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Mon Jun 29, 2015, 09:08 AM

You guys have to see this thread.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251416946#post16

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Reply You guys have to see this thread. (Original post)
azmom Jun 2015 OP
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Response to azmom (Original post)

Mon Jun 29, 2015, 09:42 AM

1. It's the same pandering bullshit

that continues the DU cherry-picking of statements from MLK to promote the "economic justice" argument while dismissing the racial aspect that overlays every fucking aspect of a POC's life.

You can ask Oprah Winfrey about that.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #1)

Mon Jun 29, 2015, 09:46 AM

2. This POC does not see it the same way as you.

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Response to azmom (Reply #2)

Mon Jun 29, 2015, 09:55 AM

3. Then we need to agree to disagree

There are multiple threads in GD: Primaries that are suddenly promoting the same narrative.

A candidate - whether it is O'Malley, Clinton, or Sanders - cannot "phone it in" with some quotes from the past and call it a day. He had every opportunity to make some waves in SC, which is one of the early voting states and one that has a black population of almost 28 %, but he chose to punt.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #3)

Mon Jun 29, 2015, 10:14 AM

4. Yeah, that's not good. Did all of the candidates phone it

In or was it just Sanders? I saw that they all put out statements. Like that's going to make any difference.

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Response to azmom (Reply #4)

Mon Jun 29, 2015, 10:41 AM

5. Ask yourself when the primaries are

All this running around this early is just nonsense. We still have 7 months.

A big difference is that one candidate (O'Malley) was the mayor of a large city that has a 63% black population, so he is aware of the problems and in fact, has been harshly critiqued for even exasperating them while he was mayor.

The other candidate (Clinton) was a First Lady in Little Rock, AR (an obviously "famous" city), which is currently 42% black and they set up shop for 10 years (at least the Foundation) in Harlem (which many thought was ridiculous but it was what it was). She touched base with the black community but the black community does not forget the 2008 primaries - they may "forgive" but not forget.

Sanders was born and raised in NYC, got involved in the Chicago wing of the Civil Rights movement, but then left both cities and has lived in Vermont for the past 47 years. I.e., he basically left his "Civil Rights" era self behind and chose a different path. So now he is trying to begrudgingly pick up where he left off in 1968 and it ain't playing for many of us.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #5)

Mon Jun 29, 2015, 10:46 AM

6. It is still much too early.

I'm still for Bernie, but who knows what could happen.

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Response to azmom (Reply #6)

Mon Jun 29, 2015, 10:57 AM

7. In 1980

I voted for Mondale in the primaries. In 1984, I voted for Jessie Jackson in the primaries. In 1988 I voted for Jessie Jackson again in the primaries. In 1992, I WANTED TO vote for Jerry Brown in the primaries but he didn't last long enough to make it to the PA primary, so I voted for Clinton. In 1996, I refused to vote for Clinton in the primaries and didn't vote for anyone at the top of the ticket. In 2000, I voted for Gore in the primaries. In 2004, I WANTED TO vote for Dennis Kucinich but he didn't last long enough to make it to the PA primary. And in both 2008 and 2012, I voted for Barack Obama in the primaries.

If Bernie is still around in April 2016, I may consider him but at this point, it is too early.

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Response to azmom (Reply #2)

Tue Jun 30, 2015, 07:57 PM

113. of course not

 

jobs are going to take care of everything and, and get the roads paved in gold and and and get A POC a nice house in the 'burbs' that has a neighborhood swimming pool that everyone can visit, except some. Economics just AIN'T the panacea that some are pushing here. Their right to push something so wrong, misleading and distracting. No doubt in my mind now. This POC doesn't see it the same way as you because what you say about economics is what I said above. It's a bullshit panacea, sugar pill that I won't swallow.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #1)

Mon Jun 29, 2015, 05:19 PM

17. Thank you. Have you seen the attacks in the big forums on minority communities?

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Especially black folks, of course, for daring to not bow down to Bernie Sanders and -- GASP!!! -- actually ask questions about the man? Who the FUCK are these people???

They see the polls that show Hillary WIPING THE DAMN FLOOR with Bernie Sanders among minority communities and women so what is their winning tactic on DU? Shit on the few remaining black posters that still post here (unless we're one of the 2-3 that approve of their tactics), keep INSISTING that black folks only support Hillary because of "name recognition" when that's been debunked about a hundred times by now, all while screaming that Bernie is the "perfect" candidate running the "perfect" campaign and because he marched with MLK 55 years ago, that somehow PROVES he cares about black people and our issues in 2015.

I saw that OP yesterday and just rolled my eyes and came back out of the thread. The only thing worse than ignorance is WILLFUL, deliberate ignorance. This place is crawling with it. And I've spoken so many times about how sick I am of numbnuts misappropriating and misusing MLK. If these folks had the numbers and the support in the real world, you could understand why they'd be acting this way but they have neither.

Bernie Sanders better come and do something about his "supporters." They are RUINING him and his chances. I said to Starry Messenger yesterday how can someone with such a socially conscious history have such foul and UNsocially conscious supporters?? There is a huge disconnect somewhere.

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Response to Number23 (Reply #17)

Mon Jun 29, 2015, 05:58 PM

22. There is a large (and growing) number of people on DU with an agenda

and it sure as hell ain't about helping "us".

There were multiple threads posted in General: Primaries basically saying the same thing using MLK to somehow promote that agenda. They cherry-picked out one portion of his many commentaries to fit their narrative. They could have just as easily picked out his growing opposition to the Vietnam War and ignored everything else.

What they don't understand though, is that MLK was a controversial figure within the black community in the '60s. The relationship was as complex as the black community itself, where internally, we have our own "economic classicism" and more notably, "regional" differences, perspectives, and experiences with various manifestations of racism. He found out quick, fast, and in a hurry that what might have worked in Georgia did not go over well in many northern cities (despite his having gone to college in the north).

And today, now that legal segregation has been pretty much eliminated, de facto segregation is alive and well, and it rarely touches on income. All you need when searching for a house in a certain neighborhood, despite all the credentials and income, is to have a name like "LaQuisha", and you might as well hang it up. You' ain't gonna be shown the house (or will be told it's already "under contract" to someone else) in many areas of this country. It's as plain and simple as that.

And that has nothing to do with some lack of "economic justice". It's the reality of dealing with the racial component that overlays every damn thing that we try to do in this society - what we look like, what we name our children, where we went to school, what we eat, what music we listen to, what clothes we wear, how we like to party... They will pick it all apart in a very deliberate effort to exclude someone not like "them".

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #22)

Mon Jun 29, 2015, 06:08 PM

25. Please check out the most recent MLK thread in this forum

http://www.democraticunderground.com/118716251

We've been talking about alot of the same things that you're talking about here. In GD, I have also talked about housing discrimination that black folks still face TODAY in 2015, but it doesn't do any good. We've had a few folks come into this forum lately and try to "school" us on how racism and discrimination works (just take a second and think about that... Boggles the mind, don't it??) and how social justice does or should take a back seat to economic justice. And every last one of them has slinked back out to (hopefully) not be seen here again.

Take a look at the attacks on a black poster in this thread http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251415914

Now, bigtree and I have scrapped before. We've scrapped HARD. But look at how he is being treated in this thread for having the unmitigated gall to DARE to ask that Sanders, a Congressman for 25 years who is now looking to become president, address the issues of all Americans? And it always kills me when his clueless supporters scream "but he marched with MLK!!1" as if that does one damn thing to explain what he will be doing if he becomes president.

I don't know if it's an agenda or privileged ignorance or what. But you're right, whatever it's about, it ain't about helping and supporting us. They couldn't make that more obvious.

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Response to Number23 (Reply #25)

Mon Jun 29, 2015, 07:01 PM

30. Holy crap

What a train wreck that second post is. And attacking President Obama because he hasn't single-handledly eradicated hundreds of years of entrenched racism while in office? I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

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Response to gollygee (Reply #30)

Mon Jun 29, 2015, 07:09 PM

31. That's why so many of us don't even bother. There is no reasoning with people like this

they are the spiting image of their reactive and equally uninformed brethren on the right.

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Response to Number23 (Reply #25)

Mon Jun 29, 2015, 07:36 PM

36. I had finally finished going through the 1st thread

this afternoon and was watching bigtree's thread over the weekend while he tried to reason with folks.

You have this crowd on DU who insists that they "must critique" the President and anyone else they don't like, in any manner that they wish... And anyone calling them out on their going beyond "critique" and into smears and slurs, is telling them to "Sit down, shut up, and eat their peas". Yet when someone calmly and honestly critiques there candidate... OMG it's like someone lit a fire under their asses and they do an Incredible Hulk transformation.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #36)

Mon Jun 29, 2015, 07:56 PM

42. Yep! They Hulk the fuck OUT.

Full "SMMMAAAAASSHHH!!!" mode. The critiques on DU about Bernie have been about his stance on guns, and his lack of discussion on minority issues. Unless I'm missing something, that's pretty much it.

These are two INCREDIBLY valid, reasonable issues. These are not smears. This is not slime. These are two real, legitimate, EXPECTED topics that people should be able to discuss and address.

But somehow, the people who want to post that Obama is trying to kill old people, is a corpo-fascist dictator, forever tout the lie that he called himself a "moderate Republican" when everyone that can read knows that never happened, and who rally behind and cheer posters who say that the 2008 election is the one election in the HISTORY of America they want to see overturned LOSE THEIR SHIT when someone dares to discuss these two legitimate weak spots in Sanders' campaign.

How many times were Obama supporters called "bots" and "cheerleaders" for drooling and fawning ONE FIFTH as much as this crowd does now?

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Response to Number23 (Reply #42)

Mon Jun 29, 2015, 08:19 PM

46. Yup

"Everyone else" is a bot, cheerleader, worshiper, paid shill, pom-pom waver, "those people", etc. It's just sad that DU has been hijacked by extremists... and I maintain a bunch are probably socks from previously banned Firedog Lake-hugging posters (many of whom I had to put on ignore after after 2010 mid-terms)... And it's funny to see my ignore list dwindle as they get outed and ousted. They ran off so many thoughtful posters like grantcart and Frenchiecat. It's just sad.

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Response to Number23 (Reply #42)

Mon Jun 29, 2015, 08:27 PM

49. Their approach makes me distrust Sanders

Seriously. If the election were held today I'd have to hold my nose to vote for him.

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #49)

Mon Jun 29, 2015, 08:41 PM

52. I have truly come to believe that THIS is the one true goal of this group of loud know nothings

Their approach makes me distrust Sanders

I think that's what they want!

JAG, who in their right mind would think that screaming at black people that our concerns are "fake" and "manufactured outrage" would be a winning strategy for a person trying to run for president as the nominee from the DEMOCRATIC PARTY OF THE UNITED STATES??!!! The party that would be NOTHING if not for black people, especially black women????

Particularly after more than a year where the discrimination and oppression that black people STILL FACE has been front and center?

Who in their right mind, what GENUINE supporter would think that this is good for their candidate or for America?

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Response to Number23 (Reply #52)

Mon Jun 29, 2015, 08:46 PM

55. Look down in this thread a bit

Everytime they howl - I'm going to reload at Generation Forward!

Just for the banning of randy I'm feeling the urge! how the hell can you ban him from any group ?

See - I miss all the good shit - and I'm going to miss a lot more - because I trashed the word Sanders today! I'm not here to read negative nonsense.

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Response to Number23 (Reply #52)

Mon Jun 29, 2015, 09:45 PM

62. IDK if they understand what they are doing will discourag people from voting, period:

Diss HRC in worst ways. Present BS only in opposition to other Democrats.*

Make Sanders supporters seem intolerant and negative. Try to label non-Sanders DUers as evil, brainwashed, etc.

Refuse to Ignore HRC!

Ignore O'Malley!

Refuse to respect boundaries on other people.

Insult those who tell them to respect their boundaries.

*Endorsed or welcomed by DNC, CPC, other Democratic organizations. Gets a position of power given to him by the Democratic Party.

Has gone in large part with all MIC funding. Supports Israel. Is against gun control. Says he likes and respects HRC and is a friend.

Recieved funding from HRC. Is getting funding from the DNC. Has a super pac now.

That's why I call him a regular Democrat. Really, it'd be comical if these days weren't so serious.

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Response to freshwest (Reply #62)

Mon Jun 29, 2015, 10:06 PM

64. It's insane. And it's just dumb and pointless. I don't get it.

Refuse to respect boundaries on other people.

THAT'S the bit that pisses me off to no end. And I think that the responses to bigtree's and 1SBM's posts really speak on how bad it is.

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Response to Number23 (Reply #64)

Mon Jun 29, 2015, 10:57 PM

66. That's why I feel some are Libertarians. This was the 2008 behavior of Pauls.

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But to see the way went after bigtree and 1SBM, as if these two posters have no intellect is reminiscent of how Jackson and PBO and other AA's have been treated. Talked over and their words ignored.

The boundary thing - why the panic to convert - and it is with a form of zealotry that I cannot personally separate from Pauls, or and overbearing fundy.

Can't they see how this comes off? Do they even care about anyone else's opinion? Are they scoring points with each other?

I think they do when they trot into safe havens, just like they did the BOG and literally - took a dump on everyone. Then the HRC group, same thing. And with that latest thing going after noire, and dissing JAG who has the patience of a saint.

I was just stunned, I could not believe it. But on occasion I do see posters on my Ignore list when they really show their ass like AJ90 did with bravenak.

They can read, and most have been here a long time and know the rules of groups. But claim they don't, then run to their buds and complain when the door is politely shut in their face when asked to quit. I think they all high five each other, saying 'Showed 'em, huh?'

So it's not just insane and dumb and pointless. It is very much juvenile behavior and turns people off of politics. I bet DU would have much more participation from Democrats if a few controls were put back in place, but they won't be.

I don't refer anyone to DU and these guys would not make it 15 minutes in a precinct meet stamping their feet, calling names and yelling. Showing attitude to everyone else.

Not because Democrats are some kind of authoritarian. It's about boundaries. Respect for the time and effort and good will of others in trying to help others.

And that is what a real democracy is about - so I don't even give some DUers credit for respecting democracy either.

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Response to freshwest (Reply #66)

Tue Jun 30, 2015, 01:34 AM

72. "And with that latest thing going after noire"



Wait... who said/did what to my girl?

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Response to Number23 (Reply #72)

Tue Jun 30, 2015, 02:08 AM

75. Oh, you missed that drama, huh? It was ugly, but here you go:

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EDIT:

You've already seen the thread because you posted on it. Noire was talking about Rachel, the white woman passing as AA to get a scholarship. She was the head of the Spokane NAACP.

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Response to freshwest (Reply #62)

Tue Jun 30, 2015, 03:33 AM

78. That's precisely what I think many of them try doing here.

And who benefits when people are discouraged from voting? Republicans.

Yes, I think some are republican trolls. Or libertarian trolls. Or really really bad democrats, lol.

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Response to Number23 (Reply #52)

Tue Jun 30, 2015, 01:30 AM

71. Someone so self-entitled

They see so space between their own views and absolute truth.

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Response to Number23 (Reply #52)

Tue Jun 30, 2015, 02:00 PM

94. Yes, they are trying to create divisions

Between us. They have always done that. Look at the black race and mexican race. They make us hate each other because we compete for the same jobs, but the people that end up winning are the $$$$$$ people. White people with money. It is to their advantage that our two groups are divided. They do that with all of us. Christians against gays, men against women, atheist against religion.

They don't want us to unite because they don't want non-rich people to have any political power.

They just want to keep raking up the $$$$$$$$$. While we fight against each other.

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Response to Number23 (Reply #17)

Mon Jun 29, 2015, 07:10 PM

32. I still don't really have an answer to that, sadly

"They are RUINING him and his chances. I said to Starry Messenger yesterday how can someone with such a socially conscious history have such foul and UNsocially conscious supporters?? There is a huge disconnect somewhere."

I am going to opine that Bernie's actual professional organizing staff will not act like DUers. I've had several weeks of organizer training in the last couple of years, and it is heavily emphasized that you are not to act like a crazy asshole.

They use those trainings to weed out the potentially abrasive. Soo...maybe these are the folks that didn't make the cut? Usually they get put on tasks like licking envelopes to keep them away from people. That doesn't keep them away from the internet though, sadly.

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Response to Starry Messenger (Reply #32)

Mon Jun 29, 2015, 07:28 PM

35. Why do I get the feeling most of these folks probably couldn't even do that right?

they get put on tasks like licking envelopes to keep them away from people.

I can see their supervisors constantly asking them to please stop licking the table, light fixtures, fellow campaign staff -- everything BUT the damn envelopes they're supposed to be licking.

Because when I see these people acting the way this crowd does, it doesn't instill any confidence in me that they are interested in anything beyond being destructive. And I just don't get it. 1SBM did three threads in GD, one where he listed his questions about Sanders, another where he listed his questions about Clinton and another where he listed his issues about O'Malley. Guess which one of the three was the nastiest, the dumbest and the most telling about the people who claim to be supporters of a particular candidate?

I mentioned in another thread that some of these folks actually seem thrilled with Sanders' very narrow, very limited support and seem to be doing everything in their power to keep it that way. http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6897910 That's really the only explanation for their behavior here, especially the tactic of telling black people that our concerns are "fake" and that Bernie has proven his bona fides because he marked with MLK before most of us were even born.

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Response to Number23 (Reply #35)

Mon Jun 29, 2015, 07:49 PM

37. That happened with Occupy Oakland, too.

The ultra-left were extremely nasty and negative to mainstream folks and wanted it to have a narrow appeal. They isolated themselves and told the community, which included people of color, (at least the people I work with, who have told me what happened to them) to GTFO. I was involved in a march where Occupy and the youth of Oakland marching for jobs almost got into it, because the white anarchists were being so racist and not working with anyone else.

On twitter many of the anarchists said that they specifically did not want Occupy Oakland to be something where families or mainstream political people would feel welcome. They actively resisted making spaces where marginalized groups could feel like their voices were being amplified, and instead emphasized the 99%, which doesn't acknowledge that a percentage of the 99% has been trampled down harder, and should get the first place in line to make sure their voices are heard.

Bernie was endorsed by Occupy, so...I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that many of the same attitudes that were attracted to Occupy have now shifted to Bernie. For some reason that defies all logic, they think that there is some silent majority of cool kids that are going to rise up and eclipse us, the boring and stupid people who already vote, and do some electoral miracle. It's like waiting for the Great Pumpkin, imo.

They exist to be infuriating and to split coalitions. Trying to get them to really "get" what you are trying to say is just like getting gum on your shoe, from my experience. They are very good at twisting what you say and making it sound like you are oppressing them with your oppression. (And you are right about the licking stuff!)

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Response to Starry Messenger (Reply #37)

Mon Jun 29, 2015, 08:10 PM

45. Occupy has got to be one of the left's biggest blunders and disappointments

Good Lord, the POTENTIAL that movement had. And so much of it was wasted because people REFUSE to understand that everyone does not have the same problems and concerns. Even if we are in the same economic group!

On twitter many of the anarchists said that they specifically did not want Occupy Oakland to be something where families or mainstream political people would feel welcome. They actively resisted making spaces where marginalized groups could feel like their voices were being amplified, and instead emphasized the 99%, which doesn't acknowledge that a percentage of the 99% has been trampled down harder, and should get the first place in line to make sure their voices are heard.

Bernie was endorsed by Occupy, so...I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that many of the same attitudes that were attracted to Occupy have now shifted to Bernie. For some reason that defies all logic, they think that there is some silent majority of cool kids that are going to rise up and eclipse us, the boring and stupid people who already vote, and do some electoral miracle. It's like waiting for the Great Pumpkin, imo.


That is so disappointing. But I have to admit, it doesn't surprise me in the least. Except it does make you wonder -- why go through the fucking trouble of STARTING a social movement if you only want to listen to a very narrow demographic? And does the spectacular failure of Occupy not tell them anything???

It doesn't surprise me in the least that the only folks on DU that are even still talking about Occupy and declaring it a "success" despite the fact that everyone else in the world is wondering "what the hell happened?" are in very much the same vein as the people you mention in Occupy Oakland. Clueless (oh my GOD, so clueless) narcissists who talk down to everyone without the slightest realization that not only are they not smart/informed enough to be talking down to ANYONE, they actually don't need to be talking at all and need to be doing some deeeep, INTENSIVE listening instead.

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Response to Number23 (Reply #45)

Mon Jun 29, 2015, 08:35 PM

50. +1000

"Except it does make you wonder -- why go through the fucking trouble of STARTING a social movement if you only want to listen to a very narrow demographic? And does the spectacular failure of Occupy not tell them anything???"

If you ever get an answer to this question, let me know! It's a mystery to everyone else I know too. It's like some spectacular real-life trolling. I was just at a meeting this weekend where people were processing the horrible experiences they'd had, and it was like it had just happened. It just turns people away from activism and alternative movements with potential, like you said. Maybe that's the purpose they serve?

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Response to Number23 (Reply #45)

Tue Jun 30, 2015, 02:04 PM

95. some in the occupy movement do

Know that not bringing in the minority contingency is what made Occupy fail.
I saw an article or a video with one of the main organizers that said that. I'll look for it and post it.

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Response to Starry Messenger (Reply #37)

Tue Jun 30, 2015, 03:49 AM

81. Same with Occupy New Mexico.

It splintered off into so many groups they even had fights over who could post on the Facebook page and started two or three different ones. The most over the top ones who encouraged people to anything violent or illegal, I feel, were fbi or police informants trying to splinter progressives and make them look bad. Very old tactic, still alive today.

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Response to lovemydog (Reply #81)

Tue Jun 30, 2015, 08:51 AM

86. It was nuts, wasn't it?

Same stuff here. There are still a few of them around in the activist scene in Oakland, but most of their activity seems to be a lot of big talk on social media.

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Response to Number23 (Reply #35)

Mon Jun 29, 2015, 07:50 PM

39. I don't know if you saw what happened here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017275352

But this has been the latest tactic to get around the GD: Primaries to continue an attack agenda. I.e., posting (in some cases legitimate) videos with subject lines that are downright divisive and ugly. Nowadays it seems that "everyone" who tries to ask questions of or critique Bernie Sanders is served the "Hillary Puppet" or "Paid Hillary shill" card.

None of this is helpful for someone who is voicing very real concerns of how the capitalistic system here in the U.S. has ebbed and flowed and steamrolled whole segments of this nation. But the subject can only be elucidated but so much and repeated but so many times. I think we all know what's going on but the question is - what are the candidates going to do about it and how and is it even possible given the state of Congress today to get any meaningful legislation through?

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #39)

Mon Jun 29, 2015, 08:56 PM

58. Yes, between that and jumping into groups, they have all the zeal of a Paulite. And some..

Have the same sensitivity and aggressive style. I think many here are sincerely supporting him for office as traditional Democrats.

But I wonder if the Republicans or their media, are promoting Bernie because they want to win the general. I don't have confidence that nothing can upset our getting a win next year. I also understand it affects people's feelings and fears and they are desperate to not have a GOP in office in 2016 as it is a literal death sentence for many. There is a gamble when a party is picking to run in the general.
Some have too much to lose.

But that's NOT the vibe I get from those who say they will NOT vote for the only chance we have to keep a GOP out of the White House, handing them the kind of control they have abused before. And the GOP is much more dangerous force than they have ever been.

I'll vote for any Democrat as I cannot afford not to do so. The people who say they won't vote, and are actively working to get others discouraged and not vote, plainly are willing to consign others to death. That is the bottom line. Allies won't allow that to happen.

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Response to Number23 (Reply #35)

Mon Jun 29, 2015, 08:21 PM

47. . . .

I can see their supervisors constantly asking them to please stop licking the table, light fixtures, fellow campaign staff -- everything BUT the damn envelopes they're supposed to be licking.


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Response to Number23 (Reply #35)

Mon Jun 29, 2015, 09:47 PM

63. You owe me a suit cleaning bill ...

 

I got home and started reading this thread, with beer in hand ...

they get put on tasks like licking envelopes to keep them away from people.

I can see their supervisors constantly asking them to please stop licking the table, light fixtures, fellow campaign staff -- everything BUT the damn envelopes they're supposed to be licking.


I got to this post, just as I was taking a pull ... and lost half the bottle, as I imagined their tantrum over not being allowed their natural right to lick sh!t.

Bernie has proven his bona fides because he marked with MLK before most of us were even born.


Well ... they also cite to his SNCC membership ... conveniently leaving out the part where he "grew frustrated with (picture this ...) their focus on race" (his words).

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #63)

Tue Jun 30, 2015, 12:56 AM

69. Well, I was born and paying attention and it was ALL about race. They should stop denying this!

And carrying on about Wall Street:

IIRC, you posted about Tulsa, it was the 'Black Wall Street,' a community of well-off AA's with everything they needed to live.

And whites bombed the place from the air! Their wealth didn't stop the force of racism!

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #63)

Tue Jun 30, 2015, 01:44 AM

73. You need to hurry up and post your findings from your three OPs. That will make for some very

informative reading.

Well ... they also cite to his SNCC membership ... conveniently leaving out the part where he "grew frustrated with (picture this ...) their focus on race" (his words).

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Response to Number23 (Reply #35)

Tue Jun 30, 2015, 02:16 AM

76. OMG! I'm dying here! ROFLMAO!

they get put on tasks like licking envelopes to keep them away from people.

I can see their supervisors constantly asking them to please stop licking the table, light fixtures, fellow campaign staff -- everything BUT the damn envelopes they're supposed to be licking.

What a wild scene you just painted! The mind boogles! This is the best group in DU!!!

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Response to Number23 (Reply #35)

Tue Jun 30, 2015, 03:46 AM

80. +1 for one of the funniest

things I've ever read here.

'I can see their supervisors constantly asking them to please stop licking the table, light fixtures, fellow campaign staff -- everything BUT the damn envelopes they're supposed to be licking.'

And to Starry Messenger for the great set-up lines that they are the kind of folks who get put on 'envelope licking' duty to keep them away from the more, shall we say, calm folks.

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Response to Number23 (Reply #17)

Tue Jun 30, 2015, 06:19 AM

84. A percentage of the supporters are trolls, I'm convinced

The rest of the unsocially conscious are clueless of PoC's concerns. Say what you will about Secretary Clinton's past relationship with the black community, I'm pretty confident she will patch things up as she rolls towards the primaries. At least she should, IMHO. Senator Sanders could take a page out of her book.

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Response to steve2470 (Reply #84)

Tue Jun 30, 2015, 01:45 PM

93. LOL. Okay

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Response to Number23 (Reply #17)

Tue Jun 30, 2015, 07:51 PM

112. Yep, it's going to get worse

 

haven't you heard???? Jobs are going to solve everything and get a person a nice house in a white neighborhood that has a pool. And the neighbors are going to have a cookout and everything......right????

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #1)

Mon Jun 29, 2015, 06:18 PM

27. Whaddaya mean?

If Oprah isn't cheerleading for "the right candidate" who wants to hear from her?

Heavy, HEAVY and more

All you can do is consider the source. Digging up a dead man, repeatedly, to try to support a live candidate suggests that there aren't any live people in the constituency that are willing to pipe up for said candidate. The more digging up that's happening (replete with thoughtful pictures), the more obvious the tactic becomes.

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Response to MADem (Reply #27)

Mon Jun 29, 2015, 07:20 PM

33. Some

protesteth too much. An honest critique was leveled. Suggestions were made on how the critique could easily be remedied (even if it was a token appearance to be seen with black people in a time of mourning). And all of this was knee-jerk responded to by some DUers as "Wahhhhhh!!! He's not racist!!!11!!1!. Look!!! See!!!! MLK said the EXACT same thing!!11!!111"

They need to understand that the true works and legacy of Dr. Martin Luther King over time has been so distorted, marginalized, trivialized, and canned into a neat soundbite - "I have a Dream!" - that it is almost unrecognizable today. Black people are tired of "dreaming".

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #33)

Mon Jun 29, 2015, 07:50 PM

38. People who have had a fairly high profile in public life say a lot of things.

That gives acolytes or detractors lots of material to draw from to prove or refute points.

And of course, if that's not enough, or it doesn't "fit," people will make up shit and pretend that their heroes said it.

Here's a sample of that:
http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2011/05/anatomy-of-a-fake-quotation/238257/

http://legal-planet.org/2014/01/19/what-martin-luther-king-didnt-say/

FUNNY OR DIE even had some fun with the whole meme of fake MLK quotes:

http://www.funnyordie.com/lists/c348e58522/top-ten-thing-martin-luther-king-jr-never-said?_cc=S_d___&_ccid=a1ln8w.nqqciw


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Response to MADem (Reply #38)

Mon Jun 29, 2015, 08:10 PM

44. I think the epitome of that was displayed here



Carved in stone and just wrong wrong wrong.

I don't even think the fix has even been completed yet. I can't seem to find any updates on the repair (the above inscription was scraped off but not sure where they are with adding the actual quote back in its entirety).

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #44)

Mon Jun 29, 2015, 08:38 PM

51. I loved the idea of of an MLK memorial in DC--I hated the execution of that thing.

It was made in China. I'd rather have seen an American artist's work, preferably someone with a connection to the Civil Rights movement. Whatchagonna do, I guess? They never listen to me, anyway (heh heh)....

I've seen it up close, and it looks like they made it so that, when they take over America, they can do a bit of carving and cutting, and --poof!--they've got a statue of MAO ready to go!!!



I am kidding....but hey, it could happen....!!!



They removed that awful, simplistic and inaccurate "drum major" quote and decided to leave it blank--there was no repair or a replacement quote. They put some rock-formation-ish striations on the surface and left it at that.



http://www.demotix.com/news/2466389/mlk-jr-paraphrased-quote-removed-memorials-stone-hope#media-2466365

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/08/01/controversial-drum-major-paraphrase-removed-from-mlk-memorial/

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Response to MADem (Reply #51)

Mon Jun 29, 2015, 08:51 PM

57. I think the repair is still underway

and they will put the full quote there - the issue was bogged down on how to do it without compromising the structure.

And LOL about Chairman Mao! Similar rolled-up document.



I am looking forward to the completion of this -

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #57)

Mon Jun 29, 2015, 08:56 PM

59. Last I heard Secretary Salazar said it was staying blank. That is what the artist recommended.

That's why they put those striations on the sculpture--the repair cost close to a million bucks.

The quote will be removed by carving striations over the lettering to match the existing marks on the sculpture that represent the tearing of the “Stone of Hope” from the “Mountain of Despair.” The plan to remove, instead of replace, the quote was recommended by Master Lei as the safest way to ensure the structural integrity of the memorial.





http://www.nps.gov/mlkm/learn/news/drum-major-quote-removal-from-mlk-jr-memorial.htm

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Response to MADem (Reply #59)

Mon Jun 29, 2015, 09:00 PM

60. Okay that's what I thought I had seen...

but wasn't sure whether they would make an attempt or not... Thank you!!!

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Response to MADem (Reply #59)

Mon Jun 29, 2015, 11:52 PM

67. Am I the only one who thinks the sculpture itself is ugly?

I think they could have done a lot better.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #67)

Tue Jun 30, 2015, 12:04 AM

68. I thought that it's a cover for a statue of Chairman Mao!

Just get out the chisel, and hack off a little here and a little there, hack off the tie and give the man one of those Mao suits ... and boom--I gotcher fearless leader, right here!!! Long march, anyone??

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Response to MADem (Reply #27)

Tue Jun 30, 2015, 04:26 AM

82. OMG, what a night!

Digging up a dead man, repeatedly, to try to support a live candidate suggests that there aren't any live people in the constituency that are willing to pipe up for said candidate.

That's just sad. But after I read what was posted above about the AAs talking about race too much... I think AAs should decide when enough is enough.

BS is disappointing me now and I'm reeling reading he said that. It shows not walking a mile in the other man's shoes. Race was a factor for AAs in everything about this nation even before it was founded officially.

Yes, tell AAs to STHU. If you don't agree, you must be:

Lumpenproletariat
is a term that was originally coined by Karl Marx to describe the layer of the working class that is unlikely ever to achieve class consciousness and is therefore lost to socially useful production, of no use to the revolutionary struggle, and perhaps even an impediment to the realization of a classless society.[1]

The word is derived from the German word Lumpenproletarier, a word literally meaning "miscreant" as well as "rag". The term proletarian was first defined by Marx and Friedrich Engels in The German Ideology (1845) and later elaborated on in other works by Marx.

The Marxist Internet Archive writes that "this term identifies the class of outcast, degenerated and submerged elements that make up a section of the population of industrial centers" which include...

"beggars, prostitutes, gangsters, racketeers, swindlers, petty criminals, tramps, chronic unemployed or unemployables, persons who have been cast out by industry, and all sorts of declassed, degraded or degenerated elements."[2]


In The Eighteenth Brumaire of Louis Napoleon (1852), Marx gives this description of the lumpenproletariat:

Alongside decayed roués with dubious means of subsistence and of dubious origin, alongside ruined and adventurous offshoots of the bourgeoisie, were vagabonds, discharged soldiers, discharged jailbirds, escaped galley slaves, swindlers, mountebanks, lazzaroni, pickpockets, tricksters, gamblers, maquereaux [pimps], brothel keepers, porters, literati, organ grinders, ragpickers, knife grinders, tinkers, beggars — in short, the whole indefinite, disintegrated mass, thrown hither and thither, which the French call la bohème.[3]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lumpenproletariat

Well, nice to know who should be consigned to the dump. Is it any wonder so many are treated with disdain?

Not exactly an improvement over the idealism of 'All Men Are Created Equal,' huh? Think I'll just pass on that one...

I'm a democratic socialist, but exclusivity of the type preached there (did anyone note all the 'Amens' in the MLK, Jr. thread?) is not better than the American system, with all its faults.

It's also, as cited here in the group, that white privilege and unwillingness to see others as equal that got MLK, Jr. killed. Not just because of human or worker rights, but racism.

I can't imagine how grinding it is to have one's suffering usurped by those who didn't give a damn in the first place.

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Response to freshwest (Reply #82)

Tue Jun 30, 2015, 06:47 AM

85. That post deserves a drum roll! And a bada bing!



I don't t think Senator Sanders needs many in the crew of "explainers" he has picked up here. He says what he means, he means what the says. He has started to adjust his campaign to try to be more sensitive and inclusive. He doesn't need a loyal group of "Don't say that--don't you DARE say that!!!!" fans yelling at/scoffing at/fan-splaining to the segment HE is trying to reach with scolds, put-downs, and "You don't understand"s.

To be instructed that one's own personal experience is not "important" to the "greater goal" of the candidacy of an individual is just--to forgive me having a bit of "pun" -- beyond the pale.

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Response to azmom (Original post)

Mon Jun 29, 2015, 12:40 PM

8. Well ... I'm done.

 

In the wise words of Mama 1SBM ... "when someone tells you who they are and what they think ... Believe them. It is the only way you will be able to get along with them, if you so choose. When you tell someone who you are and what you think, and they don't believe you ... walk away from them ... they are telling you what they think of you ... and you should believe them."

That is exactly what I will be doing from this point forward ... Many here have asked what Black (DUers) people think ... We have told them ... they do not believe us; they choose to believe we do not know our own minds ... so I'm done!

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #8)

Mon Jun 29, 2015, 12:52 PM

9. Agreed


I'm a - when someone shows me who they are - I believe them kind of woman myself.

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #9)

Mon Jun 29, 2015, 01:44 PM

10. And sadly ...

 

Too many here believe they can convince me/others of what I/we should think, while ignoring what I/we have told them. And they seem oblivious to how offensively condescending that is.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #10)

Mon Jun 29, 2015, 01:51 PM

11. Psst - know what I did?

I trashed more key words today. It's the only way to shut out the chants and slogans of a losing proposition.

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #11)

Mon Jun 29, 2015, 02:27 PM

12. But how will I be entertained?

 

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #12)

Mon Jun 29, 2015, 03:18 PM

13. Fair point

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #9)

Mon Jun 29, 2015, 04:48 PM

16. Help me, you are speaking of the Bernie supporters who are using MLK to incorrectly imply

that he, MLK was more about social economic justice than fixing the racial issue first, right?

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Response to randys1 (Reply #16)

Mon Jun 29, 2015, 05:42 PM

20. That, too! n/t

 

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #20)

Mon Jun 29, 2015, 05:55 PM

21. Wait, but... I want to understand what you were talking about, if not that, what.

I have a good friend who goes on about how certain folks misuse MLK all the time, both the left and right do it.

Amens about what?

I will look , dont expect you to do it for me



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Response to randys1 (Reply #21)

Mon Jun 29, 2015, 06:02 PM

24. It is far more general ...

 

I am done entertaining those wanting "honest conversations" and ally seeking, when those requesting them feel compelled to ignore my part of the honest conversation, then accuse me of being divisive because I don't/won't stand down.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #24)

Mon Jun 29, 2015, 06:35 PM

29. Oh, that. I am arguing with a braindead rightwinger elsewhere at the moment, a group of us are

trying to figure out the psychosis and arguing with him is the same as some here.

The simple truth is a large part of the Bernie group on DU are white libertarians who dont give a shit about you.

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Response to randys1 (Reply #29)

Mon Jun 29, 2015, 07:54 PM

41. It's reminiscent of the larouchies....

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Response to randys1 (Reply #29)

Mon Jun 29, 2015, 08:25 PM

48. No, I suspect they care about me ...

 

But only to the degree that I am willing and able to fight the battles of their choosing and at no cost to them.

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #9)

Mon Jun 29, 2015, 05:26 PM

19. I saw that OP when it only had a few posts. Just saw it again. The "Amens" have done it for me

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Response to Number23 (Reply #19)

Mon Jun 29, 2015, 05:58 PM

23. I have been banned from the Bernie group. I have supported Bernie both financially and in his

campaign more so than most of those people have.

I was banned because I wanted them to stop using the phrase "Democrat Senator" which is the Joe McCarthy way, and instead wanted them to say Democratic

so I was banned, to be fair i did ask for it when I was warned...

The Bernie group on DU is nothing like the Bernie group in the real world, I hope

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Response to randys1 (Reply #23)

Mon Jun 29, 2015, 06:15 PM

26. "The Bernie group on DU is nothing like the Bernie group in the real world, I hope"

That is the only thought that has kept me from writing the man off entirely.

His supporters on DU are some of the most paranoid, narcissistic, clueless, dishonest, and narrow minded people on this web site. They have shit on Obama for YEARS, they have shit on the Democratic Party for YEARS and now want to rally the folks that support both to their candidate's side. But only if we don't dare ask anything of man in the process and just "trust" that he knows how to do everything.

And they apparently think that the best way to do that is to misappropriate black heroes (MLK) while shitting on the black community at the same time.

Bernie Sanders is a great guy. He's never said anything I've disagreed with and he speaks to me about ALOT of issues. But for him to stir such fevered stupidity from some of the most hateful people here, it doesn't sit well with me at all.

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Response to Number23 (Reply #26)

Mon Jun 29, 2015, 07:23 PM

34. +1000

Thank you Number23.

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Response to Number23 (Reply #26)

Mon Jun 29, 2015, 07:52 PM

40. ^^^This^^^

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Response to Number23 (Reply #26)

Mon Jun 29, 2015, 07:58 PM

43. ....

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Response to Number23 (Reply #26)

Mon Jun 29, 2015, 08:41 PM

53. In response to this thread

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=417113
I gave $100 to Generation Forward this morning.

I did - I don't even agree with how they presented the ad - but it felt good to stick it to some of these folks without breaking TOS.

Their bullshit walks you know?

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #53)

Tue Jun 30, 2015, 05:23 PM

104. I can't find the post yet, but you said of O'Malley and positions and reciepts. Then gave a list of

what he actually accomplished in his state. I was impressed and understand your support him now. I'll start reading the group.

I planned to vote for BS in the primaries, not disparage other candidates but if the real life crew is anything like online, nothing doing. But the HRC accepted me under those terms, that I'd vote for her if she won the nomination and wanted to learn more about her. She's made a huge difference in the way women and girls are being treated in other countries, and these are POC she's helped.

I have always said, to dismiss 51% of the world's population is not a winning strategy. Which is why the attack on women's rights is occuring to suppress them. Barefoot, pregnant, under the thumb of one boss who one is married to, uneducated and unpaid, paid less.

The GOP is making life choices for women that greatly affect their financial lives and their freedom and role in society, are as bad as taking the right to vote.

Which Texas did by suddenly requiring divorced women who still bore their ex's last name, to prove they were who they were at birth to correct the record. But they had been voting for years. Years of poverty from the causes I listed above kept them out of politics, too.

This is the thing about HRC that some find appealing. Not that she would be POTUS. But that women need to be elevated and that would indeed stop wars, poverty and violence. Because enlightened women don't choose to do these things first, they are more cooperative and less confrontational.

(It's like that pic of Bain I've posted which is interesting to me as it shows a certain level of mental strength she has, but she is against guns:



But there is a disconnect there that is obvious to me. Because the woman who is pregnant is vulnerable, and most women eschew such violence. For me it's funny, but it's not what most women would do.)

A polite person visited the HRC group to advocate for O'M. But that is a violation of boundaries to not go along with the intent of a group. It just seemed surreal. Obviously, the HRC group is about getting her elected.

Just as the BOG is about the Obamas and what he has done. And on and on with all the safe haven groups. Which are not safe havens at all, when you see what has happened to 1SBM.

1SBM posted very early this morning and will come tonight to find a notice in his mailbox, I guess. I hope he doesn't go. He is one of the most openminded and also is involved in his own networking for AAs in his state.

He is the real deal. Which is more than I can about so many others posting online. I just don't believe them anymore.

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Response to freshwest (Reply #104)

Tue Jun 30, 2015, 05:29 PM

105. You tell no lies!

And I live that image - because it's true!

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #105)

Tue Jun 30, 2015, 05:41 PM

106. I know you do! I'm more likely to use that gun. Some have cut on me too long. I got a short fuse now



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Response to Number23 (Reply #26)

Tue Jun 30, 2015, 01:02 AM

70. Amen Sistah.. sing it!

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Response to randys1 (Reply #23)

Mon Jun 29, 2015, 06:27 PM

28. That forum brooks zero dissent--even if the dissent has nothing to do with the candidate.

I gave them links to CNN coverage of the Senator's announcement after they complained that coverage of the Baltimore riots was pre-empting all coverage of Bernie's announcement (not the speech in Burlington, the simple announcement on the air).

But see, that was a Bernie No - NO: I contradicted someone--with facts. That Must Not Stand!!! The boom was sanctimoniously lowered!

There's one host who is rather quick on the trigger to ban people--that host is probably, single-handedly, doing more to shit on Bernie's campaign than a dozen GOP oppo artists might! That poster bans Sanders supporters with abandon, for not being sufficiently devoted.

"Democrat Party" is a REPUBLICAN term. A dirty - tricks Republican term, in fact. It comes out of the Rovian "RAT" (as in rat-f--ker) campaign. The person who banned you was dead wrong, and should be ashamed. You were right.

Although Sanders is not my first choice, I think he's a decent guy. Can't say that for some of his cheerleaders on DU, though.

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Response to MADem (Reply #28)

Mon Jun 29, 2015, 08:43 PM

54. Yet - the AA goupis hostile to non blacks

Did you know that?

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #54)

Mon Jun 29, 2015, 08:49 PM

56. Ha ha ha!!



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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #54)

Mon Jun 29, 2015, 10:34 PM

65. Who said that?

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #65)

Tue Jun 30, 2015, 02:30 AM

77. Apparently a few folks saw fit to "inform" the OP that we were just terrible, awful here

And sooo terribly horrible and terribly terrible and horribly terrible to non-whites. Because as you can see, we are the biggest meanies and spend all of our time giving white people The Hand who try to post here.

Just look at the DOZENS of posters we've blocked from posting here! Peruse all of these threads where we tell white people to shut up or block them from our forum after a single post! We laugh like supervillains when we block people here and try our hardest to do it with them having absolutely NO warning whatsoever, and certainly not after being asked at least a few times to cut the crap.

Won't somebody PLEASE take away our terrible pride and powers???!

Stop us before we kill again!!one1

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #54)

Tue Jun 30, 2015, 09:00 AM

87. Really?

I've never felt any hostility here. In fact, this forum is less hostile than GD, where I usually post, where it's very easy to unintentionally offend people. People complain about "the outrage brigade" but the people who complain about it are also easily outraged. Maybe it's because of how many people post there. There are so many people, someone is bound to be rubbed the wrong way by just about anything.

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #54)

Tue Jun 30, 2015, 03:11 PM

99. YEZ, Y IZ U SO MEEN 2 MEE?



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Response to freshwest (Reply #99)

Tue Jun 30, 2015, 03:32 PM

100. Oh my!

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #100)

Tue Jun 30, 2015, 04:21 PM

101. How'd you like the 'AllAboutMee' cat?

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Response to freshwest (Reply #101)

Tue Jun 30, 2015, 04:36 PM

102. So true and accurate!

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Response to randys1 (Reply #23)

Tue Jun 30, 2015, 11:53 AM

89. That is my assessment too. I've been

Told plenty of times by my family to leave DU, because they don't think it is
Representative of real life.

I'm not sure if this country, with all it's racial divisions, can be united to work together. But, I am hopeful.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #8)

Mon Jun 29, 2015, 03:18 PM

14. it's the same ones who keep doing it also

And will claim to want an honest conversation. The fact this was still done after recent events shows some have no interest in listening.

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Response to JI7 (Reply #14)

Mon Jun 29, 2015, 04:30 PM

15. An honest conversation and ...

 

an alliance of equals ... well, they have NEVER included the "of equals" part. Perhaps, therein lies the problem.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #8)

Mon Jun 29, 2015, 05:24 PM

18. Are you starting to see why you can practically count on two hands the number of black posters in

this joint???

And if these folks had their way, there would be NONE of us here -- except for their Black Friends®.

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Response to Number23 (Reply #18)

Tue Jun 30, 2015, 12:17 PM

90. Very clear and obvious and I guess nobody cares, NOBODY...not here anyway

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Response to Number23 (Reply #18)

Tue Jun 30, 2015, 02:59 PM

98. Not many latinos either. Our forum is dead.

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Response to azmom (Original post)

Mon Jun 29, 2015, 09:39 PM

61. Dear god, it was just reposted in GD. By demand, apparently.

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Response to Sheldon Cooper (Reply #61)

Tue Jun 30, 2015, 04:37 AM

83. And deliberately going against the new rules on electioneering. It won't be locked, because... MLK!

Hiding behind that man... OMG.



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Response to azmom (Original post)

Tue Jun 30, 2015, 01:58 AM

74. If it weren't for my friends here in this group

and other kind souls around this site, I'd be gone. I'm glad we have each other to laugh and express astonishment at ignorant attitudes. I'm sick of MLK being dragged out to bludgeon people over the head with incorrect interpretations of his life and work. 'According to MLK' and some nonsense that all he cared about was economics.

MLK was primarily about race matters. That's the most basic thing about him. MLK 101. Yes, he also embraced a wise understanding of economic matters as well, from a political economy perspective. King cared most deeply about black lives and ending racism. Many here are familiar with his work beyond a Facebook or twitter quote.

It's tough to bother engaging with them because they don't listen. Every time I turn into Fred Sanford clutching his heart - 'Hear that Elizabeth? Oh this is the big one! I'm coming to join ya honey!'

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Response to lovemydog (Reply #74)

Tue Jun 30, 2015, 11:52 AM

88. When I saw that one quote by MLK posted yet again, without context, without anything...

I went looking for that view in his speeches. I didn't go to the socialists party site or the democratic socialist site to find it, I went to the King Center's site where all his speeches are there to read. I spent hours reading them, getting lost in his powerful messages throughout his tragically short lifetime and it is clear his passion was social justice/racial justice NOT advocating for a 'democratic socialist' system of government.

One sentence that may have been said to his staff is suddenly the ONLY important sentence in his life's work to some. It would behoove those with that grossly 'mistaken' view to actually read his speeches but that won't happen because it would be inconvenient to their 'cause', imo.

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Response to Spazito (Reply #88)

Tue Jun 30, 2015, 12:33 PM

91. And here's the thing, most Bernie supporters on DU dont know what he means, anyway.

Democratic socialism is pretty heavy stuff, all of which I approve.

But many Bernie supporters I have seen are only Bernie supporters because they see something in it for them, as in economically.

But the real Bernie, the real MLK, the real Democratic socialism would go further than most of these newbies would be comfortable with because their brains are full of capitalism.

Many here in this thread might also not be for the extremes it would involve, but at least they are not being hypocrites about it.

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Response to randys1 (Reply #91)

Tue Jun 30, 2015, 12:55 PM

92. From my perspective...

quoting MLK to suggest his passion, social/racial justice, was seen through the prism of economic justice is to completely distort his life's work. When I read his life's work, I believe it is the opposite in that his call for economic justice was done through the prism of social/racial justice.

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Response to randys1 (Reply #91)

Tue Jun 30, 2015, 02:07 PM

96. That's what I'm hoping for. Bernie is a real lefty

But he can't be seen like that, cause it would scare off some supporters.

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Response to azmom (Reply #96)

Tue Jun 30, 2015, 05:19 PM

103. That's a cheat

If he's holding things back because he wants to get into office - that's a cheat.

He needs to be fully vetted - I don't like wait and see.

I wouldn't hire ANYONE based on that - and that's essentially what you do when you vote. You make make a decision.

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #103)

Tue Jun 30, 2015, 05:50 PM

107. You know they are all liars.


Some just lie more than others. But, they all lie. It's the definition of politicians.

Anyway, radicals like rapper Killer Mike who just endorsed him., may expose some of Bernie's more lefty tendencies. I know you don't like Cornell West for his attacks of Obama, but that is why he likes Bernie.

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Response to azmom (Reply #107)

Tue Jun 30, 2015, 05:59 PM

108. I have no idea who that is

Am I supposed to relate to him? If he is against Obama - I'm against him.

And no - I don't believe they are all liars.

I'm 98% certain I'm running for Town Council next year - and I'm not telling lies.

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #108)

Tue Jun 30, 2015, 06:09 PM

109. I don't either, he is not mainstream.

I'm just saying, there are radical AA's out there that approve of him.

Bernie's campaign may suck in minority outreach, but I like him.

If you don't, that is fine.

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Response to azmom (Reply #109)

Tue Jun 30, 2015, 06:14 PM

110. After seeing what went down

Here today with 1Strong - we are giving another $100 to generation forward this evening.

Stop the Saint Now!

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #110)

Tue Jun 30, 2015, 06:20 PM

111. DU is fucking racist.

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Response to azmom (Original post)

Tue Jun 30, 2015, 03:37 AM

79. Thank you for this thread. Reading all of your comments makes me feel normal again.

Thanks everybody.

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Response to betsuni (Reply #79)

Tue Jun 30, 2015, 02:08 PM

97. Same here betsuni.

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