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They are getting close to silencing 1StrongBlackMan (Original Post) DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 OP
Tolerance is no longer a DU virtue Demeter Jul 2015 #1
It's 4:39 AM PST. I am going back to bed ...I will have more thoughts at a more civil time. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #2
and who has made this the case at du Romeo.lima333 Jul 2015 #128
This message was self-deleted by its author Ken Burch Jul 2015 #301
I have a feeling it's one person with a big grudge. Warpy Jul 2015 #378
What are the charges? This seems unfair. nt brush Jul 2015 #3
What are the charges? DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #4
I'm confused JackInGreen Jul 2015 #5
I got another hide ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #24
Dude, they are really out to shut you up. You've obviously struck an exposed nerve, and they're.... Tarheel_Dem Jul 2015 #40
Above post deleted because I somehow it "post" before I was ready... computer problems. 1monster Jul 2015 #144
I tend to agree with you Andy823 Jul 2015 #205
I warned you, brah... DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #41
Another bogus hide. brer cat Jul 2015 #48
Posts pointing out the issues.. Indydem Jul 2015 #325
Knowing your history here, your always insightful posts, and the very civil way in which... Purrfessor Jul 2015 #59
Can't Duckhunter935 Jul 2015 #65
I am almost always busy and rushed, so I used to refuse about half or more of the tblue37 Jul 2015 #271
I do the same thing Duckhunter935 Jul 2015 #273
I'm with you. I believe we should only remove posts when they are trolling or just too JDPriestly Jul 2015 #293
i can't believe you would show your face in this op. stonecutter357 Jul 2015 #309
How are you able to determine who did the alert? I would have thought ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #331
I couldn't tell who did the alert, just who had been alerted on. The one who had been tblue37 Jul 2015 #371
Oh, and just for the record, 1StrongBlackMan, you are one of the DU members whose tblue37 Jul 2015 #372
Thank you for the kind words. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #373
omfg lovemydog Jul 2015 #310
here is a link Duckhunter935 Jul 2015 #312
Oh my gosh. lovemydog Jul 2015 #314
yes that is common Duckhunter935 Jul 2015 #315
Me too Duckhunter935. lovemydog Jul 2015 #317
Hang in there. We'll back you. brush Jul 2015 #83
It's obvious you're being targeted. Dr Hobbitstein Jul 2015 #121
This message was self-deleted by its author 1monster Jul 2015 #139
It would seem to mean that you have something to say GeoWilliam750 Jul 2015 #157
That was a bad hide RobertEarl Jul 2015 #178
Luck his nothing to do with this. 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #181
Community values RobertEarl Jul 2015 #192
Community values: brer cat Jul 2015 #245
Thank you brer cat! sheshe2 Jul 2015 #385
GD-P was like this in 2008, too Warpy Jul 2015 #227
I always read your posts and find them to be fair-minded, sometimes AikidoSoul Jul 2015 #250
As a fanatical Bernie backer, Admiral Loinpresser Jul 2015 #183
^^WORD FOR F'N WORD^^ nt R. P. McMurphy Jul 2015 #208
Could you PM me the link? BainsBane Jul 2015 #189
These "personal attack" or "over the top" alert reasons are being abused. Efilroft Sul Jul 2015 #209
I haven't decided on a candidate ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #214
Whoever you choose will have a quality supporter. Efilroft Sul Jul 2015 #280
Thanks ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #289
Please post your hide. I have no idea where this happened. Number23 Jul 2015 #215
Okay ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #218
I think you're like me, at this point. Number23 Jul 2015 #228
Oh ... That decision is settled ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #239
The disgusting part of this is that anyone would report that, let alone 4 out of 7 vote randys1 Jul 2015 #229
Oh Shite! I could never see Cha Jul 2015 #263
Oh, please post that to me. I'll cry all night *sniff, sniff* with tears of laughter! n/t freshwest Jul 2015 #288
That is alert stalker bullshit there and I say that as someone who disagrees with you more often TheKentuckian Jul 2015 #391
... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #392
i was on this jury. barbtries Jul 2015 #241
It sounds like a few wolves in sheep's clothing have infiltrated DU. TheBlackAdder Jul 2015 #249
OK, this is getting absurd. blackspade Jul 2015 #267
"Remember the golden rule, don't be and asshole" Cha Jul 2015 #299
I don't know what is happening, and it sure isn't fair. I personally refuse to take part in the still_one Jul 2015 #276
For some people it is simply IMPOSSIBLE to conceptually divide the two The Green Manalishi Jul 2015 #290
I largely agree ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #291
This message was self-deleted by its author Ken Burch Jul 2015 #304
I've said far, far worse about this said candidate than you could ever have. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2015 #375
I hope not TexasProgresive Jul 2015 #6
I so agree LittleGirl Jul 2015 #43
Well Said DallasNE Jul 2015 #76
In all fairness ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #108
That's good that you have made peace. TexasProgresive Jul 2015 #110
Yeah, but the point is - you made peace. And even better, "we are much more civil to one another." calimary Jul 2015 #124
Well said TexasProgressive abakan Jul 2015 #145
How so? Please explain your allegation. TheCowsCameHome Jul 2015 #7
Please look at his profile page.He is one deletion from a timeout. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #8
I see four hides, if I'm reading it correctly TheCowsCameHome Jul 2015 #9
More Content bahrbearian Jul 2015 #15
Yeah, I saw that. TheCowsCameHome Jul 2015 #19
The OP looked at the basic demographics of the city crim son Jul 2015 #58
He pointed out that Portland Maine is a largely homogeneous city. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #71
He ignored that. tazkcmo Jul 2015 #79
You are certainly free to disagree...My response is about those who want to silence him. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #90
When have I said Bernie is not concerned about PoC's interests ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #113
Hmmmmmmm tazkcmo Jul 2015 #117
When I was in Law School ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #125
I only know what you post tazkcmo Jul 2015 #131
Who gives a crap about his "history" other than the Reagan Democrats he's trying to woo? Tarheel_Dem Jul 2015 #148
Reagan Democrats? blackspade Jul 2015 #275
I'll bet there's quite a bit you "hadn't heard". n/t Tarheel_Dem Jul 2015 #323
Such as? blackspade Jul 2015 #330
I've asked you to step outside yourself ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #155
Come on! You've got to have more depth than that brush Jul 2015 #127
That's all there was. tazkcmo Jul 2015 #133
Ok-a-a-a-a-a-a-y. Never mind then. nt brush Jul 2015 #136
Yes ... you are missing a great mopportunity to grow ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #156
This ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #111
The demographics of Maine have changed a lot, avebury Jul 2015 #118
You voted to hide a post because "the OP was rushing to judgement without conducting any research"? thucythucy Jul 2015 #151
Hey if someone alerts on a post avebury Jul 2015 #202
Hey, if someone disagrees with you thucythucy Jul 2015 #222
Looks to me like 1Strong was the one alert swarmed JustAnotherGen Jul 2015 #22
The powers that be have said the evidence of alert trolling is scant Major Nikon Jul 2015 #89
How can Admin know that these attacks aren't coordinated at other sites? I can think of two.... Tarheel_Dem Jul 2015 #190
There's also the tactic of multiple DUers sharing passwords for sock accounts Major Nikon Jul 2015 #238
So you think its more likely that someone is coordinating to get a DU member banned? Why? cstanleytech Jul 2015 #279
Thanks~ sheshe2 Jul 2015 #112
The post that you are responding to and the one it is defending ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #115
I notice that one of alert gang has 3 hides herself. closeupready Jul 2015 #109
How do you tell how many hides a poster has when the transparency page is not displayed? Tarheel_Dem Jul 2015 #184
If you are viewing someone's Profile Information page, closeupready Jul 2015 #186
You explained that beautifully. I never knew that. You can teach an old dog...... Tarheel_Dem Jul 2015 #193
It's all mind over matter. closeupready Jul 2015 #197
Bonobo's "contribution" to that thread was to accuse a black man of "race baiting" Number23 Jul 2015 #216
I took a hit in that thread myself. Bobbie Jo Jul 2015 #352
BJ!!! Number23 Jul 2015 #353
Utter blasphemy!! Bobbie Jo Jul 2015 #355
Do you think it's safe to let the kids out of their room now?? We wouldn't want the little darlings Number23 Jul 2015 #357
LOL ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #359
I cant see another members transparency page, says since there are less than 5 or something randys1 Jul 2015 #231
Click on Chance of serving on Juries: DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #234
See that now, thanks. As to hides, any suggestion that white people in America randys1 Jul 2015 #236
Rec! bravenak Jul 2015 #10
I love 1StrongBlackMan! kaiden Jul 2015 #11
This message was self-deleted by its author shaayecanaan Jul 2015 #16
Yep he sure does n/t JustAnotherGen Jul 2015 #23
Group Host - please back away from this group and this thread JustAnotherGen Jul 2015 #29
Apologies shaayecanaan Jul 2015 #34
No need to delete - and JustAnotherGen Jul 2015 #39
K&R brer cat Jul 2015 #12
For more content. bahrbearian Jul 2015 #13
This message was self-deleted by its author DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #14
Why did you change your reply. bahrbearian Jul 2015 #17
Now the whole post is gone so "they" can't use it as a pretext to silence me too... DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #18
Group Host - please back away from this group and this thread JustAnotherGen Jul 2015 #28
You have the patience of Job, god bless you. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #32
Mahalo Gen~ Cha Jul 2015 #36
. hrmjustin Jul 2015 #57
K&R NCTraveler Jul 2015 #20
FIXED DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #25
+1 NCTraveler Jul 2015 #33
I agree on that. murielm99 Jul 2015 #179
Thank you for making us aware of this, DSB.. We love 1StrongBlackMan's voice on DU. Cha Jul 2015 #21
In case you are up . . . JustAnotherGen Jul 2015 #26
Thanks for that report, Gen! Cha Jul 2015 #30
Thank you for the information. SusanCalvin Jul 2015 #73
Thanks for the report, Gen Hekate Jul 2015 #154
Thanks for reporting. I switched channels cuz I thought Rev was gonna gush over BS' "crowds". Tarheel_Dem Jul 2015 #207
Yeah - he blasted some Muddy! JustAnotherGen Jul 2015 #244
I like your Gio more each day. Number23 Jul 2015 #237
K&R! stonecutter357 Jul 2015 #27
1SBM is a huge target. He doesn't "toe the line", if you know what I mean. I had a post hidden... Tarheel_Dem Jul 2015 #31
We call him that "one in ten thousand." DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #35
Perhaps, I will use my experience in the DU:GD to prepare a ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #104
You wouldn't think we'd be dragged back to that by a group of enlightened "liberals", would ya? Tarheel_Dem Jul 2015 #146
I know ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #174
Reception to BS will continue to be "lukewarm"; his 55 y.o. civil rights dossier notwithstanding. Tarheel_Dem Jul 2015 #182
I suspect the campaign bet is ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #191
It is a gamble. And if that's a real strategy? I'll go ahead & say GOOD LUCK WITH THAT! Tarheel_Dem Jul 2015 #195
I didn't say it's a smart strategy or a wise gamble ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #199
"{Please note ... I AM NOT SAYING THAT BERNIE OR HIS CAMPAIGN IS RACIST.}" Tarheel_Dem Jul 2015 #201
If I knew how to do a sig line ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #203
Just go to your profile page, and EDIT the "signature line", up to 400 characters. See my sig.....? Tarheel_Dem Jul 2015 #206
It worked ... It worked! n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #210
I love it! Tarheel_Dem Jul 2015 #213
. stonecutter357 Jul 2015 #311
I figured it was add the sig line; or, change ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #319
No, you didn't miss a damn thing. Number23 Jul 2015 #219
Like I told 1SBM, just because you shut down the conversation here doesn't mean the conversation.... Tarheel_Dem Jul 2015 #232
Oh, you got that right. "just because you shut down the conversation HERE Number23 Jul 2015 #295
I love that tweet! Tarheel_Dem Jul 2015 #326
I have to disagree ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #339
He'd lose about half his support. That's not what his audiences come to hear. As for the..... Tarheel_Dem Jul 2015 #340
Hey ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #341
The fact that Nate Cohn isn't black might help dispel some of the myths & accusations. Tarheel_Dem Jul 2015 #360
LOL ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #336
Noticed that, did you. You know like I have said, I dont think Bernie is one bit less concerned randys1 Jul 2015 #342
"BS is sticking to certain enclaves" druidity33 Jul 2015 #272
He's going where RT, Ed Schultz & Thom Hartmann tell him his "audience" is. Tarheel_Dem Jul 2015 #322
Is Maine an early primary state? JustAnotherGen Jul 2015 #362
No, but it is next door to Vermont... druidity33 Jul 2015 #364
It could happen JustAnotherGen Jul 2015 #366
i can't follow what you're talking about... druidity33 Jul 2015 #369
The skin color comment was made by Senator Sanders JustAnotherGen Jul 2015 #370
Just remember these threads - Journal Primaries and GE JustAnotherGen Jul 2015 #379
I've said before...if you took BS off the stage, and put Donald Trump in his place, the audience.... Tarheel_Dem Jul 2015 #380
The question is whether intentionally & falsely framing a person as a racist violates the guidelines Android3.14 Jul 2015 #37
Who did ISBM intentionally frame as a racist ? DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #42
Bernie Sanders Android3.14 Jul 2015 #67
By discussing the demographics of a particular city? DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #72
You are very selective Duckhunter935 Jul 2015 #86
That is the inference you are making... DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #88
It's right here in this post, and the one it's replying to: arcane1 Jul 2015 #103
I have made a similar observation. bravenak Jul 2015 #105
That's a long way from saying he's avoiding non-whites on purpose n/t arcane1 Jul 2015 #122
If I said I don't expect to see Kanye at the Grande Ole Opry soon. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #107
All in good time Android3.14 Jul 2015 #102
It not only one would be unacceptable here. It would/should be unacceptable anywhere. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #106
Actually, the gravamen (thanks for the new word) is that Bernie is a racist Android3.14 Jul 2015 #116
Respectfully, I don't see how you can make that inference... DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #119
Let's have us a gentleperson's agreement Android3.14 Jul 2015 #132
ISBM is not suggesting Senator Sanders is a racist. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #153
We will just have to agree to disagree Android3.14 Jul 2015 #161
He can come to that conclusion because ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #169
Sanders is not prioritizing issues important to minority communities. kwassa Jul 2015 #287
In fact, I have said more times than I can recall that ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #168
Probably because there are dozens of layers between them DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #170
+1. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #171
The way I Jamaal510 Jul 2015 #283
If you think noting THAT is racist, then you really do not understand how awful bettyellen Jul 2015 #346
Who is calling who what? Android3.14 Jul 2015 #365
You misunderstood SBM, as others using the words "race card" did. bettyellen Jul 2015 #368
+1 ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #123
It seems significant to me that... Koinos Jul 2015 #138
You noticed that? So did I ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #147
There's definitely a pattern here. I may have to take back an earlier disclaimer. Tarheel_Dem Jul 2015 #196
I think there is definitely a pattern here. Koinos Jul 2015 #224
That is an interesting point, Koinos. A very interesting point Number23 Jul 2015 #235
I am the loudest of those "others", thank you! bettyellen Jul 2015 #382
Actually seabeyond has got you beat. She actually PM'D ME how she couldn't believe that Sanders Number23 Jul 2015 #383
Ha yes- she PMd me too when I posted same, lol! bettyellen Jul 2015 #384
Yes she is ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #386
Astute observation. My opinion is that BS' audiences mirror those of Ed Schultz & Thom Hartmann. Tarheel_Dem Jul 2015 #327
This is a group. A group, I might add, where 1SBM is a valued member. Perhaps you should see.... Tarheel_Dem Jul 2015 #44
If I say I don't see many black folks at the Daytona 500... DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #50
It's really strange that this question can't be asked of someone running as a "Democrat". You can.. Tarheel_Dem Jul 2015 #53
I have a good (Black/Female) friend that works for NASCAR ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #129
That is informative yet depressing to hear. nt SusanCalvin Jul 2015 #141
Perhaps, there was a larger message in there. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #150
Super depressing because NASCAR really reaches out... DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #160
The movie producing phenom, Will Packer ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #165
Sad DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #162
Why should someone leave this group? Android3.14 Jul 2015 #68
You don't come into a private sandbox, and kick sand in the face of the host, or you'll be.... Tarheel_Dem Jul 2015 #143
DU wouldn't be DU without 1SBM. Ilsa Jul 2015 #38
1SBM is one of my favorite posters Gothmog Jul 2015 #45
Ditto to this..... 1SBM is one of my favorite posters..... eom a kennedy Jul 2015 #49
Post removed Post removed Jul 2015 #46
This could be a teachable amount... DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #55
+1. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #135
Again, the folks that went down south were heroes!!! DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #163
Best post of the day. I am watching what is happening here to 1stBman in total amazement randys1 Jul 2015 #233
k&r in support of 1StrongBlackMan. lovemydog Jul 2015 #47
"It's sickening that people are alerting on and voting to hide his posts. Cowardly and pathetic Cha Jul 2015 #54
Another thing that's funny is that lovemydog Jul 2015 #60
I know! You described it perfectly, lovemydog. Cha Jul 2015 #61
Why is this allowed to go on? lunamagica Jul 2015 #51
This is what DU has become. This is infuriating. hrmjustin Jul 2015 #52
I got my posting privledges suspended................and nobody noticed. Darb Jul 2015 #56
K&R mcar Jul 2015 #62
K & R Thinkingabout Jul 2015 #63
This message was self-deleted by its author Ed Suspicious Jul 2015 #64
What does this have to do with alert stalking on DU? nt sufrommich Jul 2015 #66
they can't silence him heaven05 Jul 2015 #69
I would love a thread where we all shared the BS hides we've gotten. wyldwolf Jul 2015 #70
Here's his fourth...You and I have had a lot worse said to us. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #95
A LOT worse. Most of which easily survive juries. wyldwolf Jul 2015 #152
You should see some of the things that survive murielm99 Jul 2015 #180
That is assuredly the most asinine hide I have ever seen Hekate Jul 2015 #158
I got a hide when the alerter--the OP, lied and said it was against the TOS for msanthrope Jul 2015 #284
Course the jury bought it.. not bothering to check for themselves.. they're so responsible. Cha Jul 2015 #298
You know what's a neat trick with DU's Google? The phrase "personal attack" msanthrope Jul 2015 #308
Yesterday I was locked/blocked/hid for posting nothing but FACTS about HRC Indepatriot Jul 2015 #74
Where did you post it and what was the reason given for the hide? cstanleytech Jul 2015 #281
I was Rude, Bernie Sanders has spoken about Race relations. out side of socioeconomic parameters. imthevicar Jul 2015 #75
and when you heaven05 Jul 2015 #80
Do you Bother to read? imthevicar Jul 2015 #94
This is not the place for this. bravenak Jul 2015 #100
Respectfully, what does that have to do with trying to silence 1StrongBlackMan ? DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #98
Huh ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #140
His answer is university JustAnotherGen Jul 2015 #252
1StrongBlackMan is one of my favorite posters on DU Evergreen Emerald Jul 2015 #77
I keep telling Skinner there needs to be oversight of 4-3 & 3-4 Flying Squirrel Jul 2015 #159
Or require 5-2 or 6-1 to hide. SusanCalvin Jul 2015 #217
Why would the jury system need oversight if its random and anonymous?? cstanleytech Jul 2015 #294
As far as I can see, SusanCalvin Jul 2015 #78
Serial baiters of minority posters are really showing their asses Starry Messenger Jul 2015 #81
Funny Duckhunter935 Jul 2015 #87
This is not this place for this. bravenak Jul 2015 #96
But. You allow a poster Duckhunter935 Jul 2015 #126
I didn't see the cult thing. I went to take a nap. bravenak Jul 2015 #251
Maybe you should admonish Duckhunter935 Jul 2015 #253
I was just trying to help you out. bravenak Jul 2015 #254
But it is ok to do the same to Bernie supporters Duckhunter935 Jul 2015 #256
No. I still don't see that post. bravenak Jul 2015 #257
Like I said, the one I responded to Duckhunter935 Jul 2015 #264
She was only talking about some post by some supporters. bravenak Jul 2015 #266
Thank you Duckhunter935 Jul 2015 #269
Too much rah-rah and/or defensiveness SusanCalvin Jul 2015 #92
I start from the premise they are all pols or politicians, albeit with their hearts in the... DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #101
Doesn't this have a familiar stench in your opinion? Behind the Aegis Jul 2015 #204
It really does--the same gaslighting and fostering of straw-men and half-truths Starry Messenger Jul 2015 #211
K & R Iliyah Jul 2015 #82
I think 1SBM's point has been lost in the melee. jalan48 Jul 2015 #84
I rarely agree with 1StrongBlackMan tularetom Jul 2015 #85
We rarely agree on anything but I respect your passion... DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #93
That one was just nuts, SusanCalvin Jul 2015 #134
Gotta agree I havent seen any that would appear hide worthy but then again I dont follow his posts. cstanleytech Jul 2015 #285
1StrongBlackMan should not be silenced. This is getting ridiculous. Shrike47 Jul 2015 #91
Sick. ismnotwasm Jul 2015 #97
Just finished reading that thread, I've noticed quite a bit of intense bullying from a certain AuntPatsy Jul 2015 #99
For what it's worth rock Jul 2015 #114
It seems like DU has really started going downhill avebury Jul 2015 #120
Yikes! I clicked on your OP just because it was from you lunatica Jul 2015 #130
Over the flame bait threads? nt Gore1FL Jul 2015 #137
How was it flame bait? DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #167
I saw a flamebait thread yesterday attacking sanders. Gore1FL Jul 2015 #220
He was referring to the homogeneity of a candidate's audiences. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #221
The manner in which it was presented was flame bait. Gore1FL Jul 2015 #223
Precisely, the homogeneity of the audience reflected the homogeneity of the city where it was held. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #225
So it is Sander's fault that Portland ME has a lot of white people Gore1FL Jul 2015 #226
The poster was speaking to his choice of venues DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #230
Large venues, to be sure.... Perhaps I missed something in the text; let's look! Gore1FL Jul 2015 #277
He's a voter and he wants the senator to address the issues of his community on his terms. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #278
A debate might have occurred if it was set up as a discussion. Gore1FL Jul 2015 #286
Jury results: Sheldon Cooper Jul 2015 #142
Thank you... DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #173
Juror #4 (voted to HIDE IT): "...he should back off for a spell.." SunSeeker Jul 2015 #187
Yep. Sheldon Cooper Jul 2015 #188
Also, this a protected forum so it's up to the host if META posts are allowed. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #194
Really. SusanCalvin Jul 2015 #212
Juror#4 says "no one is trying to silence 1sbm" but then goes on to tell him how to act and "he Cha Jul 2015 #268
I can't believe somebody had the nerve to come in here and alert on this OP in the fucking AFRICAN Number23 Jul 2015 #248
I'm with you JustAnotherGen Jul 2015 #260
The Alert Police will go anywhere on this board to try to silence 1StrongBlackMan. Cha Jul 2015 #270
The 218 recs has to really sting for that person./nt DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #321
I hope it did big time. Number23 Jul 2015 #332
I hope you aren't upset that I posted it here... DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #333
To paraphrase Willy Wonka... Number23 Jul 2015 #334
1SBM has become a megastar!/NT DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #335
Thank you, Sheldon! i knew there'd be somebody who couldn't take DSB's OP about Silencing Cha Jul 2015 #265
DU is mutilating itself KnR Hekate Jul 2015 #149
Everyone, and I mean everyone, needs to chill the f*ck out Fearless Jul 2015 #164
I agree Skittles Jul 2015 #247
first off DonCoquixote Jul 2015 #166
NO, NO, NO! nt s-cubed Jul 2015 #172
K & R SunSeeker Jul 2015 #175
I served on one of those juries, murielm99 Jul 2015 #176
Thanks for posting this, DemocratSinceBirth emulatorloo Jul 2015 #177
In all fairness ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #185
For some folks their civil rights are all they have./NT DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #198
Or, the economic boogey man ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #200
i juried this morning barbtries Jul 2015 #240
Oh FFS. DU has become a f*cking trainwreck. BumRushDaShow Jul 2015 #242
nothing remotely hide-worthy noiretextatique Jul 2015 #243
Only personal attacks against sulphurdunn Jul 2015 #246
Some personal attacks are worse than others... DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #255
I don't mean making snarky rejoinders. sulphurdunn Jul 2015 #261
His view is dead wrong Depaysement Jul 2015 #258
No, 1StrongBlackMan's View is not "dead wrong". Cha Jul 2015 #259
If he goes, I want to know where he writes next. Just to read. I'm ready to learn from an ally. But freshwest Jul 2015 #262
I agree with your analysis Gothmog Jul 2015 #282
Freedom of speech. K & R! n/t Admiral Loinpresser Jul 2015 #274
there are a few people they want to silence JI7 Jul 2015 #292
You nailed it. Number23 Jul 2015 #296
Regarding your last paragraph. lovemydog Jul 2015 #313
Malcolm could not have been more open with his disgust with BOTH parties Number23 Jul 2015 #337
So true Number23. lovemydog Jul 2015 #343
As I have pointed out repeatedly, reverse everything past 200 yrs and NOTHING is left randys1 Jul 2015 #344
It goes to this JustAnotherGen Jul 2015 #363
Yes, great points JAG. lovemydog Jul 2015 #367
Numerous repostings of the "OMG You Guys MLK Said DEMOCRATIC SOCIALISM One Time" threads -- betsuni Jul 2015 #297
"funny or sad" JI7 Jul 2015 #302
I laugh to keep from crying. lovemydog Jul 2015 #316
Tragi-comic. Starry Messenger Jul 2015 #324
Sigh.... SusanCalvin Jul 2015 #345
Why do you think that person keeps posting that over and over and over again? Number23 Jul 2015 #350
Why, everyone knows that posting the same thing over and over again Starry Messenger Jul 2015 #354
Ding ding ding!! We have a winner!! Number23 Jul 2015 #356
What a great picture, ha! Starry Messenger Jul 2015 #358
For the attention. betsuni Jul 2015 #361
"but even just asking a question, especially if you are black concerning certain issues and certain Cha Jul 2015 #320
This message was self-deleted by its author Ken Burch Jul 2015 #300
This is not the place for this. This is the AA group. bravenak Jul 2015 #303
Thank you Ken. bravenak Jul 2015 #305
I'm kind of snorty laughing here JustAnotherGen Jul 2015 #329
I think we live in the same state. (Me and Ken) bravenak Jul 2015 #338
I've seen the contents of the post JustAnotherGen Jul 2015 #347
I was hoping nobody would see that post. bravenak Jul 2015 #349
Out of respect for you, I will. Ken Burch Jul 2015 #306
Thank you. bravenak Jul 2015 #307
Keep speaking the truth, 1SBM steve2470 Jul 2015 #318
DU rec... SidDithers Jul 2015 #328
Just saw this Bobbie Jo Jul 2015 #348
... Historic NY Jul 2015 #351
I'm shocked that I'm still here. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2015 #374
Me too. But glad. randys1 Jul 2015 #376
LOL!! Much appreciated indeed! :) Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2015 #377
That's because ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #387
Well, I've just had another post hidden, so... Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2015 #388
What was the post? Link please. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #389
I deserved this one, probably... Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2015 #390
if it's any consolation I think the Manions are done with the "stoking the fire" OPs that "pass for bettyellen Jul 2015 #381
Yes, I've noticed that too. lovemydog Jul 2015 #393

DemocratSinceBirth

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2. It's 4:39 AM PST. I am going back to bed ...I will have more thoughts at a more civil time.
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 07:31 AM
Jul 2015

I don't want to write anything I regret because I am apoplectic.


Response to Demeter (Reply #1)

Warpy

(110,746 posts)
378. I have a feeling it's one person with a big grudge.
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 02:58 PM
Jul 2015

And yes, there was just one more bogus alert. I wish they'd let us be insulting in our explanations, mine would have curled the hair in his/her nose.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,702 posts)
4. What are the charges?
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 07:37 AM
Jul 2015

Speaking his mind...

I would say more but I am not prepared to go out in a blaze of glory, yet!

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
24. I got another hide ...
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 08:33 AM
Jul 2015

In a string in which I indicated that that a certain candidate could help his/her case with PoC, if he/she would address social inequality without tying it to economic equality, i.e., speak directly to PoC without a side of "we're all in this together" ... a party to the discussion posted a "we're all in this together" and I had the nerve to point out that his/her post indicated that he/she completely missed my request/indication by saying it sailed completely over (his/her) head ... which is now, apparently, a hide-worthy "personal attack" for 4 out of 7 jurors.



Well, perhaps I shouldn't hit "post my reply" on this as it is likely to be alerted on and hid as whining about a juror decision. ... Nahh ...

Tarheel_Dem

(31,201 posts)
40. Dude, they are really out to shut you up. You've obviously struck an exposed nerve, and they're....
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 08:56 AM
Jul 2015

feeling something other than "the Bern". They can't really explain or answer your questions, they just know it makes them feel icky. Keep on fighting the good fight, although I do understand the hesitation to be drawn in. A jury shouldn't be the luck of the draw, but them's the rules, and it doesn't look like they'll be changing.

One would think you'd be safe in a "safe haven" (irony noted), but there is a definitely a campaign underway, and I don't mean for POTUS.

1monster

(11,012 posts)
144. Above post deleted because I somehow it "post" before I was ready... computer problems.
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 01:12 PM
Jul 2015

Take it as a compliment: Someone obviously thinks you have an eloquent, effective, and influential voice.

I respect your right to your opinion and to express that opinion. But if I were in your shoes and some were targeting me, I would make sure to give them nothing that could be made into ammunition.

That means giving spontaneity a pass and never hitting "post" until you've let your post sit for a few minutes and reread it to make sure there is nothing in it that can be deliberately misconstrued for a hide.... at least until one of your hides has fallen off the chart.

Sometimes I wonder if the people who are targeting others are not supporters for Bernie or Hillary, but are those trying to create ill feelings between the two groups...

(on edit: this post was supposed to go to 1StrongBlackMan... really having computer problems this morning compounded by human error. )

Andy823

(11,495 posts)
205. I tend to agree with you
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 04:29 PM
Jul 2015

I think a lot of the crap going on around here is not from "real" supporters of Bernie, but from a group that wants nothing more than to stir things up, divide DU, and then sit back an gloat at their accomplishments. They are now going after O'Malley, along with Hillary.

 

Indydem

(2,642 posts)
325. Posts pointing out the issues..
Wed Jul 8, 2015, 10:58 AM
Jul 2015

... with certain candidates are being hidden at an alarming rate around here.

It is a disturbing trend when debate is squelched.

Purrfessor

(1,186 posts)
59. Knowing your history here, your always insightful posts, and the very civil way in which...
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 09:26 AM
Jul 2015

you conduct yourself, one might easily assume you have become a target of those who act out of envy rather than serious, intelligent debate.

Alerting on an innocuous comment to feign insult when debating the topic would be the proper response is a sign of laziness; it is so much easier to hit the alert button than construct a logical and convincing rebuttal.

 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
65. Can't
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 09:32 AM
Jul 2015

Been put out by s Skinner several times. He sees no evidence of alert stalking. But I too have been a victim of it. I had an apology hidden before, lol

tblue37

(64,860 posts)
271. I am almost always busy and rushed, so I used to refuse about half or more of the
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 09:36 PM
Jul 2015

times I was asked to serve as a juror. But I now always say yes unless I am actually ready to rush out the door, because I was on three juries in a row that were so obviously bogus alerts that I couldn't help thinking the alerter was deliberately trying to get a person's posts hidden even when they were not at all hideworthy.

Two of the posts that had been alerted on were by the same person, and that was someone who gets pile-on bullied and attacked here fairly frequently, so I felt sure the person was being alert stalked.

The other post was by a different person, but that person is also frequently bullied and attacked here, and I have often been a juror on posts by that person that should not have been alerted on, so I took the alert as evidence of possible (probable, really) alert stalking, too.

I am typically up reading in the ugly hours of the morning, since that's often my only "free" time, so I sacrifice sleep to read. That means I am asked to be a juror quite a lot. I have been appalled at how many close (4/3) votes hide innocuous posts.

So now I accept jury service as often as possible, just so I can at least attempt to protect people whose inoffensive posts are being improperly alerted on in an attempt to get them suspended.

 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
273. I do the same thing
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 09:55 PM
Jul 2015

Updated my jury blacklist and now back to 0 hides. Called on now for quite a few juries. Most do not even come close to a hide.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
293. I'm with you. I believe we should only remove posts when they are trolling or just too
Wed Jul 8, 2015, 01:11 AM
Jul 2015

outrageous, not when the post is merely argument and/or discussion. I generally will not vote to remove post unless it is really, really outrageous. A nasty post says more about eh person who posts than it does about the person to whom it is nasty although there are limits.

I have noticed that some DUers are overly sensitive about arguments. I am not. But I know that some people cannot bear arguments that seem to be disputes or dissension. I have a friend like that. I grew up in a mid-sized family with siblings. I am inured to disagreement. In fact, I thrive on it a bit because it makes me stop and think and understand how other people see things.

I don't carry grudges against people who have different points of view from my own. It is against my principles. I rarely, extremely rarely, almost never report a post on DU for any reason other than that it is an obvious troll. I just can't think of an occasion when I did that.

And I hope other people join us in this cautious approach. Some people actually get into arguments with other DUers that go on and on. And some are very intolerant of open discussion. If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen. I don't mean to be rude about that, but we need to be thick-skinned on DU. This is, as many know, not the first time that I have criticized DUers for intolerance of someone who has been on DU a long time, contributed a valid point of view or in another case made a mistake in making what seemed to me to be a stupid joke on DU.

Let's don't remove posts so quickly. Let's be tolerant. Let's remember we are here to learn how we can improve the world together and not to beat up on each other for our differing points of view.

Hope OneStrongBlackMan will be back soon. Forgive and forget -- or better yet, don't get mad in the first place.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
331. How are you able to determine who did the alert? I would have thought ...
Wed Jul 8, 2015, 04:53 PM
Jul 2015

as much as I get alerted on, I would have figured that out by now.

tblue37

(64,860 posts)
371. I couldn't tell who did the alert, just who had been alerted on. The one who had been
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 11:22 AM
Jul 2015

alerted on twice in a very short span is someone who is always getting bullied here, so after the second time I actually PMed that person to say that I had voted to leave both of the posts and that I was sorry that he/she (I am trying not to reveal details to indicate who the victim is) is always getting attacked and alert stalked, because it was obvious from those alerts that the person *was* being alert stalked.

The other post I mentioned was also made by someone whose posts are always getting alerted on and who also gets a lot of nasty responses to his/her posts.

Now, I have had several nice responses to my posts from the second person, but that person has also attacked one of my own quite innocuous posts, so I can see how some might have decided to go after him/her, especially since I've often seen that alert-stalked victim respond intemperately to others' posts, taking them to mean something ugly that they clearly did not mean. That person has a hair trigger on certain subjects, and if he/she misinterprets your post on one of those subjects, he/she can get quite unpleasant in his/her replies. Undoubtedly that is why he/she has "enemies" on DU who are willing to alert stalk him/her and to vote unfairly to hide posts by him/her that don't deserve a hide. It is also why some jurors who vote to hide his/her posts actually include personal attacks on the poster when offering an explanation for the hide. Frankly, it all seems very middle school to me.

I don't get personally riled up about comments on a message board. If they are directed at me, I just explain my point once more as clearly as I can, addressing the misinterpretation. Then, if the person still insists on misinterpreting what I said, I assume he/she is looking for a fight. But since I am never looking for a fight or an excuse to be outraged or offended, I just leave the field without further interaction. I am like that in real life too. I have almost no temper at all, and I don't enjoy the company of those who are always being offended without good reason, so I just avoid them. There are *plenty* of good reasons to be offended and outraged. There's no reason to waste time or energy on piddlydunk caca.

tblue37

(64,860 posts)
372. Oh, and just for the record, 1StrongBlackMan, you are one of the DU members whose
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 11:28 AM
Jul 2015

posts I am always impressed by. You, bigtree, H20 Man, Mr. Scorpio, MCamy Taylor, madfloridian, bravenak, and a handful of others are especially important to my experience of this board. I hope you don't let the unpleasantness drive you away. I would consider that to be a terrible loss--not just to me, but also to the quality of the discussion on DU.

lovemydog

(11,833 posts)
310. omfg
Wed Jul 8, 2015, 06:50 AM
Jul 2015

You had an apology hidden?

That's one of the funniest things I've ever read here.

If you get the chance to find it, I'd love to see it.



lovemydog

(11,833 posts)
314. Oh my gosh.
Wed Jul 8, 2015, 07:02 AM
Jul 2015

That's hilarious. Thanks.

Some of the responses, refusing to accept your apology, sound downright Stalinist. Not the kind of good-hearted humanistic democratic socialism that I like.

brush

(53,331 posts)
83. Hang in there. We'll back you.
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 10:08 AM
Jul 2015

Anyone know what can be done to resolve this silliness?

Bernie himself has begun responding to the very same critiques by mentioning his civil rights credentials.

 

Dr Hobbitstein

(6,568 posts)
121. It's obvious you're being targeted.
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 12:06 PM
Jul 2015

Hopefully, the admins will get to the bottom of this. The pygmy chimpanzee loves to race-bait, then accuse others of doing so when called out. The tactics that have been used against you here are disgusting.

Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #24)

GeoWilliam750

(2,519 posts)
157. It would seem to mean that you have something to say
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 01:51 PM
Jul 2015

That is worth hearing.

Keep speaking. We're listening.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
178. That was a bad hide
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 03:12 PM
Jul 2015

You see why I don't participate in the jury system here?

They say: You take your chances.

That's how it goes.

As for your reply to me, it did, imo, show a lack of respect. Not only for me, but for Bernie especially. Your whole thread showed a lack of respect for a very good man and politician who may just be our next president.

Better luck next time, eh?

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
192. Community values
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 03:50 PM
Jul 2015

It has been said that is what guides the jury system.

Disrespect and rude comments are bound to reap reactions.

I tiptoe all the time. And have been targeted. None of us are special.

brer cat

(24,337 posts)
245. Community values:
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 07:21 PM
Jul 2015

"Calling Hillary supporters piss fucking ignorant to their face!!" survived a jury. So much for disrespect and rude comments reaping reactions. Some of you act like 1SBM just happened to hit a bad jury...it happens all the time.

Warpy

(110,746 posts)
227. GD-P was like this in 2008, too
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 05:50 PM
Jul 2015

only we had moderators instead of juries. Now it depends on how many of whose partisans get onto a GD-P jury.

I've elected to trash it, let the zealots slug it out.

Yes, it was a bogus hide.

AikidoSoul

(2,150 posts)
250. I always read your posts and find them to be fair-minded, sometimes
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 07:45 PM
Jul 2015

challenging, but never hateful.

Keep posting.

I'm sorry that this is happening to you. You certainly don't deserve it.

I may have to accept a position as a juror to get into the whys.

Admiral Loinpresser

(3,859 posts)
183. As a fanatical Bernie backer,
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 03:39 PM
Jul 2015

I have to say KEEP POSTING. You don't need my encouragement, but you have it. This jury shit is getting out of hand. But the presidential cycle is heating up, so it's gonna get worse. I don't agree with everything you say, but I am inspired by someone like you who strongly tells his truth.

Efilroft Sul

(3,571 posts)
209. These "personal attack" or "over the top" alert reasons are being abused.
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 04:50 PM
Jul 2015

They're ridiculous and stalker-worthy. But I guess I just personally attacked some DU group with my over-the-top critique.

I'm on your side no matter which candidate you support. Real discussion should not be shut down with post hides.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
289. Thanks ...
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 11:45 PM
Jul 2015

But because my state's primary falls after Super Tuesday and most swing state primaries. So my preference won't really matter. As such, I will do as I always have done ... I will work GOTV/Voter registration efforts and campaign for whomever is the eventual Democratic nominee.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
228. I think you're like me, at this point.
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 05:51 PM
Jul 2015

We both have one foot out the door and don't even understand why we come here at all. Bain referred to DU as a "bad habit" to me in a PM and once again, she was right on the money.

So let loose! Be yourself! Speak your truth! The worse they can do is put you on time out. Your voice is needed here and intelligent people know that. But we also know that alot of other people whose voices were desperately needed are gone. DU has been in a death spiral for a long time. That AIN'T GONNA CHANGE.

I would LOVE to see who has you on ignore and these lunatics who alert on your every word. I bet it's a Who Who of DU Dumbasses that make this joint suck. But they know they are in the majority and that the admins have openly admitted they won't do anything. So why bother??

Didn't I tell you not to come back here?? You did and that's on you. But now that you're here BE YOURSELF. Don't monitor your words. Speak your truth.

That hide was bullshit but many of them are. So if you know that you're going to get hidden for sneezing in this place and if you are going to stick around here, then why filter yourself???? I have one hide and that one hide was IMMENSELY satisfying. I actually could have kept going with that individual until all five slots were gone. If you're going to keep coming to this cesspool, if you are going to keep wading in the muck, then BE YOU.

randys1

(16,286 posts)
229. The disgusting part of this is that anyone would report that, let alone 4 out of 7 vote
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 05:53 PM
Jul 2015

to hide.

If that is as thick a skin so called liberals have, then we are fucking doomed.

Cha

(295,543 posts)
263. Oh Shite! I could never see
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 09:06 PM
Jul 2015

the hide, either.. figured it was in a subthread where I had somebody on ignore.

Damn, 1StrongBlackMan.. I'm so sorry the alert police are trying to censor you.. and that goes straight to juries where there are "85% Bernie Supporters&quot got those stats from Skinner) on DU.. so you do the math. It's like a damn crap shoot stacked against us.. especially those who are more outspoken

It's a metaphorical mine field.. you can't say anything but agree with them or they'll alert on you. You last Hide is solid proof! And, Skinner says there's no abuse in the jury system.. or something to that effect. I'm so disappointed in his not being able to see that.

But, I am glad there are so many people Rec this thread, though.. At least these members don't want you silenced.



TheKentuckian

(24,904 posts)
391. That is alert stalker bullshit there and I say that as someone who disagrees with you more often
Mon Jul 27, 2015, 04:30 PM
Jul 2015

than not.

Plus, its not really your style, you can be snide and dismissive as the day is long but I'm not sure it is something that an ever be construed as anything like over the top or an attack really.

I'm sure you like anyone else can possibly go too far on occasion but I'd have to see the post and that one was bullshit.

I believe this tactic and a desire to silence disagreement is a problem. Alerting shouldn't be a game or an invitation to nanny.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
392. ...
Mon Jul 27, 2015, 05:08 PM
Jul 2015
I'm sure you like anyone else can possibly go too far on occasion ...


Who me? Never! I am the exemplar of decorum and artfully, skillful tongue!

TheBlackAdder

(28,028 posts)
249. It sounds like a few wolves in sheep's clothing have infiltrated DU.
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 07:41 PM
Jul 2015

.


Then again, I have notices that some are "highly sensitive" now to ANY slight. Any at all!

They get a fit of the vapors and whine for censorship. As an Electronic Frontier Foundation supported, this troubles me.


===


You have my support 1SBM.

blackspade

(10,056 posts)
267. OK, this is getting absurd.
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 09:27 PM
Jul 2015

There should not be alert stalking by anyone here at DU.
I don't agree with some of your stances on HRC of BHO and I'm sure you do not agree with some of my opinions or choice of candidates.
But, that's life.
I feel no need to see you or anyone else here booted for being opinionated.
Especially, over differences of opinion, however strongly worded.

To all here who alert stalk...knock it the fuck off. You do yourself and the DU membership a great disservice. Remember the golden rule, don't be an asshole.

Cha

(295,543 posts)
299. "Remember the golden rule, don't be and asshole"
Wed Jul 8, 2015, 03:34 AM
Jul 2015
"There should not be alert stalking by anyone here at DU."

No, there should not.

still_one

(91,807 posts)
276. I don't know what is happening, and it sure isn't fair. I personally refuse to take part in the
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 10:17 PM
Jul 2015

jury system here. Just reading the comments from some of the jury decisions, show that they are exerting their own personal bias in how they make their decisions. There is no consistency. It is a hit or miss, depending who gets selected on the jury.

I can see no personal attack.

I would hope that a GROUP forum would have some protections. That is the point, isn't it?

The Green Manalishi

(1,054 posts)
290. For some people it is simply IMPOSSIBLE to conceptually divide the two
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 11:59 PM
Jul 2015

Not defending, not attacking. To some, it's like trying to talk about light but not heat, electricity but not magnatism. I'm not sure I can really conceive of them being other than two different aspects of the same phenomena (but neither would I disparage someone making the argument that they are, I would just have a hard time agreeing with it because I would have a hard time processing it)

But then I'm about as middle class and white as you can get. I'm far from the only person who although progressive despite coming from relative affluence is going to see *EVER* issue through the lens of class first, race a distant second.

Stalkers suck, alert stalkers should be booted. Your posts are always thought provoking, well reasoned and well written.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
291. I largely agree ...
Wed Jul 8, 2015, 12:17 AM
Jul 2015

but it is not difficult for (the mainstream of) PoC to distinguish the two, regardless of economic class ... because we live the distinction. The affluent PoC lives with the same social injustice as the poor PoC, I just have good fortune to have the (financial and educational) resources to lighten/lessen the blow; but, it doesn't make the conversations with my daughter, any easier.

Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #24)

TexasProgresive

(12,147 posts)
6. I hope not
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 07:41 AM
Jul 2015

1StongBlackMan is one of those voices that should be heard. There needs to be an appeal process on these jury hides. To many great minds are being silence at DU. I can put up with a lot but there is a limit. Be careful 1StrongBlackMan, I have never read a post of yours worthy of hiding, but everyone I have read is worthy.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
108. In all fairness ...
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 11:20 AM
Jul 2015

I have posted things that were hide-worthy, particularly to a DUer, with whom I have made peace ... we still disagree ... a lot, but we are much more civil to one another.

calimary

(80,522 posts)
124. Yeah, but the point is - you made peace. And even better, "we are much more civil to one another."
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 12:22 PM
Jul 2015

Seems to me, as well, that you've been unfairly targeted. And that's a shame. Because we need your voice and your truth here!

A LITTLE MORE CIVILITY, PLEASE, GUYS!!! This is really becoming damaging - to the whole "Body DU," if you will. None of us will be of any use to any greater cause or candidate - or ANY such thing - if we're turning on each other. This is starting to open up the "Our Own Worst Enemy" Department. Hell, we're not gonna need Donald Trump or jebbie-and-wolfowitz or chris "Sit-Down-And-Shut-Up" or ted cruz or the teabaggers or any of that miserable lot! We're becoming more and more like that panel from the Pogo cartoon strip. We're seeing the enemy, and he/she is US.


abakan

(1,814 posts)
145. Well said TexasProgressive
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 01:16 PM
Jul 2015

I agree 100% we need 1StrongBlackMan's voice here, not silenced by intolerance.

TheCowsCameHome

(40,159 posts)
9. I see four hides, if I'm reading it correctly
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 07:49 AM
Jul 2015

He certainly stirred the pot with one post in particular post last evening.

TheCowsCameHome

(40,159 posts)
19. Yeah, I saw that.
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 08:24 AM
Jul 2015

Apparently the OP was upset about Portland's demographics and Bernie's speech before 9,000 supporters there.



crim son

(27,462 posts)
58. The OP looked at the basic demographics of the city
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 09:24 AM
Jul 2015

but (understandably) didn't research how the population of African Americans has become to be so much higher there than in the rest of the State. If he had, he'd know they are largely recent immigrants of the refugee variety, and have probably been in town for fewer than ten years. They have been in many cases poorly received and there's an excellent chance they have other things on their mind besides attending political rallies. An excellent chance.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,702 posts)
71. He pointed out that Portland Maine is a largely homogeneous city.
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 09:50 AM
Jul 2015

He pointed out that Portland Maine is a largely homogeneous city. That observation doesn't seem remarkable or controversial, your observations notwithstanding.

tazkcmo

(7,280 posts)
79. He ignored that.
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 10:03 AM
Jul 2015

He pointed out that once again, Sen. Sanders was addressing white crowds in early primary states where there are mostly white people and that it was a sign that the candidate is not concerned with PoC's interests. He's free to take that stand while I'm free to disagree.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
113. When have I said Bernie is not concerned about PoC's interests ...
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 11:33 AM
Jul 2015

Oh, that's right ... I keep IMPLYING it, despite my saying exactly what I have intended ... that Bernie's numbers among the mainstream of the Black electorate will continue to lag, so long as he gives little attention to the issues that Black folks rank higher than income inequality ... and when he does speak to social justice, he speaks of it in terms of economic justice.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
125. When I was in Law School ...
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 12:24 PM
Jul 2015

one of my most impactful experiences came in an Advanced Legal Reasoning (writing) course. The first day of the course, we were assigned to select a legal issue that we felt strongly about. We, then, spent the next month researching and writing on that topic (this work accounted for 25% of our final grade) ... Then, for the rest of the course, we had to research and answer all of our initial arguments (this accounted for 75% of our final grade).

Now ... Let's do the same thought experiment ... take a step outside of your self and ponder what else I, possibly, could be meaning by that?

Brainstorm interpretations, whether the responses seem plausible to you or not.

If you are up to the challenge, you can respond here.

tazkcmo

(7,280 posts)
131. I only know what you post
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 12:40 PM
Jul 2015

If you truly believe that Sen. Sanders does not care about non-whites then that's your issue, not mine. In the post I linked you hold up the fact that there are a whole bunches of white faces as proof that Sen. Sanders doesn't give a crap. You even note a "pattern". He's walked the walk, not just talked the talk but you continue to equate white audiences in white states as proof of his apathy for non-whites.

Again, if that's what you want to believe then it's your issue. Ignore his record. Ignore his votes. Ignore his history. I fully support your right to do so even while disagreeing with you. You could at least have the decency to own it.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
155. I've asked you to step outside yourself ...
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 01:48 PM
Jul 2015

to avail yourself of a growth opportunity ... you reject/avoid that, to argue the meaning of what I, and others, have already told you, and others that reached the same conclusion, that you have what I have been saying all wrong.

If you truly believe that Sen. Sanders does not care about non-whites then that's your issue, not mine.


Who has the "issue"?

brush

(53,331 posts)
127. Come on! You've got to have more depth than that
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 12:31 PM
Jul 2015

"Whoa hooo! Wake me when "minorities" get to play."

You can't be serious. That's all you got out of that post?

tazkcmo

(7,280 posts)
133. That's all there was.
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 12:43 PM
Jul 2015

Did I miss something else in the OP? I re-read it just in case. So, yes. That's what I got out of the words he wrote which I quoted.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
111. This ...
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 11:26 AM
Jul 2015
If he had, he'd know they are largely recent immigrants of the refugee variety, and have probably been in town for fewer than ten years. They have been in many cases poorly received and there's an excellent chance they have other things on their mind besides attending political rallies.


Is likely true ... and made MORE likely when they know what they will hear (i.e., economic justice, the rigged economic system and breaking up the banks ... and, oh yeah, Black youth unemployment, police brutality and mass incarceration of the poor and Blacks) is tangentially (at best) related to their being poorly received.

avebury

(10,941 posts)
118. The demographics of Maine have changed a lot,
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 11:51 AM
Jul 2015

even before I moved away in 1996. Not only was the population of African Americans increasing but there was a rise in Asians as well. I was on the jury and voted to hide it because I felt like the OP was rushing to judgment without conducting any research.

thucythucy

(7,948 posts)
151. You voted to hide a post because "the OP was rushing to judgement without conducting any research"?
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 01:41 PM
Jul 2015

That sounds to me like a definite abuse of the jury system.

Essentially, it seems you didn't like what someone was saying, so instead of debating it in the open, you decided to hide it and help silence the person making the argument, rather than dispute the argument itself.

If you want to dispute an OP: dispute it. Present your own "research" and argue it out in the open.

I think using a jury stint to silence someone with whom you disagree politically is very far from being progressive or democratic.

avebury

(10,941 posts)
202. Hey if someone alerts on a post
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 04:19 PM
Jul 2015

and I am on the jury I am going to vote up or down and from time to time bale on a jury when I don't have all day to even try to figure out why a post was alerted on. The post being alerted on insinuated certain things that I knew, from personal experience, was wrong. I think that Gov. Paul LePage has a lot of people (who are not familiar with Maine) convinced that Maine is an uber right wing tea party haven. When I am on my cell phone and not my computer you are just not going to see a lengthy response to anything, whether I am on a "jury" or not. Had I not gotten a "jury invite" I most likely wouldn't have even noticed the thread. I don't have the time or energy to read every thread on DU.

thucythucy

(7,948 posts)
222. Hey, if someone disagrees with you
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 05:41 PM
Jul 2015

I guess your response is to censor them, rather than to debate. Because you're just so very very busy.

If you're too busy "to figure out why a post was alerted on" maybe you just better pass on jury duty.

I'd hate to have you on a real jury.

"Hey, I'm busy. I voted guilty 'cause I just don't have time or energy to deal with all this 'evidence' BS."

Like I said, hardly progressive or Democratic.

JustAnotherGen

(31,631 posts)
22. Looks to me like 1Strong was the one alert swarmed
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 08:30 AM
Jul 2015

Race bait, flame bait, copy cat thread. It's divisive, unfounded and race trolling. The demographic make up of a state has jack shit to do with minorities "getting to play." This is offensive and over the top.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251428686#post22


And I think I love this juror


Explanation: This is the alert "It's divisive, unfounded and race trolling. The demographic make up of a state has jack shit to do with minorities "getting to play." This is offensive and over the top." You want to know what is over the top? Telling POC they have no place at the table. You tried this in the African American Group the other night. You are trying to shut them down. A PoC is asking questions about Bernie, questions for what Bernie would do for him and his family. He never got an answer he got swarmed. He was called a fake black man accused of being a Lee Atwater type. He was told he was race baiting. Here we go again 1StrongBlackMan brings up concerns and he is slapped down and told to shut up by the Bernies here. Not a pretty picture of the candidate or his supporters. I am beyond disgust. LEAVE IT!



The minute one accuses black people of race baiting they get thrown in the trash pile and I no longer consider them my ally.

Major Nikon

(36,814 posts)
89. The powers that be have said the evidence of alert trolling is scant
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 10:15 AM
Jul 2015

...and even in the unlikely event there is such things as alert trolls, the controls in place will throttle their efforts. I'm not sure if I really believe that, but the admins do review all alerts, so I'm sure they know about whatever patterns exist with those who try to wear out the alert button. One can only hope they will get their due someday and it will send a loud and clear message.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,201 posts)
190. How can Admin know that these attacks aren't coordinated at other sites? I can think of two....
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 03:48 PM
Jul 2015

right off the top of my head. Even the "safe havens" aren't safe anymore.

Major Nikon

(36,814 posts)
238. There's also the tactic of multiple DUers sharing passwords for sock accounts
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 06:25 PM
Jul 2015

I think the answer to your question is often they don't know and people manage to get away with it, and sometimes even when they get caught they still manage not to get the boot.

cstanleytech

(26,027 posts)
279. So you think its more likely that someone is coordinating to get a DU member banned? Why?
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 10:28 PM
Jul 2015

If the poster was someone important at a state or national level I suppose it could happen but if they arent important why bother?
Afterall wouldnt you need alot of people to monitor the forums 24/7 and follow that single poster waiting like a spider hoping against hope that they will screw up so a post of theirs can be reported and hidden?
Besides that there is whole jury thing which you would think counter such an effort because the jury system is anonymous and random unless someone has found a to hack it.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
115. The post that you are responding to and the one it is defending ...
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 11:42 AM
Jul 2015

is a perfect example of what I mentioned here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/118717346#post57

And the response to the OP, is a perfect example of what I mentioned here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/118717415#post1

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
109. I notice that one of alert gang has 3 hides herself.
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 11:21 AM
Jul 2015

So you know the expression what goes around, comes around? It's karmic.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,201 posts)
184. How do you tell how many hides a poster has when the transparency page is not displayed?
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 03:40 PM
Jul 2015

I looked at the profile, but it didn't mention how many hides the poster has. TIA.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
186. If you are viewing someone's Profile Information page,
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 03:44 PM
Jul 2015

there is a subsection under "Statistics and Information" entitled "Jury" - next to that is "Chance of Serving on Juries:" with a percentage and &quot explain)" - click on explain, and if there are any hidden posts, you will see that since it affects the percentage.

Let me know if that is unclear.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
216. Bonobo's "contribution" to that thread was to accuse a black man of "race baiting"
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 05:24 PM
Jul 2015

Every single freaking post of his doing so should have been hidden.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
353. BJ!!!
Wed Jul 8, 2015, 09:19 PM
Jul 2015


Girl, don't you know the best way to counter alert stalking is by alert stalking???! Tuck the little ones in before you see the horrors contained within my latest hidden post!! The delicate flowers that were so upset by this won't be able to eat for a week! http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1187&pid=17799

"they're swarming the shit out of this place"


And they can have it too.

Bobbie Jo

(14,341 posts)
355. Utter blasphemy!!
Wed Jul 8, 2015, 09:39 PM
Jul 2015

But....gotta say

BWAAAAAAAAAAAHH

You do know your way around the turn of a phrase.

Total bullshit hide, but damn - that's why I just love you to pieces.

Go down swinging, I always say...

Number23

(24,544 posts)
357. Do you think it's safe to let the kids out of their room now?? We wouldn't want the little darlings
Wed Jul 8, 2015, 10:03 PM
Jul 2015

to be traumatized by the horrors of that hidden post!

that's why I just love you to pieces.


Back atcha baby!!

randys1

(16,286 posts)
236. See that now, thanks. As to hides, any suggestion that white people in America
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 06:12 PM
Jul 2015

regardless of political stripe, are part of a privileged class all of whom are receiving privilege on a daily basis, is something that many here wont tolerate.

When someone points out that the white group of assholes in Murietta CA demanding those children be turned back to certain death, are terrible fucking racists, one could get a hide.

Imagine if a POC said some of the things I have seen white people like me say, whoa nellie.

kaiden

(1,314 posts)
11. I love 1StrongBlackMan!
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 07:56 AM
Jul 2015

He often questions the inherent gospel of the inalienable rights of white folk. And for that, I thank him forever.

Response to kaiden (Reply #11)

JustAnotherGen

(31,631 posts)
29. Group Host - please back away from this group and this thread
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 08:43 AM
Jul 2015

Thanks.

This is due to the 'ratphucker' (basically rat fucker) accusation lodged here. I'm up to five pm's regarding this thread.

Best thing is - if you are a member of the Sanders group would be to do a meta thread there.

Thanks again!

JustAnotherGen

(31,631 posts)
39. No need to delete - and
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 08:56 AM
Jul 2015

If anyone else responds to your post send me a pm and I'll give them the same message.

Response to bahrbearian (Reply #13)

JustAnotherGen

(31,631 posts)
28. Group Host - please back away from this group and this thread
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 08:41 AM
Jul 2015

You can block DemSinceBirth


You can put this entire group in Trash


Thanks -greatly appreciate it - have actual work to do today.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,702 posts)
25. FIXED
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 08:36 AM
Jul 2015

By far one of my favorite people...


I know a bit about his real life persona. What he has done with his life and for his community is remarkable. He is the embodiment of the American dream and the fulfillment of the dreams of Lincoln, Martin, and Malcolm.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
33. +1
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 08:49 AM
Jul 2015

There are a handful of posters here that I always read and rarely ever post replies to. They simply know more about topics I am interested in and are willing to be educational and thorough in their posting. This poster is one of them. I had a discussion behind the scene with someone not long ago about this. I sent them a message telling them I always read their posts and find them to be very educational. In their reply, they told me they weren't sure if anyone read them except for their detractors and thanked me for letting them know I enjoyed reading their work.

I will put this here for 1strong: I love reading your work here. You are educational and your posts have taught me things. Keep it up.

murielm99

(30,617 posts)
179. I agree on that.
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 03:16 PM
Jul 2015

I don't always respond to 1strong, H20Man, Omaha Steve, or McCamy Taylor. I read what they write. When I do respond, it is to ask questions or kick the thread.

We should be coming here to learn, not to fight.

JustAnotherGen

(31,631 posts)
26. In case you are up . . .
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 08:40 AM
Jul 2015

Sanders (Rev Al kept pronouncing it as Saunders last night) was on MSNBC. So we are watching as we are making dinner.

And my Gio - bless his heart - is watching intently.

It was a question about race - and why he's not attracting that crowd - and The Gio goes -

But he didn't answer the question. He went to economic policy and started talking about free college.

Me - and so what?

Him - those people haven't prepared black kids for college. Shut this nonsense off.



Which lead to a discussion about how Bernie was talking about 'not being on a street corner doing drugs blah blah' . . .

Sanders has three points of light - that's it. He's so focused on college that he can't get around to admitting that even during the Clinton Admin (he was a Member of the House that entire time) urban and rural children were getting the shaft. They weren't getting the best BASIC education . . . Now they aren't prepared for two or four year college.



SusanCalvin

(6,592 posts)
73. Thank you for the information.
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 09:54 AM
Jul 2015

I also heard a talking head interview a week or so ago (I was tipped off by this group, IIRC) where he had an opening you could drive a truck through to address race, and didn't.

Someone who has his ear needs to speak to him about this. I hope he would listen.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,201 posts)
207. Thanks for reporting. I switched channels cuz I thought Rev was gonna gush over BS' "crowds".
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 04:46 PM
Jul 2015

It's good to hear he asked him a REAL question. Oh, and I agree with Gio....."Shut this nonsense off". I had been doing the same thing with Rachel, and finally removed her from my DVR lineup.

JustAnotherGen

(31,631 posts)
244. Yeah - he blasted some Muddy!
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 07:19 PM
Jul 2015


I'm a mannish boy sung in an off key Italian accent no Buono!

Him wasn't happy with the dodge, deflect, and defer. Understand - he's extremely close with my nephews. He's been pissed for about two years . . .

Number23

(24,544 posts)
237. I like your Gio more each day.
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 06:13 PM
Jul 2015


those people haven't prepared black kids for college.

Seems like such a common sense point. And yet....

Tarheel_Dem

(31,201 posts)
31. 1SBM is a huge target. He doesn't "toe the line", if you know what I mean. I had a post hidden...
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 08:47 AM
Jul 2015

after that kickoff event for BS, and another post hidden for noting the glaring similarities of BS' audiences. All very homogenous, and it could be that's where he's choosing to spend his time, because he's most popular in that particular environment. Good for him. He should go where he's in demand.

As for DU'ers like 1SBM daring to ask questions about someone seeking the highest office in the land? How dare he. Since they obviously don't like what they read in this "protected group", why don't they just trash it, and save themselves the trouble of being confronted with inconvenient truths?

I trashed the BS Group and GDP, and it made the DU experience so much nicer. I have a feeling that since we're avoiding their groups and forums, they're really bored with the echo chamber effect, so they've taken to baiting in this forum, the HRC Group, and the BOG.

What we discuss here should be protected, and perhaps should be by invitation. Alert swarming sucks!

Tarheel_Dem

(31,201 posts)
146. You wouldn't think we'd be dragged back to that by a group of enlightened "liberals", would ya?
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 01:17 PM
Jul 2015

It's clear to anyone, with the slightest bit of gray matter between the ears, that you have been selected. Maybe they think taking you out will be suitable revenge for SKP? Who knows? It's a very uncomfortable position to be in, but stopping conversation here at DU won't stop the conversation offline. That's what barbershops & beauty salons were made for. If you want to gauge opinion in our community, just go get your hair did.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
174. I know ...
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 02:57 PM
Jul 2015

as I indicated ... I was in the Barbershop, this past Friday ... of course, politics was talked.

Everyone in the shop was Black and everyone knew, both, who Bernie is, about his organizational membership, about his marching with MLK, and his current political positions.

Every one was luke warm to him ... and it had nothing to do with thinking he is "racist" or any particular love for HRC.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,201 posts)
182. Reception to BS will continue to be "lukewarm"; his 55 y.o. civil rights dossier notwithstanding.
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 03:34 PM
Jul 2015

There's not going to be any sudden awakening to BS outside the angry white male who never gave a shit about income inequality until they were the ones getting burned. We know BS, and declarations to the contrary are insulting.

There's a reason BS is sticking to certain enclaves. I don't blame him. He's popular there. But the mere suggestion that his campaign seems a little insensitive, suddenly becomes an accusation that someone called Bernie a racist. I still haven't seen the post where that happened. Admittedly, I trashed the BS Group & GDP, so I may have missed it.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
191. I suspect the campaign bet is ...
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 03:50 PM
Jul 2015

after looking at the non-voting numbers, they can pull enough disaffected white males and disengaged, non-voters, to cancel out the lost Black vote and get them through the primaries ... knowing that Black people will do what we always have done ... vote for the Democratic nominee.

It's a gamble that paid off in Reagan (though for very different reason) and very similar to FDR's 1936 run.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
199. I didn't say it's a smart strategy or a wise gamble ...
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 04:09 PM
Jul 2015

but it is not without precedent.

{Please note ... I AM NOT SAYING THAT BERNIE OR HIS CAMPAIGN IS RACIST.}

Tarheel_Dem

(31,201 posts)
201. "{Please note ... I AM NOT SAYING THAT BERNIE OR HIS CAMPAIGN IS RACIST.}"
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 04:12 PM
Jul 2015

I'm thinking of making that my sig line.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
319. I figured it was add the sig line; or, change ...
Wed Jul 8, 2015, 08:07 AM
Jul 2015

my screen-name ... every time I post, that is what some people read.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
219. No, you didn't miss a damn thing.
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 05:32 PM
Jul 2015
But the mere suggestion that his campaign seems a little insensitive, suddenly becomes an accusation that someone called Bernie a racist. I still haven't seen the post where that happened.

That's because no one has EVER called him a racist. What you're seeing now is the same thing that's always been there. Whenever someone with melanin tries to even discuss Bernie's lack of attention to minority communities, some white person comes flying out of nowhere to scream that people are "calling him a racist."

The varnish on Sanders is so thin that even ASKING QUESTIONS IMPORTANT TO OUR COMMUNITY is considered painting him as a racist. THIS kind of shit is why racism will never go away.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,201 posts)
232. Like I told 1SBM, just because you shut down the conversation here doesn't mean the conversation....
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 05:56 PM
Jul 2015

isn't happening. It is indeed happening, and the results aren't good for BS. I think Jonathan Capehart put it best when he called Bernie "a novelty". And like most novelties, they wear off. He could have been much more than that, but I fear the strong & almost exclusive attention paid to the Thom Hartmann demographic has sealed his fate.

As a person of color, I can't look at those rallies and feel included, and nothing will stop me from saying that. If you're threatened by the mere question about the lack of diversity, then you don't represent me, and I certainly don't want a Ron Paul knock-off occupying Democratic space. The angry white Reagan Democrat is not representative of today's Democratic Party. For all the talk about third way, DLC, blah..blah..blah. Why would "liberals" want to attract more of that? And that's what I see when I look at BS' "crowds".

"THIS kind of shit is why racism will never go away."


Speak on it!

Number23

(24,544 posts)
295. Oh, you got that right. "just because you shut down the conversation HERE
Wed Jul 8, 2015, 02:22 AM
Jul 2015

doesn't mean the conversation isn't happening."

Tell it! I just got another jury hide. http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1187&pid=17799

Didn't you know that alert stalking is a FABULOUS way to prove that there is no alert stalking??! I'm sure that person who had to "think hard" before alerting on my horribly terrible posts is just besides themselves.

The angry white Reagan Democrat is not representative of today's Democratic Party.

The Archie Bunker types, huh? Relics of a long gone age. JAG talks about that here http://www.democraticunderground.com/118716410

But you have simply GOT to read this tweet. Sums it all up perfectly:

https://twitter.com/root_e/status/610952784410710016

Tarheel_Dem

(31,201 posts)
326. I love that tweet!
Wed Jul 8, 2015, 11:07 AM
Jul 2015


Talk about a BS hide (no pun intended). Yet, we're told there's no evidence of alert stalking. There was nothing personal in that post. The new strategy seems to be if we can't win you over, we'll make you disappear? How does that help?
 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
339. I have to disagree ...
Wed Jul 8, 2015, 05:42 PM
Jul 2015
I think Jonathan Capehart put it best when he called Bernie "a novelty". And like most novelties, they wear off.


I know people that still have a Pet Rock and a couple Mood Rings!

As a person of color, I can't look at those rallies and feel included, and nothing will stop me from saying that.


Well ... Just wait! He will eventually get to venues where the surround demographics are <90 white ... and there will likely be a few Black folks and Latinos in the audience ... but in the mean time, Bernie could be more welcoming (to PoC - beyond DU) if he would devout more of his address to talking about racial issues, in non-economic terms.

{Wandering thought ... I wonder what would happen if at his next public event, he flipped the script and spoke for 50 minutes on racial injustice, and 10 minutes on economic justice, the rigged system, breaking up the banks, etc?

I suspect Black folks would take note and Bernie's supporters would walk out saying }

Tarheel_Dem

(31,201 posts)
340. He'd lose about half his support. That's not what his audiences come to hear. As for the.....
Wed Jul 8, 2015, 06:10 PM
Jul 2015

conversation they keep trying to shut down? It's happening whether BS and his followers choose to acknowledge it or not.

Why Bernie Sanders’s Momentum Is Not Built to Last
by Nate Cohn............JULY 8, 2015


Bernie Sanders is surging. He trailed Hillary Rodham Clinton by as much as 50 points in the polls a few months ago, but he has pulled within 10 points in New Hampshire, according to some surveys. He has doubled his support in Iowa over the last month. The signs of his support are palpable: Last week, about 10,000 people attended an event in Madison, Wis., and he announced that he raised $15 million in the first three months of his campaign.

But the Sanders surge is about to hit a wall: the rank and file of the Democratic primary electorate.

Without Support From Black Voters, Obama Would Have Been Crushed

He would have lost by more than 20 percentage points to Hillary Clinton. New Hampshire and Iowa would have been among his best states.

<snip>.....
But the Democratic primary electorate is nothing like Madison or Burlington, Vt. It’s not even much like New Hampshire or Iowa, where a liberal Democratic primary candidate can compete or even win. Elsewhere, the party includes a large number of less educated, more religious — often older, Southern or nonwhite — voters who are far from uniformly liberal. That’s true whether judged by ideological self-identification or by their actual policy views.

<snip>.....
But Mr. Sanders’s problem runs a lot deeper than name recognition. A lot of these Democrats just aren’t consistently liberal, as the polling data suggests. It is not at all clear that a self-described socialist would fare well in the affluent, well-educated, socially liberal but fiscally moderate communities where Mr. Obama and even Bill Bradley excelled.

It is even harder to imagine how Mr. Sanders could replicate the strength among black voters that was essential to Mr. Obama’s success. Mr. Sanders has struggled to inch out of the single digits among nonwhite voters in national surveys.



http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/09/upshot/why-bernie-sanderss-momentum-is-not-built-to-last.html?_r=0&abt=0002&abg=0

Tarheel_Dem

(31,201 posts)
360. The fact that Nate Cohn isn't black might help dispel some of the myths & accusations.
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 12:07 AM
Jul 2015



Number Cruncher
Writer/Journalist
Washington, District Of Columbia


 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
336. LOL ...
Wed Jul 8, 2015, 05:29 PM
Jul 2015
Whenever someone with melanin tries to even discuss Bernie's lack of attention to minority communities, some white person comes flying out of nowhere to scream that people are "calling him a racist."


And reminds us he marched with the Good Reverend Doctor and was a member of SNCC (until he grew frustrated with them because of they insistence on focusing on race)! ... Don't forget that!

randys1

(16,286 posts)
342. Noticed that, did you. You know like I have said, I dont think Bernie is one bit less concerned
Wed Jul 8, 2015, 06:53 PM
Jul 2015

about racial injustice as Hillary is, but that is easy for me to say or observe, given racial injustice has ZERO direct impact on my life.

Today I am hearing that Bernie said America needs to apologize for slavery.

This is a start, I say apologize and reimburse.

I do get a kick out of watching white people lecture to Black people about what Black people should and should not think or care about.

druidity33

(6,428 posts)
272. "BS is sticking to certain enclaves"
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 09:42 PM
Jul 2015

I thought those were mostly early Primary states? Of course you could make the argument that early Primary states are "certain enclaves" and then deduce from there. My impression is that his audience thus far is the people who have already been listening to his message (pre-Presidential run) and their immediate friends and family. As a supporter, i expect his rhetoric will resonate with more folk as time passes. Of course he will adjust his focus... i think he will spend more time on these issues as he wends through the south. We'll just have to see.



JustAnotherGen

(31,631 posts)
362. Is Maine an early primary state?
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 04:36 AM
Jul 2015

And I would suggest his supporters in the North demand he come to their states too -


https://www.census.gov/newsroom/releases/archives/2010_census/cb11-cn185.html

     The 10 states with the largest black alone-or-in-combination populations in 2010 were New York (3.3 million), Florida (3.2 million), Texas (3.2 million), Georgia (3.1 million), California (2.7 million), North Carolina (2.2 million), Illinois (2.0 million), Maryland (1.8 million), Virginia (1.7 million) and Ohio (1.5 million). Among these states, four experienced substantial growth between 2000 and 2010. The black alone-or-in-combination population in Florida grew by 29 percent, Georgia by 28 percent, Texas by 27 percent and North Carolina by 21 percent.


NY
CA
IL
MD (mid Atlantic)
OH

He should also be made aware of the reverse migration of educated black folks - we tend to be the children (now its going to the grandchildren) of the tail end of the great migration. IE our parents came "up South" in the 60's and 70's because with their collegiate diplomas could only get hired in NY, OH, MI, etc etc.

He needs to speak to parts of GA(hot lanta), TX (telecom), and NC (research triangle) as educated black northerners.

If I look at my prep school class (1991) and the African Americans in that class - I'm the only one who stayed North (NJ) but still moved 450 miles away from home for better job opportunities. Everyone else - MD, DC, GA, TX, NC, and who knew - Nashville.

Regardless - race matters in NY. And in MI. And in Philly and Pitt. And in Cleveland and Cincinatti.

And guess what - those are states that are gonna vote blue. If a Democratic candidate doesn't nail down NY in a GE they are a failure. Epic failure.

druidity33

(6,428 posts)
364. No, but it is next door to Vermont...
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 06:00 AM
Jul 2015

you know, the state Bernie serves in the Senate for. Bernie losing NY? When was the last time NY voted for an R in the General? Reagan? Bernie is not going to lose a blue state to Jeb or Ted, sorry.



btw, race matters EVERYWHERE. Not just in NY, you know it even matters in Maine.



JustAnotherGen

(31,631 posts)
366. It could happen
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 07:16 AM
Jul 2015

If I follow Bernie's advice - and to vote based upon how my family is doing and not skin color -

Then I shouldn't be a Democratic Party member.

I'm a Democratic Party member due to my strong opinions on climate change, infrastructure and social issues.

Just saying - if you are as strong and as hip deep in the Sanders campaign - you should volunteer to go knock on doors in Alphabet soup in Rochester NY, or down in Camden NJ, or the South Side of Chicago.

I've made clear to the O'Malley campaign I can do NH, Camden, Newark, Rochester, and Buffalo.


No other comments other than - it's close to Vermont?

I'm not surprised - there is an unwillingness to listen to black folks who are telling you - what Rick Perry just said is HUGE. As is - that tens of millions of dollars given to the UNCF by the Koch brothers last year. And I believes it's Charles Koch who is questioning (seriously questioning) our criminal INjustice system.

That UNCF donation - that was shot gun blast . . .

druidity33

(6,428 posts)
369. i can't follow what you're talking about...
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 10:12 AM
Jul 2015

Of course i'm volunteering for Bernie. I will be in NH and phone-banking for him when the time comes. When you dismissed Maine as a state worth campaigning in, i noted perhaps it was convenient for him to stop in now... because, you know, he happens to live nearby. Are we not doing this "50 state strategy" anymore? If his objective is to move the Overton window, shouldn't he be doing that wherever he can?

As for the skin color comment, i really don't know where that's coming from or how to respond to it. I truly believe that commenters who believe Bernie doesn't care about Race Matters are being overly punitive. In what way do you think Bernie would vote AGAINST any progressive Race legislation? In what ways has he (a Primary candidate, mind) failed to address your concerns in regard to Race. I really am curious here... he has a record that is easy to look up.



JustAnotherGen

(31,631 posts)
370. The skin color comment was made by Senator Sanders
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 10:31 AM
Jul 2015

There's a post by sheshe here in the op (made last night should be easy to find) where a quote in context was made.

I don't dismiss Maine as a state worth campaigning in - I've just VERY clearly - VERY CLEARLY pointed out that if he has moment or two -he might want to make headway in some of the states that we know are going to go for Hillary - without a fight from O'Malley or Sanders supporters. And those states - have black people living in them in the top 1% - down to the last, the least, and the lost.

I seriously don't know if the Democratic Party intends to do the 50 state strategy - if Senator Sanders is as part of his primary campaign - kudos to him. As a Democratic Party member - I think this election is about realizing you can't win Mississippi - but you better go genitalia to the walls in Michigan, Ohio, PA, NJ, VA, MD, etc. etc.

And in regards to Sanders addressing race - He's not really an option for me at all. It has LESS to do with race and much more to do with him having three bullet points for American success.

I want to see a 10 page document on his financial/economy approach.

And I need to see him put Green Infrastructure Development/Renewal (requires skilled blue collar labor, can be isolationist in it's approach to hiring i.e. no visas necessary, and if done as a New Deal type of program - could be highly paid positions) plan out there.

Now here's the thing - that's NOT what appeals to his voters. It's bankers, financial equality, labor (as it exists today). He's GOT to go with that. And that's what is working for him.

It won't work for me. September 2017 middle class kids who received excellent public educations are college ready. They will go - debt free *cross fingers* for 4-6 years. But September/October 2017 - I'd like to see a lot of kids making $15 to $20 an hour soldering (because we've trained them on OUR dime - not theirs) to weld solar shingles at Elon Musk's factory up in Buffalo.

I know - radical idea - but it's one O'Malley is in front of Sanders and Clinton on. So there's no need to give me a song and dance about Clinton and Sanders when they got to the stage too late to give me a high kick.


ETA - here's the clip - it's really good - go over to NPR
http://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2014/11/19/365024592/sen-bernie-sanders-on-how-democrats-lost-white-voters
This subtitle comes from NPR - not mine: On African-American support for Democrats

Well, here's what you got. What you got is an African-American president, and the African-American community is very, very proud that this country has overcome racism and voted for him for president. And that's kind of natural. You've got a situation where the Republican Party has been strongly anti-immigration, and you've got a Hispanic community which is looking to the Democrats for help.

But that's not important. You should not be basing your politics based on your color. What you should be basing your politics on is, how is your family doing? ... In the last election, in state after state, you had an abysmally low vote for the Democrats among white, working-class people. And I think the reason for that is that the Democrats have not made it clear that they are prepared to stand with the working-class people of this country, take on the big money interests. I think the key issue that we have to focus on, and I know people are uncomfortable about talking about it, is the role of the billionaire class in American society.



Who is speaking to there? White people? Who are disenchanted with the outreach made by the Democratic Party to the minority community? Black people - believe it or not - we don't all live in the ghetto. . . if he's talking to us -he just told me to go vote for Rand Paul - because that's where my family's financial interests lay.

JustAnotherGen

(31,631 posts)
379. Just remember these threads - Journal Primaries and GE
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 03:17 PM
Jul 2015

When the General Election rolls around . . .

Or -when the Primary Republican Rallies look the same . . .


I guess folks are gonna have to keep their fingers still because if it's not right to point it out about one - it's not right to point it out about another.


Tarheel_Dem

(31,201 posts)
380. I've said before...if you took BS off the stage, and put Donald Trump in his place, the audience....
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 03:37 PM
Jul 2015

would look exactly the same. I don't know why that simple observation makes some people so upset. I've heard several commentators & strategists over the past couple of weeks make this observation. They talk about the hate mail and nasty tweets they get from BS "supporters" for simply pointing out the very homogenous appearance of BS' rallies. They call in to NPR and want the media to discuss the size of BS' crowds, just not what they look like. I would suggest that the time spent trying to shut down the discussion, would be much better spent trying to rectify it.

It was pointed out last night on Rev Al's show that while huge crowds is very exciting, the folks in attendance won't be the deciding factor in the primaries, and certainly not the GE.

Obama put together an amazing coalition that yielded 3 out of 4 Latinos; 3 out of 4 Asian Americans; and the black vote was off the charts. BS is not speaking to me, and if polling is to be believed, he's not speaking to huge majorities of us.

 

Android3.14

(5,402 posts)
37. The question is whether intentionally & falsely framing a person as a racist violates the guidelines
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 08:55 AM
Jul 2015

If so, then 1SBM is facing the consequences of his own decisions. Poutrage is nothing but.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,702 posts)
72. By discussing the demographics of a particular city?
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 09:53 AM
Jul 2015

If I said I live in Los Angeles and there are a lot of Latinos, African Americans, Latinos, and Asians does that make me a racist?

 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
86. You are very selective
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 10:12 AM
Jul 2015

He does have a history of tying it to Bernie and by inference calling him racist, yes.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
105. I have made a similar observation.
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 11:11 AM
Jul 2015

His events are located in places where there are very few black people. We notice when nobody in the crowd looks like us. Hard not to notice.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,702 posts)
107. If I said I don't expect to see Kanye at the Grande Ole Opry soon.
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 11:16 AM
Jul 2015

Does that mean I believe him or they (Grand Ole Opry fans) are racists?

 

Android3.14

(5,402 posts)
102. All in good time
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 11:02 AM
Jul 2015

I'm asking if falsely portraying someone as a racist is acceptable on DU. Let's answer that question before we begin debating whether 1SBM did that.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,702 posts)
106. It not only one would be unacceptable here. It would/should be unacceptable anywhere.
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 11:13 AM
Jul 2015

Woe to me to speak for 1SBM but I believe the gravamen of his argument is that Senator Sanders is campaigning in homogeneous areas because he feels that is where he will get the warmest receptions. I don't see anything particularly remarkable or controversial about that observation. That's why you shouldn't expect Eminem to be performing at the Grand Ole Opry or Garth Brooks playing at the Apollo.


 

Android3.14

(5,402 posts)
116. Actually, the gravamen (thanks for the new word) is that Bernie is a racist
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 11:47 AM
Jul 2015

Actually, the gravamen (thanks for the new word) is that 1SBM is portraying Bernie as a racist because he is campaigning in areas that 1SBM disapproves.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,702 posts)
119. Respectfully, I don't see how you can make that inference...
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 11:54 AM
Jul 2015

ISBM merely stated that Senator Sanders is campaigning in areas he finds he is the most welcomed.

 

Android3.14

(5,402 posts)
132. Let's have us a gentleperson's agreement
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 12:41 PM
Jul 2015

I'll avoid treating you as stupid if you do the same for me, respectfully.

What 1SBM actually "merely" did was write the following -

"Whoa hooo! Wake me when "minorities" get to play. (Just noting the pattern continues.)"

In this direct quote, 1SBM implies that Sanders is a racist by keeping non-whites away. By the conditions we agreed to, that intentionally and falsely painting someone as a racist is worthy of censure, there is a strong argument that 1SBM is simply facing the consequences of his ill-considered words.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,702 posts)
153. ISBM is not suggesting Senator Sanders is a racist.
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 01:45 PM
Jul 2015

I don't believe ISBM is suggesting Senator Sanders is a racist. I do believe he is suggesting that Senator Sanders isn't prioritizing issues of importance to his community. It seems to some of us that Senator Sanders believes that everything is subsumed under the class struggle when in fact a lot of challenges minority folks face is independent of it...

"The Man" represents a lot more than one percent of the population.


ISBM really needs to pipe in... I don't think minority folks lay all their problems at the feet of the 1% and I don't think they spend much time thinking about them.


 

Android3.14

(5,402 posts)
161. We will just have to agree to disagree
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 02:00 PM
Jul 2015

I'll have to accept that you believe ""Whoa hooo! Wake me when "minorities" get to play. (Just noting the pattern continues.)" has the rather benign interpretation of "Senator Sanders isn't prioritizing issues of importance to his community", though I cannot fathom how you came to that conclusion.

Thanks for the interaction.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
168. In fact, I have said more times than I can recall that ...
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 02:28 PM
Jul 2015

I do not believe Senator Sanders is a racist.

I don't think minority folks lay all their problems at the feet of the 1% and I don't think they spend much time thinking about them.


That is an accurate statement ... and truth be told, I don't think any working class person spends much time thinking about the 1%.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,702 posts)
170. Probably because there are dozens of layers between them
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 02:32 PM
Jul 2015
That is an accurate statement ... and truth be told, I don't think any working class person spends much time thinking about the 1%.


Probably because there are dozens of layers between them. I suspect you really have to be closer to them to really dislike em...


Jamaal510

(10,893 posts)
283. The way I
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 10:35 PM
Jul 2015

look at it, not all so-called 1%ers are malevolent, and not all so-called 99%ers are on my side or share my interests. There are 1%ers like Warren Buffet and the owners of Ben and Jerry's who are perfectly willing to pay higher taxes, see stiffer regulations, higher minimum wages, etc., and there are 99%ers who oppose those things for whatever reasons. That's why I never saw the whole situation as the 99% vs the 1%.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
346. If you think noting THAT is racist, then you really do not understand how awful
Wed Jul 8, 2015, 08:04 PM
Jul 2015

Real racism is. There's no planet that POC could speak to their concerns without you seeming their words racist. RWs pull this shit trying to silence POC all the time.
It's nonsense. No one called Bernie a racist.

 

Android3.14

(5,402 posts)
365. Who is calling who what?
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 06:28 AM
Jul 2015

1SBM implies Sanders is racist, as evidenced by the direct quote upthread. I have implied 1SBM intentionally made the false accusation, which is unfair and disruptive on 1SBM's part. Why he did this is probably related to the struggle between Clinton and Sander supporters.

Who accused 1SBM of being racist?

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
368. You misunderstood SBM, as others using the words "race card" did.
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 09:58 AM
Jul 2015

He is not saying Sanders is a racist. He's saying he hasn't reached out (and discussed uniquely social issues thus far) he's not even arranged opportunities to have much of the black community get to know him. He's managed to avoid idivwrse crowds so far.
And while it maybe because of the demographics of the early primary cities it is stl the gods honest truth. It is what it is.
He doesn't deserve to be stalked like this because people are uncomfortable with the truth.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
123. +1 ...
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 12:14 PM
Jul 2015

Keep speaking ... you hit the nail on the head. Hell ... It's pretty much what I've been saying.

And, I think that is a wise strategy! Staying in largely homogenous states (both, in terms of race AND liberalism) allows one to speak to big and friendly crowds (not saying that going to SC or CA or NY, his crowds would be any smaller or any less friendly) building buzz for the next event.

But the campaigns calculation is ... if going to SC or CA or NY doesn't (significantly) change his numbers among Black folks and Latino folks, they cannot rely on the "they just don't know him" narrative ... But more damaging, he will lose those in the Democratic Party that recognize the Black and Latino vote is essential to a General Election win.

But the campaign is running out of qualifying states, i.e., low minority population with high liberal population.

Koinos

(2,791 posts)
138. It seems significant to me that...
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 12:52 PM
Jul 2015

...he spoke to a large crowd in Madison, Wisconsin, but did not speak in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. Those are both very liberal cities, but with very different demographics.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
147. You noticed that? So did I ...
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 01:28 PM
Jul 2015

Next stop ... Warick, Rhode Island:

Population: 81,000 (second most populace city in Rhode Island) ...

Democratically controlled

Close to Vermont

92.7% - White
1.7% - Black
3.4% Latino

90.7% - High School educated or higher (29.8% Bachelor's degree or higher)

Median Income: $62,295

7.2% - Living below the Poverty line

Ripe picking! I probably would have hit Warick BEFORE Madison.

Koinos

(2,791 posts)
224. I think there is definitely a pattern here.
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 05:43 PM
Jul 2015

Makes one think he will skip an appearance in Baltimore.

Another candidate calls Baltimore home, however they react to him.

Yep, pick the low lying fruit.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
235. That is an interesting point, Koinos. A very interesting point
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 06:11 PM
Jul 2015
he spoke to a large crowd in Madison, Wisconsin, but did not speak in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. Those are both very liberal cities, but with very different demographics.

Others have noted that he was also in Wisconsin, home of the latest attack on abortion rights, and said next to nothing about that either.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
383. Actually seabeyond has got you beat. She actually PM'D ME how she couldn't believe that Sanders
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 04:42 AM
Jul 2015

was in Wisconsin and said nada about the attacks on abortion rights.

She may be on a time out but that gal is BUSY! I get at least a couple of PMs from seabeyond every week. She is totally on top of things.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
386. Yes she is ...
Sun Jul 12, 2015, 10:55 AM
Jul 2015

it is a real shame that her public posts get rained on about her writing style ... and with little to nothing mentioning her content.

Gotta love the liberals!

Tarheel_Dem

(31,201 posts)
327. Astute observation. My opinion is that BS' audiences mirror those of Ed Schultz & Thom Hartmann.
Wed Jul 8, 2015, 11:28 AM
Jul 2015

I'm willing to bet the demographics are almost identical. I said early on, that BS is going where he's in demand, and it's no accident. If you took BS off the stage, and replaced him with one of the Repuke candidates, the "crowd" would look exactly the same. I will be shocked if BS moves the needle very much outside the demo that already thinks he's groovy.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,201 posts)
44. This is a group. A group, I might add, where 1SBM is a valued member. Perhaps you should see....
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 09:00 AM
Jul 2015

your way out?

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,702 posts)
50. If I say I don't see many black folks at the Daytona 500...
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 09:08 AM
Jul 2015

If I say I don't see many black folks at the Daytona 500 does that mean I am accusing NASCAR of racism?


And NASCAR really does try to be inclusive...

Tarheel_Dem

(31,201 posts)
53. It's really strange that this question can't be asked of someone running as a "Democrat". You can..
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 09:14 AM
Jul 2015

certainly shut us up here at DU, but trust me, these conversations are taking place in black barber shops and beauty salons in my community. BS didn't even turn in an appearance in Charleston, and I can only assume that it's because he didn't want to turn off the demographic that he's trying to cultivate. Of course, that's his choice, but it has hurt him, and 6 months from now I still expect him to be hovering somewhere in the single digits in terms of AA support. And he never stood a chance with Latinos.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
129. I have a good (Black/Female) friend that works for NASCAR ...
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 12:34 PM
Jul 2015

She does community engagement work.

At our 4th of July BBQ, She related a story that she says is the toughest part of her job ...

She spent months engaging a urban program that introduced Black youth to auto mechanics. She arranged for a group of the kids to travel outside of their home state to attend a NASCAR race. The kids weren't there 15 minutes before the beer and slurs came flying in their direction.

Yes, the offenders were ejected; but, the damage had been done.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,702 posts)
160. Super depressing because NASCAR really reaches out...
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 01:56 PM
Jul 2015

Their fans are primarily southern whites but they really try to reach out...

They also disassociated themselves from Trump's anti-Latino comments. I am sure they would like black and Latino fans but it does seem their outreach is as much corporate conscience as a marketing strategy...

I used to make classist criticisms of NASCAR fans...I hope I remember their good behavior the next time I am tempted to do so.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
165. The movie producing phenom, Will Packer ...
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 02:23 PM
Jul 2015
I am sure they would like black and Latino fans but it does seem their outreach is as much corporate conscience as a marketing strategy...


recently stated in an interview ... "If your audience is largely monochromatic; you are losing."

So Yes ... I believe it's largely a marketing strategy; but, we see what smart marketing did for the Ford Mustang.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,702 posts)
162. Sad
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 02:04 PM
Jul 2015

My friend who is black's daughter had a stock car and crew, on a small circuit, not NASCAR...She wasn't that rich...She and her mixed crew and white driver didn't experience overt racism but the enterprise didn't become successful. My friend said he told his daughter it was no business for a black person to get involved in...

Tarheel_Dem

(31,201 posts)
143. You don't come into a private sandbox, and kick sand in the face of the host, or you'll be....
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 01:09 PM
Jul 2015

escorted out in pretty short order. But don't take it from me.

Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,702 posts)
55. This could be a teachable amount...
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 09:18 AM
Jul 2015

Putting aside the comments on the Sander supporters one of the failure of white progressivism or liberalism is the the paternalism and ethnocentrism they bought to their interaction with people of color, that they knew what was best for them.

The white folks who went down south during the civil rights struggles, some of whom literally became martyrs, deserve a special place in every person of good will's heart but many bought with them more than a small dose of paternalism and ethnocentrism.

That sentiment still lives on...Good intentions are good but they need to be married to understanding.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,702 posts)
163. Again, the folks that went down south were heroes!!!
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 02:13 PM
Jul 2015

Again, the folks that went down south were heroes !!! And I am willing to cut a person a lot of slack if your heart is the right place.I'm sure I have been clumsy at times myself...

I remember reading accounts of white folks because they were more educated and experienced would try to teach African Americans to write letters to petition their leaders for redress of their grievances, get impatient at the lack of progress, and just write the letters themselves.

randys1

(16,286 posts)
233. Best post of the day. I am watching what is happening here to 1stBman in total amazement
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 06:01 PM
Jul 2015

The very thing his detractors are guilty of, they keep committing while demanding they are not guilty of anything

kinda funny actually

But now I will be told I must explain what that means, but I wont. If they cant figure it out, well...cant say that either

lovemydog

(11,833 posts)
47. k&r in support of 1StrongBlackMan.
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 09:06 AM
Jul 2015

I read his posts. I learn from them. He's funny as heck and a great person. One doesn't have to agree with or like all his posts. But people should stop alerting on them.

It's sickening that people are alerting on and voting to hide his posts. Cowardly and pathetic that they can't just ignore a post they don't like. Or discuss a question or issue in a respectful manner.

Cha

(295,543 posts)
54. "It's sickening that people are alerting on and voting to hide his posts. Cowardly and pathetic
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 09:17 AM
Jul 2015
that they can't just ignore a post they don't like. Or discuss a question or issue in a respectful manner."

I know.. definitely. They're all about freedom of speech except when it comes to censoring 1StrongBlackMan's Voice on DU.



lovemydog

(11,833 posts)
60. Another thing that's funny is that
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 09:27 AM
Jul 2015

he isn't saying anything outrageous or controversial. He's stating truths or his own opinion, usually in a witty manner. It's met by some obvious troublemakers with weak-minded defensiveness, sarcasm or denial. And as you often say Cha, it says more about them than it does about our friend 1SBM.

lunamagica

(9,967 posts)
51. Why is this allowed to go on?
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 09:10 AM
Jul 2015

Really, in every forum I've posted this kind of garbage isn't tolerated. cliques who bully members out of the forum doe disagreeing are swiftly taken care of.

This "jury system" is absurd. It's nothing but a popularity contest where the bulling is running rampant.

I wholly support 1SBM and want him to stay strong. But how can he stay strong when the very rules of this forum work against fairness and justice?

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
52. This is what DU has become. This is infuriating.
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 09:13 AM
Jul 2015

And i am getting sick of hearing there is no alert stalking. This is a clear case of it.

 

Darb

(2,807 posts)
56. I got my posting privledges suspended................and nobody noticed.
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 09:18 AM
Jul 2015

I might have deserved a couple of hides, but a couple were not deserved.

Do you really think that the right-wing point of view can hold up to the scrutiny of pissed off liberals like many of us? No, it cannot. They have to demand complete courtesy from us when we destroy their goddamn lies. Soooo....I will try to comply.

Wingers are cry babies for a reason. They use it to silence dissent from their lunacy. I am sure you can remember when they were taught the meaning of "ad hominem". Talk about beating a dead latin horse.

Watch out for the ones that are pretending to be for a certain Democratic candidate, all the while trying to divide the Party and discourage voting.

Hey OneStrong, when was your first hide? Tread lightly until that one ages out. A word to the wise is sufficient thereof.

Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
69. they can't silence him
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 09:42 AM
Jul 2015

or any other that tells the truth of american political candidates or our so called democratic system. The hypocrisy on this site stinks to high heaven. To ask that a candidate address specific issues important to a specific group, you know like the gay issue, or women's issues or issues concerning POC is democracy, isn't it? But democracy is dying and cultocracy is rising. Their god is inviolate as all political god's have become. 1SBM is doing the right thing, be damned the squealers and whiners, they will be in the same boat as all of us, they are just are blinded by the thier obscene fawning devotion.

Hypocrisy is the american way, always has been.

1SBM relevant and truthful, that scares the hell out of the hypocrites. SCARES THE HELL OUT OF THEM!!!!!!! Their fear is noted and it's pitiful. I wouldn't want the alerter's against 1SBM in my bunker or on my back in a firefight. They are cowards.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,702 posts)
95. Here's his fourth...You and I have had a lot worse said to us.
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 10:38 AM
Jul 2015
1StrongBlackMan This message was hidden by Jury decision. Hide
78. LOL ...

everything sails completely over your head.

A Jury voted 4-3 to hide this post on Tue Jul 7, 2015, 08:43 AM. Reason: This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

murielm99

(30,617 posts)
180. You should see some of the things that survive
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 03:21 PM
Jul 2015

in the HRC group. Of course they get kicked out, but the insults stay.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
284. I got a hide when the alerter--the OP, lied and said it was against the TOS for
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 10:37 PM
Jul 2015

me to blue link to her old threads....

I got another hide for "homophobia" when I called Glenn Greenwald a "ratfucker." That was a lie--"ratfucker" is not a homophobic slur---hell, even Skinner agreed with me on that one!

But the stupidest hide? I quoted Caddyshack to Manny.

Cha

(295,543 posts)
298. Course the jury bought it.. not bothering to check for themselves.. they're so responsible.
Wed Jul 8, 2015, 03:32 AM
Jul 2015

And of course "ratfucker" is a well known political term going way back. But, how could we expect those jurors to know that on a political board?

"quoting Caddyshack" got you a hide? How dare you?!!

My last hide was quoting a BS supporter's name who went by "Bernie Blower".. down 5-2.. course the geniuses on the jury couldn't figure that out because I was only referring to him in quotes.

Alas, Mr Bernie Blower subsequently was PPRed for being a troll and was demoted to "name removed".

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
308. You know what's a neat trick with DU's Google? The phrase "personal attack"
Wed Jul 8, 2015, 06:11 AM
Jul 2015

when coupled with certain usernames, yields a pattern of crying wolf. It's very interesting, who uses that phrase, over and over.

 

Indepatriot

(1,253 posts)
74. Yesterday I was locked/blocked/hid for posting nothing but FACTS about HRC
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 09:55 AM
Jul 2015

It was a clip of her unfortunate lying about being under sniper fire in Bosnia, and her 57% "untrustworthy" rating in a recent CNN poll. No personal attacks, no opinion, just FACTS. And yet, it was alerted on and blocked. So I guess we no longer can even debate FACTS around here...

 

imthevicar

(811 posts)
75. I was Rude, Bernie Sanders has spoken about Race relations. out side of socioeconomic parameters.
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 09:56 AM
Jul 2015

Last edited Tue Jul 7, 2015, 10:32 AM - Edit history (1)

However, Both King and at the Million Man March, they were touted as one subject, Why do you have a Higher expectation for Sanders than these instances?

Interview from The Nation: A criticism directed toward you early in the campaign was that you were very focused on economics, but not sufficiently focused on critical issues such as police brutality and mass incarceration. Isn’t this something you have to address?


Sanders: Clearly, police brutality and what goes on in African-American communities and other communities is a huge issue…. The question is: How do you have police departments in this country that are part of their communities, not oppressors in their communities? How do you have police officers who, when they commit acts of crime, are held accountable and are indicted? How do you have police officers receiving the proper training that they need? How do we demilitarize our police departments? All of these are important issues. The good news is that, as a country, we are paying far more attention to this issue than we previously did. If anyone thinks that the kind of police brutality that we’re seeing now is something new, they are sorely mistaken. The good news, in a sense, is that it’s now becoming public and we’re seeing it and talking about it.

There has to be, I think, a significant change in police culture in terms of . That is a major issue that has to be dealt with. And we will deal with it, period.

The other thing, to be frank, that does trouble me is that there is so little discussion about African-American youth unemployment. How do you discuss Ferguson and not know that, in that particular community, unemployment is off the charts? How do you discuss Baltimore and not know that, in that particular community, unemployment is off the charts? African-American youth unemployment in this country is 50 percent, and one out of three African-American males born today stands the possibility of ending up in jail if present trends continue. This is a disaster. So, of course, we’ve got to talk about police brutality; of course, we’ve got to talk about reforming our criminal-justice system; of course, we’ve got to make sure that we are educating our kids and giving them job training and not sending them to jail. But I get a little distressed that people are not talking about what I consider to be a huge problem: How do you not talk about African-American youth unemployment at 50 percent?

The Nation: That focus on employment goes back to the historic message of the civil-rights movement. Civil-rights organizing was one of the ways into political activism for you, wasn’t it?


Sanders: Civil rights was a very important part of it. I was very active in the Congress of Racial Equality at the University of Chicago. I got arrested in trying to desegregate Chicago’s school system. I was very active in demanding that the University of Chicago not run segregated housing, which it was doing at that time. We were active in working with our brothers and sisters in SNCC … at that point helping them with some very modest financial help. So, yes, I was active. And I do not separate the civil-rights issue from the fact that 50 percent of African-American young people are either unemployed or underemployed. Remember the March on Washington—what was it about? “Jobs and Freedom.” The issue that Dr. King raised all the time was: This is great if we want to desegregate restaurants or hotels, but what does it matter if people can’t afford to go to them? That’s still the issue today.

...SNIP...

Full interview here~
http://www.thenation.com/article/bernie-sanders-speaks/

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
80. and when you
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 10:04 AM
Jul 2015

take your fingers out of your ears while screaming I can't hear you, understand this. The r-word...that racism, is a very important word to have in a speech about police brutality and the concurrent social racism that makes it possible. Not money, not jobs, both of which are denied because of racism. What can't the privileged of this forum understand about that??????? RACISM is one huge problem. This cherry picking bullshit means zilch, nada ZERO. I don't care if he marched 50 years ago, TODAY counts with me and many others. Try to understand that.....geez

 

imthevicar

(811 posts)
94. Do you Bother to read?
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 10:34 AM
Jul 2015

Or do you like most facebook commenting, shoot first and ask questions later?

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
100. This is not the place for this.
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 11:01 AM
Jul 2015

This is a protected group and you will be blocked for disrupting if you continue.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
140. Huh ...
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 12:58 PM
Jul 2015
However, Both King and at the Million Man March, they were touted as one subject,


I'm going to leave the revisionist MLK out of this, he has been addressed numerous time; but, I was at the MMM, economic justice and social justice absolutely were NOT touted as one subject ... the message of every speaker I heard ... from the podium, and in the more important strategy sessions were talking of "economic SELF-empowerment BECAUSE they is no social justice."

JustAnotherGen

(31,631 posts)
252. His answer is university
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 08:24 PM
Jul 2015

His answer to black youth unemployment is university.

So a guy born in say 1995 - received a sub par elementary education, middle and high school.

He wants to drop the guy off in SUNY Brockport or Buff State - when downt the road Elon Musk is building a Solar factory - he's going to need solderers. If climate change is a number one priority - its one that can create solid skilled laborer jobs. We can have people trained and making living wages in 6 months to a year.

That's a gettable get. And quickly.

I'm sharing with you O'Malley's vision. That's not an attack on Senator Sanders or his supporters - that's just showing there is a candidate out there that realizes - we failed as a country to give these young adults a fair shot when they were five - they matter just as much Suburban kid who was always college bound.

Many of the forgotten are in places like east Buffalo and Mississippi - not in Portland ME.

Evergreen Emerald

(13,069 posts)
77. 1StrongBlackMan is one of my favorite posters on DU
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 10:02 AM
Jul 2015

We are in a world of hurt on DU if it has come to the point where 1StrongBlackMan can be pushed out of DU. He is insightful and thoughtful.

The jury system is no longer working. So much for a Democratic board.

What can we do?

 

Flying Squirrel

(3,041 posts)
159. I keep telling Skinner there needs to be oversight of 4-3 & 3-4
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 01:53 PM
Jul 2015

Jury decisions during the primary season. Maybe he'll listen if others add their voices in ATA.

cstanleytech

(26,027 posts)
294. Why would the jury system need oversight if its random and anonymous??
Wed Jul 8, 2015, 01:40 AM
Jul 2015

A limit on alerts and automatic IP checking and tracking for abusive usage and or harassment to see who is alerting on posts I could understand because someone could be using a 2nd or more pc to try and cause problems.

SusanCalvin

(6,592 posts)
78. As far as I can see,
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 10:03 AM
Jul 2015

from my somewhat limited reading, 1SBM posts his opinions and questions. Last I heard, that was the idea here.

Thank you for your posts, which cause me to think, and have never looked alert-worthy to me.

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
81. Serial baiters of minority posters are really showing their asses
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 10:06 AM
Jul 2015

Will their racism finally be the last straw? Using the term "race card" on DU against a Black poster is straight out of the Bill O'Reilly playbook and should have no place here.

I have trashed GDP, although I like Sanders, some of the posts by his supporters exhibit an unshakable cargo cult mentality that I find disturbing.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
96. This is not this place for this.
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 10:52 AM
Jul 2015

I do not like having to block people from posting here. Please do not be disruptive anymore.

 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
126. But. You allow a poster
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 12:30 PM
Jul 2015

To call Sanders supporters a cult, ok. Did not realize the group so I will moderate myself and go away.

 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
253. Maybe you should admonish
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 08:29 PM
Jul 2015

That poster. I see that I am not cared for in this group as you just warned me and not the one I responded to. Have a great day

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
254. I was just trying to help you out.
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 08:31 PM
Jul 2015

It's just not the place to complain about hillary or her supporters.

 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
256. But it is ok to do the same to Bernie supporters
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 08:33 PM
Jul 2015

Interesting, I did not think by the name this was the Hillary group.

 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
264. Like I said, the one I responded to
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 09:14 PM
Jul 2015
Starry Messenger
81. Serial baiters of minority posters are really showing their asses


Will their racism finally be the last straw? Using the term "race card" on DU against a Black poster is straight out of the Bill O'Reilly playbook and should have no place here.

I have trashed GDP, although I like Sanders, some of the posts by his supporters exhibit an unshakable cargo cult mentality that I find disturbing.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1187&pid=17589


I hope that helped you find it. I thought it might have been easy for you as I stated it was the post I responded to.

I also looked at the SOP and it says nothing about not being able to mention or criticize Hillary in this group. Am I wrong?
Discuss topics and issues which affect the African-American community. DUers from all races are welcome to participate.


 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
266. She was only talking about some post by some supporters.
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 09:26 PM
Jul 2015

Those particular posts exhibit a cultlike mentality. She was not speaking of all of us when she said that. I try to let people that post here often have a bit of leeway. Once you've posted here a bit and I can gauge your intentions, I'll treat you like I treat her and assume the best. Try not to take it personally.

My problem was not with critisizing hillary, just with critisizing her supporters. There are alot of them here and they are active members and it can become disruptive.

This is a support thread for one of our only remaining black posters. I'd like to see people come here to support him not to be a snarkbucket. I love snark too, but just not right mow. I'd like him to stay here and continue posting.

 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
269. Thank you
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 09:32 PM
Jul 2015

I have had an alert stalker and know how it feels. I was on a vacation for an apology that was hidden. I hope he stays also as we need all of the diversity we can get.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,702 posts)
101. I start from the premise they are all pols or politicians, albeit with their hearts in the...
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 11:01 AM
Jul 2015

I start from the premise they are all pols or politicians, albeit with their hearts in the right place...

Even RFK who I hold in the reverence that I hold a saint wasn't a cardboard one...

Behind the Aegis

(53,792 posts)
204. Doesn't this have a familiar stench in your opinion?
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 04:27 PM
Jul 2015

You remember the Gay purge, right? Personally, I am seeing some of the same tactics used, as were used against us, the only difference is it isn't a matter of "rogue" moderators, but the overall population, and that is very, very disheartening! It is, IMO, saying and showing something very ugly.

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
211. It really does--the same gaslighting and fostering of straw-men and half-truths
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 04:53 PM
Jul 2015

about what people thought and said in posts. This happens to many of the Feminist posters too. A zero tolerance policy against insensitivity and minimizing in the main forums might be tricky to craft, but I'll bet that several of us who are hosts of the forums devoted to oppressed groups could probably come up with some language and guidelines.

Unfortunately, I feel this would never happen at this website, since the concept that everyone is equal is the dominant philosophy. That some people are more equal than others in the structural function, whether in the mod system, or the jury system, has been a tricky case to make to the website's owners, for various reasons.

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
82. K & R
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 10:08 AM
Jul 2015

This is the Democratic Underground where supporters should have the opportunity to post factual information in a civil manner. 1SBM from previous post has done so. Apparently any other opinions and voices are not tolerated here per certain people but they do not represent us in general at the DU.

I refuse to be like RWers.

I stand with the AA group.

jalan48

(13,785 posts)
84. I think 1SBM's point has been lost in the melee.
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 10:09 AM
Jul 2015

I've never had a problem with him and he certainly has a right to voice an opinion on a subject important to him. Is there anyway DU can re-post his arguments while he waits for re-instatement? If need be, leave out some of the text so we can get back to being a place where we can argue and debate ideas.

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
85. I rarely agree with 1StrongBlackMan
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 10:11 AM
Jul 2015

but I have never read anything in one of his posts that even remotely warranted an alert.

I'm sorry this has happened.

Here's my K&R.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,702 posts)
93. We rarely agree on anything but I respect your passion...
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 10:33 AM
Jul 2015
This was his fourth hide:

1StrongBlackMan This message was hidden by Jury decision. Hide
78. LOL ...

everything sails completely over your head.

A Jury voted 4-3 to hide this post on Tue Jul 7, 2015, 08:43 AM. Reason: This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.







I have been called a Freeper and a troll, the former hurt a lot more, and those posts weren't hidden.

cstanleytech

(26,027 posts)
285. Gotta agree I havent seen any that would appear hide worthy but then again I dont follow his posts.
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 10:46 PM
Jul 2015

Heck I dont even its possible to follow a specific persons posts on the DU unless there is a feature I missed that lets you do in the options or is that an option that comes with a paid membership to the DU?

Shrike47

(6,913 posts)
91. 1StrongBlackMan should not be silenced. This is getting ridiculous.
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 10:19 AM
Jul 2015

DU's version of political correctness and the aggressive vigilantes who enforce it are making this forum less and less attractive.

1SBM is a thoughtful and insightful contributor. Disagreeing with his statement is not grounds for complaint.

ismnotwasm

(41,885 posts)
97. Sick.
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 10:54 AM
Jul 2015

This is pathetic and sick behavior. Thing is I'm not surprised. How many threads do we have on the horrible injustice when a Black child is murdered by police?

Yet when a Black man speaks his truth, there are attempts to belittle, to insult, to silence.

Racism is like that old song about evil--it grows in crack and holes and lives in people's minds.


When it's not unapologetically in ones face that is.

AuntPatsy

(9,904 posts)
99. Just finished reading that thread, I've noticed quite a bit of intense bullying from a certain
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 10:58 AM
Jul 2015

Group for some time now, passion is needed to change the status quo but if this passion turns into intimidation tactics it then loses its original desire to obviously unite....

And to really be able to change things Unity will be the deciding factor....

It's not helpful to attempt to silence others viewpoints when it's obvious those concerns have merit...it's defeatist in the end.

I hope he does not become another statistic in wrongly being forced into silence...

rock

(13,218 posts)
114. For what it's worth
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 11:34 AM
Jul 2015

I've been following his threads this morning and I see nothing to get one's panties in a wad. He has some strong opinions that should be considered.

avebury

(10,941 posts)
120. It seems like DU has really started going downhill
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 11:57 AM
Jul 2015

and becoming what you would expect of a RW website.

When people start targeting members like 1StrongBlackMan you have to start wondering about the viability of DU. Living in an uber red state, the idea of an intolerant "liberal/progressive" web site it not very palatable.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
130. Yikes! I clicked on your OP just because it was from you
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 12:34 PM
Jul 2015

What's the matter with some people on DU!? The respect they demand evidently isn't necessary to reciprocate is it?

I totally support you!

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,702 posts)
167. How was it flame bait?
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 02:26 PM
Jul 2015

I haven't been to concerts in a long time...The last concert I attended was a Paul McCartney concert in 1993 at the BlocBuster Bowl in Charlotte...It was a homogeneous crowd...Ironically I rode the shuttle bus to my hotel with this black guy who was a huge Sir Paul fan.


DemocratSinceBirth

(99,702 posts)
221. He was referring to the homogeneity of a candidate's audiences.
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 05:36 PM
Jul 2015

That's strikes this observer as neither flame bait or hideable.


Gore1FL

(20,993 posts)
223. The manner in which it was presented was flame bait.
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 05:42 PM
Jul 2015

It provided a link to the demographics of Portland ME, and bemoaned the race of those in attendance based on pictures. If it was meant for anything other than flame bait it missed.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,702 posts)
225. Precisely, the homogeneity of the audience reflected the homogeneity of the city where it was held.
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 05:44 PM
Jul 2015

Precisely, the homogeneity of the audience reflected the homogeneity of the city where it was held and that was what the gentleman pointed out.

Gore1FL

(20,993 posts)
226. So it is Sander's fault that Portland ME has a lot of white people
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 05:47 PM
Jul 2015

If Clinton spoke there would the city be suddenly filled with minority voters?

The thread was flame bait and nothing more.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,702 posts)
230. The poster was speaking to his choice of venues
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 05:54 PM
Jul 2015

The poster was speaking to the senator's choice of venues and how he seems to choose venues he believes are most recptive to his message.

Gore1FL

(20,993 posts)
277. Large venues, to be sure.... Perhaps I missed something in the text; let's look!
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 10:18 PM
Jul 2015

The actual words (beyond the link to the census for Portland, ME) were:

Whoa hooo! Wake me when "minorities" get to play.

(Just noting the pattern continues.)


http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=428686

That looks like flamebait to me. If it was supposed to be more, it lacked a thesis, much less useful commentary.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,702 posts)
278. He's a voter and he wants the senator to address the issues of his community on his terms.
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 10:23 PM
Jul 2015

Now, Senator Sanders can speak to those concerns or a debate should have ensued in that thread about the legitimacy of those concerns and/or whether he has the right to raise them.

Gore1FL

(20,993 posts)
286. A debate might have occurred if it was set up as a discussion.
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 11:03 PM
Jul 2015

Instead, it was set up as flame-bait.

I prefer it when thoughts are provoked instead of emotions.

In any event, it's moot. The thread wasn't hidden. I went there to get the quote. This entire sub-thread is devoted to discussing something that isn't about the parent thread, after all.

I'm done. Have a good night.

Sheldon Cooper

(3,724 posts)
142. Jury results:
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 01:03 PM
Jul 2015
On Tue Jul 7, 2015, 12:52 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

They are getting close to silencing 1StrongBlackMan
http://www.democraticunderground.com/118717508

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Meta.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Tue Jul 7, 2015, 12:58 PM, and the Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I'll let it slide this time. This is important.
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Meta. Hide. And no one is trying to silence 1sbm. His posts are hidden because he's walking a knifes edge. Once there's one or two hides, he should back off for a spell, just to avoid putting his fate before an uncertain jury. It's his own fault he has 4 hides, instead of only one or two.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: People need to stop alert-stalking 1StrongBlackMan, instead of making bullshit alerts like this.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.


I'm so sick of the bullshit being done to Strong Black Man. I got your back, my friend, and I have yours too, Democrat Since Birth.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,702 posts)
173. Thank you...
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 02:47 PM
Jul 2015

I hate to be vainglorious but to close a thread that has garnered over one hundred and forty recommends is wrong on so many levels.

Oh, I know I am being targeted.

SunSeeker

(51,302 posts)
187. Juror #4 (voted to HIDE IT): "...he should back off for a spell.."
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 03:44 PM
Jul 2015

And Juror #4 says that right after saying "... no one is trying to silence 1sbm." Oh the irony.


SusanCalvin

(6,592 posts)
212. Really.
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 04:55 PM
Jul 2015

"Back off for a spell"! I have seen nothing to back off from. And that is also known as self-censorship.

Cha

(295,543 posts)
268. Juror#4 says "no one is trying to silence 1sbm" but then goes on to tell him how to act and "he
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 09:29 PM
Jul 2015

back off for a spell.."

The f****** unmitigated gall.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
248. I can't believe somebody had the nerve to come in here and alert on this OP in the fucking AFRICAN
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 07:31 PM
Jul 2015

AMERICAN forum. I just can't fucking believe this place.

JustAnotherGen

(31,631 posts)
260. I'm with you
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 08:51 PM
Jul 2015

I wonder if it's a newbie to the group today? Never seen some of these screen names before this thread.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,702 posts)
333. I hope you aren't upset that I posted it here...
Wed Jul 8, 2015, 05:17 PM
Jul 2015

There was a chance if I posted it in GD it would have been closed for being too META.


I still can not believe the BS hides.

Cha

(295,543 posts)
265. Thank you, Sheldon! i knew there'd be somebody who couldn't take DSB's OP about Silencing
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 09:23 PM
Jul 2015

1StrongBlackMan. That's their MO.

Too bad for them it didn't work this time.

Fearless

(18,421 posts)
164. Everyone, and I mean everyone, needs to chill the f*ck out
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 02:17 PM
Jul 2015

And I don't have a dog on either side of this argument, but seriously, everyone is acting childish and lashing out at one another. We are DU and we are supposed to be allies not attackers.

Maybe everyone, and I mean everyone, should take a day or two and relax away from the site.

And maybe, just maybe, everyone should come to agree that ad hominem attacks have no place at DU from anyone and to anyone.

DonCoquixote

(13,615 posts)
166. first off
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 02:25 PM
Jul 2015

To the Bernie supporters who got nasty towards minorities, shame on you! Bernie himself would read you the riot act, and give you the sort of loud, truth-packed jeremiad normally reserved for the GOP, and you know it.

To the Hillary supporters that fed that "bernie iz a racist" meme, when you know damned well he lad a long record that went back to Jesse Jackson of fighting prejudice (Back in the days when Bill and Hillary Clinton still played on gold courses that banned black people), shame on you. Jesse Jackson would read you the riot act, and you know it.

If I did not know that, for all it's faults and failures, this country had to be saved, I would be sorely tempted to think Democracy itself was a failed idea. Thankfully, I can read the Ayn Rands, Ahudrunti Roys, the John Michael Greers, and see that while it might briefly tempting to embrace brutal societies of Maoist apparatchiks or Philosopher Kings, they all end up sour and toxic.

Still, the outright way we have failed democracy already in this election is an example that will hopefully be held up to our grandchildren as an example of how ugly, foolish, and stupid their grandparents were, the political equivalent of the stars and bars! When the Chinese and the Russians and even Isis thins democracy is a bad idea, stuff like this can be used.

And to 2strongblackman, Bravenak, and the other AAs I have had the honor and privilege to read here, stay strong. The enemy cannot win by strength, because real strength comes from the Truth, and they know the truth is just NOT on their side. They can only attempt to exhaust us with nonsense, or drown us in excrement, but they forget by the very virtue of the lives minorities have to live, we are already used to conquering both of those attacks.

and since the privileged nitpickers will be out inn force, making themselves at home to insult AAs here, slumming around to cause trouble, I will say this. No the Puerto Rican behind this screen is not AA, though chances of my not having some AA in me are slim. However, I have seen a lot of the duplicity and nonsense the privileged majority does. I see how they deny privilege, even here, when they can do things that get people hidden and tombstoned, only to be carried by sedan chair to the greatest page. The folks who get pilloried in the AA group are very often the best, more informative posters who can actually fulfill the DU promise of letting people learn from people who do not get a voice. The same is true for many in the other non majority groups, such as the feminists. There is a silver lining though: because when the people still trying to count on privileges fall, they fall hard, and they stay down long enough for the rest of us to actually get some improvements done. You think the Scotus decisions this week were something, just you wait till the minorities actually do gain number, and pool resources and power. No, we do not intend to fulfill Trump's fantasies, instead, we will actually ive meaning, truth, and substance to the American dream.

WE ARE AMERICA.

murielm99

(30,617 posts)
176. I served on one of those juries,
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 03:07 PM
Jul 2015

and tried to keep him here. The alert was bogus.

I sent him a p.m. letting him know that he should stay. We need his voice.

He is being swarmed and bullied all right. This place is becoming a sewer.

emulatorloo

(43,922 posts)
177. Thanks for posting this, DemocratSinceBirth
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 03:12 PM
Jul 2015

And stay strong 1StrongBlackMan. It is clear to me that you are being targeted.

Ever since posters here started claiming social justice was "unimportant" or "just a distraction" and then got bigtime recs for that bullshit, my opinion of DU hit rock bottom. I appreciate all you've done to push back hard.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
185. In all fairness ...
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 03:42 PM
Jul 2015

few if any posters claim(ed) that social justice was "unimportant" ... just less important than the fight to put more money in their own pocket, i.e., economic justice; but, they have called social justice, "just a distraction" from the fight to put more money in their own pocket, i.e., economic justice.

I wonder why that might be?

barbtries

(28,689 posts)
240. i juried this morning
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 06:29 PM
Jul 2015

and was one of i think only 2 "leave its" and the post was innocuous. this is infuriating. 1StrongBlackMan, i am on your side!

BumRushDaShow

(126,620 posts)
242. Oh FFS. DU has become a f*cking trainwreck.
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 06:47 PM
Jul 2015


I think the jury system was an interesting idea from the Admin/moderators perspective by "spreading the wealth" in terms of workload for moderation. But when the juries were using 6 selectees, the "system" began to break down with ties defaulting to "leave it". But now with the 7, it pretty much exasperates the problem because the previous default was to leave it for close (tie) votes. But now, bogus alerts get hides with a 4-3, time and time again. I agree with another poster in this thread that the hide threshold should be higher. And since everyone knows an obvious troll or spammer when they see one, those folks tend to get 6-1s or 7-0s anyway if they are around long enough not to catch the attention of MIRT.

1SBM - Just hang on. Haven't had chance to post much due to work but what goes around comes around and I won't be surprised when the lid blows off.

I will offer this -

noiretextatique

(27,275 posts)
243. nothing remotely hide-worthy
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 06:55 PM
Jul 2015

i have to read more on the difference between economic and social justice though...i am not quite understanding the problem, as it relates to Sanders. as for the assholes of DU...i totally understand.

 

sulphurdunn

(6,891 posts)
246. Only personal attacks against
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 07:24 PM
Jul 2015

people rather than their arguments should be hidden. Those with sensibilities to delicate for that kind of discourse should move to North Korea.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,702 posts)
255. Some personal attacks are worse than others...
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 08:33 PM
Jul 2015

1StrongBlackMan got a hide for merely telling another poster his "point went over his head."
'

 

sulphurdunn

(6,891 posts)
261. I don't mean making snarky rejoinders.
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 08:56 PM
Jul 2015

That sort of thing is an acceptable part of debate. I meant the virulent name calling and direct insult attacks designed to change the subject, raise the temperature and lower the level of discourse. That sort of thing merits censoring, not heated disagreement and smart ass comments, at least so long as they are clever.

Depaysement

(1,835 posts)
258. His view is dead wrong
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 08:44 PM
Jul 2015

But he has every right to post it and it should remain.

Thousands of posts have presented worse.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
262. If he goes, I want to know where he writes next. Just to read. I'm ready to learn from an ally. But
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 08:57 PM
Jul 2015

Last edited Tue Jul 7, 2015, 09:28 PM - Edit history (1)

IRL he has more real activism going on than 1K keyboard warriors. I bow to that man.

Thanks for the thread, DSB!


JI7

(89,151 posts)
292. there are a few people they want to silence
Wed Jul 8, 2015, 12:51 AM
Jul 2015

you can call the president a piece of shit, call clinton a murderer , and many other things against some democrats.

but even just asking a question, especially if you are black concerning certain issues and certain people is not allowed.

meanwhile there are the king, malcolm x etc were about class threads again.

and when the actual votes start coming in and we see who voted for who they will start in on the conspiracy theories .

Number23

(24,544 posts)
296. You nailed it.
Wed Jul 8, 2015, 02:49 AM
Jul 2015

Last edited Wed Jul 8, 2015, 04:02 AM - Edit history (1)

but even just asking a question, especially if you are black concerning certain issues and certain people is not allowed

I got a post hidden today for telling someone that I knew that in their opinion, Sanders can "turn pee into wine" but that I wanted to hear from other people. That was it. Hidden post.

And others in this crowd has got absolutely no qualms about chasing black posters into the AA forum and alerting on us here. Possessing melanin somehow transforms comments where NO ONE IS NAMED into "personal attacks" and trying to discuss the positions of certain politicians suddenly becomes "race baiting" when the person doing the questioning has melanin. It's a hell of a thing.

meanwhile there are the king, malcolm x etc were about class threads again.

The biggest jokes on DU. At least not as many seem to get sucked up in them as before. But I'm sure this bit of progress and growth will be short lived.

lovemydog

(11,833 posts)
313. Regarding your last paragraph.
Wed Jul 8, 2015, 06:59 AM
Jul 2015

I wrote long rants to both the Malcolm X and MLK Facebook meme threads today. Basically said yes, they both said those things. I happen to agree with them on those issues. But please for gosh sakes read more about them, and how their primary devotions were to their families and to racial matters. And please don't use either as a bludgeon to push a candidate. Frankly I kind of doubt either would endorse a presidential candidate. Especially not at this stage. Then it went on for more paragraphs about how there's plenty of black authors to read now, who write today. Started making a list. Then decided it just wasn't worth getting too riled up or to reading oblivious responses. So I hit delete before I posted all that, lol.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
337. Malcolm could not have been more open with his disgust with BOTH parties
Wed Jul 8, 2015, 05:32 PM
Jul 2015

He had no use for white conservatives and said openly and frequently that white liberals weren't too much better.

King was happy to work with Democrats... when he needed to.

randys1

(16,286 posts)
344. As I have pointed out repeatedly, reverse everything past 200 yrs and NOTHING is left
Wed Jul 8, 2015, 07:17 PM
Jul 2015

standing.

The white people would react to being slaves and Jim Crow victims and so on by burning down the entire country.

While in reality the Black people have shown unbelievable patience and peaceful patience at that.

WE dont deserve that, we, white people, deserve an ass kicking.

Yet our white privilege continues right here at DU where white so called liberal after another will lecture YOU as to what YOU should find important or not.

JustAnotherGen

(31,631 posts)
363. It goes to this
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 04:42 AM
Jul 2015

There are many white liberals who believe the Union in Memphis was inclusive.

It was not.

King was not there to defy Corpirations or Oligarchs or Plutocrats.

He was there to go after an organization that catered to a public need (waste management) that has separate and unequal benefits for their black members..

Shot rang out - in the Memphis sky . . .

lovemydog

(11,833 posts)
367. Yes, great points JAG.
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 07:42 AM
Jul 2015

The events around Memphis are easily available to all. The black sanitation workers went on strike because they were not even allowed to organize and their union was not even recognized! The white community of so-called religious and business leaders turned a blind eye to them. As it says at the King encyclopedia:

The night before his assassination in April 1968, Martin Luther King told a group of striking sanitation workers in Memphis, Tennessee: “We’ve got to give ourselves to this struggle until the end. Nothing would be more tragic than to stop at this point in Memphis. We’ve got to see it through” (King, “I’ve Been to the Mountaintop,” 217). King believed the struggle in Memphis exposed the need for economic equality and social justice that he hoped his Poor People’s Campaign would highlight nationally.

On 1 February 1968, two Memphis garbage collectors, Echol Cole and Robert Walker, were crushed to death by a malfunctioning truck. Twelve days later, frustrated by the city’s response to the latest event in a long pattern of neglect and abuse of its black employees, 1,300 black men from the Memphis Department of Public Works went on strike. Sanitation workers, led by garbage-collector-turned-union-organizer, T. O. Jones, and supported by the president of the American Federation of State, County, and Municipal Employees (AFSCME), Jerry Wurf, demanded recognition of their union, better safety standards, and a decent wage.

The union, which had been granted a charter by AFSCME in 1964, had attempted a strike in 1966, but it failed, in large part because workers were unable to arouse the support of Memphis’s religious community or middle class. Conditions for black sanitation workers worsened when Henry Loeb became mayor in January 1968. Loeb refused to take dilapidated trucks out of service or pay overtime when men were forced to work late-night shifts. Sanitation workers earned wages so low that many were on welfare and hundreds relied on food stamps to feed their families.

much more here: http://kingencyclopedia.stanford.edu/encyclopedia/encyclopedia/enc_memphis_sanitation_workers_strike_1968/

By the way, I finally responded to that MLK meme thread. I just felt I should throw in my two cents, lol.

betsuni

(25,062 posts)
297. Numerous repostings of the "OMG You Guys MLK Said DEMOCRATIC SOCIALISM One Time" threads --
Wed Jul 8, 2015, 03:16 AM
Jul 2015

funny or sad, I can't decide.

lovemydog

(11,833 posts)
316. I laugh to keep from crying.
Wed Jul 8, 2015, 07:05 AM
Jul 2015

I mean, I know that they cared deeply about economic matters, and that they said those things, and I happen to agree with what they said. It's just amazing to me that anyone would not know that about them both, or that they would try and use it to discount that they both cared very deeply about racial matters. Or sincerely believe that others aren't much more familiar with all their writings and speeches on race. And I doubt that either would be naive enough to think that one dude becoming president would immediately remove all the racism in this country, or that it shouldn't even be discussed!

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
324. Tragi-comic.
Wed Jul 8, 2015, 10:52 AM
Jul 2015
http://www.democraticunderground.com/128022154

I have deleted all of my opinions of the tone of this troop rallying post in the BS forum, I'm sure they'd all be alerted on.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
350. Why do you think that person keeps posting that over and over and over again?
Wed Jul 8, 2015, 09:06 PM
Jul 2015

What POSSIBLE reason could he have for doing that?? And rallying his troops in the Sanders forum to kick and rec? Does it not occur to him that there is a reason he has to beg people to K&R that thread??? And does it not say something to him that the folks doing so are not regulars in any of the minority forums here??

Bonus points if you can answer why he never posts that himself in the AA group. No cheating, now! Don't look at post #33 in the GD thread on this http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026950552

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
354. Why, everyone knows that posting the same thing over and over again
Wed Jul 8, 2015, 09:31 PM
Jul 2015

in order to prove that you are the only one who is right about a subject is just the way to win over people who are outside your constituency group. Obviously all of that race stuff was just MLK jr. warming up until he finally got with the program and realized white people are people too.



Number23

(24,544 posts)
356. Ding ding ding!! We have a winner!!
Wed Jul 8, 2015, 09:55 PM
Jul 2015


Obviously all of that race stuff was just MLK jr. warming up until he finally got with the program and realized white people are people too.

Sadly, this growing body of "thought" that MLK's lifelong work on civil rights was just a precursor to his more "important" work on economics, read: issues that affect white people, has taken root in a few places. And that he wasn't "just" ('cause yes, I've seen that "just" written more times than I can count when non-blacks talk about MLK's civil rights work) about equal rights for his children and his people. I've seen this stuff pop up alot of places.

He was very dignified but he was just a man. So in my sillier moments, I always envision him reading that stuff and reacting just like this:



Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
358. What a great picture, ha!
Wed Jul 8, 2015, 10:30 PM
Jul 2015

A person has to be sailing over life to think that civil rights were "just" some warm up act, or side task, or not central. Look at South Carolina--debating over that Confederate flag. We might just end the Civil War, finally, after 150 years.

I love this Ta-Nehisi Coates article, I posted it a couple of places on DU I think: http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/06/what-this-cruel-war-was-over/396482/



In praising the Klan’s terrorism, Confederate veterans and their descendants displayed a remarkable consistency. White domination was the point. Slavery failed. Domination prevailed nonetheless. This was the basic argument of Florida Democratic Senator Duncan Fletcher. “The Cause Was Not Entirely Lost,” he argued in a 1931 speech before the United Daughters of the Confederacy:

The South fought to preserve race integrity. Did we lose that? We fought to maintain free white dominion. Did we lose that? The States are in control of the people. Local self-government, democratic government, obtains. That was not lost. The rights of the sovereign States, under the Constitution, are recognized. We did not lose that. I submit that what is called “The Lost Cause” was not so much “lost” as is sometimes supposed.

Indeed it was not. For a century after the Civil War, White Supremacy ruled the South. Toward the end of that century, as activists began to effectively challenge white supremacy, its upholders reached for a familiar symbol. {the CSA flag}



MLK was incredibly brave to face down people who were (are) perfectly happy to let Black people know that they preferred the slave system and Jim Crow, thank you very much. How many Black churches burned down last month in the wake of the Charleston 9? Racist terror is still very much alive in this country--these events aren't aberrations.

Treating them as distractions from the main event of economic reform, or "just" some holdover from the bad old days that can be fixed overnight is divorced from reality.

betsuni

(25,062 posts)
361. For the attention.
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 12:13 AM
Jul 2015

"Asking for more comment" -- hoping, pleading for a nice flame war and plenty of those delicious kicks and recommends from the cool kids.

Cha

(295,543 posts)
320. "but even just asking a question, especially if you are black concerning certain issues and certain
Wed Jul 8, 2015, 08:14 AM
Jul 2015
people is not allowed."

It's upside down world!.. you'd think we were on a different website and I would liken it to a certain one.. but, I'd get alerted on and a jury would hide it for questioning their ethics.

It would be funny if it weren't so sick.

Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
303. This is not the place for this. This is the AA group.
Wed Jul 8, 2015, 03:54 AM
Jul 2015

Please remove this post. I do not want to block anyone from posting in here.

JustAnotherGen

(31,631 posts)
329. I'm kind of snorty laughing here
Wed Jul 8, 2015, 01:25 PM
Jul 2015

He's all mister star shine and sparkle hugs and cuddles now?

You know me brave - I just put it out there.


I'll be watching his posts as a Group Host back here on a go forward basis.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
338. I think we live in the same state. (Me and Ken)
Wed Jul 8, 2015, 05:35 PM
Jul 2015

I tried to hold it down last night so it didn't get out of hand.

JustAnotherGen

(31,631 posts)
347. I've seen the contents of the post
Wed Jul 8, 2015, 08:05 PM
Jul 2015

The words were not ideas or concepts - just vile.

Reach out to him and ask him not to post here. There was no need.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
306. Out of respect for you, I will.
Wed Jul 8, 2015, 04:22 AM
Jul 2015

Didn't realize what forum this is...was led to it when I was called to be on the jury for a post.)

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
387. That's because ...
Sun Jul 12, 2015, 11:04 AM
Jul 2015

you are on record opposing HRC, strongly ...

It must be causing some, some real headaches ... kind of like the headaches cause with a segments of the Democratic Party, having to decide between that Woman and that... er, Black guy in 2008.

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
390. I deserved this one, probably...
Mon Jul 13, 2015, 02:22 PM
Jul 2015

But it wasn't something from this forum...

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You were beginning to raise my curiosity until you insulted me in the end.
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bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
381. if it's any consolation I think the Manions are done with the "stoking the fire" OPs that "pass for
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 04:17 PM
Jul 2015

greatness" around here. I think they have figured that shit out, and it's about time.

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