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Sat May 23, 2015, 11:35 AM

No Presidential Candidate...

No presidential candidate in 2016 will get one vote or one nickel from me UNTIL I am satisfied that black lives matter to them. Until black lives matter to them, they are no longer assured my vote. And, I have voted in every local and national election since the first year I was able to vote in 1992.

What counts as evidence for me?

1) Legislation that you passed that keeps individuals in my community ALIVE.
2) Their presence on the streets of America in communities as we cry, march, and scream about the murders of our loved ones at the hands of police officers.
3) Their presence in our town hall meetings in unscripted forums as we try to come to solutions to the problems of over aggressive policing.
(feel free to add as you see fit)...

Until then, I'm done. I believe in climate change. But, in 2016, your belief in it won't earn you my vote. I believe in a long list of things, but in 2016, I will be a one issue voter. I will vote for the presidential candidate who believes in working to help keep my sons alive.

At the moment, I see NO presidential candidate willing to walk the walk...and precious few politicians, in general. But, I could be wrong. PLEASE tell me something great about the one you're supporting. Otherwise, I'm just done.

I don't post much here anymore. I do miss you guys in the group. I miss you the most on days like this, with the Cleveland verdict. I'm sick to tears. I'm sick of carrying water for people who don't give a rat's rear about black folk until its election season. Then they get your vote and go and do their own thing and I'm supposed to take some kind of pride in the fact that my team won. I'm so sorry for the rant. But, I'm just so sick and tired of watching us die at the hands of the police and then, there are just no consequences.

My team isn't winning. My team is dying. They STILL HAVE NOT EVEN INTERVIEWED THE KILLER OF TAMIR RICE. I want to know what EVERY presidential candidate thinks about that. I want to know what they're willing to do about that. I plan to vote for the candidate that can't stop thinking and talking about it. My next vote for a presidential candidate will be for the one who can't stop talking about and who has already shown evidence of working to make a difference. If they haven't been working to make a difference, they can start today. I'll be watching.

That is all...

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Reply No Presidential Candidate... (Original post)
onpatrol98 May 2015 OP
NYC_SKP May 2015 #1
daleanime May 2015 #2
NYC_SKP May 2015 #3
daleanime May 2015 #6
onpatrol98 May 2015 #4
NYC_SKP May 2015 #5
MADem May 2015 #21
Number23 May 2015 #7
JustAnotherGen May 2015 #9
Number23 May 2015 #12
JustAnotherGen May 2015 #13
onpatrol98 May 2015 #14
Number23 May 2015 #15
1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #16
JustAnotherGen May 2015 #17
1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #18
JustAnotherGen May 2015 #19
1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #20
onpatrol98 May 2015 #11
NYC_SKP May 2015 #22
JustAnotherGen May 2015 #8
Name removed May 2015 #10

Response to onpatrol98 (Original post)

Sat May 23, 2015, 11:40 AM

1. Sanders vs Clinton on Womens' Rights, LGBT Rights, Civil Rights:

 

One scores higher than the other.

Sanders:

Rated 93% by the ACLU, indicating a pro-civil rights voting record. (Dec 2002)
Rated 100% by the HRC, indicating a pro-gay-rights stance. (Dec 2006)
Rated 97% by the NAACP, indicating a pro-affirmative-action stance. (Dec 2006)

Clinton:

Rated 60% by the ACLU, indicating a mixed civil rights voting record. (Dec 2002)
Rated 89% by the HRC, indicating a pro-gay-rights stance. (Dec 2006)
Rated 96% by the NAACP, indicating a pro-affirmative-action stance. (Dec 2006)

http://www.ontheissues.org/senate/bernie_sanders.htm
http://www.ontheissues.org/Hillary_Clinton.htm

Just a taste, I would like to see all of them score 100 on the NAACP rating.

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Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #1)

Sat May 23, 2015, 11:44 AM

2. And we know Bernie has been good on these issues.....

but he should be a presence and a leading role. It's badly needed.

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Response to daleanime (Reply #2)

Sat May 23, 2015, 11:48 AM

3. When the media give him more coverage, expect a greater presence.

 

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Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #3)

Sat May 23, 2015, 12:28 PM

6. Oh, I don't doubt that he'll make better use of the soapbox.....

I'm looking forward to it.

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Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #1)

Sat May 23, 2015, 11:55 AM

4. I love you, NYC_SKP

Those are great points. I'm looking for something more basic. For instance, "Do I believe you give one whit for us dying daily, and the people committing the crimes getting off with no penalties."

The "pro-affirmative-action stance" is great, if you can live to get the benefits of it.

In my house, this is immensely high on our agenda. Is it high on theirs? If so, if you're a senator or a rep, it should be reflected in bills that you're authoring or authored.

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Response to onpatrol98 (Reply #4)

Sat May 23, 2015, 12:00 PM

5. Awww. Well it needs to be said, and I'm going to work to say it.

 

Sanders has a rich and long record of doing the right thing.

Of course not all of his bills are passed but that's no reason to aim lower.

Clinton and her supporters are literally saying "aim lower, aim for compromise".

No. Not going to do that.

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Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #1)

Thu May 28, 2015, 10:45 AM

21. You are quoting some statistics from little polls that are nearly a decade old... or more?

A snapshot from a moment in time.

And you want people to regard them as dispositive...? As proof that your beloved is superior to some other...?

Miss Jackson wants a word with you:


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Response to onpatrol98 (Original post)

Sat May 23, 2015, 05:04 PM

7. I agree with you 100%. And it is so good to see you again



I came in here just to post an OP about some of the really weaselly confusing and disgusting behavior that popped up in another thread in reference to Hillary's support among black folks. It was shocking some of the crap that was being spewed there.

Re: Tamir Rice, the people who really need to have their asses handed to them are the prosecutors and "investigators" there. I recently read that his mother has been so devastated over her son's death that she is now living in a homeless shelter. It is heartbreaking and dispiriting in every way. I am screaming for her and her son.

But I agree with you that seeing what the current crop of presidential candidates think about all of this would definitely give us an understanding of how important this is to them. The Dem Party has always been fairly slow and weak on civil rights issues but they are still light years beyond the Republicans who, drunk on Tea, have gone BACKWARDS and gotten even crazier and stupid over the last 20 years.

Wouldn't it be amazing to see a Dem at the next Black Lives Matter rally??

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Response to Number23 (Reply #7)

Sun May 24, 2015, 05:56 AM

9. Let's take it up a notch




Wouldn't it be amazing to see a Dem at the next Black Lives Matter rally??


Let's see a Democratic candidate do a one one - knee to knee - with young black Americans - the way that Rand Paul is doing. Amazing that the assiest ass wipe over there is doing this - eh?

I can only see one candidate on our side doing this. And it's not Sanders or Clinton.

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #9)

Sun May 24, 2015, 05:22 PM

12. "I can only see one candidate on our side doing this. And it's not Sanders or Clinton."

Didn't you mention that you were working on Jim Webb's campaign? What do you think his chances are?

And is he the one you think would be out front and center interacting with black people?

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Response to Number23 (Reply #12)

Sun May 24, 2015, 05:36 PM

13. I'm supporting O'Malley first

Webb second.

Giftedgirl made great points the other day - but I'm more swayed by a black woman I've known 27 years that took a chance on Baltimore. I even challenged her with gg's points (they were solid) and she said what does your gut tell you?

Is mea culpa a few weeks ago was genuine. He's learning.

And I like Webb's evolution on same sex marriage. And due to life experience - he gets that families look a lot different than they used to,

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #13)

Mon May 25, 2015, 09:50 PM

14. I do like O'Malley...

I'll have to see where he stands on some of these issues. I think he's going to have his hands full with discussions of Baltimore. But, I would really like to hear more from him.

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Response to onpatrol98 (Reply #14)

Mon May 25, 2015, 10:21 PM

15. Do you have a candidate yet or are you kind of waiting and seeing like the rest of us are?

And I hope that things are going well. Haven't seen you in a long while. Not that I blame you at all.

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #13)

Wed May 27, 2015, 03:50 PM

16. I don't know much about O'Malley; but,

 

"Democrats shouldn't be playing to 'special interest group' because the white man is ignored" Webb?

No, thank you!

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #16)

Wed May 27, 2015, 07:45 PM

17. When I look at the board now

He's the VP - for any of the other three. Chafee is a Non starter.

If O'Malkey were to win I would want Clinton as VP. Some damn fool at work wants him to pick Booker - but Booker is being pushed internally by us for Governor.

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #17)

Wed May 27, 2015, 08:18 PM

18. The way I see it, at this point ...

 

looking at the numbers, I have O'Malley as HRC's Number 2.

And though I have donated to Bernie's campaign and have decided to donate to O'Malley's and still won't donate to HRC's ... I still won't be doing any Presidential candidate campaign work until after the Democratic primaries. I'll split my activities between GOTDemocraticV efforts and Kirkpatrick's run against McCain.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #18)

Thu May 28, 2015, 07:45 AM

19. Do you really think she'd pick O'Malley?

He might be too much of a D.C. Outsider for her.


I think he might pick her - but I don't think she'd pick him.

Good question for the HRC group.

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #19)

Thu May 28, 2015, 07:49 AM

20. Yeah ... I do ...

 

I think the biggest draw back is they both made their political bones in the east ... no regional separation.

I don't see a way in hell HRC accepts the number 2 spot ... from anyone!

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Response to Number23 (Reply #7)

Sun May 24, 2015, 04:52 PM

11. That would be amazing!!!

It's so sad that it wouldn't come natural to them to show up...

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Response to Number23 (Reply #7)

Thu May 28, 2015, 10:53 AM

22. That would be awesome.

 

I can picture Sanders or O'Malley out there.
Both have a history suggesting that they would.




Bernie Sanders, member of the steering committee, stands next to George Beadle, University of Chicago president, who is speaking at a Committee On Racial Equality meeting on housing sit-ins. 1962.

Bernie Sanders was a prominent local activist in college, and not much has changed. Bernie Sanders won the first election he ever lost.

It was the late 1950s, and Sanders was still a teenager, running to be class president at James Madison High School in Brooklyn, New York. His platform promised to raise scholarship money for kids in Korea orphaned during the recent war. “It was an unusual thing for a person so young to be involved in,” remembers Larry Sanders, Bernie’s older brother. When the votes were tallied, the future Senator from Vermont fell short, coming in third, but the outcome set a precedent he would love to repeat on the national stage. The winner adopted the Korean scholarship idea and made it happen.

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In Chicago, Sanders threw himself into activism—civil rights, economic justice, volunteering, organizing. “I received more of an education off campus than I did in the classroom,” Sanders says. By his 23rd birthday, Sanders had worked for a meatpackers union, marched for civil rights in Washington D.C., joined the university socialists and been arrested at a civil rights demonstration. He delivered jeremiads to young crowds. The police called him an outside agitator, Sanders said. He was a sloppy student, and the dean asked him to take a year off. He inspired his classmates. “He knows how to talk to people now,” said Robin Kaufman, a student who knew Sanders in 1960s Chicago, “and he knew how to do it then.” He was a radical before it was cool.

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Response to onpatrol98 (Original post)

Sun May 24, 2015, 05:51 AM

8. This is a Sanders supporter

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6707619

If he plays to that - he loses.

That's the perceived "under dog" in this cycle.

Black Americans - we are going to have to settle for the least evil. It would make it much better and more authentic if our liberal and progressive allies would admit - everything of the past 7/8 years gets swept under the rug when Obama leaves office.

We are going to be asked to pretend that all of this hateful hate never happened.

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