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Tue Jul 7, 2015, 06:04 AM

They are getting close to silencing 1StrongBlackMan

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=273034


"Truth crushed to earth will rise again."

-Martin Luther King, Jr.





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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 06:28 AM

1. Tolerance is no longer a DU virtue

 

and Truth has no protection here, either.

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Response to Demeter (Reply #1)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 06:31 AM

2. It's 4:39 AM PST. I am going back to bed ...I will have more thoughts at a more civil time.

I don't want to write anything I regret because I am apoplectic.


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Response to Demeter (Reply #1)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 11:34 AM

128. and who has made this the case at du

 

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Response to Demeter (Reply #1)

Thu Jul 9, 2015, 01:58 PM

378. I have a feeling it's one person with a big grudge.

And yes, there was just one more bogus alert. I wish they'd let us be insulting in our explanations, mine would have curled the hair in his/her nose.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 06:33 AM

3. What are the charges? This seems unfair. nt

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Response to brush (Reply #3)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 06:37 AM

4. What are the charges?

Speaking his mind...

I would say more but I am not prepared to go out in a blaze of glory, yet!

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 06:37 AM

5. I'm confused

what happened?

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Response to JackInGreen (Reply #5)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 07:33 AM

24. I got another hide ...

 

In a string in which I indicated that that a certain candidate could help his/her case with PoC, if he/she would address social inequality without tying it to economic equality, i.e., speak directly to PoC without a side of "we're all in this together" ... a party to the discussion posted a "we're all in this together" and I had the nerve to point out that his/her post indicated that he/she completely missed my request/indication by saying it sailed completely over (his/her) head ... which is now, apparently, a hide-worthy "personal attack" for 4 out of 7 jurors.



Well, perhaps I shouldn't hit "post my reply" on this as it is likely to be alerted on and hid as whining about a juror decision. ... Nahh ...

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #24)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 07:56 AM

40. Dude, they are really out to shut you up. You've obviously struck an exposed nerve, and they're....

feeling something other than "the Bern". They can't really explain or answer your questions, they just know it makes them feel icky. Keep on fighting the good fight, although I do understand the hesitation to be drawn in. A jury shouldn't be the luck of the draw, but them's the rules, and it doesn't look like they'll be changing.

One would think you'd be safe in a "safe haven" (irony noted), but there is a definitely a campaign underway, and I don't mean for POTUS.

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #40)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 12:12 PM

144. Above post deleted because I somehow it "post" before I was ready... computer problems.

Take it as a compliment: Someone obviously thinks you have an eloquent, effective, and influential voice.

I respect your right to your opinion and to express that opinion. But if I were in your shoes and some were targeting me, I would make sure to give them nothing that could be made into ammunition.

That means giving spontaneity a pass and never hitting "post" until you've let your post sit for a few minutes and reread it to make sure there is nothing in it that can be deliberately misconstrued for a hide.... at least until one of your hides has fallen off the chart.

Sometimes I wonder if the people who are targeting others are not supporters for Bernie or Hillary, but are those trying to create ill feelings between the two groups...

(on edit: this post was supposed to go to 1StrongBlackMan... really having computer problems this morning compounded by human error. )

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Response to 1monster (Reply #144)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 03:29 PM

205. I tend to agree with you

I think a lot of the crap going on around here is not from "real" supporters of Bernie, but from a group that wants nothing more than to stir things up, divide DU, and then sit back an gloat at their accomplishments. They are now going after O'Malley, along with Hillary.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #24)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 07:56 AM

41. I warned you, brah...

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #24)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 08:06 AM

48. Another bogus hide.

You can't win.

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Response to brer cat (Reply #48)

Wed Jul 8, 2015, 09:58 AM

325. Posts pointing out the issues..

 

... with certain candidates are being hidden at an alarming rate around here.

It is a disturbing trend when debate is squelched.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #24)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 08:26 AM

59. Knowing your history here, your always insightful posts, and the very civil way in which...

you conduct yourself, one might easily assume you have become a target of those who act out of envy rather than serious, intelligent debate.

Alerting on an innocuous comment to feign insult when debating the topic would be the proper response is a sign of laziness; it is so much easier to hit the alert button than construct a logical and convincing rebuttal.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #24)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 08:32 AM

65. Can't

 

Been put out by s Skinner several times. He sees no evidence of alert stalking. But I too have been a victim of it. I had an apology hidden before, lol

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Response to Duckhunter935 (Reply #65)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 08:36 PM

271. I am almost always busy and rushed, so I used to refuse about half or more of the

times I was asked to serve as a juror. But I now always say yes unless I am actually ready to rush out the door, because I was on three juries in a row that were so obviously bogus alerts that I couldn't help thinking the alerter was deliberately trying to get a person's posts hidden even when they were not at all hideworthy.

Two of the posts that had been alerted on were by the same person, and that was someone who gets pile-on bullied and attacked here fairly frequently, so I felt sure the person was being alert stalked.

The other post was by a different person, but that person is also frequently bullied and attacked here, and I have often been a juror on posts by that person that should not have been alerted on, so I took the alert as evidence of possible (probable, really) alert stalking, too.

I am typically up reading in the ugly hours of the morning, since that's often my only "free" time, so I sacrifice sleep to read. That means I am asked to be a juror quite a lot. I have been appalled at how many close (4/3) votes hide innocuous posts.

So now I accept jury service as often as possible, just so I can at least attempt to protect people whose inoffensive posts are being improperly alerted on in an attempt to get them suspended.

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Response to tblue37 (Reply #271)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 08:55 PM

273. I do the same thing

 

Updated my jury blacklist and now back to 0 hides. Called on now for quite a few juries. Most do not even come close to a hide.

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Response to tblue37 (Reply #271)

Wed Jul 8, 2015, 12:11 AM

293. I'm with you. I believe we should only remove posts when they are trolling or just too

outrageous, not when the post is merely argument and/or discussion. I generally will not vote to remove post unless it is really, really outrageous. A nasty post says more about eh person who posts than it does about the person to whom it is nasty although there are limits.

I have noticed that some DUers are overly sensitive about arguments. I am not. But I know that some people cannot bear arguments that seem to be disputes or dissension. I have a friend like that. I grew up in a mid-sized family with siblings. I am inured to disagreement. In fact, I thrive on it a bit because it makes me stop and think and understand how other people see things.

I don't carry grudges against people who have different points of view from my own. It is against my principles. I rarely, extremely rarely, almost never report a post on DU for any reason other than that it is an obvious troll. I just can't think of an occasion when I did that.

And I hope other people join us in this cautious approach. Some people actually get into arguments with other DUers that go on and on. And some are very intolerant of open discussion. If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen. I don't mean to be rude about that, but we need to be thick-skinned on DU. This is, as many know, not the first time that I have criticized DUers for intolerance of someone who has been on DU a long time, contributed a valid point of view or in another case made a mistake in making what seemed to me to be a stupid joke on DU.

Let's don't remove posts so quickly. Let's be tolerant. Let's remember we are here to learn how we can improve the world together and not to beat up on each other for our differing points of view.

Hope OneStrongBlackMan will be back soon. Forgive and forget -- or better yet, don't get mad in the first place.

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #293)

Wed Jul 8, 2015, 05:27 AM

309. i can't believe you would show your face in this op.

unban me.

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Response to tblue37 (Reply #271)

Wed Jul 8, 2015, 03:53 PM

331. How are you able to determine who did the alert? I would have thought ...

 

as much as I get alerted on, I would have figured that out by now.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #331)

Thu Jul 9, 2015, 10:22 AM

371. I couldn't tell who did the alert, just who had been alerted on. The one who had been

alerted on twice in a very short span is someone who is always getting bullied here, so after the second time I actually PMed that person to say that I had voted to leave both of the posts and that I was sorry that he/she (I am trying not to reveal details to indicate who the victim is) is always getting attacked and alert stalked, because it was obvious from those alerts that the person *was* being alert stalked.

The other post I mentioned was also made by someone whose posts are always getting alerted on and who also gets a lot of nasty responses to his/her posts.

Now, I have had several nice responses to my posts from the second person, but that person has also attacked one of my own quite innocuous posts, so I can see how some might have decided to go after him/her, especially since I've often seen that alert-stalked victim respond intemperately to others' posts, taking them to mean something ugly that they clearly did not mean. That person has a hair trigger on certain subjects, and if he/she misinterprets your post on one of those subjects, he/she can get quite unpleasant in his/her replies. Undoubtedly that is why he/she has "enemies" on DU who are willing to alert stalk him/her and to vote unfairly to hide posts by him/her that don't deserve a hide. It is also why some jurors who vote to hide his/her posts actually include personal attacks on the poster when offering an explanation for the hide. Frankly, it all seems very middle school to me.

I don't get personally riled up about comments on a message board. If they are directed at me, I just explain my point once more as clearly as I can, addressing the misinterpretation. Then, if the person still insists on misinterpreting what I said, I assume he/she is looking for a fight. But since I am never looking for a fight or an excuse to be outraged or offended, I just leave the field without further interaction. I am like that in real life too. I have almost no temper at all, and I don't enjoy the company of those who are always being offended without good reason, so I just avoid them. There are *plenty* of good reasons to be offended and outraged. There's no reason to waste time or energy on piddlydunk caca.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #331)

Thu Jul 9, 2015, 10:28 AM

372. Oh, and just for the record, 1StrongBlackMan, you are one of the DU members whose

posts I am always impressed by. You, bigtree, H20 Man, Mr. Scorpio, MCamy Taylor, madfloridian, bravenak, and a handful of others are especially important to my experience of this board. I hope you don't let the unpleasantness drive you away. I would consider that to be a terrible loss--not just to me, but also to the quality of the discussion on DU.

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Response to tblue37 (Reply #372)

Thu Jul 9, 2015, 11:35 AM

373. Thank you for the kind words. n/t

 

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Response to Duckhunter935 (Reply #65)

Wed Jul 8, 2015, 05:50 AM

310. omfg

You had an apology hidden?

That's one of the funniest things I've ever read here.

If you get the chance to find it, I'd love to see it.



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Response to Duckhunter935 (Reply #312)

Wed Jul 8, 2015, 06:02 AM

314. Oh my gosh.

That's hilarious. Thanks.

Some of the responses, refusing to accept your apology, sound downright Stalinist. Not the kind of good-hearted humanistic democratic socialism that I like.

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Response to lovemydog (Reply #314)

Wed Jul 8, 2015, 06:04 AM

315. yes that is common

 

And I am used to the disdain from some members. just disappointed.

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Response to Duckhunter935 (Reply #315)

Wed Jul 8, 2015, 06:08 AM

317. Me too Duckhunter935.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #24)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 09:08 AM

83. Hang in there. We'll back you.

Anyone know what can be done to resolve this silliness?

Bernie himself has begun responding to the very same critiques by mentioning his civil rights credentials.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #24)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 11:06 AM

121. It's obvious you're being targeted.

 

Hopefully, the admins will get to the bottom of this. The pygmy chimpanzee loves to race-bait, then accuse others of doing so when called out. The tactics that have been used against you here are disgusting.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #24)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 12:51 PM

157. It would seem to mean that you have something to say

That is worth hearing.

Keep speaking. We're listening.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #24)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 02:12 PM

178. That was a bad hide

 

You see why I don't participate in the jury system here?

They say: You take your chances.

That's how it goes.

As for your reply to me, it did, imo, show a lack of respect. Not only for me, but for Bernie especially. Your whole thread showed a lack of respect for a very good man and politician who may just be our next president.

Better luck next time, eh?

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Response to RobertEarl (Reply #178)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 02:23 PM

181. Luck his nothing to do with this.

 

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #181)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 02:50 PM

192. Community values

 

It has been said that is what guides the jury system.

Disrespect and rude comments are bound to reap reactions.

I tiptoe all the time. And have been targeted. None of us are special.

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Response to RobertEarl (Reply #192)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 06:21 PM

245. Community values:

"Calling Hillary supporters piss fucking ignorant to their face!!" survived a jury. So much for disrespect and rude comments reaping reactions. Some of you act like 1SBM just happened to hit a bad jury...it happens all the time.

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Response to brer cat (Reply #245)

Sun Jul 12, 2015, 01:03 AM

385. Thank you brer cat!

Truth.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #181)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 04:50 PM

227. GD-P was like this in 2008, too

only we had moderators instead of juries. Now it depends on how many of whose partisans get onto a GD-P jury.

I've elected to trash it, let the zealots slug it out.

Yes, it was a bogus hide.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #181)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 06:45 PM

250. I always read your posts and find them to be fair-minded, sometimes

challenging, but never hateful.

Keep posting.

I'm sorry that this is happening to you. You certainly don't deserve it.

I may have to accept a position as a juror to get into the whys.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #24)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 02:39 PM

183. As a fanatical Bernie backer,

I have to say KEEP POSTING. You don't need my encouragement, but you have it. This jury shit is getting out of hand. But the presidential cycle is heating up, so it's gonna get worse. I don't agree with everything you say, but I am inspired by someone like you who strongly tells his truth.

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Response to Admiral Loinpresser (Reply #183)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 03:48 PM

208. ^^WORD FOR F'N WORD^^ nt

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #24)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 02:46 PM

189. Could you PM me the link?

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #24)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 03:50 PM

209. These "personal attack" or "over the top" alert reasons are being abused.

They're ridiculous and stalker-worthy. But I guess I just personally attacked some DU group with my over-the-top critique.

I'm on your side no matter which candidate you support. Real discussion should not be shut down with post hides.

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Response to Efilroft Sul (Reply #209)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 04:11 PM

214. I haven't decided on a candidate ...

 

yet.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #214)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 09:28 PM

280. Whoever you choose will have a quality supporter.

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Response to Efilroft Sul (Reply #280)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 10:45 PM

289. Thanks ...

 

But because my state's primary falls after Super Tuesday and most swing state primaries. So my preference won't really matter. As such, I will do as I always have done ... I will work GOTV/Voter registration efforts and campaign for whomever is the eventual Democratic nominee.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #24)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 04:17 PM

215. Please post your hide. I have no idea where this happened.

Can you link to it please?

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Response to Number23 (Reply #215)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 04:30 PM

218. Okay ...

 

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=428974

But, put the young'ins to bed and turn on all the lights, before clicking on the link ... my hidden post is that horrendous!

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #218)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 04:51 PM

228. I think you're like me, at this point.

We both have one foot out the door and don't even understand why we come here at all. Bain referred to DU as a "bad habit" to me in a PM and once again, she was right on the money.

So let loose! Be yourself! Speak your truth! The worse they can do is put you on time out. Your voice is needed here and intelligent people know that. But we also know that alot of other people whose voices were desperately needed are gone. DU has been in a death spiral for a long time. That AIN'T GONNA CHANGE.

I would LOVE to see who has you on ignore and these lunatics who alert on your every word. I bet it's a Who Who of DU Dumbasses that make this joint suck. But they know they are in the majority and that the admins have openly admitted they won't do anything. So why bother??

Didn't I tell you not to come back here?? You did and that's on you. But now that you're here BE YOURSELF. Don't monitor your words. Speak your truth.

That hide was bullshit but many of them are. So if you know that you're going to get hidden for sneezing in this place and if you are going to stick around here, then why filter yourself???? I have one hide and that one hide was IMMENSELY satisfying. I actually could have kept going with that individual until all five slots were gone. If you're going to keep coming to this cesspool, if you are going to keep wading in the muck, then BE YOU.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #218)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 04:53 PM

229. The disgusting part of this is that anyone would report that, let alone 4 out of 7 vote

to hide.

If that is as thick a skin so called liberals have, then we are fucking doomed.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #218)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 08:06 PM

263. Oh Shite! I could never see

the hide, either.. figured it was in a subthread where I had somebody on ignore.

Damn, 1StrongBlackMan.. I'm so sorry the alert police are trying to censor you.. and that goes straight to juries where there are "85% Bernie Supporters"got those stats from Skinner) on DU.. so you do the math. It's like a damn crap shoot stacked against us.. especially those who are more outspoken

It's a metaphorical mine field.. you can't say anything but agree with them or they'll alert on you. You last Hide is solid proof! And, Skinner says there's no abuse in the jury system.. or something to that effect. I'm so disappointed in his not being able to see that.

But, I am glad there are so many people Rec this thread, though.. At least these members don't want you silenced.



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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #218)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 10:24 PM

288. Oh, please post that to me. I'll cry all night *sniff, sniff* with tears of laughter! n/t

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #218)

Mon Jul 27, 2015, 03:30 PM

391. That is alert stalker bullshit there and I say that as someone who disagrees with you more often

than not.

Plus, its not really your style, you can be snide and dismissive as the day is long but I'm not sure it is something that an ever be construed as anything like over the top or an attack really.

I'm sure you like anyone else can possibly go too far on occasion but I'd have to see the post and that one was bullshit.

I believe this tactic and a desire to silence disagreement is a problem. Alerting shouldn't be a game or an invitation to nanny.

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Response to TheKentuckian (Reply #391)

Mon Jul 27, 2015, 04:08 PM

392. ...

 

I'm sure you like anyone else can possibly go too far on occasion ...


Who me? Never! I am the exemplar of decorum and artfully, skillful tongue!

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #24)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 05:33 PM

241. i was on this jury.

could hardly believe it was hidden. what the fuck goes on.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #24)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 06:41 PM

249. It sounds like a few wolves in sheep's clothing have infiltrated DU.

.


Then again, I have notices that some are "highly sensitive" now to ANY slight. Any at all!

They get a fit of the vapors and whine for censorship. As an Electronic Frontier Foundation supported, this troubles me.


===


You have my support 1SBM.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #24)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 08:27 PM

267. OK, this is getting absurd.

There should not be alert stalking by anyone here at DU.
I don't agree with some of your stances on HRC of BHO and I'm sure you do not agree with some of my opinions or choice of candidates.
But, that's life.
I feel no need to see you or anyone else here booted for being opinionated.
Especially, over differences of opinion, however strongly worded.

To all here who alert stalk...knock it the fuck off. You do yourself and the DU membership a great disservice. Remember the golden rule, don't be an asshole.

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Response to blackspade (Reply #267)

Wed Jul 8, 2015, 02:34 AM

299. "Remember the golden rule, don't be and asshole"

"There should not be alert stalking by anyone here at DU."

No, there should not.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #24)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 09:17 PM

276. I don't know what is happening, and it sure isn't fair. I personally refuse to take part in the

jury system here. Just reading the comments from some of the jury decisions, show that they are exerting their own personal bias in how they make their decisions. There is no consistency. It is a hit or miss, depending who gets selected on the jury.

I can see no personal attack.

I would hope that a GROUP forum would have some protections. That is the point, isn't it?

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #24)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 10:59 PM

290. For some people it is simply IMPOSSIBLE to conceptually divide the two

Not defending, not attacking. To some, it's like trying to talk about light but not heat, electricity but not magnatism. I'm not sure I can really conceive of them being other than two different aspects of the same phenomena (but neither would I disparage someone making the argument that they are, I would just have a hard time agreeing with it because I would have a hard time processing it)

But then I'm about as middle class and white as you can get. I'm far from the only person who although progressive despite coming from relative affluence is going to see *EVER* issue through the lens of class first, race a distant second.

Stalkers suck, alert stalkers should be booted. Your posts are always thought provoking, well reasoned and well written.

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Response to The Green Manalishi (Reply #290)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 11:17 PM

291. I largely agree ...

 

but it is not difficult for (the mainstream of) PoC to distinguish the two, regardless of economic class ... because we live the distinction. The affluent PoC lives with the same social injustice as the poor PoC, I just have good fortune to have the (financial and educational) resources to lighten/lessen the blow; but, it doesn't make the conversations with my daughter, any easier.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #24)

Thu Jul 9, 2015, 01:42 PM

375. I've said far, far worse about this said candidate than you could ever have.

 

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 06:41 AM

6. I hope not

1StongBlackMan is one of those voices that should be heard. There needs to be an appeal process on these jury hides. To many great minds are being silence at DU. I can put up with a lot but there is a limit. Be careful 1StrongBlackMan, I have never read a post of yours worthy of hiding, but everyone I have read is worthy.

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Response to TexasProgresive (Reply #6)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 07:59 AM

43. I so agree

1strongblackman is a good guy. Never met him in person but he's one of the good guys.

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Response to TexasProgresive (Reply #6)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 08:59 AM

76. Well Said

I have the utmost respect for 1strongblackman. His body of work I outstanding.

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Response to TexasProgresive (Reply #6)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 10:20 AM

108. In all fairness ...

 

I have posted things that were hide-worthy, particularly to a DUer, with whom I have made peace ... we still disagree ... a lot, but we are much more civil to one another.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #108)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 10:24 AM

110. That's good that you have made peace.

Just don't get suspended. Voices like yours are much needed.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #108)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 11:22 AM

124. Yeah, but the point is - you made peace. And even better, "we are much more civil to one another."

Seems to me, as well, that you've been unfairly targeted. And that's a shame. Because we need your voice and your truth here!

A LITTLE MORE CIVILITY, PLEASE, GUYS!!! This is really becoming damaging - to the whole "Body DU," if you will. None of us will be of any use to any greater cause or candidate - or ANY such thing - if we're turning on each other. This is starting to open up the "Our Own Worst Enemy" Department. Hell, we're not gonna need Donald Trump or jebbie-and-wolfowitz or chris "Sit-Down-And-Shut-Up" or ted cruz or the teabaggers or any of that miserable lot! We're becoming more and more like that panel from the Pogo cartoon strip. We're seeing the enemy, and he/she is US.


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Response to TexasProgresive (Reply #6)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 12:16 PM

145. Well said TexasProgressive

I agree 100% we need 1StrongBlackMan's voice here, not silenced by intolerance.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 06:43 AM

7. How so? Please explain your allegation.

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Response to TheCowsCameHome (Reply #7)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 06:45 AM

8. Please look at his profile page.He is one deletion from a timeout.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #8)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 06:49 AM

9. I see four hides, if I'm reading it correctly

He certainly stirred the pot with one post in particular post last evening.

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Response to TheCowsCameHome (Reply #9)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 07:12 AM

15. More Content

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Response to bahrbearian (Reply #15)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 07:24 AM

19. Yeah, I saw that.

Apparently the OP was upset about Portland's demographics and Bernie's speech before 9,000 supporters there.



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Response to TheCowsCameHome (Reply #19)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 08:24 AM

58. The OP looked at the basic demographics of the city

but (understandably) didn't research how the population of African Americans has become to be so much higher there than in the rest of the State. If he had, he'd know they are largely recent immigrants of the refugee variety, and have probably been in town for fewer than ten years. They have been in many cases poorly received and there's an excellent chance they have other things on their mind besides attending political rallies. An excellent chance.

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Response to crim son (Reply #58)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 08:50 AM

71. He pointed out that Portland Maine is a largely homogeneous city.

He pointed out that Portland Maine is a largely homogeneous city. That observation doesn't seem remarkable or controversial, your observations notwithstanding.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #71)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 09:03 AM

79. He ignored that.

He pointed out that once again, Sen. Sanders was addressing white crowds in early primary states where there are mostly white people and that it was a sign that the candidate is not concerned with PoC's interests. He's free to take that stand while I'm free to disagree.

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Response to tazkcmo (Reply #79)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 09:17 AM

90. You are certainly free to disagree...My response is about those who want to silence him.

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Response to tazkcmo (Reply #79)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 10:33 AM

113. When have I said Bernie is not concerned about PoC's interests ...

 

Oh, that's right ... I keep IMPLYING it, despite my saying exactly what I have intended ... that Bernie's numbers among the mainstream of the Black electorate will continue to lag, so long as he gives little attention to the issues that Black folks rank higher than income inequality ... and when he does speak to social justice, he speaks of it in terms of economic justice.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #113)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 10:50 AM

117. Hmmmmmmm

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=428686

"Whoa hooo! Wake me when "minorities" get to play.

(Just noting the pattern continues.)"

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Response to tazkcmo (Reply #117)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 11:24 AM

125. When I was in Law School ...

 

one of my most impactful experiences came in an Advanced Legal Reasoning (writing) course. The first day of the course, we were assigned to select a legal issue that we felt strongly about. We, then, spent the next month researching and writing on that topic (this work accounted for 25% of our final grade) ... Then, for the rest of the course, we had to research and answer all of our initial arguments (this accounted for 75% of our final grade).

Now ... Let's do the same thought experiment ... take a step outside of your self and ponder what else I, possibly, could be meaning by that?

Brainstorm interpretations, whether the responses seem plausible to you or not.

If you are up to the challenge, you can respond here.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #125)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 11:40 AM

131. I only know what you post

If you truly believe that Sen. Sanders does not care about non-whites then that's your issue, not mine. In the post I linked you hold up the fact that there are a whole bunches of white faces as proof that Sen. Sanders doesn't give a crap. You even note a "pattern". He's walked the walk, not just talked the talk but you continue to equate white audiences in white states as proof of his apathy for non-whites.

Again, if that's what you want to believe then it's your issue. Ignore his record. Ignore his votes. Ignore his history. I fully support your right to do so even while disagreeing with you. You could at least have the decency to own it.

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Response to tazkcmo (Reply #131)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 12:29 PM

148. Who gives a crap about his "history" other than the Reagan Democrats he's trying to woo?

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #148)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 09:08 PM

275. Reagan Democrats?

That is a new attack angle I hadn't heard.

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Response to blackspade (Reply #275)

Wed Jul 8, 2015, 09:33 AM

323. I'll bet there's quite a bit you "hadn't heard". n/t

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #323)

Wed Jul 8, 2015, 01:37 PM

330. Such as?

If you are going to verbally attack someone at least make some sense.

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Response to tazkcmo (Reply #131)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 12:48 PM

155. I've asked you to step outside yourself ...

 

to avail yourself of a growth opportunity ... you reject/avoid that, to argue the meaning of what I, and others, have already told you, and others that reached the same conclusion, that you have what I have been saying all wrong.

If you truly believe that Sen. Sanders does not care about non-whites then that's your issue, not mine.


Who has the "issue"?

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Response to tazkcmo (Reply #117)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 11:31 AM

127. Come on! You've got to have more depth than that

"Whoa hooo! Wake me when "minorities" get to play."

You can't be serious. That's all you got out of that post?

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Response to brush (Reply #127)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 11:43 AM

133. That's all there was.

Did I miss something else in the OP? I re-read it just in case. So, yes. That's what I got out of the words he wrote which I quoted.

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Response to tazkcmo (Reply #133)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 11:47 AM

136. Ok-a-a-a-a-a-a-y. Never mind then. nt

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Response to tazkcmo (Reply #133)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 12:51 PM

156. Yes ... you are missing a great mopportunity to grow ...

 

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Response to crim son (Reply #58)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 10:26 AM

111. This ...

 

If he had, he'd know they are largely recent immigrants of the refugee variety, and have probably been in town for fewer than ten years. They have been in many cases poorly received and there's an excellent chance they have other things on their mind besides attending political rallies.


Is likely true ... and made MORE likely when they know what they will hear (i.e., economic justice, the rigged economic system and breaking up the banks ... and, oh yeah, Black youth unemployment, police brutality and mass incarceration of the poor and Blacks) is tangentially (at best) related to their being poorly received.

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Response to crim son (Reply #58)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 10:51 AM

118. The demographics of Maine have changed a lot,

even before I moved away in 1996. Not only was the population of African Americans increasing but there was a rise in Asians as well. I was on the jury and voted to hide it because I felt like the OP was rushing to judgment without conducting any research.

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Response to avebury (Reply #118)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 12:41 PM

151. You voted to hide a post because "the OP was rushing to judgement without conducting any research"?

That sounds to me like a definite abuse of the jury system.

Essentially, it seems you didn't like what someone was saying, so instead of debating it in the open, you decided to hide it and help silence the person making the argument, rather than dispute the argument itself.

If you want to dispute an OP: dispute it. Present your own "research" and argue it out in the open.

I think using a jury stint to silence someone with whom you disagree politically is very far from being progressive or democratic.

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Response to thucythucy (Reply #151)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 03:19 PM

202. Hey if someone alerts on a post

and I am on the jury I am going to vote up or down and from time to time bale on a jury when I don't have all day to even try to figure out why a post was alerted on. The post being alerted on insinuated certain things that I knew, from personal experience, was wrong. I think that Gov. Paul LePage has a lot of people (who are not familiar with Maine) convinced that Maine is an uber right wing tea party haven. When I am on my cell phone and not my computer you are just not going to see a lengthy response to anything, whether I am on a "jury" or not. Had I not gotten a "jury invite" I most likely wouldn't have even noticed the thread. I don't have the time or energy to read every thread on DU.

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Response to avebury (Reply #202)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 04:41 PM

222. Hey, if someone disagrees with you

I guess your response is to censor them, rather than to debate. Because you're just so very very busy.

If you're too busy "to figure out why a post was alerted on" maybe you just better pass on jury duty.

I'd hate to have you on a real jury.

"Hey, I'm busy. I voted guilty 'cause I just don't have time or energy to deal with all this 'evidence' BS."

Like I said, hardly progressive or Democratic.

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Response to bahrbearian (Reply #15)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 07:30 AM

22. Looks to me like 1Strong was the one alert swarmed

Race bait, flame bait, copy cat thread. It's divisive, unfounded and race trolling. The demographic make up of a state has jack shit to do with minorities "getting to play." This is offensive and over the top.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251428686#post22


And I think I love this juror


Explanation: This is the alert "It's divisive, unfounded and race trolling. The demographic make up of a state has jack shit to do with minorities "getting to play." This is offensive and over the top." You want to know what is over the top? Telling POC they have no place at the table. You tried this in the African American Group the other night. You are trying to shut them down. A PoC is asking questions about Bernie, questions for what Bernie would do for him and his family. He never got an answer he got swarmed. He was called a fake black man accused of being a Lee Atwater type. He was told he was race baiting. Here we go again 1StrongBlackMan brings up concerns and he is slapped down and told to shut up by the Bernies here. Not a pretty picture of the candidate or his supporters. I am beyond disgust. LEAVE IT!



The minute one accuses black people of race baiting they get thrown in the trash pile and I no longer consider them my ally.

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #22)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 09:15 AM

89. The powers that be have said the evidence of alert trolling is scant

...and even in the unlikely event there is such things as alert trolls, the controls in place will throttle their efforts. I'm not sure if I really believe that, but the admins do review all alerts, so I'm sure they know about whatever patterns exist with those who try to wear out the alert button. One can only hope they will get their due someday and it will send a loud and clear message.

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Response to Major Nikon (Reply #89)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 02:48 PM

190. How can Admin know that these attacks aren't coordinated at other sites? I can think of two....

right off the top of my head. Even the "safe havens" aren't safe anymore.

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #190)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 05:25 PM

238. There's also the tactic of multiple DUers sharing passwords for sock accounts

I think the answer to your question is often they don't know and people manage to get away with it, and sometimes even when they get caught they still manage not to get the boot.

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #190)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 09:28 PM

279. So you think its more likely that someone is coordinating to get a DU member banned? Why?

If the poster was someone important at a state or national level I suppose it could happen but if they arent important why bother?
Afterall wouldnt you need alot of people to monitor the forums 24/7 and follow that single poster waiting like a spider hoping against hope that they will screw up so a post of theirs can be reported and hidden?
Besides that there is whole jury thing which you would think counter such an effort because the jury system is anonymous and random unless someone has found a to hack it.

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #22)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 10:27 AM

112. Thanks~

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #22)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 10:42 AM

115. The post that you are responding to and the one it is defending ...

 

is a perfect example of what I mentioned here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/118717346#post57

And the response to the OP, is a perfect example of what I mentioned here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/118717415#post1

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Response to bahrbearian (Reply #15)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 10:21 AM

109. I notice that one of alert gang has 3 hides herself.

 

So you know the expression what goes around, comes around? It's karmic.

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Response to closeupready (Reply #109)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 02:40 PM

184. How do you tell how many hides a poster has when the transparency page is not displayed?

I looked at the profile, but it didn't mention how many hides the poster has. TIA.

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #184)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 02:44 PM

186. If you are viewing someone's Profile Information page,

 

there is a subsection under "Statistics and Information" entitled "Jury" - next to that is "Chance of Serving on Juries:" with a percentage and "explain)" - click on explain, and if there are any hidden posts, you will see that since it affects the percentage.

Let me know if that is unclear.

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Response to closeupready (Reply #186)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 02:51 PM

193. You explained that beautifully. I never knew that. You can teach an old dog......

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #193)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 02:57 PM

197. It's all mind over matter.

 

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Response to bahrbearian (Reply #15)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 04:24 PM

216. Bonobo's "contribution" to that thread was to accuse a black man of "race baiting"

Every single freaking post of his doing so should have been hidden.

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Response to Number23 (Reply #216)

Wed Jul 8, 2015, 08:11 PM

352. I took a hit in that thread myself.

Calling him on it.

and then there's this gem...


http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=426550

yeah, they're swarming the shit out of this place.

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Response to Bobbie Jo (Reply #352)

Wed Jul 8, 2015, 08:19 PM

353. BJ!!!



Girl, don't you know the best way to counter alert stalking is by alert stalking???! Tuck the little ones in before you see the horrors contained within my latest hidden post!! The delicate flowers that were so upset by this won't be able to eat for a week! http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1187&pid=17799

"they're swarming the shit out of this place"


And they can have it too.

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Response to Number23 (Reply #353)

Wed Jul 8, 2015, 08:39 PM

355. Utter blasphemy!!

But....gotta say

BWAAAAAAAAAAAHH

You do know your way around the turn of a phrase.

Total bullshit hide, but damn - that's why I just love you to pieces.

Go down swinging, I always say...

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Response to Bobbie Jo (Reply #355)

Wed Jul 8, 2015, 09:03 PM

357. Do you think it's safe to let the kids out of their room now?? We wouldn't want the little darlings

to be traumatized by the horrors of that hidden post!

that's why I just love you to pieces.


Back atcha baby!!

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Response to Number23 (Reply #357)

Wed Jul 8, 2015, 10:40 PM

359. LOL ...

 

You so baddddd!

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #8)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 04:55 PM

231. I cant see another members transparency page, says since there are less than 5 or something

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Response to randys1 (Reply #231)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 05:08 PM

234. Click on Chance of serving on Juries:

He is one hide from a timeout.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #234)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 05:12 PM

236. See that now, thanks. As to hides, any suggestion that white people in America

regardless of political stripe, are part of a privileged class all of whom are receiving privilege on a daily basis, is something that many here wont tolerate.

When someone points out that the white group of assholes in Murietta CA demanding those children be turned back to certain death, are terrible fucking racists, one could get a hide.

Imagine if a POC said some of the things I have seen white people like me say, whoa nellie.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 06:55 AM

10. Rec!

 

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 06:56 AM

11. I love 1StrongBlackMan!

He often questions the inherent gospel of the inalienable rights of white folk. And for that, I thank him forever.

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Response to shaayecanaan (Reply #16)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 07:32 AM

23. Yep he sure does n/t

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Response to shaayecanaan (Reply #16)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 07:43 AM

29. Group Host - please back away from this group and this thread

Thanks.

This is due to the 'ratphucker' (basically rat fucker) accusation lodged here. I'm up to five pm's regarding this thread.

Best thing is - if you are a member of the Sanders group would be to do a meta thread there.

Thanks again!

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #29)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 07:51 AM

34. Apologies

hadnt noticed. Will delete.

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Response to shaayecanaan (Reply #34)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 07:56 AM

39. No need to delete - and

If anyone else responds to your post send me a pm and I'll give them the same message.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 06:59 AM

12. K&R

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #14)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 07:15 AM

17. Why did you change your reply.

"Is "posting while black" now a hideable offense?"

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Response to bahrbearian (Reply #17)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 07:19 AM

18. Now the whole post is gone so "they" can't use it as a pretext to silence me too...

eom

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Response to bahrbearian (Reply #17)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 07:41 AM

28. Group Host - please back away from this group and this thread

You can block DemSinceBirth


You can put this entire group in Trash


Thanks -greatly appreciate it - have actual work to do today.

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #28)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 07:47 AM

32. You have the patience of Job, god bless you.

Oh, and the restraint of Gandhi.

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #28)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 07:55 AM

36. Mahalo Gen~

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #28)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 08:21 AM

57. .

 

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 07:26 AM

20. K&R

 

By far one of my favorite posters.

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Response to NCTraveler (Reply #20)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 07:36 AM

25. FIXED

By far one of my favorite people...


I know a bit about his real life persona. What he has done with his life and for his community is remarkable. He is the embodiment of the American dream and the fulfillment of the dreams of Lincoln, Martin, and Malcolm.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #25)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 07:49 AM

33. +1

 

There are a handful of posters here that I always read and rarely ever post replies to. They simply know more about topics I am interested in and are willing to be educational and thorough in their posting. This poster is one of them. I had a discussion behind the scene with someone not long ago about this. I sent them a message telling them I always read their posts and find them to be very educational. In their reply, they told me they weren't sure if anyone read them except for their detractors and thanked me for letting them know I enjoyed reading their work.

I will put this here for 1strong: I love reading your work here. You are educational and your posts have taught me things. Keep it up.

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Response to NCTraveler (Reply #33)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 02:16 PM

179. I agree on that.

I don't always respond to 1strong, H20Man, Omaha Steve, or McCamy Taylor. I read what they write. When I do respond, it is to ask questions or kick the thread.

We should be coming here to learn, not to fight.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 07:28 AM

21. Thank you for making us aware of this, DSB.. We love 1StrongBlackMan's voice on DU.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 07:40 AM

26. In case you are up . . .

Sanders (Rev Al kept pronouncing it as Saunders last night) was on MSNBC. So we are watching as we are making dinner.

And my Gio - bless his heart - is watching intently.

It was a question about race - and why he's not attracting that crowd - and The Gio goes -

But he didn't answer the question. He went to economic policy and started talking about free college.

Me - and so what?

Him - those people haven't prepared black kids for college. Shut this nonsense off.



Which lead to a discussion about how Bernie was talking about 'not being on a street corner doing drugs blah blah' . . .

Sanders has three points of light - that's it. He's so focused on college that he can't get around to admitting that even during the Clinton Admin (he was a Member of the House that entire time) urban and rural children were getting the shaft. They weren't getting the best BASIC education . . . Now they aren't prepared for two or four year college.



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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #26)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 07:47 AM

30. Thanks for that report, Gen!

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #26)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 08:54 AM

73. Thank you for the information.

I also heard a talking head interview a week or so ago (I was tipped off by this group, IIRC) where he had an opening you could drive a truck through to address race, and didn't.

Someone who has his ear needs to speak to him about this. I hope he would listen.

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #26)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 12:45 PM

154. Thanks for the report, Gen

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #26)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 03:46 PM

207. Thanks for reporting. I switched channels cuz I thought Rev was gonna gush over BS' "crowds".

It's good to hear he asked him a REAL question. Oh, and I agree with Gio....."Shut this nonsense off". I had been doing the same thing with Rachel, and finally removed her from my DVR lineup.

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #207)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 06:19 PM

244. Yeah - he blasted some Muddy!



I'm a mannish boy sung in an off key Italian accent no Buono!

Him wasn't happy with the dodge, deflect, and defer. Understand - he's extremely close with my nephews. He's been pissed for about two years . . .

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #26)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 05:13 PM

237. I like your Gio more each day.



those people haven't prepared black kids for college.

Seems like such a common sense point. And yet....

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 07:47 AM

31. 1SBM is a huge target. He doesn't "toe the line", if you know what I mean. I had a post hidden...

after that kickoff event for BS, and another post hidden for noting the glaring similarities of BS' audiences. All very homogenous, and it could be that's where he's choosing to spend his time, because he's most popular in that particular environment. Good for him. He should go where he's in demand.

As for DU'ers like 1SBM daring to ask questions about someone seeking the highest office in the land? How dare he. Since they obviously don't like what they read in this "protected group", why don't they just trash it, and save themselves the trouble of being confronted with inconvenient truths?

I trashed the BS Group and GDP, and it made the DU experience so much nicer. I have a feeling that since we're avoiding their groups and forums, they're really bored with the echo chamber effect, so they've taken to baiting in this forum, the HRC Group, and the BOG.

What we discuss here should be protected, and perhaps should be by invitation. Alert swarming sucks!

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #31)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 07:55 AM

35. We call him that "one in ten thousand."

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #104)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 12:17 PM

146. You wouldn't think we'd be dragged back to that by a group of enlightened "liberals", would ya?

It's clear to anyone, with the slightest bit of gray matter between the ears, that you have been selected. Maybe they think taking you out will be suitable revenge for SKP? Who knows? It's a very uncomfortable position to be in, but stopping conversation here at DU won't stop the conversation offline. That's what barbershops & beauty salons were made for. If you want to gauge opinion in our community, just go get your hair did.

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #146)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 01:57 PM

174. I know ...

 

as I indicated ... I was in the Barbershop, this past Friday ... of course, politics was talked.

Everyone in the shop was Black and everyone knew, both, who Bernie is, about his organizational membership, about his marching with MLK, and his current political positions.

Every one was luke warm to him ... and it had nothing to do with thinking he is "racist" or any particular love for HRC.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #174)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 02:34 PM

182. Reception to BS will continue to be "lukewarm"; his 55 y.o. civil rights dossier notwithstanding.

There's not going to be any sudden awakening to BS outside the angry white male who never gave a shit about income inequality until they were the ones getting burned. We know BS, and declarations to the contrary are insulting.

There's a reason BS is sticking to certain enclaves. I don't blame him. He's popular there. But the mere suggestion that his campaign seems a little insensitive, suddenly becomes an accusation that someone called Bernie a racist. I still haven't seen the post where that happened. Admittedly, I trashed the BS Group & GDP, so I may have missed it.

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #182)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 02:50 PM

191. I suspect the campaign bet is ...

 

after looking at the non-voting numbers, they can pull enough disaffected white males and disengaged, non-voters, to cancel out the lost Black vote and get them through the primaries ... knowing that Black people will do what we always have done ... vote for the Democratic nominee.

It's a gamble that paid off in Reagan (though for very different reason) and very similar to FDR's 1936 run.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #191)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 02:53 PM

195. It is a gamble. And if that's a real strategy? I'll go ahead & say GOOD LUCK WITH THAT!




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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #195)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 03:09 PM

199. I didn't say it's a smart strategy or a wise gamble ...

 

but it is not without precedent.

{Please note ... I AM NOT SAYING THAT BERNIE OR HIS CAMPAIGN IS RACIST.}

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #199)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 03:12 PM

201. "{Please note ... I AM NOT SAYING THAT BERNIE OR HIS CAMPAIGN IS RACIST.}"

I'm thinking of making that my sig line.

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #201)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 03:20 PM

203. If I knew how to do a sig line ...

 

it would be.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #203)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 03:41 PM

206. Just go to your profile page, and EDIT the "signature line", up to 400 characters. See my sig.....?

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #206)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 03:51 PM

210. It worked ... It worked! n/t

 

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #210)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 03:57 PM

213. I love it!




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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #210)

Wed Jul 8, 2015, 05:51 AM

311. .

I have stolen your sig.

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Response to stonecutter357 (Reply #311)

Wed Jul 8, 2015, 07:07 AM

319. I figured it was add the sig line; or, change ...

 

my screen-name ... every time I post, that is what some people read.

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #182)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 04:32 PM

219. No, you didn't miss a damn thing.

But the mere suggestion that his campaign seems a little insensitive, suddenly becomes an accusation that someone called Bernie a racist. I still haven't seen the post where that happened.

That's because no one has EVER called him a racist. What you're seeing now is the same thing that's always been there. Whenever someone with melanin tries to even discuss Bernie's lack of attention to minority communities, some white person comes flying out of nowhere to scream that people are "calling him a racist."

The varnish on Sanders is so thin that even ASKING QUESTIONS IMPORTANT TO OUR COMMUNITY is considered painting him as a racist. THIS kind of shit is why racism will never go away.

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Response to Number23 (Reply #219)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 04:56 PM

232. Like I told 1SBM, just because you shut down the conversation here doesn't mean the conversation....

isn't happening. It is indeed happening, and the results aren't good for BS. I think Jonathan Capehart put it best when he called Bernie "a novelty". And like most novelties, they wear off. He could have been much more than that, but I fear the strong & almost exclusive attention paid to the Thom Hartmann demographic has sealed his fate.

As a person of color, I can't look at those rallies and feel included, and nothing will stop me from saying that. If you're threatened by the mere question about the lack of diversity, then you don't represent me, and I certainly don't want a Ron Paul knock-off occupying Democratic space. The angry white Reagan Democrat is not representative of today's Democratic Party. For all the talk about third way, DLC, blah..blah..blah. Why would "liberals" want to attract more of that? And that's what I see when I look at BS' "crowds".

"THIS kind of shit is why racism will never go away."


Speak on it!

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #232)

Wed Jul 8, 2015, 01:22 AM

295. Oh, you got that right. "just because you shut down the conversation HERE

doesn't mean the conversation isn't happening."

Tell it! I just got another jury hide. http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1187&pid=17799

Didn't you know that alert stalking is a FABULOUS way to prove that there is no alert stalking??! I'm sure that person who had to "think hard" before alerting on my horribly terrible posts is just besides themselves.

The angry white Reagan Democrat is not representative of today's Democratic Party.

The Archie Bunker types, huh? Relics of a long gone age. JAG talks about that here http://www.democraticunderground.com/118716410

But you have simply GOT to read this tweet. Sums it all up perfectly:

https://twitter.com/root_e/status/610952784410710016

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Response to Number23 (Reply #295)

Wed Jul 8, 2015, 10:07 AM

326. I love that tweet!



Talk about a BS hide (no pun intended). Yet, we're told there's no evidence of alert stalking. There was nothing personal in that post. The new strategy seems to be if we can't win you over, we'll make you disappear? How does that help?

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #232)

Wed Jul 8, 2015, 04:42 PM

339. I have to disagree ...

 

I think Jonathan Capehart put it best when he called Bernie "a novelty". And like most novelties, they wear off.


I know people that still have a Pet Rock and a couple Mood Rings!

As a person of color, I can't look at those rallies and feel included, and nothing will stop me from saying that.


Well ... Just wait! He will eventually get to venues where the surround demographics are <90 white ... and there will likely be a few Black folks and Latinos in the audience ... but in the mean time, Bernie could be more welcoming (to PoC - beyond DU) if he would devout more of his address to talking about racial issues, in non-economic terms.

{Wandering thought ... I wonder what would happen if at his next public event, he flipped the script and spoke for 50 minutes on racial injustice, and 10 minutes on economic justice, the rigged system, breaking up the banks, etc?

I suspect Black folks would take note and Bernie's supporters would walk out saying }

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #339)

Wed Jul 8, 2015, 05:10 PM

340. He'd lose about half his support. That's not what his audiences come to hear. As for the.....

conversation they keep trying to shut down? It's happening whether BS and his followers choose to acknowledge it or not.

Why Bernie Sanders’s Momentum Is Not Built to Last
by Nate Cohn............JULY 8, 2015


Bernie Sanders is surging. He trailed Hillary Rodham Clinton by as much as 50 points in the polls a few months ago, but he has pulled within 10 points in New Hampshire, according to some surveys. He has doubled his support in Iowa over the last month. The signs of his support are palpable: Last week, about 10,000 people attended an event in Madison, Wis., and he announced that he raised $15 million in the first three months of his campaign.

But the Sanders surge is about to hit a wall: the rank and file of the Democratic primary electorate.

Without Support From Black Voters, Obama Would Have Been Crushed

He would have lost by more than 20 percentage points to Hillary Clinton. New Hampshire and Iowa would have been among his best states.

<snip>.....
But the Democratic primary electorate is nothing like Madison or Burlington, Vt. It’s not even much like New Hampshire or Iowa, where a liberal Democratic primary candidate can compete or even win. Elsewhere, the party includes a large number of less educated, more religious — often older, Southern or nonwhite — voters who are far from uniformly liberal. That’s true whether judged by ideological self-identification or by their actual policy views.

<snip>.....
But Mr. Sanders’s problem runs a lot deeper than name recognition. A lot of these Democrats just aren’t consistently liberal, as the polling data suggests. It is not at all clear that a self-described socialist would fare well in the affluent, well-educated, socially liberal but fiscally moderate communities where Mr. Obama and even Bill Bradley excelled.

It is even harder to imagine how Mr. Sanders could replicate the strength among black voters that was essential to Mr. Obama’s success. Mr. Sanders has struggled to inch out of the single digits among nonwhite voters in national surveys.



http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/09/upshot/why-bernie-sanderss-momentum-is-not-built-to-last.html?_r=0&abt=0002&abg=0

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #340)

Wed Jul 8, 2015, 05:28 PM

341. Hey ...

 

Don't call DU:Bernie racists!!!!!

In 3 ... 2 ... 1 ...

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #341)

Wed Jul 8, 2015, 11:07 PM

360. The fact that Nate Cohn isn't black might help dispel some of the myths & accusations.




Number Cruncher
Writer/Journalist
Washington, District Of Columbia


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Response to Number23 (Reply #219)

Wed Jul 8, 2015, 04:29 PM

336. LOL ...

 

Whenever someone with melanin tries to even discuss Bernie's lack of attention to minority communities, some white person comes flying out of nowhere to scream that people are "calling him a racist."


And reminds us he marched with the Good Reverend Doctor and was a member of SNCC (until he grew frustrated with them because of they insistence on focusing on race)! ... Don't forget that!

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #336)

Wed Jul 8, 2015, 05:53 PM

342. Noticed that, did you. You know like I have said, I dont think Bernie is one bit less concerned

about racial injustice as Hillary is, but that is easy for me to say or observe, given racial injustice has ZERO direct impact on my life.

Today I am hearing that Bernie said America needs to apologize for slavery.

This is a start, I say apologize and reimburse.

I do get a kick out of watching white people lecture to Black people about what Black people should and should not think or care about.

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #182)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 08:42 PM

272. "BS is sticking to certain enclaves"

I thought those were mostly early Primary states? Of course you could make the argument that early Primary states are "certain enclaves" and then deduce from there. My impression is that his audience thus far is the people who have already been listening to his message (pre-Presidential run) and their immediate friends and family. As a supporter, i expect his rhetoric will resonate with more folk as time passes. Of course he will adjust his focus... i think he will spend more time on these issues as he wends through the south. We'll just have to see.



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Response to druidity33 (Reply #272)

Wed Jul 8, 2015, 09:31 AM

322. He's going where RT, Ed Schultz & Thom Hartmann tell him his "audience" is.

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Response to druidity33 (Reply #272)

Thu Jul 9, 2015, 03:36 AM

362. Is Maine an early primary state?

And I would suggest his supporters in the North demand he come to their states too -


https://www.census.gov/newsroom/releases/archives/2010_census/cb11-cn185.html

     The 10 states with the largest black alone-or-in-combination populations in 2010 were New York (3.3 million), Florida (3.2 million), Texas (3.2 million), Georgia (3.1 million), California (2.7 million), North Carolina (2.2 million), Illinois (2.0 million), Maryland (1.8 million), Virginia (1.7 million) and Ohio (1.5 million). Among these states, four experienced substantial growth between 2000 and 2010. The black alone-or-in-combination population in Florida grew by 29 percent, Georgia by 28 percent, Texas by 27 percent and North Carolina by 21 percent.


NY
CA
IL
MD (mid Atlantic)
OH

He should also be made aware of the reverse migration of educated black folks - we tend to be the children (now its going to the grandchildren) of the tail end of the great migration. IE our parents came "up South" in the 60's and 70's because with their collegiate diplomas could only get hired in NY, OH, MI, etc etc.

He needs to speak to parts of GA(hot lanta), TX (telecom), and NC (research triangle) as educated black northerners.

If I look at my prep school class (1991) and the African Americans in that class - I'm the only one who stayed North (NJ) but still moved 450 miles away from home for better job opportunities. Everyone else - MD, DC, GA, TX, NC, and who knew - Nashville.

Regardless - race matters in NY. And in MI. And in Philly and Pitt. And in Cleveland and Cincinatti.

And guess what - those are states that are gonna vote blue. If a Democratic candidate doesn't nail down NY in a GE they are a failure. Epic failure.

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #362)

Thu Jul 9, 2015, 05:00 AM

364. No, but it is next door to Vermont...

you know, the state Bernie serves in the Senate for. Bernie losing NY? When was the last time NY voted for an R in the General? Reagan? Bernie is not going to lose a blue state to Jeb or Ted, sorry.



btw, race matters EVERYWHERE. Not just in NY, you know it even matters in Maine.



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Response to druidity33 (Reply #364)

Thu Jul 9, 2015, 06:16 AM

366. It could happen

If I follow Bernie's advice - and to vote based upon how my family is doing and not skin color -

Then I shouldn't be a Democratic Party member.

I'm a Democratic Party member due to my strong opinions on climate change, infrastructure and social issues.

Just saying - if you are as strong and as hip deep in the Sanders campaign - you should volunteer to go knock on doors in Alphabet soup in Rochester NY, or down in Camden NJ, or the South Side of Chicago.

I've made clear to the O'Malley campaign I can do NH, Camden, Newark, Rochester, and Buffalo.


No other comments other than - it's close to Vermont?

I'm not surprised - there is an unwillingness to listen to black folks who are telling you - what Rick Perry just said is HUGE. As is - that tens of millions of dollars given to the UNCF by the Koch brothers last year. And I believes it's Charles Koch who is questioning (seriously questioning) our criminal INjustice system.

That UNCF donation - that was shot gun blast . . .

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #366)

Thu Jul 9, 2015, 09:12 AM

369. i can't follow what you're talking about...

Of course i'm volunteering for Bernie. I will be in NH and phone-banking for him when the time comes. When you dismissed Maine as a state worth campaigning in, i noted perhaps it was convenient for him to stop in now... because, you know, he happens to live nearby. Are we not doing this "50 state strategy" anymore? If his objective is to move the Overton window, shouldn't he be doing that wherever he can?

As for the skin color comment, i really don't know where that's coming from or how to respond to it. I truly believe that commenters who believe Bernie doesn't care about Race Matters are being overly punitive. In what way do you think Bernie would vote AGAINST any progressive Race legislation? In what ways has he (a Primary candidate, mind) failed to address your concerns in regard to Race. I really am curious here... he has a record that is easy to look up.



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Response to druidity33 (Reply #369)

Thu Jul 9, 2015, 09:31 AM

370. The skin color comment was made by Senator Sanders

There's a post by sheshe here in the op (made last night should be easy to find) where a quote in context was made.

I don't dismiss Maine as a state worth campaigning in - I've just VERY clearly - VERY CLEARLY pointed out that if he has moment or two -he might want to make headway in some of the states that we know are going to go for Hillary - without a fight from O'Malley or Sanders supporters. And those states - have black people living in them in the top 1% - down to the last, the least, and the lost.

I seriously don't know if the Democratic Party intends to do the 50 state strategy - if Senator Sanders is as part of his primary campaign - kudos to him. As a Democratic Party member - I think this election is about realizing you can't win Mississippi - but you better go genitalia to the walls in Michigan, Ohio, PA, NJ, VA, MD, etc. etc.

And in regards to Sanders addressing race - He's not really an option for me at all. It has LESS to do with race and much more to do with him having three bullet points for American success.

I want to see a 10 page document on his financial/economy approach.

And I need to see him put Green Infrastructure Development/Renewal (requires skilled blue collar labor, can be isolationist in it's approach to hiring i.e. no visas necessary, and if done as a New Deal type of program - could be highly paid positions) plan out there.

Now here's the thing - that's NOT what appeals to his voters. It's bankers, financial equality, labor (as it exists today). He's GOT to go with that. And that's what is working for him.

It won't work for me. September 2017 middle class kids who received excellent public educations are college ready. They will go - debt free *cross fingers* for 4-6 years. But September/October 2017 - I'd like to see a lot of kids making $15 to $20 an hour soldering (because we've trained them on OUR dime - not theirs) to weld solar shingles at Elon Musk's factory up in Buffalo.

I know - radical idea - but it's one O'Malley is in front of Sanders and Clinton on. So there's no need to give me a song and dance about Clinton and Sanders when they got to the stage too late to give me a high kick.


ETA - here's the clip - it's really good - go over to NPR
http://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2014/11/19/365024592/sen-bernie-sanders-on-how-democrats-lost-white-voters
This subtitle comes from NPR - not mine: On African-American support for Democrats
Well, here's what you got. What you got is an African-American president, and the African-American community is very, very proud that this country has overcome racism and voted for him for president. And that's kind of natural. You've got a situation where the Republican Party has been strongly anti-immigration, and you've got a Hispanic community which is looking to the Democrats for help.

But that's not important. You should not be basing your politics based on your color. What you should be basing your politics on is, how is your family doing? ... In the last election, in state after state, you had an abysmally low vote for the Democrats among white, working-class people. And I think the reason for that is that the Democrats have not made it clear that they are prepared to stand with the working-class people of this country, take on the big money interests. I think the key issue that we have to focus on, and I know people are uncomfortable about talking about it, is the role of the billionaire class in American society.



Who is speaking to there? White people? Who are disenchanted with the outreach made by the Democratic Party to the minority community? Black people - believe it or not - we don't all live in the ghetto. . . if he's talking to us -he just told me to go vote for Rand Paul - because that's where my family's financial interests lay.

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #31)

Thu Jul 9, 2015, 02:17 PM

379. Just remember these threads - Journal Primaries and GE

When the General Election rolls around . . .

Or -when the Primary Republican Rallies look the same . . .


I guess folks are gonna have to keep their fingers still because if it's not right to point it out about one - it's not right to point it out about another.


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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #379)

Thu Jul 9, 2015, 02:37 PM

380. I've said before...if you took BS off the stage, and put Donald Trump in his place, the audience....

would look exactly the same. I don't know why that simple observation makes some people so upset. I've heard several commentators & strategists over the past couple of weeks make this observation. They talk about the hate mail and nasty tweets they get from BS "supporters" for simply pointing out the very homogenous appearance of BS' rallies. They call in to NPR and want the media to discuss the size of BS' crowds, just not what they look like. I would suggest that the time spent trying to shut down the discussion, would be much better spent trying to rectify it.

It was pointed out last night on Rev Al's show that while huge crowds is very exciting, the folks in attendance won't be the deciding factor in the primaries, and certainly not the GE.

Obama put together an amazing coalition that yielded 3 out of 4 Latinos; 3 out of 4 Asian Americans; and the black vote was off the charts. BS is not speaking to me, and if polling is to be believed, he's not speaking to huge majorities of us.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 07:55 AM

37. The question is whether intentionally & falsely framing a person as a racist violates the guidelines

 

If so, then 1SBM is facing the consequences of his own decisions. Poutrage is nothing but.

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Response to Android3.14 (Reply #37)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 07:59 AM

42. Who did ISBM intentionally frame as a racist ?

Thank you in advance?

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #42)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 08:38 AM

67. Bernie Sanders

 

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Response to Android3.14 (Reply #67)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 08:53 AM

72. By discussing the demographics of a particular city?

If I said I live in Los Angeles and there are a lot of Latinos, African Americans, Latinos, and Asians does that make me a racist?

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #72)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 09:12 AM

86. You are very selective

 

He does have a history of tying it to Bernie and by inference calling him racist, yes.

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Response to Duckhunter935 (Reply #86)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 09:15 AM

88. That is the inference you are making...

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #88)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 10:04 AM

103. It's right here in this post, and the one it's replying to:

 

The claim Sanders is deliberately avoiding non-white audiences

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=428986

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Response to arcane1 (Reply #103)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 10:11 AM

105. I have made a similar observation.

 

His events are located in places where there are very few black people. We notice when nobody in the crowd looks like us. Hard not to notice.

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Response to bravenak (Reply #105)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 11:10 AM

122. That's a long way from saying he's avoiding non-whites on purpose n/t

 

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Response to arcane1 (Reply #103)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 10:16 AM

107. If I said I don't expect to see Kanye at the Grande Ole Opry soon.

Does that mean I believe him or they (Grand Ole Opry fans) are racists?

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #72)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 10:02 AM

102. All in good time

 

I'm asking if falsely portraying someone as a racist is acceptable on DU. Let's answer that question before we begin debating whether 1SBM did that.

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Response to Android3.14 (Reply #102)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 10:13 AM

106. It not only one would be unacceptable here. It would/should be unacceptable anywhere.

Woe to me to speak for 1SBM but I believe the gravamen of his argument is that Senator Sanders is campaigning in homogeneous areas because he feels that is where he will get the warmest receptions. I don't see anything particularly remarkable or controversial about that observation. That's why you shouldn't expect Eminem to be performing at the Grand Ole Opry or Garth Brooks playing at the Apollo.


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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #106)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 10:47 AM

116. Actually, the gravamen (thanks for the new word) is that Bernie is a racist

 

Actually, the gravamen (thanks for the new word) is that 1SBM is portraying Bernie as a racist because he is campaigning in areas that 1SBM disapproves.

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Response to Android3.14 (Reply #116)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 10:54 AM

119. Respectfully, I don't see how you can make that inference...

ISBM merely stated that Senator Sanders is campaigning in areas he finds he is the most welcomed.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #119)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 11:41 AM

132. Let's have us a gentleperson's agreement

 

I'll avoid treating you as stupid if you do the same for me, respectfully.

What 1SBM actually "merely" did was write the following -

"Whoa hooo! Wake me when "minorities" get to play. (Just noting the pattern continues.)"

In this direct quote, 1SBM implies that Sanders is a racist by keeping non-whites away. By the conditions we agreed to, that intentionally and falsely painting someone as a racist is worthy of censure, there is a strong argument that 1SBM is simply facing the consequences of his ill-considered words.

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Response to Android3.14 (Reply #132)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 12:45 PM

153. ISBM is not suggesting Senator Sanders is a racist.

I don't believe ISBM is suggesting Senator Sanders is a racist. I do believe he is suggesting that Senator Sanders isn't prioritizing issues of importance to his community. It seems to some of us that Senator Sanders believes that everything is subsumed under the class struggle when in fact a lot of challenges minority folks face is independent of it...

"The Man" represents a lot more than one percent of the population.


ISBM really needs to pipe in... I don't think minority folks lay all their problems at the feet of the 1% and I don't think they spend much time thinking about them.


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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #153)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 01:00 PM

161. We will just have to agree to disagree

 

I'll have to accept that you believe ""Whoa hooo! Wake me when "minorities" get to play. (Just noting the pattern continues.)" has the rather benign interpretation of "Senator Sanders isn't prioritizing issues of importance to his community", though I cannot fathom how you came to that conclusion.

Thanks for the interaction.

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Response to Android3.14 (Reply #161)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 01:29 PM

169. He can come to that conclusion because ...

 

that is what I have said ... repeatedly.

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Response to Android3.14 (Reply #161)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 10:17 PM

287. Sanders is not prioritizing issues important to minority communities.

He avoids these issues. Why?

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #153)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 01:28 PM

168. In fact, I have said more times than I can recall that ...

 

I do not believe Senator Sanders is a racist.

I don't think minority folks lay all their problems at the feet of the 1% and I don't think they spend much time thinking about them.


That is an accurate statement ... and truth be told, I don't think any working class person spends much time thinking about the 1%.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #168)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 01:32 PM

170. Probably because there are dozens of layers between them

That is an accurate statement ... and truth be told, I don't think any working class person spends much time thinking about the 1%.


Probably because there are dozens of layers between them. I suspect you really have to be closer to them to really dislike em...


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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #170)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 01:37 PM

171. +1. n/t

 

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #168)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 09:35 PM

283. The way I

look at it, not all so-called 1%ers are malevolent, and not all so-called 99%ers are on my side or share my interests. There are 1%ers like Warren Buffet and the owners of Ben and Jerry's who are perfectly willing to pay higher taxes, see stiffer regulations, higher minimum wages, etc., and there are 99%ers who oppose those things for whatever reasons. That's why I never saw the whole situation as the 99% vs the 1%.

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Response to Android3.14 (Reply #132)

Wed Jul 8, 2015, 07:04 PM

346. If you think noting THAT is racist, then you really do not understand how awful

 

Real racism is. There's no planet that POC could speak to their concerns without you seeming their words racist. RWs pull this shit trying to silence POC all the time.
It's nonsense. No one called Bernie a racist.

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Response to bettyellen (Reply #346)

Thu Jul 9, 2015, 05:28 AM

365. Who is calling who what?

 

1SBM implies Sanders is racist, as evidenced by the direct quote upthread. I have implied 1SBM intentionally made the false accusation, which is unfair and disruptive on 1SBM's part. Why he did this is probably related to the struggle between Clinton and Sander supporters.

Who accused 1SBM of being racist?

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Response to Android3.14 (Reply #365)

Thu Jul 9, 2015, 08:58 AM

368. You misunderstood SBM, as others using the words "race card" did.

 

He is not saying Sanders is a racist. He's saying he hasn't reached out (and discussed uniquely social issues thus far) he's not even arranged opportunities to have much of the black community get to know him. He's managed to avoid idivwrse crowds so far.
And while it maybe because of the demographics of the early primary cities it is stl the gods honest truth. It is what it is.
He doesn't deserve to be stalked like this because people are uncomfortable with the truth.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #106)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 11:14 AM

123. +1 ...

 

Keep speaking ... you hit the nail on the head. Hell ... It's pretty much what I've been saying.

And, I think that is a wise strategy! Staying in largely homogenous states (both, in terms of race AND liberalism) allows one to speak to big and friendly crowds (not saying that going to SC or CA or NY, his crowds would be any smaller or any less friendly) building buzz for the next event.

But the campaigns calculation is ... if going to SC or CA or NY doesn't (significantly) change his numbers among Black folks and Latino folks, they cannot rely on the "they just don't know him" narrative ... But more damaging, he will lose those in the Democratic Party that recognize the Black and Latino vote is essential to a General Election win.

But the campaign is running out of qualifying states, i.e., low minority population with high liberal population.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #123)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 11:52 AM

138. It seems significant to me that...

...he spoke to a large crowd in Madison, Wisconsin, but did not speak in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. Those are both very liberal cities, but with very different demographics.

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Response to Koinos (Reply #138)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 12:28 PM

147. You noticed that? So did I ...

 

Next stop ... Warick, Rhode Island:

Population: 81,000 (second most populace city in Rhode Island) ...

Democratically controlled

Close to Vermont

92.7% - White
1.7% - Black
3.4% Latino

90.7% - High School educated or higher (29.8% Bachelor's degree or higher)

Median Income: $62,295

7.2% - Living below the Poverty line

Ripe picking! I probably would have hit Warick BEFORE Madison.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #147)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 02:56 PM

196. There's definitely a pattern here. I may have to take back an earlier disclaimer.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #147)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 04:43 PM

224. I think there is definitely a pattern here.

Makes one think he will skip an appearance in Baltimore.

Another candidate calls Baltimore home, however they react to him.

Yep, pick the low lying fruit.

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Response to Koinos (Reply #138)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 05:11 PM

235. That is an interesting point, Koinos. A very interesting point

he spoke to a large crowd in Madison, Wisconsin, but did not speak in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. Those are both very liberal cities, but with very different demographics.

Others have noted that he was also in Wisconsin, home of the latest attack on abortion rights, and said next to nothing about that either.

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Response to Number23 (Reply #235)

Thu Jul 9, 2015, 10:51 PM

382. I am the loudest of those "others", thank you!

 

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Response to bettyellen (Reply #382)

Fri Jul 10, 2015, 03:42 AM

383. Actually seabeyond has got you beat. She actually PM'D ME how she couldn't believe that Sanders

was in Wisconsin and said nada about the attacks on abortion rights.

She may be on a time out but that gal is BUSY! I get at least a couple of PMs from seabeyond every week. She is totally on top of things.

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Response to Number23 (Reply #383)

Fri Jul 10, 2015, 11:01 AM

384. Ha yes- she PMd me too when I posted same, lol!

 

Miss her voice here!

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Response to Number23 (Reply #383)

Sun Jul 12, 2015, 09:55 AM

386. Yes she is ...

 

it is a real shame that her public posts get rained on about her writing style ... and with little to nothing mentioning her content.

Gotta love the liberals!

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Response to Koinos (Reply #138)

Wed Jul 8, 2015, 10:28 AM

327. Astute observation. My opinion is that BS' audiences mirror those of Ed Schultz & Thom Hartmann.

I'm willing to bet the demographics are almost identical. I said early on, that BS is going where he's in demand, and it's no accident. If you took BS off the stage, and replaced him with one of the Repuke candidates, the "crowd" would look exactly the same. I will be shocked if BS moves the needle very much outside the demo that already thinks he's groovy.

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Response to Android3.14 (Reply #37)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 08:00 AM

44. This is a group. A group, I might add, where 1SBM is a valued member. Perhaps you should see....

your way out?

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #44)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 08:08 AM

50. If I say I don't see many black folks at the Daytona 500...

If I say I don't see many black folks at the Daytona 500 does that mean I am accusing NASCAR of racism?


And NASCAR really does try to be inclusive...

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #50)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 08:14 AM

53. It's really strange that this question can't be asked of someone running as a "Democrat". You can..

certainly shut us up here at DU, but trust me, these conversations are taking place in black barber shops and beauty salons in my community. BS didn't even turn in an appearance in Charleston, and I can only assume that it's because he didn't want to turn off the demographic that he's trying to cultivate. Of course, that's his choice, but it has hurt him, and 6 months from now I still expect him to be hovering somewhere in the single digits in terms of AA support. And he never stood a chance with Latinos.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #50)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 11:34 AM

129. I have a good (Black/Female) friend that works for NASCAR ...

 

She does community engagement work.

At our 4th of July BBQ, She related a story that she says is the toughest part of her job ...

She spent months engaging a urban program that introduced Black youth to auto mechanics. She arranged for a group of the kids to travel outside of their home state to attend a NASCAR race. The kids weren't there 15 minutes before the beer and slurs came flying in their direction.

Yes, the offenders were ejected; but, the damage had been done.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #129)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 11:59 AM

141. That is informative yet depressing to hear. nt

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Response to SusanCalvin (Reply #141)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 12:40 PM

150. Perhaps, there was a larger message in there. n/t

 

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Response to SusanCalvin (Reply #141)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 12:56 PM

160. Super depressing because NASCAR really reaches out...

Their fans are primarily southern whites but they really try to reach out...

They also disassociated themselves from Trump's anti-Latino comments. I am sure they would like black and Latino fans but it does seem their outreach is as much corporate conscience as a marketing strategy...

I used to make classist criticisms of NASCAR fans...I hope I remember their good behavior the next time I am tempted to do so.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #160)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 01:23 PM

165. The movie producing phenom, Will Packer ...

 

I am sure they would like black and Latino fans but it does seem their outreach is as much corporate conscience as a marketing strategy...


recently stated in an interview ... "If your audience is largely monochromatic; you are losing."

So Yes ... I believe it's largely a marketing strategy; but, we see what smart marketing did for the Ford Mustang.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #129)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 01:04 PM

162. Sad

My friend who is black's daughter had a stock car and crew, on a small circuit, not NASCAR...She wasn't that rich...She and her mixed crew and white driver didn't experience overt racism but the enterprise didn't become successful. My friend said he told his daughter it was no business for a black person to get involved in...

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #44)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 08:40 AM

68. Why should someone leave this group?

 

Please explain.

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Response to Android3.14 (Reply #68)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 12:09 PM

143. You don't come into a private sandbox, and kick sand in the face of the host, or you'll be....

escorted out in pretty short order. But don't take it from me.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 07:56 AM

38. DU wouldn't be DU without 1SBM.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 08:00 AM

45. 1SBM is one of my favorite posters

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Response to Gothmog (Reply #45)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 08:07 AM

49. Ditto to this..... 1SBM is one of my favorite posters..... eom

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Response to Post removed (Reply #46)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 08:18 AM

55. This could be a teachable amount...

Putting aside the comments on the Sander supporters one of the failure of white progressivism or liberalism is the the paternalism and ethnocentrism they bought to their interaction with people of color, that they knew what was best for them.

The white folks who went down south during the civil rights struggles, some of whom literally became martyrs, deserve a special place in every person of good will's heart but many bought with them more than a small dose of paternalism and ethnocentrism.

That sentiment still lives on...Good intentions are good but they need to be married to understanding.

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Tue Jul 7, 2015, 11:45 AM

135. +1. n/t

 

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #135)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 01:13 PM

163. Again, the folks that went down south were heroes!!!

Again, the folks that went down south were heroes !!! And I am willing to cut a person a lot of slack if your heart is the right place.I'm sure I have been clumsy at times myself...

I remember reading accounts of white folks because they were more educated and experienced would try to teach African Americans to write letters to petition their leaders for redress of their grievances, get impatient at the lack of progress, and just write the letters themselves.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #55)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 05:01 PM

233. Best post of the day. I am watching what is happening here to 1stBman in total amazement

The very thing his detractors are guilty of, they keep committing while demanding they are not guilty of anything

kinda funny actually

But now I will be told I must explain what that means, but I wont. If they cant figure it out, well...cant say that either

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 08:06 AM

47. k&r in support of 1StrongBlackMan.

I read his posts. I learn from them. He's funny as heck and a great person. One doesn't have to agree with or like all his posts. But people should stop alerting on them.

It's sickening that people are alerting on and voting to hide his posts. Cowardly and pathetic that they can't just ignore a post they don't like. Or discuss a question or issue in a respectful manner.

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Response to lovemydog (Reply #47)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 08:17 AM

54. "It's sickening that people are alerting on and voting to hide his posts. Cowardly and pathetic

that they can't just ignore a post they don't like. Or discuss a question or issue in a respectful manner."

I know.. definitely. They're all about freedom of speech except when it comes to censoring 1StrongBlackMan's Voice on DU.



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Response to Cha (Reply #54)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 08:27 AM

60. Another thing that's funny is that

he isn't saying anything outrageous or controversial. He's stating truths or his own opinion, usually in a witty manner. It's met by some obvious troublemakers with weak-minded defensiveness, sarcasm or denial. And as you often say Cha, it says more about them than it does about our friend 1SBM.

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Response to lovemydog (Reply #60)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 08:29 AM

61. I know! You described it perfectly, lovemydog.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 08:10 AM

51. Why is this allowed to go on?

Really, in every forum I've posted this kind of garbage isn't tolerated. cliques who bully members out of the forum doe disagreeing are swiftly taken care of.

This "jury system" is absurd. It's nothing but a popularity contest where the bulling is running rampant.

I wholly support 1SBM and want him to stay strong. But how can he stay strong when the very rules of this forum work against fairness and justice?

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 08:13 AM

52. This is what DU has become. This is infuriating.

 

And i am getting sick of hearing there is no alert stalking. This is a clear case of it.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 08:18 AM

56. I got my posting privledges suspended................and nobody noticed.

 

I might have deserved a couple of hides, but a couple were not deserved.

Do you really think that the right-wing point of view can hold up to the scrutiny of pissed off liberals like many of us? No, it cannot. They have to demand complete courtesy from us when we destroy their goddamn lies. Soooo....I will try to comply.

Wingers are cry babies for a reason. They use it to silence dissent from their lunacy. I am sure you can remember when they were taught the meaning of "ad hominem". Talk about beating a dead latin horse.

Watch out for the ones that are pretending to be for a certain Democratic candidate, all the while trying to divide the Party and discourage voting.

Hey OneStrong, when was your first hide? Tread lightly until that one ages out. A word to the wise is sufficient thereof.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 08:30 AM

62. K&R

I support 1StrongBlackMan. I've always liked his posts and consider him a valuable member of DU.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 08:30 AM

63. K & R

Be strong 1SBM

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Response to Ed Suspicious (Reply #64)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 08:37 AM

66. What does this have to do with alert stalking on DU? nt

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 08:42 AM

69. they can't silence him

 

or any other that tells the truth of american political candidates or our so called democratic system. The hypocrisy on this site stinks to high heaven. To ask that a candidate address specific issues important to a specific group, you know like the gay issue, or women's issues or issues concerning POC is democracy, isn't it? But democracy is dying and cultocracy is rising. Their god is inviolate as all political god's have become. 1SBM is doing the right thing, be damned the squealers and whiners, they will be in the same boat as all of us, they are just are blinded by the thier obscene fawning devotion.

Hypocrisy is the american way, always has been.

1SBM relevant and truthful, that scares the hell out of the hypocrites. SCARES THE HELL OUT OF THEM!!!!!!! Their fear is noted and it's pitiful. I wouldn't want the alerter's against 1SBM in my bunker or on my back in a firefight. They are cowards.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 08:45 AM

70. I would love a thread where we all shared the BS hides we've gotten.

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Response to wyldwolf (Reply #70)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 09:38 AM

95. Here's his fourth...You and I have had a lot worse said to us.

1StrongBlackMan This message was hidden by Jury decision. Hide
78. LOL ...

everything sails completely over your head.

A Jury voted 4-3 to hide this post on Tue Jul 7, 2015, 08:43 AM. Reason: This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #95)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 12:42 PM

152. A LOT worse. Most of which easily survive juries.

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Response to wyldwolf (Reply #152)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 02:21 PM

180. You should see some of the things that survive

in the HRC group. Of course they get kicked out, but the insults stay.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #95)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 12:52 PM

158. That is assuredly the most asinine hide I have ever seen

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Response to wyldwolf (Reply #70)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 09:37 PM

284. I got a hide when the alerter--the OP, lied and said it was against the TOS for

 

me to blue link to her old threads....

I got another hide for "homophobia" when I called Glenn Greenwald a "ratfucker." That was a lie--"ratfucker" is not a homophobic slur---hell, even Skinner agreed with me on that one!

But the stupidest hide? I quoted Caddyshack to Manny.

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Response to msanthrope (Reply #284)

Wed Jul 8, 2015, 02:32 AM

298. Course the jury bought it.. not bothering to check for themselves.. they're so responsible.

And of course "ratfucker" is a well known political term going way back. But, how could we expect those jurors to know that on a political board?

"quoting Caddyshack" got you a hide? How dare you?!!

My last hide was quoting a BS supporter's name who went by "Bernie Blower".. down 5-2.. course the geniuses on the jury couldn't figure that out because I was only referring to him in quotes.

Alas, Mr Bernie Blower subsequently was PPRed for being a troll and was demoted to "name removed".

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Response to Cha (Reply #298)

Wed Jul 8, 2015, 05:11 AM

308. You know what's a neat trick with DU's Google? The phrase "personal attack"

 

when coupled with certain usernames, yields a pattern of crying wolf. It's very interesting, who uses that phrase, over and over.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 08:55 AM

74. Yesterday I was locked/blocked/hid for posting nothing but FACTS about HRC

 

It was a clip of her unfortunate lying about being under sniper fire in Bosnia, and her 57% "untrustworthy" rating in a recent CNN poll. No personal attacks, no opinion, just FACTS. And yet, it was alerted on and blocked. So I guess we no longer can even debate FACTS around here...

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Response to Indepatriot (Reply #74)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 09:31 PM

281. Where did you post it and what was the reason given for the hide?

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 08:56 AM

75. I was Rude, Bernie Sanders has spoken about Race relations. out side of socioeconomic parameters.

 

Last edited Tue Jul 7, 2015, 09:32 AM - Edit history (1)

However, Both King and at the Million Man March, they were touted as one subject, Why do you have a Higher expectation for Sanders than these instances?

Interview from The Nation: A criticism directed toward you early in the campaign was that you were very focused on economics, but not sufficiently focused on critical issues such as police brutality and mass incarceration. Isn’t this something you have to address?


Sanders: Clearly, police brutality and what goes on in African-American communities and other communities is a huge issue…. The question is: How do you have police departments in this country that are part of their communities, not oppressors in their communities? How do you have police officers who, when they commit acts of crime, are held accountable and are indicted? How do you have police officers receiving the proper training that they need? How do we demilitarize our police departments? All of these are important issues. The good news is that, as a country, we are paying far more attention to this issue than we previously did. If anyone thinks that the kind of police brutality that we’re seeing now is something new, they are sorely mistaken. The good news, in a sense, is that it’s now becoming public and we’re seeing it and talking about it.

There has to be, I think, a significant change in police culture in terms of . That is a major issue that has to be dealt with. And we will deal with it, period.

The other thing, to be frank, that does trouble me is that there is so little discussion about African-American youth unemployment. How do you discuss Ferguson and not know that, in that particular community, unemployment is off the charts? How do you discuss Baltimore and not know that, in that particular community, unemployment is off the charts? African-American youth unemployment in this country is 50 percent, and one out of three African-American males born today stands the possibility of ending up in jail if present trends continue. This is a disaster. So, of course, we’ve got to talk about police brutality; of course, we’ve got to talk about reforming our criminal-justice system; of course, we’ve got to make sure that we are educating our kids and giving them job training and not sending them to jail. But I get a little distressed that people are not talking about what I consider to be a huge problem: How do you not talk about African-American youth unemployment at 50 percent?

The Nation: That focus on employment goes back to the historic message of the civil-rights movement. Civil-rights organizing was one of the ways into political activism for you, wasn’t it?


Sanders: Civil rights was a very important part of it. I was very active in the Congress of Racial Equality at the University of Chicago. I got arrested in trying to desegregate Chicago’s school system. I was very active in demanding that the University of Chicago not run segregated housing, which it was doing at that time. We were active in working with our brothers and sisters in SNCC … at that point helping them with some very modest financial help. So, yes, I was active. And I do not separate the civil-rights issue from the fact that 50 percent of African-American young people are either unemployed or underemployed. Remember the March on Washington—what was it about? “Jobs and Freedom.” The issue that Dr. King raised all the time was: This is great if we want to desegregate restaurants or hotels, but what does it matter if people can’t afford to go to them? That’s still the issue today.

...SNIP...

Full interview here~
http://www.thenation.com/article/bernie-sanders-speaks/

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Response to imthevicar (Reply #75)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 09:04 AM

80. and when you

 

take your fingers out of your ears while screaming I can't hear you, understand this. The r-word...that racism, is a very important word to have in a speech about police brutality and the concurrent social racism that makes it possible. Not money, not jobs, both of which are denied because of racism. What can't the privileged of this forum understand about that??????? RACISM is one huge problem. This cherry picking bullshit means zilch, nada ZERO. I don't care if he marched 50 years ago, TODAY counts with me and many others. Try to understand that.....geez

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Response to heaven05 (Reply #80)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 09:34 AM

94. Do you Bother to read?

 

Or do you like most facebook commenting, shoot first and ask questions later?

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Response to imthevicar (Reply #94)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 10:01 AM

100. This is not the place for this.

 

This is a protected group and you will be blocked for disrupting if you continue.

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Response to imthevicar (Reply #75)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 09:57 AM

98. Respectfully, what does that have to do with trying to silence 1StrongBlackMan ?

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Response to imthevicar (Reply #75)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 11:58 AM

140. Huh ...

 

However, Both King and at the Million Man March, they were touted as one subject,


I'm going to leave the revisionist MLK out of this, he has been addressed numerous time; but, I was at the MMM, economic justice and social justice absolutely were NOT touted as one subject ... the message of every speaker I heard ... from the podium, and in the more important strategy sessions were talking of "economic SELF-empowerment BECAUSE they is no social justice."

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Response to imthevicar (Reply #75)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 07:24 PM

252. His answer is university

His answer to black youth unemployment is university.

So a guy born in say 1995 - received a sub par elementary education, middle and high school.

He wants to drop the guy off in SUNY Brockport or Buff State - when downt the road Elon Musk is building a Solar factory - he's going to need solderers. If climate change is a number one priority - its one that can create solid skilled laborer jobs. We can have people trained and making living wages in 6 months to a year.

That's a gettable get. And quickly.

I'm sharing with you O'Malley's vision. That's not an attack on Senator Sanders or his supporters - that's just showing there is a candidate out there that realizes - we failed as a country to give these young adults a fair shot when they were five - they matter just as much Suburban kid who was always college bound.

Many of the forgotten are in places like east Buffalo and Mississippi - not in Portland ME.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 09:02 AM

77. 1StrongBlackMan is one of my favorite posters on DU

We are in a world of hurt on DU if it has come to the point where 1StrongBlackMan can be pushed out of DU. He is insightful and thoughtful.

The jury system is no longer working. So much for a Democratic board.

What can we do?

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Response to Evergreen Emerald (Reply #77)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 12:53 PM

159. I keep telling Skinner there needs to be oversight of 4-3 & 3-4

 

Jury decisions during the primary season. Maybe he'll listen if others add their voices in ATA.

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Response to Flying Squirrel (Reply #159)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 04:30 PM

217. Or require 5-2 or 6-1 to hide.

Don't know if that would help - it's just a random thought.

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Response to Flying Squirrel (Reply #159)

Wed Jul 8, 2015, 12:40 AM

294. Why would the jury system need oversight if its random and anonymous??

A limit on alerts and automatic IP checking and tracking for abusive usage and or harassment to see who is alerting on posts I could understand because someone could be using a 2nd or more pc to try and cause problems.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 09:03 AM

78. As far as I can see,

from my somewhat limited reading, 1SBM posts his opinions and questions. Last I heard, that was the idea here.

Thank you for your posts, which cause me to think, and have never looked alert-worthy to me.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 09:06 AM

81. Serial baiters of minority posters are really showing their asses

Will their racism finally be the last straw? Using the term "race card" on DU against a Black poster is straight out of the Bill O'Reilly playbook and should have no place here.

I have trashed GDP, although I like Sanders, some of the posts by his supporters exhibit an unshakable cargo cult mentality that I find disturbing.

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Response to Starry Messenger (Reply #81)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 09:14 AM

87. Funny

 

Same with some Hillary supporters

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Response to Duckhunter935 (Reply #87)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 09:52 AM

96. This is not this place for this.

 

I do not like having to block people from posting here. Please do not be disruptive anymore.

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Response to bravenak (Reply #96)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 11:30 AM

126. But. You allow a poster

 

To call Sanders supporters a cult, ok. Did not realize the group so I will moderate myself and go away.

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Response to Duckhunter935 (Reply #126)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 06:56 PM

251. I didn't see the cult thing. I went to take a nap.

 

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Response to bravenak (Reply #251)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 07:29 PM

253. Maybe you should admonish

 

That poster. I see that I am not cared for in this group as you just warned me and not the one I responded to. Have a great day

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Response to Duckhunter935 (Reply #253)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 07:31 PM

254. I was just trying to help you out.

 

It's just not the place to complain about hillary or her supporters.

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Response to bravenak (Reply #254)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 07:33 PM

256. But it is ok to do the same to Bernie supporters

 

Interesting, I did not think by the name this was the Hillary group.

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Response to Duckhunter935 (Reply #256)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 07:42 PM

257. No. I still don't see that post.

 

The one you were talking about.,

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Response to bravenak (Reply #257)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 08:14 PM

264. Like I said, the one I responded to

 

Starry Messenger
81. Serial baiters of minority posters are really showing their asses


Will their racism finally be the last straw? Using the term "race card" on DU against a Black poster is straight out of the Bill O'Reilly playbook and should have no place here.

I have trashed GDP, although I like Sanders, some of the posts by his supporters exhibit an unshakable cargo cult mentality that I find disturbing.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1187&pid=17589


I hope that helped you find it. I thought it might have been easy for you as I stated it was the post I responded to.

I also looked at the SOP and it says nothing about not being able to mention or criticize Hillary in this group. Am I wrong?
Discuss topics and issues which affect the African-American community. DUers from all races are welcome to participate.


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Response to Duckhunter935 (Reply #264)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 08:26 PM

266. She was only talking about some post by some supporters.

 

Those particular posts exhibit a cultlike mentality. She was not speaking of all of us when she said that. I try to let people that post here often have a bit of leeway. Once you've posted here a bit and I can gauge your intentions, I'll treat you like I treat her and assume the best. Try not to take it personally.

My problem was not with critisizing hillary, just with critisizing her supporters. There are alot of them here and they are active members and it can become disruptive.

This is a support thread for one of our only remaining black posters. I'd like to see people come here to support him not to be a snarkbucket. I love snark too, but just not right mow. I'd like him to stay here and continue posting.

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Response to bravenak (Reply #266)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 08:32 PM

269. Thank you

 

I have had an alert stalker and know how it feels. I was on a vacation for an apology that was hidden. I hope he stays also as we need all of the diversity we can get.

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Response to Starry Messenger (Reply #81)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 09:21 AM

92. Too much rah-rah and/or defensiveness

Worries me no matter which candidate.

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Response to SusanCalvin (Reply #92)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 10:01 AM

101. I start from the premise they are all pols or politicians, albeit with their hearts in the...

I start from the premise they are all pols or politicians, albeit with their hearts in the right place...

Even RFK who I hold in the reverence that I hold a saint wasn't a cardboard one...

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Response to Starry Messenger (Reply #81)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 03:27 PM

204. Doesn't this have a familiar stench in your opinion?

You remember the Gay purge, right? Personally, I am seeing some of the same tactics used, as were used against us, the only difference is it isn't a matter of "rogue" moderators, but the overall population, and that is very, very disheartening! It is, IMO, saying and showing something very ugly.

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Response to Behind the Aegis (Reply #204)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 03:53 PM

211. It really does--the same gaslighting and fostering of straw-men and half-truths

about what people thought and said in posts. This happens to many of the Feminist posters too. A zero tolerance policy against insensitivity and minimizing in the main forums might be tricky to craft, but I'll bet that several of us who are hosts of the forums devoted to oppressed groups could probably come up with some language and guidelines.

Unfortunately, I feel this would never happen at this website, since the concept that everyone is equal is the dominant philosophy. That some people are more equal than others in the structural function, whether in the mod system, or the jury system, has been a tricky case to make to the website's owners, for various reasons.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 09:08 AM

82. K & R

This is the Democratic Underground where supporters should have the opportunity to post factual information in a civil manner. 1SBM from previous post has done so. Apparently any other opinions and voices are not tolerated here per certain people but they do not represent us in general at the DU.

I refuse to be like RWers.

I stand with the AA group.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 09:09 AM

84. I think 1SBM's point has been lost in the melee.

I've never had a problem with him and he certainly has a right to voice an opinion on a subject important to him. Is there anyway DU can re-post his arguments while he waits for re-instatement? If need be, leave out some of the text so we can get back to being a place where we can argue and debate ideas.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 09:11 AM

85. I rarely agree with 1StrongBlackMan

but I have never read anything in one of his posts that even remotely warranted an alert.

I'm sorry this has happened.

Here's my K&R.

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Response to tularetom (Reply #85)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 09:33 AM

93. We rarely agree on anything but I respect your passion...

This was his fourth hide:

1StrongBlackMan This message was hidden by Jury decision. Hide
78. LOL ...

everything sails completely over your head.

A Jury voted 4-3 to hide this post on Tue Jul 7, 2015, 08:43 AM. Reason: This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.







I have been called a Freeper and a troll, the former hurt a lot more, and those posts weren't hidden.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #93)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 11:44 AM

134. That one was just nuts,

Especially since what was stated is exactly what happened.

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Response to tularetom (Reply #85)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 09:46 PM

285. Gotta agree I havent seen any that would appear hide worthy but then again I dont follow his posts.

Heck I dont even its possible to follow a specific persons posts on the DU unless there is a feature I missed that lets you do in the options or is that an option that comes with a paid membership to the DU?

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 09:19 AM

91. 1StrongBlackMan should not be silenced. This is getting ridiculous.

DU's version of political correctness and the aggressive vigilantes who enforce it are making this forum less and less attractive.

1SBM is a thoughtful and insightful contributor. Disagreeing with his statement is not grounds for complaint.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 09:54 AM

97. Sick.

This is pathetic and sick behavior. Thing is I'm not surprised. How many threads do we have on the horrible injustice when a Black child is murdered by police?

Yet when a Black man speaks his truth, there are attempts to belittle, to insult, to silence.

Racism is like that old song about evil--it grows in crack and holes and lives in people's minds.


When it's not unapologetically in ones face that is.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 09:58 AM

99. Just finished reading that thread, I've noticed quite a bit of intense bullying from a certain

Group for some time now, passion is needed to change the status quo but if this passion turns into intimidation tactics it then loses its original desire to obviously unite....

And to really be able to change things Unity will be the deciding factor....

It's not helpful to attempt to silence others viewpoints when it's obvious those concerns have merit...it's defeatist in the end.

I hope he does not become another statistic in wrongly being forced into silence...

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 10:34 AM

114. For what it's worth

I've been following his threads this morning and I see nothing to get one's panties in a wad. He has some strong opinions that should be considered.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 10:57 AM

120. It seems like DU has really started going downhill

and becoming what you would expect of a RW website.

When people start targeting members like 1StrongBlackMan you have to start wondering about the viability of DU. Living in an uber red state, the idea of an intolerant "liberal/progressive" web site it not very palatable.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 11:34 AM

130. Yikes! I clicked on your OP just because it was from you

What's the matter with some people on DU!? The respect they demand evidently isn't necessary to reciprocate is it?

I totally support you!

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 11:52 AM

137. Over the flame bait threads? nt

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Response to Gore1FL (Reply #137)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 01:26 PM

167. How was it flame bait?

I haven't been to concerts in a long time...The last concert I attended was a Paul McCartney concert in 1993 at the BlocBuster Bowl in Charlotte...It was a homogeneous crowd...Ironically I rode the shuttle bus to my hotel with this black guy who was a huge Sir Paul fan.


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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #167)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 04:33 PM

220. I saw a flamebait thread yesterday attacking sanders.

I assume that was one of the hides.

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Response to Gore1FL (Reply #220)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 04:36 PM

221. He was referring to the homogeneity of a candidate's audiences.

That's strikes this observer as neither flame bait or hideable.


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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #221)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 04:42 PM

223. The manner in which it was presented was flame bait.

It provided a link to the demographics of Portland ME, and bemoaned the race of those in attendance based on pictures. If it was meant for anything other than flame bait it missed.

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Response to Gore1FL (Reply #223)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 04:44 PM

225. Precisely, the homogeneity of the audience reflected the homogeneity of the city where it was held.

Precisely, the homogeneity of the audience reflected the homogeneity of the city where it was held and that was what the gentleman pointed out.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #225)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 04:47 PM

226. So it is Sander's fault that Portland ME has a lot of white people

If Clinton spoke there would the city be suddenly filled with minority voters?

The thread was flame bait and nothing more.

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Response to Gore1FL (Reply #226)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 04:54 PM

230. The poster was speaking to his choice of venues

The poster was speaking to the senator's choice of venues and how he seems to choose venues he believes are most recptive to his message.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #230)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 09:18 PM

277. Large venues, to be sure.... Perhaps I missed something in the text; let's look!

The actual words (beyond the link to the census for Portland, ME) were:

Whoa hooo! Wake me when "minorities" get to play.

(Just noting the pattern continues.)


http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=428686

That looks like flamebait to me. If it was supposed to be more, it lacked a thesis, much less useful commentary.

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Response to Gore1FL (Reply #277)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 09:23 PM

278. He's a voter and he wants the senator to address the issues of his community on his terms.

Now, Senator Sanders can speak to those concerns or a debate should have ensued in that thread about the legitimacy of those concerns and/or whether he has the right to raise them.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #278)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 10:03 PM

286. A debate might have occurred if it was set up as a discussion.

Instead, it was set up as flame-bait.

I prefer it when thoughts are provoked instead of emotions.

In any event, it's moot. The thread wasn't hidden. I went there to get the quote. This entire sub-thread is devoted to discussing something that isn't about the parent thread, after all.

I'm done. Have a good night.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 12:03 PM

142. Jury results:

On Tue Jul 7, 2015, 12:52 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

They are getting close to silencing 1StrongBlackMan
http://www.democraticunderground.com/118717508

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Meta.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Tue Jul 7, 2015, 12:58 PM, and the Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I'll let it slide this time. This is important.
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Meta. Hide. And no one is trying to silence 1sbm. His posts are hidden because he's walking a knifes edge. Once there's one or two hides, he should back off for a spell, just to avoid putting his fate before an uncertain jury. It's his own fault he has 4 hides, instead of only one or two.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: People need to stop alert-stalking 1StrongBlackMan, instead of making bullshit alerts like this.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.


I'm so sick of the bullshit being done to Strong Black Man. I got your back, my friend, and I have yours too, Democrat Since Birth.

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Response to Sheldon Cooper (Reply #142)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 01:47 PM

173. Thank you...

I hate to be vainglorious but to close a thread that has garnered over one hundred and forty recommends is wrong on so many levels.

Oh, I know I am being targeted.

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Response to Sheldon Cooper (Reply #142)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 02:44 PM

187. Juror #4 (voted to HIDE IT): "...he should back off for a spell.."

And Juror #4 says that right after saying "... no one is trying to silence 1sbm." Oh the irony.


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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #187)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 02:46 PM

188. Yep.

It would be funny, if it wasn't so goddamn stupid.

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #187)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 02:51 PM

194. Also, this a protected forum so it's up to the host if META posts are allowed.

eom

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #187)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 03:55 PM

212. Really.

"Back off for a spell"! I have seen nothing to back off from. And that is also known as self-censorship.

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #187)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 08:29 PM

268. Juror#4 says "no one is trying to silence 1sbm" but then goes on to tell him how to act and "he

back off for a spell.."

The f****** unmitigated gall.

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Response to Sheldon Cooper (Reply #142)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 06:31 PM

248. I can't believe somebody had the nerve to come in here and alert on this OP in the fucking AFRICAN

AMERICAN forum. I just can't fucking believe this place.

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Response to Number23 (Reply #248)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 07:51 PM

260. I'm with you

I wonder if it's a newbie to the group today? Never seen some of these screen names before this thread.

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Response to Number23 (Reply #248)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 08:32 PM

270. The Alert Police will go anywhere on this board to try to silence 1StrongBlackMan.

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Response to Number23 (Reply #248)

Wed Jul 8, 2015, 08:47 AM

321. The 218 recs has to really sting for that person./nt

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #321)

Wed Jul 8, 2015, 04:15 PM

332. I hope it did big time.

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Response to Number23 (Reply #332)

Wed Jul 8, 2015, 04:17 PM

333. I hope you aren't upset that I posted it here...

There was a chance if I posted it in GD it would have been closed for being too META.


I still can not believe the BS hides.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #333)

Wed Jul 8, 2015, 04:25 PM

334. To paraphrase Willy Wonka...

"A little Meta now and then, is relished by the wisest men..."

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Response to Number23 (Reply #334)

Wed Jul 8, 2015, 04:29 PM

335. 1SBM has become a megastar!/NT



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Response to Sheldon Cooper (Reply #142)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 08:23 PM

265. Thank you, Sheldon! i knew there'd be somebody who couldn't take DSB's OP about Silencing

1StrongBlackMan. That's their MO.

Too bad for them it didn't work this time.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 12:35 PM

149. DU is mutilating itself KnR

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 01:17 PM