. Oh man that is funny

We had this nco from rico he was mellow. He had his wife accompanied him west Germany man she ruled him with iron fist. She would hop in the ford and come looking for him, at the bars pubs we haunted seriously like an Eastwood spaghetti western. The pub door would open and she walked in he knew the night was over for him. She would glare at me I never said a word as only see you later Jose.

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Response to TEB (Reply #16)

Sun Jun 25, 2017, 01:20 PM

17. Good times!

The Drill Sgts I worked with were afraid of my wife. Occasionally, they would need to call me in the wee hours of night for various reasons and the phone was on her side of the bed (Ah, good old land lines!) so it was she that answered and not very pleasantly. She'd cuss them lout for their lack of planning or fore sight then give me the phone.

They called her the Dragon Lady and they would draw straws to see who would call. I always cracked up when I'd get to the unit to provide them with their needed items and listen to veterans of Vietnam expressing fear of the Dragon Lady!

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Response to tazkcmo (Reply #17)

Sun Jun 25, 2017, 01:26 PM

18. Agreed

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