Are some of my friends in this forum being targeted by the jury system for what they post here ?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

Let me just say I love them and if they are indeed being targeted I am profoundly upset and saddened. I was under the impression that protected forums were, indeed, protected forums.

[BronxBoy]

1. I was on that jury...

Voted not to hide.

Can members outside this group alert on members? Seems like the person who alerted was doing a bit of stalking

[DemocratSinceBirth]

2. Yes, I haven't seen you in a while...

[JustAnotherGen]

8. Can you post the results?

I'd bet dollars to donuts it was someone who responded on his locked GD thread that alerted on this.

Hmmm - okay - now I wonder who?

Let me guess - the meanest mean girl on the block.

[BronxBoy]

10. Here you go...

JURY RESULTS

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Tue Jun 30, 2015, 12:46 PM, and the Jury voted 5-2 to HIDE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: I will not eat Ham n Rice, no not nice, I will not eat Ham N Rice.
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: This poster has a warped sense of his own importance imho...
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I see my friend is being targeted...I would literally bet my dick that the people who are trying to make him leave Democratic Underground wouldn't have the stuff to make him leave anywhere in real life. LEAVE IT ALONE.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: I agree with the alerter that continuing a locked thread doesn't help and the tone of this is needlessly antagonistic.

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[JustAnotherGen]

11. Man - juror #3 hit it out of the ball bark!

I agree - except I'd bet my vulva!

[freshwest]

19. Did a Juror quote Ted Cruz?

[sheshe2]

76. Sure looks like it, freshwest. n/t

[randys1]

33. Yes, in real life the pukes that do this shit cower in the corner...fuckers.

Is it actualy possible 1strongBM will be banned for saying benign criticisms of Bernie Sanders?

Is that even possible?

I was blocked from the Bernie group for trying to educate them about why you dont use the term Democrat Senator, and the blocking was my request when they threatened me.

This place is really not a place for liberals or democrats, not anymore it seems

But is it true there is ANY chance he will be banned?

I simply cant fucking imagine that

[BainsBane]

48. No, he will not be banned

If they keep at it, he may get a temporary leave, however.

[randys1]

52. I know...what I dont understand, and maybe you have been here long enough to educate me

is why does DU do it differently than anywhere else?

Anywhere else there would be LIBERAL, PRO DEMOCRATIC PARTY people who act as mods and admins who make all of these decisions, why not here?

[BainsBane]

54. A few years ago they turned to this jury system

where majority rules. So basically it's all about what the majority wants, right or wrong. Skinner won't admit it's a problem, but I think many of can see that standards are not consistently applied.

The notion that you can call a Democratic President a piece of shit used car salesman but can't question a candidate's appeal to one's own ethnic group is pretty stunning.

[awoke_in_2003]

178. I served as a mod for three terms

We attracted a good cross section, and actual discussion happened before posts were removed. The jury system is a joke. As a moderator, we had ready access to previous deletions, history, etc. The jury system is a crap shoot, at best.

[Cha]

167. Juror#3 "I see my friend is being targeted...I would literally bet my dick that the people who

are trying to make him leave Democratic Underground wouldn't have the stuff to make him leave anywhere in real life."

Excellent!

[boston bean]

13. Can you post the full alert..

I would like to see the reason the person wrote for alerting.

[BronxBoy]

17. Here you go

On Tue Jun 30, 2015, 12:38 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

I have seen the light! ...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/118716670

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

After getting his call-out flame bait thread in GDP properly locked, the OP comes to a protected group to continue the fight. Here, where response cannot be made. He is flame baiting and forum shopping. This behavior makes DU suck. He could simply post his point in GDP without calling out the Bernie Group. Continuing jury hidden threads in a protected group is wrong.

JURY RESULTS

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Tue Jun 30, 2015, 12:46 PM, and the Jury voted 5-2 to HIDE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: I will not eat Ham n Rice, no not nice, I will not eat Ham N Rice.
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: This poster has a warped sense of his own importance imho...
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I see my friend is being targeted...I would literally bet my dick that the people who are trying to make him leave Democratic Underground wouldn't have the stuff to make him leave anywhere in real life. LEAVE IT ALONE.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: I agree with the alerter that continuing a locked thread doesn't help and the tone of this is needlessly antagonistic.

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[JustAnotherGen]

20. No subject

After getting his call-out flame bait thread in GDP properly locked, the OP comes to a protected group to continue the fight. Here, where response cannot be made. He is flame baiting and forum shopping. This behavior makes DU suck. He could simply post his point in GDP without calling out the Bernie Group. Continuing jury hidden threads in a protected group is wrong

.

Bull shit - Forum shopping? Protected group?

I'd bet the alerter has never posted a single word here.

Whereas 1strong is a group member in good standing.

That alerter needs to keep their ass in the Bernie group and not stick their nose in here. Mind your own god damned business!

I have the Bernie group trashed and the same with the keyword Sanders. I don't want to read anything about him. He's not getting the nomination, he won't be selected as O'Malley or Clinton's VP so he's not relevant to me.

[Number23]

26. "I'd bet the alerter has never posted a single word here."

Oh, I'd take that bet, JAG. I'd take that bet big time.

Because it wouldn't surprise me in the least if the person who alerted posted here quite a bit. Or used to.

[JustAnotherGen]

34. I got a different idea

Look to the Group Hosts of another group.

It lies within group hosts!

[gollygee]

129. It sounds like they're saying they can't respond here

which would lead me to believe it's someone who got blocked from this group.

[yardwork]

138. That's how I read it too.

Bullshit alert. Both of them.

This kind of behavior reflects badly on their candidate.

[Number23]

139. You may be right. I hadn't looked at it that way.

Considering we've got a whopping FIVE DUers on our block list (and that was only after multiple requests to cut the shit that went ignored), it won't be hard to figure out who did what.

[Quayblue]

175. l'm gonna do the same

I no longer have an ignore list because I like to be aware of agendas. But if these supporters are gonna do shit like this, I no longer have interests in learning about him. This is by far, some of the pettiest shit I have seen in all my years of foruming. Smdh

[BainsBane]

51. Man, there is a certain group

That continually posts call out threads of a certain feminist group, and rarely if ever gets hides as a result. Very selective application of standards.

[Number23]

30. Besides the studid assed alerter, we also have an equally stupid assed juror who is alluding

that 1SBM is banned poster HamdenRice. That was the point of the "I will not eat Ham n Rice" BS.

HamdenRice was a black poster banned from DU years ago. He has gone on to Daily Kos where, at least for a while there, his posts were some of the most highly recommended ones there. I don't know if he's still on Daily Kos because I don't read Kos and I haven't made an effort to keep up with Hamden.

But why would somebody doing fairly well on Kos come back to the kiddie pool that is DU? DU probably doesn't have 1/5 the name recognition or even the participation that Kos does and it's scraping the barrel in terms of quality of posts and posters, as the Greatest Page proves every fucking day. Even Jezebel, which is a fairly small and niche member of the Gawker Media family, has individual posts that REGULARLY get 2-3 times the number of recs than posts sitting proudly on the top of the Greatest Page at DU.

DU is small potatoes and grows more irrelevant by the day. Not only am I 100% sure that 1SBM is not Hamden Rice, I'd bet $5 that Hamden Rice isn't here even in zombie form and probably hasn't given DU another thought in years. He's like a lot of black posters that way.

[Lisa D]

58. I wondered what that infantile rhyme was about.

Ridiculous alert and even more ridiculous jury result

[DemocratSinceBirth]

60. They don't like ISBM because he's that one in ten thousand

I would post the video but I don't want a hide.

[freshwest]

157. The majority of DUers (including me) couldn't hold a candle to him. He is a success like some here

in the AA group, in real life, far beyond what many can imagine. He knows exactly what he is talking about and tried patiently to educate the yahoos, but:

The tyranny of the ignoramuses is insurmountable and assured for all time.

~ Albert Einstein

It's why they hate Obama, too:

[randys1]

61. Interesting backstory, so basically lots of white folks who are afraid of the handful of Black

folks here and certainly unable to compete with them.

got it

[Number23]

67. HamdenRice was accused of being a homophobe and got alot of people pissed off at him

I would suggest that folks do a reading of his writings on DU2 and see if they agree with that assertion.

There is a shit load of backstory, and I won't go into much of it here. Suffice it to say that there was a period after Prop 8 was passed that this board was absolutely BLANKETED with alot of racist crap. Not just at black folks who voted for Prop 8, black folks in GENERAL and alot of it was aimed at President Obama. All 30 million of us were responsible for a vote in California. Even after it turned out that black folks were no more responsible for Prop 8 than any other group, we caught HELL here. And half this board called out the racism that came from certain quarters here. Hamden was one of them though there were times when he really just needed to shut the fuck up.

If you're really interested, you can do a DU search on Prop 8 from 2008. It was beyond ugly. Most of the folks that participated in this stuff are long gone but the bad blood (obviously) still remains. Obviously, Juror #2 remembers and is trying to stir it all back up again. He's not alone. Another person that was involved in all of that "slithered" up to me just a few weeks ago, busting at the seams to bring all that shit back up again. To say that these people are pathetic would be an understatement. If your life is so empty that you live to bring back 7 year old drama from a fucking message board, then God help you and the Lord save you.

[freshwest]

152. I wasn't here, but remember those assertions made online. Mormons seemed to have had more

to do with it than any other group and many have since apologized publicly for their role in it. There were religious reasons given, but it was more likely it was standard GOP who voted the most.

[betsuni]

80. I saw the HamdenRice accusation when a Discussionist thread was linked from somewhere on DU.

"Can we talk about DU folks here" -- they're obsessed with socks and zombies and think that black DUers aren't black. Obsessed with DU. Gives me the creeps. A lot of things are giving me the creeps lately.

[Number23]

141. "they're obsessed with socks and zombies and think that black DUers aren't black"

Oh, I don't doubt that for a second. We are some of the smartest, most well traveled and intelligent posters here. For some people who've grown up thinking that every body black is half-literate, poor and a crack head, we shatter every myth they've had created in their heads of how a black person thinks, acts and operates.

And considering that many of these people would have to do a George Costanza and HUNT black folks that passed them on the street down so that they could pretend that they have black friends, it doesn't surprise me in the LEAST that they don't know what to do with us. We should all take their BS and their "questioning" whether or not we're black as the compliment that it is. I certainly do.

[betsuni]

142. I usually hate it when people say "you're just jealous," but in the case of these guys,

they HAVE to be envious and threatened on some level (bubbling beneath the enormous ego) to get so worked up and spend so much time and effort trying to eliminate the perceived competition. You're right, I forgot that they don't think it's possible for a black person or a woman to be smarter than they are. I was just thinking about Seinfeld because this popped into my head: These libertarians are making me thirsty.

[freshwest]

153. CC is just as obsessed, and I was on a Jury that a member referred to a forum there.

So I think we are being baited in a lot of things here.

[betsuni]

172. I went over to CC (only second time to do so) and saw this about 1SBM:

"DUmp locks up Black Man, Oppression and Resistance to Follow!" Well, the people over there are stupid and hateful. The tone is extremely familiar though. I tried to read the thread in GD, "A Letter to My Sublime Allies on the US Left," but it's the same tone. It nauseates me, can't do it.

[yardwork]

176. I believe that there are CC trolls here.

The trolls pretend to be minorities. Look for the posters who strongly identify as being part of a minority group, whose posts often complain about other DUers, often other minorities. They are CC trolls imo.

They may be paid by hate groups to put minorities against one another. That seems to be their goal.

[freshwest]

180. I've found their utter cluelessness outs them quickly. That and the attacks are GOP boilerplate. n/t

[Hekate]

134. Thanks for filling us in, Number23

Good grief

[freshwest]

158. ^^^This^^^

[Cha]

169. Juror#1 "I will not eat Ham n Rice, no not nice, I will not eat Ham N Rice." yeah, that was stupid.

Like to see that anonymous internet juror say it to 1Strong's face in real life.

[awoke_in_2003]

177. Yes, unfortunately, they can

A certain group likes to alert on posts in Atheists and Agnostics, too. I think groups that are safe havens, like here and there, should be safe from outside alerts. Of course, I don't know how you can mark people as members of a group. I don't think it's technically possible.

[Starry Messenger]

3. I agree with you.

Unfortunately safe haven groups get juried by the entire DU membership just like the open forums. There has been a lot of heightened scrutiny in here, I take it.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

4. This is the only protected group I post in...

I trashed General Discussion/Primaries the very day it was opened. Internecine warfare isn't my cup of tea though I do question how truly internecine it is if you get my drift.

[Starry Messenger]

5. I host in a few.

I trashed GDP too. The Manichean viewpoint seems too baked in to find any entry point for real discussion there.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

6. Reminds me of the Biblical admonition

"Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?

We deride fundamentalists and dismiss them as delusional when we have many fundamentalists of our own, albeit in another direction.

[freshwest]

160. Yes, to all of that. I always think of this:

It's a saint & devil world for them. No gray areas. Life isn't like that.

[Number23]

25. "There has been a lot of heightened scrutiny in here, I take it."

And not for the first time, either.

[SusanCalvin]

155. "safe haven groups get juried by the entire DU membership just like the open forums."

I did not realize that. That does not seem right.

[JustAnotherGen]

7. What post? Send me a PM?

I may have to do a tacked thread - and I'm thinking the Group Hosts should update or start a new 'About this forum' thread so you guys have quick visibility to who we are.

[Spazito]

9. There seems to be a heightened sensitivity among some when valid questions are asked...

about their candidate in GD . It could be a confidence problem on their part as to the viability of their candidate and the inability to answer reasonable questions, imo.

[JustAnotherGen]

12. And in GD Primaries

That's why I've got a person's last name in the trash bin.

You can't ask a simple question without invoking a temper tantrum.

[Spazito]

14. Exactly...

An aside, when I type in GD Primaries as GDcolonP it becomes GD (a glitch) which makes me laugh as it is the perfect smilie to describe it. I am going to use with pleasure until the glitch is fixed, lol.

[JustAnotherGen]

15. Ha! n/t

[boston bean]

16. I wish they would unflag him. nt

[freshwest]

18. FLAGGED FOR REVIEW - 1StrongBlackMan.

Profile information

About 1StrongBlackMan

Statistics and Information

Account status: Flagged for review

Member since: Tue Jul 5, 2011, 07:42 PM

Number of posts: 20,711
Number of posts, last 90 days: 2378

Favorite forum: General
Discussion, 1798 posts in the last 90 days (76% of total posts)

Favorite group: African American, 215 posts in the last 90 days (9% of total posts)

Last post: Tue Jun 30, 2015, 05:45 AM

Jury

Willing to serve on Juries: Yes
Eligible to serve on Juries: Yes
Chance of serving on Juries: 0% (explain)

His transparency page is empty. But he's been flagged which means he is being considered for banning and he is unable to be on a jury.

He had a post in AA hidden, that I just heard about a few minutes ago, and now this. Skinner has never overturned a Jury ruling, and people can be alerted on in safe havens.

Why was that post considered to be bad for ALL of DU?

[JustAnotherGen]

21. I suspect the answer to your last sentence

Lies within the Sanders group.

[SusanCalvin]

159. Apparently some are perceived to be giving the group a bad name?

I'm not too good at following persons (somewhere on the autism spectrum, marginally, I have always suspected), but I am sorry to hear this and would appreciate more information.

[seaglass]

22. I truly do not believe he is being considered for banning. I believe flagged for review happens

automatically when more than one post is hidden on the same day.

[Agschmid]

91. Yup.

He will be back.

[Starry Messenger]

23. seaglass is right.

I was in DU jail over Xmas last year. It sucks though. Hopefully the admins will go and unflag 1SB soon.

[randys1]

29. If he is banned, i will be out of here so fucking fast you wont believe it

Looks inevitable, I need to find a new place to post

If dozens of racists and Democratic party HATERS are allowed to stay here and this person has to go

big time fuck it

big time

[freshwest]

32. The other two posters say it is a system thing? So likely won't be banned.

But he may blow the place off, as he said last night he wasn't going to attempt to educate people here anymore. That'd be a major loss to DU and will lessen this place.

[freshwest]

162. I read on one thread a poster said about those Reccing it:

'You're either with us, or we will make sure it is unpleasant for you to not be.

Either way, the people who agree with that column aren't in for a good time.'

That just gives the chllls, just as it was expected to be. IDK what is going on with some of these commentators that they are so extremely hostile. Nothing is to be questioned. Nothing.

Now perhaps 1SBM was harsh, but you'd have to take the total picture into account. He asked a fair question about those who are not Democrats running in our primary. I had an answer to that but go busy.

I think I could have answered it in a way that wouldn't offend anyone, even justified it, but I wasn't given a chance with the post being hidden like that.

[marble falls]

174. I got this PM from someone I didn't even alert on:

"EEO
Mr. Troll

Mail Message
You may have had one of my posts hidden, but that was only because I didn't make my case against you and how many posts you have basically posted the same comment on. You won't be receiving that kindness in the future. Good day to you. "


I've alerted four times in three years and two of those were 7-0 on spam.

There's a lot of intimidation here.

[freshwest]

164. Sure feels that way, huh? It seemed one Juror thought 1SBM was 'uppity.' All I can say is:

[Agschmid]

90. He will be back, it's just two hides in quick succession.

Could happen to anyone.

[JustAnotherGen]

24. And another thing

It's Very Tellling that the person who alerted didn't send a pm to a group host asking us to lock it.

They KNOW he's a member in good standing and they also know he's a regular contributor. This is HIS safe haven.

It was deliberate and done with malicious intent.

And the person who did it - just wanted to shut up a black man.

Yeah - I went there.

There's that.

Eta - this is what I'm giving a side eye at
/revision/latest?cb=20140611180116

[freshwest]

163. That juror talking about 1SBM so personally... It said to me 'he's uppity.' n/t

[Cha]

185. When you say "side eye.." I think of the Queen of the side eye, First Lady, Michelle Obama..

http://www.lipstickalley.com/showthread.php/371966-Michelle-Obama-The-Queen-of-the-Side-Eye

Gen

[Cleita]

27. Apparently anyone can alert in the protected forums.

I was alerted on in the Bernie forum about something Hillary.

[randys1]

28. Wow, so in this group an outsider managed 5 hide votes from 5 well, i cant say what to call them

because then I will get a hide...but from 5 people who likely dont even post in this group

The jury system is beyond stupid - if this doesnt prove that, then nothing will.

[JustAnotherGen]

96. If you were a group host - would you block? Yes or No?

[randys1]

103. I would block someone who repeatedly calls an AfAm a racist, that is for GOD DAMN sure

[leveymg]

31. I wouldn't have voted to hide that post, but it does perpetuate the meme that Bernie isn't concerned

enough about African-Americans, which is pure BS and political character assassination of the lowest kind. The post was also snide as hell.

So, I do understand why the post would piss a lot of people at DU. Here's the post that was locked up:

I have seen the light! ... [View all]
Bernie is the bestest candidate ever and Bernie supporter only have my best interests, as a Black man, at heart.

What was I thinking being concerned that he seemingly prioritizes economic justice over social justice ... after all, he marched with MLK and was a member of SNCC 50 years before it was cool ... and so did Martin, and Malcolm would have, but he must have missed his flight. http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026887515

Lord knows, why I, or anyone, would be concerned that Bernie is not registered as a Democrat ... that's only a requirement to get on the N.H. primary ballot ... I'm sure it was an oversight by some low-level, former campaign functionary (probably a HRC mole) ... besides, republicans and Democrats will over look the oversight because he represents the 99%. http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251417576 (well ... you can't see the post because it was hidden by our amazing jury system)

I have seen the light!

A Jury voted 5-2 to hide this post on Tue Jun 30, 2015, 08:46 AM. Reason: This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate. When the original post in a discussion thread is hidden by Jury decision, the entire discussion thread is automatically locked so new replies cannot be posted. Hide post

[randys1]

36. So an African American says to white people that a particular white candidate is not

addressing his needs and the reaction is to silence him

this INFURIATES ME

No Bernie Sanders supporter would EVER do that.EVER

Bernie himself would NEVER do that NEVER

FUCK THIS

These are not liberals, they are spoiled, white libertarians...that is who they are

[JustAnotherGen]

37. That's exactly what happened

Someone ought to print off some of the vitriol and send it to the guy's campaign manager.

[randys1]

38. Unlike most of the crybabies here I actually work for his campaign, going to do just

that.

They got a real laugh when I told them I was banned from his group here.

Probably the ONLY REAL Democratic Socialist or one of a VERY few on this site and they banned me

Problem is the highest up I can go is my local campaign people and they are a long ways from Bernie

Bernie needs to know how badly his name is being damaged here at DU

[JustAnotherGen]

40. Send him a letter

Hand written with your precinct info on it on the envelope.

[randys1]

42. I will have plenty of time, right now in this thread one of them is working to silence me next

so was nice knowing you

see ya

(unFUCKINGbelievable)

the founder of this site simply cant allow this to continue

[Agschmid]

97. Same.

It was a chuckle.

[yardwork]

140. I suspect that some of the so-called supporters are trolls.

I remember this behavior in the 2008 primaries. Some of the supposed Obama supporters were so mean, i believe they were really right wing trolls.

[MADem]

187. DU won't make a difference in his campaign.

Every campaign has jerks. Every single one--left, right, and center. Good candidates have jerks, bad candidates have jerks, and middling candidates have them, too.

It's unfortunate that some of them come out to play here. It's also unfortunate that trolls and assholes use election season as an opportunity to get their sad little jollies--I've no doubt we're seeing some of that, too.

I would hope that "higher ups" in the Sanders campaign ignore this website entirely. I'd advise it, certainly. Why? Plausible deniability. This place is an EMBARRASSMENT in many regards. I wouldn't send a soul here in an official capacity, because the site is overrun with toxic individuals -- and it's not at all hard to spot them -- who clearly don't have the Senator's best interests at heart. It's like they hear him say he wants to talk about issues and not attack people, and they deliberately, with knowledge, with intent, and with glee, do the exact opposite. No one in Sanders' campaign is going to "fix" that here--why? Because the people doing all the ugly shit aren't supporting the candidate they're pretending to support. All the exhortation in the world won't do any good. No one on the BS team can make this right--the best bet is to ignore this tiny corner of the world and keep working the issues.

The job of the people who are clearly disrupting this website with nasty, ugly, emotion-laden comments is to spread FUD, and anyone who takes their rancid bait is being gamed. I think the best bet is to deny them the oxygen that they so desperately seek.

I wonder how they'd handle it if, instead of arguing with them, that people who disagreed with them simply responded with an indulgent smilie.

, say, and nothing more.

It would probably irritate the hell out of them!

Arguing with a troll is like wrestling with a pig. You're only going to get filthy, and the pig likes it.

Every Sanders supporter I've met IRL is a good person. Can't say the same for DU, so what does that tell us? I'm guessing the enthused supporters are out there in the real world doing some actual supporting...but some of the people here (not all, certainly--but some) have a different agenda in mind.

A shame you got banned from the group, there--but just as well. Gives you more time to be productive, with people who matter.

[leveymg]

39. It's an organized meme -- character assassination -- that's what pisses people off.

The Meme is "Bernie doesn't care enough about African-Americans." Just another form of divisive, racial politics. Right out of Lee Atwater's playbook.

Some people don't tolerate that so well at DU.

[randys1]

41. So African American voters are "memes" now, got it...dont worry, i wont keep

arguing with you, dont want to be silenced

OH, and you are accusing 1strong of organizing an attack on Bernie


dear god if you only knew how stupid that is

oops, there goes me

silenced I will be

[leveymg]

45. The message "Bernie doesn't care enough" is a meme. Some memes are so malignant

that they get people banned here. You know exactly what I mean.

The poster was part of a relatively small group of anti-Sanders posters who have spread the meme. It's not 1strong's meme - he didn't start it, but he did perpetuate it.

As I said, I wouldn't have voted to block that post. But, that's just the liberal in me.

[randys1]

47. Bullshit, there is no meme, there are BLACK people who are not sure about Bernie

dear god, you really dont know the difference, do you

[leveymg]

55. It's a racially divisive meme, which makes it particularly poisonous,

right out of Lee Atwater's playbook. I know a meme when I see one. This one really stinks.

[randys1]

56. So 1strongBM is a racist...got it.

is this conversation actually happening on DU

please tell me it isnt

Is anybody else reading this or am I the only one here

[leveymg]

66. This is actually a very old racial wedge issue meme that goes back to the 1960s

I remember it being used to divide and sequester the McCarthy and RFK wings of the Democratic Party. There's nothing new under the sun.

[randys1]

85. Called him a racist a 2nd time

[Cha]

186. You can accuse the African American Community's right to question BS of being a "meme" but it

only reflects badly on the sanders' campaign.

He himself has said he needs to pay more attention to that.

[JustAnotherGen]

59. You really just compared 1strongblackman

To Lee Atwater?

[randys1]

63. He sure did.

He sure FUCKING did

[JustAnotherGen]

74. Aaaaannnnd I just got bother pm

*smdh*. Two - one from another member in time out and Another pointing out the Atwater comment.

[leveymg]

68. The meme that Bernie isn't concerned about AAs is is right out of Lee Atwater's playbook.

If 1strongblackman perpetuates it, he's falling into one of Atwater's tactics. It's the old "your candidate doesn't care enough about people like us," fill in the racial, religious or ethnic group, regardless of the candidate's actual record. It used to be called a smear. It's not new.

[JustAnotherGen]

72. Well I agree with 1Strong

Fully.

Atwater was a foaming at the mouth racist.

I've now received three pm's pointing out that you called a regular member here a racist.

All three post in here regularly.

You had maybe five or six posts in the past year.

Who - I'm Group Host - who am I supposed to believe.

You do realize that you are being disruptive don't you?

ETA - he's up to 25 recs now - he had only one when I posted this:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/118716684

We KNOW who are allies are.

[tishaLA]

73. Not only called a regular member a racist,

but equated legitimate concerns about a candidate with a lunatic who used race and racial stereotypes in the most cynical, craven way.

[JustAnotherGen]

92. There's that too . . .

*sigh*

I want that poster to go away. We don't block in general.

But that was low.

[Agschmid]

112. It was OTT.

[leveymg]

83. This isn't really about 1Strong, as far as I'm concerned.

It's about the meme. This thread is thick with speculation that somehow there's some sort of conspiracy to get 1Strong or against members of this group. The point needs to be made that his post was hidden because it contains a meme that is found to be particularly obnoxious by many at DU.

The point certainly is not to disrupt this group or to accuse 1Strong of being a racist. That's not what I said. I just want people to think about what 1Strong wrote, and please consider why it was viewed as offensive.

[JustAnotherGen]

86. Stop - full stop

We are not little negroes who need to be guided by you!

You have disrupted this group - and it IS about 1strong. This entire thread.

See he didn't March once upon a time - he does stuff for this community now!

As I do.

You know what? You don't belong in the group. Go to the Sanders group and make that accusation. You will be applauded.

[Spazito]

89. Gosh, how brave of you to accuse 1SBM of using Atwater tactics when you know full well....

he cannot respond.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

102. I can't wait for the Nevada caucus and the South Carolina primary

That's where we will learn what our Latino and African American friends really think.

[Spazito]

114. I wonder if Senator Sanders will repeat his advice that black Americans to "stop voting...

based on race" and how Democrats need to "regain the working class vote". ? If he believes it, he should say it to everyone who comes to hear him speak, imo.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

115. I have nothing against Senator Sanders...

I have nothing against Senator Sanders but the suggestion that Joe The Plumber will ever vote Democratic is fanciful and the suggestion we should kiss his ass to do so is offensive.

[Spazito]

118. Senator Sanders is okay but I do think his comments were tone-deaf, to put it politely...

and, due to 'supporters' like the poster who attacked 1SBM, I am having an increasingly difficult time not transferring my feelings of disgust onto their candidate. I'm still trying, but, DAMN.

[Number23]

143. NO ONE CARES if the disaffected white libertarians consider this topic "obnoxious"

NO ONE GIVES A SHIT. You guys can pretend that you own this entire web site, every single thread on the front page of DU can be "Bernie!! Bernie!! BERNIE!!" and you guys can twitter and giggle like you own something and NO ONE IN THIS FORUM WILL GIVE A SHIT.

But you do NOT have the right to dictate to us what we can and cannot discuss in the forum that was created for us to discuss our issues. This is not the same as some political forum dedicated to some politician. This is the fucking AA forum and we will talk about whatever we damn well please.

As long as there are no personal insults towards other DUers, threats to government agencies or really Over the Top stuff, NOTHING in here should be getting hidden and especially not a black member having the nerve to talk about how somebody that wants to be president appears to black voters.

[Major Nikon]

78. Results...

On Tue Jun 30, 2015, 06:36 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

The meme that Bernie isn't concerned about AAs is is right out of Lee Atwater's playbook.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1187&pid=16797

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Comparing 1strongblackman to lee Atwater is disgusting.



You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Tue Jun 30, 2015, 06:45 PM, and the Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Agreed.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I agree 100 percent with the poster (Leveymg) This thing about Bernie/Blacks has Atwater written all over it. Bluejazz
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: He is comparing tactics.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Poster is clearly talking about tactics in strategy, not a personal attack.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: The lengths people go through to be outraged on behalf of someone else is amazing
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given

[tishaLA]

79. Un. Fucking. Believable. nt

[randys1]

87. Yep, conflating a Black member of DU with Atwater is OK here...

wow, speechless

[JustAnotherGen]

93. That's the second one

[DemocratSinceBirth]

120. May I ask how you voted, Major?

Usually these re-posts come with a "I was Juror, fill in the blank."


Thank you in advance.

[JustAnotherGen]

108. Please delete all of your posts on this thread

Im asking as a Group Host. Just do it - so I can get in the spa tub with a glass of wine and go to bed.

[bravenak]

126. You might have to block. If no deletes happen soon, I vote block.

[JustAnotherGen]

127. I'll be up at 4:00 am

If they aren't deleted at that time -I'll block when I get up.

[bravenak]

128. Good. This is unacceptable.nt

[Number23]

144. Hopefully he will stay out forever. But I would be okay with a block either way.

[JustAnotherGen]

145. I put in the block

[Number23]

150. I'm sorry sweetie. Between the posts and PMs and how pissed off I am right now

I'm just trying to keep up.

I got the notice about the ban. That's fine with me. Yet ANOTHER Sanders supporters will be added to the Blocked list for the African American forum due to idiotic and needless disruption. Do I detect a pattern here???

[Starry Messenger]

133. Oh, you posted that *in here*?

The only meme standing in this narrative is that someone is saying that Bernie doesn't care about Black people. That is what some people twisted out of people's expressed concerns that his campaign appeared to have a narrow focus and that he needs to start being more racially inclusive in his campaign talks.

That people are willfully misunderstanding that and now doubling down with some Lee Atwater bs is not at all cool. More I could say on this topic, but I don't want this to get alerted on.

[BainsBane]

165. It's astounding

Insisting that his concerns about candidates addressing his community is a Lee Atwater tactic.
Are they going to go door knocking in black neighborhoods and make that same argument? Do they think it will actually be effective? I find all of this stunning. How dare a citizen question someone running for office? As you noted, I could say a lot more, but honesty is not allowed.

[Cha]

166. The first one who brings up "lee atwater" to dismiss African Americans Concerns, Loses.

You're the one who's trying to "Smear".. Big Fail.

[bettyellen]

181. And they are bringing up Atwater in the thread congratulating Bernie for having gained AA support...

Damned if it isn't the most tone deaf thread I have ever seen. Explains how it is demeaning to "single out" AAs for special attention. It's ugly.

[Cha]

182. I"m sure it is.. and they are so wrong. So very very wrong.

[LanternWaste]

202. Were your premise valid, we'd see objective and supporting evidence rather than simple allegations

A meme also used is the pretense that actual concern about a candidate's position for POC is "right out of Lee Atwater's playbook." Were your premise valid, we'd see objective and supporting evidence rather than simple allegations. That's not new, either.

[Spazito]

77. Something stinks, that's for sure....

and that is your post. It is beyond disgusting. I'm appalled but not at all surprised.

[Cha]

171. what do you think of your ridiculously divisive "meme"..comparing 1Strong to lee fooking atwater?

Black Americans asking questions about Bernie sanders' priorities is not a "meme" as you so ignorantly put it.

[JustAnotherGen]

44. Welcome to being black in America

You get murdered and you are the criminal - not the cop or the Zimpig that did it.

if you are a black President - they go after your mother.

[randys1]

50. Wait, that is just a meme...nothing you say is true, just meme

[gollygee]

130. It's not an organized meme. It's a concern.

And you can't just dismiss the concern by calling it a meme. I like Sanders too, but this issue is going to cost him the election. He won't win the primary and it will be because he hasn't listened to people of color (or women for that matter) and talked about their issues more. Discussing that problem isn't a meme, and it isn't intending to be divisive. It's a real concern. It's my concern because I think Sanders would kick some serious ass in the presidency, and I want to see him get all the votes he can get. He's missing out on too many right now.

[Cha]

184. Bernie has said himsefl he needs to pay more attention to that.. so your so-called "meme" talk

is a bucket with a million holes in it.

[yardwork]

135. I agree with you. That is b.s. This is a protected group.

This makes me angry.

[tishaLA]

43. The idea that people are voting to hide posts simply because they disagree with them

INFURIATES THE FUCK OUT OF ME. And even more so when it concerns an African American who dares to criticize a candidate for not (in his opinion) addressing issues important to African Americans.

Plugging the ears and saying "la la la" isn't going to make the perception go away, especially when the response to the critiques is to silence those with the temerity to offer them.

[randys1]

49. No SHIT...and they will keep doing it though...was fun here while it lasted

[Lisa D]

65. +1000

And the alerter had the nerve to come into the African American group to alert on a post they didn't like. Can't even have the guts to go to the hosts first if they have a problem. Have to run to a jury and whine about it.

[JustAnotherGen]

95. I'm a host - question - If you were a group host - would you block? Yes or No?

[Lisa D]

110. Yes.

Especially with the doubling-down on that stupid Atwater "meme" theory.

[OilemFirchen]

117. Absolutely.

It's commendable to avoid blocking as a rule, but this poster is being incendiary. You wouldn't be setting precedent - there are already others blocked.

[JustAnotherGen]

122. We pride ourselves on how few people are blocked

And our transparency. Thank you for weighing in!

[OilemFirchen]

125. Commendably. But sometimes you have to draw the line.

In this case, as others have observed, insulting 1SBM while he can't respond is beyond the pale.

[JustAnotherGen]

94. If you were a group host - would you block? Yes or No?

[greatauntoftriplets]

99. Although you didn't ask me, (as a host of three groups) I'd block.

[JustAnotherGen]

105. I didn't see you yet on here

We believe in transparency - and I believe bravenak is a Sanders supporter - so I want her left out of it! I don't want her catching heat the way randy did.

[greatauntoftriplets]

107. I had just come back on and was reading through the thread.

That's a terrible thing to say about 1SBM. Insulting, especially when he can't respond. Nor would he respond in kind, though I couldn't blame him.

[tishaLA]

104. Oh that's tough, JAG.

I think you should follow your conscience. I would have a hard time with a ban, especially because it will look like retribution and we are at a moment of high passions right now. But I think the kinds of things said about 1SBM specifically and black folks generally are really offensive.

So I'm of utterly no use.

ETA: OK, I just read upthread. I'd block like a muthafukka

[JustAnotherGen]

106. There were two alerts

One on his first post - and another re the Atwater smear.

[tishaLA]

113. I just edited my post

I hadn't read some of the shenanigans upthread. To quote my edit: "I'd block like a muthafukka"

[gollygee]

131. +10000

That is NOT what the jury system is supposed to do. You aren't supposed to hide a thread because the issue it brings up is uncomfortable for you.

[JustAnotherGen]

57. So basically

You came to the group to re post what was hidden by another poster - to what? Be smug and rub his face in his hide?

Or was it just to electioneer for the Saint? Mr. Flawless who can't be vetted?

[Lisa D]

62. Heaven forfend that there is a snide post on DU!

After reading posts in GD and GDP, I thought snide was a requirement.

[Number23]

64. No one gives a shit that the libertarians on DU consider that topic to be "character assassination"

It is a LEGITIMATE POLICY DISCUSSION, which Bernie's campaign has openly acknowledged in the last week or so. And I'm willing to bet that the same people who screamed that it was a "fake" issue clapped like seals when Bernie did finally come out and say, "you know what. I am going to give this incredibly important topic the attention it deserves" because it's only "fake," "unimportant" and "manufactured" when WE'RE the ones who care about it.

You guys can think that the man is perfect and running the perfect campaign. No one in this forum gives the first shit. But the desire to come into THIS forum and try to shut us up is the real new low. It's clear that a group of people here have lost their fucking minds.

[hrmjustin]

70. .

[tishaLA]

84. Can you refresh my memory?

Why was it again that Sen Sanders left SNCC?

[JustAnotherGen]

98. I'm asking regular posters if we should block?

I've gotten 6 pm's about te disruption.

That's not cool.

[Spazito]

100. Well said!

Very well said!

[Cha]

170. Most Definitely!!!!

[yardwork]

136. Posts aren't supposed to be hidden for being snide.

We don't hide posts on DU just because we disagree with them. Juries are supposed to follow the rules.

This is a discussion board. We all read things we disagree with here. That doesn't mean we're supposed to hide them.

Plus, this is a protected group for discussion of African American issues.

That hide was bullshit.

[pnwmom]

199. Unfair posts are made about Hillary all the time here and they're not hidden. 1SBM was only hidden

because he's not a Bernie supporter.

[BainsBane]

46. I've recently been on a couple of juries

Where I was the deciding vote that kept a member of this group from getting a hide.

Your answer is yes.

[hrmjustin]

53. It is clear people are being targeted.

All you need to do is look at recent hides.

So sorry people are getting bogus hides.

[JustAnotherGen]

101. You do a void job in the HRC group

If you were a group host - would you block? Yes or No? levy who compared 1Strong to Atwater

[hrmjustin]

111. I sent you a pm but i decided to be brave and answer publicly and say if I were host I would ban.

Comparing a beloved member of this group who can't defend himself to Lee Atwater is over the line.

[JustAnotherGen]

116. Thanks - I would be proud to take the hide

Hes a kind man - and heaven05 recently decided he's had enough.

[hrmjustin]

119. What really bothers me about this place is that some people feel the need to tell

people who they are supposed to vote for.

I am a gay man and I am getting sick and tired of people telling me who my friends are and who I should support.

I see it happening in this room as well.

DU has gotten painful at times now. Watching friends get bogus hides and bogus forced vacations is just too much.

[JustAnotherGen]

121. BTA would beside himself

If he logged on! He'd say the exact same thing you just did!

[hrmjustin]

124. Yes. I wish people would stop attacking other Democrats and put their energy in building up the

party.

[Behind the Aegis]

168. You know me so well!

I have been really perturbed by some of the "Hillary hates Homos" crap I have been seeing. It is similar to the "Blacks like her for name recognition" bullshit from a few weeks back (and still continuing). Basically, there are some "helpful" majorities who are making sure us silly minorities know what is best for us as defined by them. Personally, they aren't making the arguments they think they are making. I am still undecided. But, I have been repeatedly called a "shill" for Clinton, and admonished for not supporting Sanders (can you guess why? You'll get a "star" if you are correct. )

I am hoping this event with 1SBM does not turn into something similar gay posters here experienced in what we called the "Gay Purge".

[JustAnotherGen]

173. Helpful majorities

That totally nails it! Someone else pm's me last night re:concerns of women and Sanders.

That's three major democratic voting blocks he needs to speak to.

DU tends to be high information voters.

The vast majority of Americans are not.

If we had a national primary day this past Saturday - and they went to Sanders web site to get info to make a decision - there's not a lot there. Saturday this past weekend there were basically three points - and I couldn't tie back to local/state implementation that has his thumbprint.

If he's the nominee - I'm going to have a hard time in my district - making his case going door to door.

[Behind the Aegis]

179. I am amazed at the blindness of some.

I am still undecided. I have no problem with people who have already declared. However, I have a huge issue with the partisans who spend most, if not all, of their time trashing the other candidates, as opposed to pointing out what is good about their candidate or defending their candidate. I have seen black folk disrespected and told the only reason they are "for Hillary" is because of "name recognition" and gays are getting popped in the head with "look how much Clinton hated you people 5 years ago". It smacks of arrogance and, yes, I will say it...privilege! When our concerns are brought up, they are dismissed, chastised, or belittled.

For the most part, I have stayed out of the overly-partisan threads, with the exceptions of the ones which are attacks on minorities, or I believe the post is being divisive by using the issues of one of my groups. I can't say I am surprised as I have been at DU for years.

DU tends to be high information voters.

The vast majority of Americans are not.

That is also very true. It is one of the things that concerns me about both Sanders and O'Malley. Even I, who reads DU everyday, no next to nothing about O'Malley and he will be a hard sell to those who aren't familiar with him at all. It doesn't mean he can't run a good and successful campaign, it is just a reality which his group will have to face. The same is true of Sanders. I know more about him because of a variety of things, including, well, he's a Jew, but outside of DU it's "Bernie who?" and that's from democrats! All three will have various challenges and there is nothing wrong with pointing out those challenges, but I am not liking those who are making it all about the challenges, pitting minority groups against one another, patronizing minority posters, and not being willing to face up to actual criticism of their candidate.

BTW...you have done a good job of advocating for O'Malley. If more people followed your example, DU would be much less contentious and actual issues might actually get discussed! His campaign has a good ally in you, but then again, you are a good ally!

[Number23]

146. "heaven05 recently decided he's had enough."

What do you mean??

[JustAnotherGen]

149. Send him a pm

I know he posted in support of 1Strong tonight - but he . . . Not good. Wasn't treated well on a thread.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

69. Just got this PM

Re: I am your friend I hope I am gone till 9-1-15

The poster got his or her 5th hide...

This gaming of the system is a crime!!!

[hrmjustin]

71. That was a bogus hide and clearly shows the targeting going on here.

[DonCoquixote]

75. I think so

I think it is really funny how feminists and outspoken AA's seem to get three hide posts cat-quick, whereas some people that post outright racist and sexist stuff not only are not hidden, but taken by sedan chair right to the greatest page.

[Lisa D]

82. +1000

And notice how the post that compared 1strongblackman to Atwater didn't get a hide.
Shocker

[DonCoquixote]

88. It is funny

Even though seabeyond and 1strongblackman can disagree on things, I consider them both honored friends, not because they agree with me (they often do not) but because they are honest, and are actually capable of bringing viewpoints to DU that are not the mythical average white male so coveted by the party. The fact they are both being watched shows that some people are wanting to take the "underground" out of the underground, which will make the last place for anyone not the pre-digested, pre-packaged brains hostile. Skinner, I know you may have had good intentions with DI, but the fact is that you are dealing with people who hear "no, please stop!" and then hear God tell them "Hit them harder, hit them more, take it all, it is your right and duty as my favorite son!" The old scaffolding is crumbling, from Dixie Flags to straight only marriages, but that means that the right wing, including the centre right, will look at all this burning the way Nero did when Rome burned, a chance to rebuild the city in their image and make sure they made a lot of money in the process, which sadly, is exactly what happened. The left can be the Christians that get throw to the Lions to keep the panem et circuses going, emphasis on the circuses, because the rich on the left and right think they have the right to every damned crust of bread, and have gamed the circuses to make sure they make even more money!

But this is not about money, even though in America, thievery has to be about money. This is about the fact that, contrary to the belief that it is ideologues on the different sides of an issue that cause rancor, it is the squishy mass in the middle that will brook no challenge to it's dominance, and which is willing to believe the scavengers that feed off it's decay, rather than anyone who wants to heal it's disease. That is why, for all the paladins on the left and right that want to talk about issues, we know who will be the red and blue captains, and that both will spend most of the time saying "I am not as extreme as you think I am" while covering for Wall Street. While I can laugh at whatever honest ideologues team red destroys, I am very sad that two people who, whatever their differences are, are people who I would count on as comrades during the elections, are now not welcome at this table. Let me be clear, by this table, I di not mean the AA or feminist groups, I mean the people who make a living offering a table for us to place our offerings on, even those from the "underground."

[JustAnotherGen]

132. Beautiful!

[Starry Messenger]

137. Yep.

[JanetLovesObama]

81. This bullshit "jury system" is straight from the

Sean Hannity Forum. That is how they conduct their blog. I find it stupid, childish, and ridiculous. We are all adults here. We do not need other adults to tell us what we can and cannot post.

[Act_of_Reparation]

109. Wouldn't surprise me.

The Atheists & Agnostics group deals with alert trolls on very nearly a daily basis.

[heaven05]

123. protected for some

others, not so much. One of the reason I have tp get away. Too much sly(not), slick(not) undercover racism here. I was reading Bernard Nalty's Strength For The Fight today, about AA serving in this country's military from Revolutionary War all the way up till modern times. We HAVE NOT moved past a lot of the points of that book.

[Number23]

147. "One of the reason I have tp get away"

Are you leaving too????

[heaven05]

151. Oh I had started a break from here

Last edited Wed Jul 1, 2015, 08:05 AM - Edit history (1)

but I came back just for today to comment on the actions against 1SBM. The fact is that I have always known about this place, some ARE more equal and privileged than others and it shows and is expected by those mentioned. I peeped their shit a long time ago. I send true progressives and liberals here and they ALWAYS come back to me and ask me how I can stand it among so many hypocrites. I tell them about the true progressives on here, but tell them not to be surprised at the faux progressives and liberals. I'll be back. I lurk and watch the mountains of obvious bullshit growing here and as I mentioned before, who do they think they are fooling....with? I've been dealing with people like some of those I find on here for many years. Racists disguised as liberals and progressives. I really do laugh at their obviousness and the total ignorance that people know who they really are and laugh at their puerility. Their egos are just there to be in the way of true progress and who needs clowns like that. I'll be watching. You, justanothergen, 1SBM, sheshe, bravenak, mary, randy1, and more, I believe in you. You are the reason progressives and liberals, so called, are so out of joint. You're the real ones. They are not.

[Number23]

154. That is the most fucked up, hilarious and sad as hell thing I've seen today

I send true progressives and liberals here and they ALWAYS come back to me and ask me how I can stand it among so many hypocrites.

I am laughing and shaking my head at the same time. And I understand exactly what your friends mean. I don't what the hell I'm doing here myself.

I don't blame you for your break. Like I said to 1SBM, you deserve that but I almost don't even see the point in coming back. Seriously, what good would it do? The libertarians have taken over this place and they make it plain as day they don't care about you or me. Why come back? What good can we do here?

I'm not asking this so that I can get packs on the back. I've gotten a few PMs already from people saying how important our voices are here but important to who? What's the point? I genuinely don't see one anymore. This place doesn't represent Democrats -- the AA forum was one of the few forums here that actually does and it's been polluted now. And these same folks act and treat us the same way that Freepers would if given half the chance. And that's no coincidence.

Racists disguised as liberals and progressives. I really do laugh at their obviousness and the total ignorance that people know who they really are and laugh at their puerility.

I used to laugh but I don't see the point now. It's not about letting them "win" or anything. I just don't give a shit anymore. I came here to discuss politics and all I see is ignorance and hatred directed at our community and our perspectives. I don't go to Stormfront or Free Republic because I have no interest in that garbage. So why come here and swim through a slightly better spelled but no less racist swamp?

[OilemFirchen]

156. Guess what?

The Puritopians are being alert-swarmed too!

They seem to be taking us out one by one.

BTW, the subject of that thread's embarrassing opus is an active poster.

[Cha]

183. Oh Gawd!

the victimhood!

[Hekate]

161. This is seriously depressing. F'gods'sake how can anyone have the nerveless gall to invoke Lee.....

.....Atwater's name, and have their post survive an alert in a protected Group?

Those who disagree with the pack who run roughshod through this site have already been driven to the Groups and now are being driven farther and farther to the fringes. God forbid anyone should actually like the President, much less express admiration for his accomplishments. Hide out in the BOG and fear to show your face in GD. Much better to call him a POSUCS and get hundreds of responses and Recs.

It's just nuts.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

188. I was hidden today but probably deserved it.

[noiretextatique]

189. it is a problem that needs to be addressed

but let's not pretend it just happens one way. the posts that were hidden from this particular poster were definitely not hide-worthy. i am a realist, so as a black woman, and a Sanders supporter, it does not surprise me that black HRC supporters do not support Sanders. but i also think it is utter nonsense to keep claiming that Sanders does not "speak to black people." nor do i see a huge difference between social and economic justice: they are just two sides of the same coin. we cannot have social justice without economic justice, nor can we have economic justice without social justice. are there asshole Sanders supporters? YES. are there asshole HRC supporters? YES. what is going to happen here is that when HRC wins the nomination (and i think she will) is what happens every election cycle: this site will support her. in the meantime, i hope people can stop acting like children by targeting and ganging up on people who have an opinion that is different than theirs. and in this case, it seems clear to me that is exactly what happened. again...let's not pretend it doesn't happen the other way also.

[lovemydog]

195. Your points are well-taken by me.

I'm a democratic socialist and leaning toward Bernie. If nothing else, I'm glad his campaign is getting people more awake to the knowledge that we need more democratic socialism in our country, that it will greatly benefit everyone in the large majority and in minorities too. I would like to see a real grass roots movement that puts leftists in office at every level.

I don't let anyone's supporters affect my vote. I vote for the candidate I like most in spite of the more crazed supporters, not because of them. I wonder though, if you see what I see? I see some of Bernie's more rabid supporters acting very thin-skinned and defensive to the point of inanity. And almost like they are plants to sow division among the left or sow divisiveness or maybe even to specifically make Sanders look bad.

But then, I've always been a big President Obama supporter. Maybe that's how many here have seen me, in that regard. I have trouble brooking the slightest criticism of him. I feel emotionally engaged with his Administration, and I've felt like I 'have his back' along with others here, in defending him. I wonder maybe if this is something similar here. But as a strong Obama supporter I don't feel I've ever been in the majority here. Whereas the Sanders supporters here seem like the overwhelming majority right now. And many (not all) have been trashing Obama and HRC for years. And are behaving despicably toward other democrats, and other leftists. Do you see any of that? I'm interested in your thoughts because we seem pretty similar in our political ideology.

[Number23]

190. I just got a jury hide. I am posting it for everyone in this forum to see

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251430220#post110

So the next time someone says that people aren't being stalked, they can see it for the bullshit that it is.

I know that Brother Ivan did not alert on this post. I'm sure it's a coincidence of the highest order that it came SECONDS after a well known DU treasure ( ) and "Bernie Supporter" of the caliber that Skinner has been talking about in AtA responded to me.

[Number23]

191. And the jury results on my post

I posted this and less than TWO HOURS LATER, someone alerted on my post.

No, there's no jury stalking here folks! And all this crap that the alerter wrote to pretend otherwise is really convincing. Yes, they "thought hard" about alerting on my post, calling it a personal attack when NO ONE WAS NAMED. That's the worst kind of "personal attack" -- one that isn't even personal!!

Alert stalking is a FABULOUS way to prove that there is no alert stalking!!

Mail Message
On Wed Jul 8, 2015, 12:35 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

I just got a jury hide. I am posting it for everyone in this forum to see
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1187&pid=17799

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

I thought hard about alerting on this because of where this is posted at and her claim of being stalked, but this is a personal attack on another member, unless she is privy to the alerts sent she has no way to know that frylock alerted on her post yet she accused that poster of being responsible for her nasty hidden post, simply because he supports Bernie. People should understand, they get nasty or attack another member they might just get a hidden post because they deserve it. not because they are being "alert stalked"

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Wed Jul 8, 2015, 12:40 AM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I'm leaving it. It's a protected group.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Personality conflicts exist. People do alert and choose to hide because of them. While, that's not the purist definition of alert stalking, I think it's what's being discussed here. I'm a leave since this is in a protected group and I think I get what they're trying to discuss there.

[lovemydog]

194. What the fuck.

That alert reeks of not understanding what it's like to post here at DU and not have the majority agree with where you're coming from. This is a protected group. You should have broad leeway to say what you want here.

No one was named in your post. None of those who voted to hide even gave a reason. And this notion that 'people should understand, blah blah blah'. It's like saying 'You should be punished so that all can understand that what I did naming someone here is something for which you should be punished.' It's a depraved non-sequitor. And that three people bought that crap is just pathetic.

[Number23]

196. Yep. This board has always been hostile to minorities but some are truly taking it to a whole

'nother level now. "Reeks" is a perfect word to describe this behavior.

Side note, it's kind of funny that the alerter named names. If they hadn't been so busy trying to shut me up, not a single person would have been called out. And now they have been. Funny how that works sometimes.

[BrotherIvan]

192. I did not alert on the post and just found out that it was hidden

I am not a part of this group, so that is all I will say. In fact, I had just sent you a PM before I saw this thread to say the same thing. I do not alert on posts, especially those replying to me, as I feel it is better to respond than to hide. So, I just want that to be very clear.

[Number23]

193. I know it wasn't you. And I want to thank you for your PM. That was really very sweet of you

But if you aren't troubled by what's going on on this board, then I don't know what to tell you.

[JustAnotherGen]

197. Take the apology back

Seriously.

[Number23]

198. ??? What apology? Has something happened??

[JustAnotherGen]

200. You were waaaay too nice right there

I think he was being a trickster. Go look at the Catherina tweets.


That's what he thinks of you.

It took everything in me to not block him this morning. Especially since he had so few posts since October 2014 and most were trying to stick it o 1Strong.

[Number23]

201. I think it's telling that the conversation stopped (or appeared to) after the house niggers

comment. Before that he was offering vague platitudes of support and when she took it there the conversation seemed to stop.

I still don't have any issues with Brother Ivan. I think he got tired of being used and took off. To be honest, I hope his 'Block User' on Twitter is working with that one. She seems like the stalker-y type big time.