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steve2470

(37,434 posts)
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 01:12 PM Jul 2015

**********AFRICAN-AMERICAN GROUP: Please read the SOP before posting******* feedback about Netroots

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=456257

The above thread sparked this. I admit, I have not watched any video from the event.

I'd appreciate it if non-regular members of this group do NOT post in this thread. One can hope. At least I asked politely.


Steve
**********AFRICAN-AMERICAN GROUP: Please read the SOP before posting******* feedback about Netroots (Original Post) steve2470 Jul 2015 OP
Disillusioned white folks got their panties in a bunch bc giftedgirl77 Jul 2015 #1
I am DYING laughing at the Clean up on Aisle 2!! Clean up on Aisle 2!!! level of desperation Number23 Jul 2015 #5
They are all convinced it's all a bunch of HRC supporters giftedgirl77 Jul 2015 #6
the wedge issue thing has been going on for some years now JI7 Jul 2015 #8
Yeah. I saw that Soros stuff and thought I was reading a transcript of glen beck. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #16
And let me guess ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #15
This message was self-deleted by its author chervilant Jul 2015 #31
And, they score another insult to #BlackLivesMatter.. Cha Jul 2015 #27
I'm waiting for someone to post footage of Steve Urkel lovemydog Jul 2015 #12
Get out your wading boots! You are about to be bombarded with black and brown faces all touting Number23 Jul 2015 #13
Are you including in that Black and Brown bombardment ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #19
Oh yeah! Those would be the ones that getwrapped up in loving arms and rec'd like crazy on the front Number23 Jul 2015 #21
Extra-special in a Clarence Thomas/herman Cain kind of way ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #22
I wonder how many of those 180 twitterers are new to twitter and arrived in a group? MADem Jul 2015 #34
Did you call it, or what... Bobbie Jo Jul 2015 #32
BJ, you don't even have to be all that to see right through these people Number23 Jul 2015 #33
They seem shocked! JustAnotherGen Jul 2015 #2
you mean lack of minority support for certain people JI7 Jul 2015 #3
Yeah . . . JustAnotherGen Jul 2015 #4
I was just informed that it's a wedge issue & we should leave it alone. giftedgirl77 Jul 2015 #7
Lord have mercy. lovemydog Jul 2015 #9
Ironically ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #17
I know right? lovemydog Jul 2015 #10
But what do I know ... I'm just a Black man. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #18
In case anyone hasn't yet seen the videos: lovemydog Jul 2015 #11
Oh man, that dude was terrible! Lilith Rising Jul 2015 #29
some are saying they should protest obama JI7 Jul 2015 #14
Shameless!!!! They are shameless!!! I wanted to support Bernie. Our names start with B's. bravenak Jul 2015 #20
Well ... There's always O'Malley ... His name starts with ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #23
True. bravenak Jul 2015 #24
slowly I turn heaven05 Jul 2015 #30
Sorry, but the Jury I was on tonight didn't hide an ugly post to you. n/t freshwest Jul 2015 #36
It's fine. Just shows how they are. It's just sad how people are acting.nt bravenak Jul 2015 #37
What I don't get gollygee Jul 2015 #25
LOL ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #26
Wow, good point, gollygee.. so much hyporcrisy I can't keep up! Cha Jul 2015 #28
I was for Sanders last year. I was giddy when he entered the race. I wanted to support him. freshwest Jul 2015 #35
 

giftedgirl77

(4,713 posts)
1. Disillusioned white folks got their panties in a bunch bc
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 01:27 PM
Jul 2015

their special leader got put in on the spot. As a minority I have been saying from the jump that the issue of race & social injustices are not being addressed appropriately. I don't care what marches they participated in 40+ yrs ago all they are doing now is giving lip service. Not actively participating in any of the marches or protests that are going on. It's my son's, cousin's & future generations that I have to worry about.

I don't give a damn if someone's feelings feel hurt, they have been blatantly ignoring our major issues.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
5. I am DYING laughing at the Clean up on Aisle 2!! Clean up on Aisle 2!!! level of desperation
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 04:39 PM
Jul 2015


"No, it just LOOKED like he fucked up. He really didn't!!1 Don't trust your lying eyes!!one"

I just came out of Gd-P and it is THICK up in there. You guys better be prepared. We will soon be bombarded with a TSUNAMI of brown faces suddenly touting Bernie's creds! Ray Ray the dry cleaner, Killer Mike, Wally the taxi driver, Rashonda the school teacher -- they will FIND them some Negroes to put up in order to try to pretend that yes this man has TRULY and DEEPLY connected with the black and Hispanic communities, just forget what those polls tell you! Just forget what black media is telling you! Jason, the 14-year old black kid on social media who's not even old enough to vote really loves him!!!

Yesterday, folks were talking about the polls that showed Hillary wiping the floor with Sanders were bought and paid for by her campaign. Today, these same folks are pretending that what appears to be a fairly disastrous appearance before BLM is either the work of ungrateful Negroes or is actually a shining example of how perfect and glorious their candidate is.

These really embarrassingly stupid "defenses" of their candidate will get plenty of recs here, but if nothing else, all it's really doing is showing how desperate, uninformed and sad these folks are. They really are to be pitied.
 

giftedgirl77

(4,713 posts)
6. They are all convinced it's all a bunch of HRC supporters
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 05:06 PM
Jul 2015

out to get their super candidate. I just got swarmed with my BLM post in another thread & immediately got called an HRC supporter repeatedly it was nuts. Then was told my opinion was a minority here. I pointed out that of course it was because it's mainly old white people that post here (we'll see if that gets a hide). I also pointed out that it didn't make my point any less wrong considering the voting demographics in this country & they may want to take note.

BTW, since when did civil rights issues become a wedge issue because I was also told that?

JI7

(88,738 posts)
8. the wedge issue thing has been going on for some years now
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 06:34 PM
Jul 2015

with the whole "class not race" thing . and many of these are the worst of those in the primary debates .

and we are also seeing the george soros crap which is usually pushed by the right wing. soros has always contributed to liberal causes . him contributing to blm is not some huge conspiracy.



 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
15. And let me guess ...
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 10:20 PM
Jul 2015

someone responded to this:

Then was told my opinion was a minority here. I pointed out that of course it was because it's mainly old white people that post here


with: "OMG!!!! This ageism and race-baiting must stop!!!!!"

Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #15)

Cha

(291,677 posts)
27. And, they score another insult to #BlackLivesMatter..
Mon Jul 20, 2015, 10:06 AM
Jul 2015

What a beautiful "minority" it is.

I would hate to be the kind of person who is in the "majority" around here.

lovemydog

(11,833 posts)
12. I'm waiting for someone to post footage of Steve Urkel
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 07:57 PM
Jul 2015

on Family Matters saying in a dubbed voice 'Mr. Sanders and I are going to the Million Man March today!'

Number23

(24,544 posts)
13. Get out your wading boots! You are about to be bombarded with black and brown faces all touting
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 08:36 PM
Jul 2015

Sanders' virtues. No endorsement will be too small!

These people will SCOUR the web to find brown folks touting Sanders. We saw this the milisecond black people started saying "why doesn't he discuss issues that directly affect minorities?" or "why are there so few brown people supporting him?" All of a sudden, this board was screaming about the delightfully named BlacksForBernie Twitter feed and its whopping 180 members!!!1

You can see it on DU too. The 2-5 brown people that will disavow the rest of us not to mention the THOUSANDS of brown people on social media that are questioning Sanders' automatic pivot to economic issues over race will be given all the +1s and the recs. You just watch. It's happening already.

These folks denied or flat out lied about the polls after polls after polls that said that Bernie has made no impression in minority communities despite 25 years in Congress. They have tried to run off and minimize every brown person here that's said that his discussion of only economic issues will not garner him support in the AA community. Now, BLM and Black Twitter have flat out EXPLODED with black people very clearly, very loudly saying the same thing we've been saying for months and these people are still saying it's a Hillary conspiracy, Rove tactics or whatever. They are beyond all hope and really have no business on a Democratic web site.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
19. Are you including in that Black and Brown bombardment ...
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 10:52 PM
Jul 2015

long time DUers, that never participated in the AA Group, or any of the race threads, or any of the topics that were of general interest to Black and Brown Duers ... But suddenly feel the need to self-identify as "People of Color", now, and only post in opposition to what long time self-identifying PoC are saying?

... And that opposition includes questioning whether I am actually a Black man?

Number23

(24,544 posts)
21. Oh yeah! Those would be the ones that getwrapped up in loving arms and rec'd like crazy on the front
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 11:55 PM
Jul 2015

page!! They're like the ones who never have posted in this forum, never identified as poc, but still felt the need to pipe up in the poll we put up about who the minority posters are supporting.

These folks understand and respect the black community as well as their pals do. So of course that makes them EXTRA special to our "allies" in the big forums.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
22. Extra-special in a Clarence Thomas/herman Cain kind of way ...
Mon Jul 20, 2015, 07:17 AM
Jul 2015

and before the sirens sound and outrage meters peg, let me explain and provide a check ...

It is clear that that Thomas/Cain's value to the conservative movement is their race, then, their ideology ... so with our extra special friends, they are welcomed because of their race, then their ideology.

How could I say such a horrible thing? Simple ... But for their racial status all of them would be unimportant in their support. Cain and Thomas would be just two more conservatives, completely lost, and utterly un-noteworthy, in the conservative noise ... so, too, with a friends here

And before the protestation get louder, our friends recognize it ... that's why there are all the "I am a PoC and I approve that message" posts.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
34. I wonder how many of those 180 twitterers are new to twitter and arrived in a group?
Sun Jul 26, 2015, 08:44 PM
Jul 2015

A group 'of color,' of course!




And those user names and avatars aren't too soulful, if you ask me...! https://twitter.com/BlacksForBernie

https://twitter.com/BlacksForBernie/followers

Bobbie Jo

(14,341 posts)
32. Did you call it, or what...
Mon Jul 20, 2015, 08:47 PM
Jul 2015
You guys better be prepared. We will soon be bombarded with a TSUNAMI of brown faces suddenly touting Bernie's creds! Ray Ray the dry cleaner, Killer Mike, Wally the taxi driver, Rashonda the school teacher -- they will FIND them some Negroes to put up in order to try to pretend that yes this man has TRULY and DEEPLY connected with the black and Hispanic communities, just forget what those polls tell you! Just forget what black media is telling you! Jason, the 14-year old black kid on social media who's not even old enough to vote really loves him!!!


http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=463599

Damn you're good.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
33. BJ, you don't even have to be all that to see right through these people
Mon Jul 20, 2015, 09:09 PM
Jul 2015

Once you accept that alot of these people telling black folks what is or should be important to us and screaming because BLM dared to demand answers from Sanders live lives every bit as insular, narrow and devoid of minority presences as anybody on the right, everything else just falls into place.

I'm from Georgia. I have seen people like this every day of my life. Including the latching on to the black folks that will happily confirm their already held biases. There ain't nothing new about any of them, though they love to pretend otherwise.

The thing is, it THRILLS me to see a diversity of black thought and opinion. I am THRILLED that Sanders has black supporters although looking at many of his white supporters, I completely understand why so many have kept that so quiet. But the thing that pisses me off to no end is that if a black person here or "out there" says something that's in line with the DU Glitterati here, they can't run to rec that shit fast enough. Even if it's not born out in polls. Even if it's the complete antithesis of everything we see in black media. They will accept THAT as the truth, but not the 6,924 other articles and perspectives from other black people that say the complete opposite.

This is why I have no interest in white person after white person after white person in GD posting some article from some black Kos diarist, some brown kid on Youtube or some black "thinker." Because this same crowd would scream to the hills or ignore it completely if someone posted something from OTHER black people that said the opposite. There is no interest in what we think. The interest only lies in how happy we are to be USED by people that couldn't give the first shit about us and make that clear every minute of every day.

JustAnotherGen

(31,102 posts)
2. They seem shocked!
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 03:01 PM
Jul 2015

Now they know - the TOS at DU only applies at DU.


Outside of the DU navel gazing bubble - the real world just smacked them in the face.

JI7

(88,738 posts)
3. you mean lack of minority support for certain people
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 04:17 PM
Jul 2015

Wasn't because of a questioning by 1sbm ?

And just shutting him up would "fix" the problem ?

lovemydog

(11,833 posts)
9. Lord have mercy.
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 07:22 PM
Jul 2015

Unreal. I've also seen posts like if everyone will just shut up then the problem will go away. I even read one that said something about the AA group being a club, as though no one has any different opinions, or that everyone in here is just making stuff up, stuff that no one else ever thinks about or discusses. Holy crap I can't believe how unbelievably out of touch some people are.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
17. Ironically ...
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 10:43 PM
Jul 2015
I've also seen posts like if everyone will just shut up then the problem will go away.


This narrative sounds EXACTLY like the narrative they would have heard if they had marched with Martin ... "There was no race problem until those damn 'agitators' made it an issue."

lovemydog

(11,833 posts)
10. I know right?
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 07:25 PM
Jul 2015

1sbm has been talking about things a lot of people are talking about. Maybe some people in a bubble here thought silencing his intelligent and rational views would make the problems go away.

lovemydog

(11,833 posts)
11. In case anyone hasn't yet seen the videos:
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 07:42 PM
Jul 2015
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=456604

That 'moderator' made me laugh. Whoa! It was like a clinic in how NOT to moderate a discussion. He kept checking his cell phone & going 'What?' 'What?' to the protesters. Martin and Bernie are sitting there going wtf, are you going to ask me anything? And then the moderator is like 'Hold on! Hold on! I'm going to ask you something! Oh wait! Your time is up!'

Lilith Rising

(184 posts)
29. Oh man, that dude was terrible!
Mon Jul 20, 2015, 11:47 AM
Jul 2015

The whole thing (possibly) could have turned out better all the way around if he had done his job.

JI7

(88,738 posts)
14. some are saying they should protest obama
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 09:28 PM
Jul 2015

more cluelessness. obama as a black man deals with shit everyday . look at the attacks he got including on here when he brought up how blacks and hispanics are unfairly targeted by cops during the professor gates incident.

and all the attacks over saying if he had a son he would look like Trayvon .

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
20. Shameless!!!! They are shameless!!! I wanted to support Bernie. Our names start with B's.
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 11:29 PM
Jul 2015

They ruined it for me.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
23. Well ... There's always O'Malley ... His name starts with ...
Mon Jul 20, 2015, 07:20 AM
Jul 2015

the same letter as someone else that proved, and did, the nation well!

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
24. True.
Mon Jul 20, 2015, 07:24 AM
Jul 2015

I'm giving him a second look since I liked how he handled the protestors. He is cool. Like him. No big ego either.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
25. What I don't get
Mon Jul 20, 2015, 07:26 AM
Jul 2015

is that people have always said here at DU, when they strongly criticized Obama, that no one should be above criticism. That it's wrong to act like a fan and be afraid of criticism. I don't get how that doesn't go for Sanders too. I plan to vote for Sanders, but he can and should be criticized. None of the candidates is perfect, particularly as far as anti-racism goes. They all can and should receive criticism.

I'm frustrated by how my fellow Sanders supporters are acting. They're behaving like tween fanboys/fangirls. He's a politician, not a celebrity crush.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
26. LOL ...
Mon Jul 20, 2015, 07:29 AM
Jul 2015
is that people have always said here at DU, when they strongly criticized Obama, that no one should be above criticism.


That's different ...!!!!!

They're behaving like tween fanboys/fangirls. He's a politician, not a celebrity crush.


You just don't understand.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
35. I was for Sanders last year. I was giddy when he entered the race. I wanted to support him.
Mon Jul 27, 2015, 03:20 AM
Jul 2015

Last edited Mon Jul 27, 2015, 02:43 PM - Edit history (1)

the 'Ready for Anyone Else' guys seemed to jump right on him and some started the same negativity they'd had on Obama on HRC. In fact, in all the posts in which I was attacked for supporting PBO, were nothing in comparison to my gradually shifting to Clinton got the negativity sent my way.

I don't want to see Bernie's name or the avatar anymore. Because it's left such a foul taste. Then the going after posters like Strong, etc. It got worse, if possible. What is being done to bravenak worse than what ProSense got.

I decided instead of my original plan to vote for BS in the primary and 'whoever' in the general changed. I saw some saying the same thing, who were mocked by those saying they shouldn't be weak minded and pay attention to what people say on DU.

I don't agree because the level of hostility shown here must be in parts of his campaign. It sure showed up at NRN. And I don't want to live under their thumbs, know what I mean?

So I stopped IRL trying to get HRC suppoters to take a look at Bernie. I've decided to not vote in the primary in my state unless it becomes competitve, which it's not. I'll vote in the general.

The Democrats can run Bugs Bunny or Wiley Coyote and I'll vote for him. But what I see here at DU, has to represent some BS supporters IRL as well. I mean, look at NRN. The link Bobbie Jo posted about how a big guy tried to manhandle this little woman - that is scarey.

So I've lost interest. And some may have wanted that to happen. They want their way or the highway. I'm not going to genuflect when a daddy figure walks by. Fine, they can do it themselves.

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