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Thu Jul 9, 2015, 02:36 AM

"Rick Perry, Republicans, and the African-American Vote"

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If you ask most conservatives why African-Americans vote overwhelmingly for the Democratic Party, they will typically reply that black people are either lazy moochers who want “free stuff,” or else they’ve been duped by a massive lie that the Democrats have become the party of civil rights. Rick Perry delivered an interesting speech last week, which continues to reverberate among conservative thought leaders, in which he made an important, if not unprecedented, concession. The historic defection of the black vote, Perry admitted, reflects the failings not of African-Americans but the Republican Party itself. Perry conceded that his party’s obsession with states’ rights, including his own, alienated a constituency that has depended on the federal government to protect its rights. This is an important admission about the Republican Party’s history. What Perry has failed to display is any grasp of how African-Americans have been turned away by the Republican Party’s present incarnation.

Perry makes two important, persuasive points in his speech but fails to see how they collide with each other. The first point is that states' rights is a dangerous doctrine for African-Americans, who rely on the power of the federal government to protect them from abuses by states. Perry frames this as a confession that he has overemphasized the 10th Amendment to the Constitution, which reserves for the states or the people powers not delegated to the federal government, rather than the 14th amendment, which prevents states from denying any citizen equal protection of the laws. “There has been, and there will continue to be, an important and a legitimate role for the federal government in enforcing Civil Rights,” Perry said, “Too often, we Republicans, me included, have emphasized our message on the 10th Amendment but not our message on the 14th.”

Perry’s second point is that urban policy often works to the detriment of the disadvantaged. “In blue state coastal cities, you have these strict zoning laws, environmental regulations that have prevented buildings from expanding the housing supply. And that may be great for the venture capitalist who wants to keep a nice view of San Francisco Bay. But it’s not so great for the single mother working two jobs in order to pay rent and still put food on the table for her kids.”

Perry frames the latter as an indictment of government in general. But it is actually an indictment of localized government regulation. This is an aspect of government policy where Perry can legitimately boast that his state has outperformed the blue-state model. Deregulated zoning has allowed Texas to create affordable housing that is denied residents of big coastal cities.

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Jamaal510 Jul 2015 OP
JustAnotherGen Jul 2015 #1
Number23 Jul 2015 #6
JustAnotherGen Jul 2015 #8
Number23 Jul 2015 #2
JustAnotherGen Jul 2015 #3
1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #4
Number23 Jul 2015 #7
randys1 Jul 2015 #5
JustAnotherGen Jul 2015 #9

Response to Jamaal510 (Original post)

Thu Jul 9, 2015, 04:04 AM

1. I don't trust him but . . .


This is a HUGE admission of guilt.

The historic defection of the black vote, Perry admitted, reflects the failings not of African-Americans but the Republican Party itself. Perry conceded that his party’s obsession with states’ rights, including his own, alienated a constituency that has depended on the federal government to protect its rights. This is an important admission about the Republican Party’s history. What Perry has failed to display is any grasp of how African-Americans have been turned away by the Republican Party’s present incarnation.


There's a thread in the group that speaks to Bernie Sanders words on race - in context or out of context - the words remain.

If I listen to Sanders - AND listen to Perry - I should be voting Republican.

ETA - http://www.democraticunderground.com/118717895
Sanders - along these lines - you should not be basing your politics on skin color - it should be based on "how is your family doing". If I take his advice - I should be a Republican.

But - if I believe climate change is humanity's greatest threat, and taking action to slow/stop/reverse it with an eye on America's infrastructure - I can create highly skilled jobs with an economic protectionist approach (makes no sense to import people from abroad to solder solar shingles). That puts me back with my beautiful Democratic Party voting and volunteering to get O'Malley elected.

That doesn't mean Rick Perry didn't tell the absolute truth - because he did. A politician told the truth! Who'da thunk it!

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #1)

Fri Jul 10, 2015, 08:07 PM

6. "you should not be basing your politics on skin color - it should be based on

"how is your family doing". If I take his advice - I should be a Republican."

I agree 100%. If we just focused on ourselves, I think there would be a hell of alot more black Republicans than there are now. And the fact that there aren't just proves that we are not all about ourselves and that we realize that the best way to help our brothers and sisters is by supporting the Dems. Like I've said 100 times, the Dems may be milquetoast as hell on some issues, but I'd rather go with a group that will get me 60% of what I want than with another that will take me 80% in the wrong direction and is working hard as hell to take away the few things that I do have.

That Sanders quote is just idiotic. I don't get these white people who act like black folks only voted for Obama because he was black. I guess they've conveniently forgotten the countless white folks - some of whom were mediocre as hell - that we supported for president that were also Democrats. Suddenly, we need to be chastised about "not voting our skin color" the ONE FUCKING TIME some of us got the opportunity to do that. And the fact that Obama was black didn't mean nearly as much as the fact that Obama was a black Democrat.

There was another thread in GDrimaries about Sanders saying we need to apologize for slavery. When I first read it, I thought it was a good idea. But the more I think about it, the more it comes across as pandering. Bill Clinton expressed "deep regret" for slavery damn near 20 years ago and the House and Senate have both passed resolutions apologizing for slavery. Bernie's devout "supporters" here on DU keep screaming there is no race issue, but it's obvious to me that the Bernie camp realizes there is one and are trying to do something about it. I hope that this is not the route they've chosen to go because it feels more than a bit disingenuous.

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Response to Number23 (Reply #6)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 07:29 AM

8. Exactly - I'm not selfish and I care about others

If I can buy shower cream at L'Occitane - I can help other Americans.

What I'm trying to figure out with the Sanders quote - I think he took a wrong turn with that statement. Had he not said it in the sme interview immediately after the comments about how we are happy racism is over -

The Republicans would be dragging him for picking on poor white people who keep voting Republican. IE He kind of called them stupid in a very sly way.

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Response to Jamaal510 (Original post)

Fri Jul 10, 2015, 04:57 AM

2. What the... is that INSIGHT I see dripping from the mouth of Rick Perry????!

Perry conceded that his party’s obsession with states’ rights, including his own, alienated a constituency that has depended on the federal government to protect its rights.



He's still dumber than a box of Twinkies but that's astonishing. So if even Rick Perry can recognize some of the root causes for the strong Dem support from black people, what's everybody else's excuse???

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Response to Number23 (Reply #2)

Fri Jul 10, 2015, 07:10 AM

3. I'd be interested in hearing/reading their excuses

It comes down to - Protecting our rights.

Not hand outs.

He just lodge a bullet in the 'Welfare Queen' meme those damn fools have been pushing since Reagan's speech in Philadelphia Mississippi.

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Response to Number23 (Reply #2)

Fri Jul 10, 2015, 04:17 PM

4. And, think about the current DU folks ...

 

with their distrust of the Federal Government. And they don't seem to understand why Black folks aren't in full anti-federal government mode.

Well my short answer would be, "the Federal government protected my from you(r benign neglect)!

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #4)

Fri Jul 10, 2015, 08:09 PM

7. "the Federal government protected my from you(r benign neglect)!"

Ain't that the damn truth!

I honestly believe that if slavery had ever been put to a vote instead of eradicated by the gub'ment these folks hate so much, we'd all still be on plantations. The U.S. government has been both a bane and a blessing to black folks.

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Response to Jamaal510 (Original post)

Fri Jul 10, 2015, 05:18 PM

5. Perry and you guys are opening up a whole new thing for me here.

How in the HELL did Perry have this insight?

Dear lord.

Anyway, your response to it is what informs me.

It sort of goes with my deal on guns, how I am always saying the 2nd amendment absolutely requires they all be relegated to well regulated militias, but then I realize that if there is one group that absolutely needs the NRA definition of the 2nd, it is African Americans.

But anyway, I am going to go and bang my head against the softest wall I can find (I am a baby) for an hour or so because I simply cant believe Rick Perry has this much intelligence, or any.

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Response to randys1 (Reply #5)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 07:31 AM

9. This is what I'm saying randy!

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