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Wed Aug 19, 2015, 05:41 PM

Right wing racists and their dirty tricks trying to take Shawn King down...

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Shaun King And Why We’re So Quick To Believe White Folks



As I write this, activist Shaun King’s name is trending on Twitter…nationwide. If you are unfamiliar, with all the incidents of police brutality plaguing our nation, King has been a voice within the Black Lives Matter movement. And he doesn’t just have swift Twitter fingers, he’s about that work in real life as well.

King was also set to launch a new organization called the Justice Coalition, which seeks to end police brutality in this country by forming policy teams and launching an additional website to tell the true stories of how police brutality effects its victims.

But he’s not trending because of these new initiatives. He’s trending because people want to know if he’s really Black like he claims to be. They want to know if he’s “the next Rachel Dolezal.” And we all know how she dominated the news cycle for a good two weeks.

Breitbart, a right-winged, conservative news aggregation site named after its founder, Andrew Breitbart, alleged that King, who has said he has a White mother and a Black father, not only lied about being bi-racial. They claim he lied about his ethnicity to get a scholarship to Morehouse from Oprah Winfrey. They also claim he lied about being in a car accident and being attacked by racists during his high school years in rural Kentucky.

Breitbart claims to have obtained a copy of his birth certificate that seems to list a White man as his father.

The story blew up from there. You know folks love to have the tea. And in their quest to join the hashtag or unearth a scandal, many never even took the time to consider the source.

As a journalism major we were taught to question everything. When I was interning for a copywriter at MSNBC, she told me, “If your mother tells you she loves you, get a second opinion.” That’s the mindset we were trained to adopt when attempting to process new information.

Today, when I heard that it was Breitbart that was trying to call Shaun King a liar, I immediately doubted the notion. Not so much because I question everything I hear and read. Admittedly, I’ve become more and more lax on that front, but because I know the recent history of the publication.

For those who were paying attention to the news during the summer of 2010, you may remember Breitbart was the same publication that infamously cost Shirley Sherrod her job with Department of Agriculture.

Breitbart obtained excerpts from a speech Sherrod gave at the at an NAACP event. The site chopped and screwed the video and painted Sherrod as a racist. When in actuality, her speech warned people not to let their personal prejudices stand in the way of helping someone and developing quality friendships.

But everyone trusted Breitbart. Instead of watching the whole video for themselves, the story spread like wildfire. FoxNews led the way and then a New York CBS affiliate picked it up and then the Atlanta Journal Constitution. By that afternoon, Sherrod received numerous emails from government officials asking her to submit her resignation. The NAACP stepped forward saying they condemned her remarks. And her superiors told her The White House requested that she resign immediately.

And it was all a lie, for nothing. A conservative, White publication said something was true, put up a few video clips and a Black woman, who wasn’t even given the opportunity to tell her side of the story, lost her job because of it.

In all honesty, the Shaun King receipts seem plausible, just like the Sherrod receipts did five years ago. A White man on your birth certificate is pretty convincing.

But Breitbart is something like a MediaTakeout for conservative White folks. The story looks good on the surface, but when you do your own investigation, it’s bullshit. And for whatever reason, their rumors don’t just stir up drama and kick up mess, they cause emotional and psychological damage. Sherrod lost her job and was publicly shamed by her people and the government. At the end of the day everybody looked like fools, had to issue apologies, including The White House, and Breitbart, the site and the man, likely revealed in the exposure and visits to their website.

Judging by the way the story about Shaun King took off, their credibility didn’t even suffer.

And that is the very problem King is fighting against. We talk about Black Lives mattering and having value. But when it’s our word against a White man’s we discover we’re still less credible, inferior. It’s devastating when people, particularly Black people, are so ready and willing to believe something just because a White man said it.

I know I’ve referenced this before, but the same thing happened when Barack Obama was running for President. Black folks wanted to vote for him but didn’t think he stood a chance of winning. But when he took Iowa, when they saw that White folks were cosigning him, then all of a sudden we felt comfortable to support our own.

Y’all we don’t need the White man’s cosign anymore.

And we need to question the coverage of Black people on all media platforms, particularly when the only time Black people are mentioned is when someone is attempting to discredit us.

By now you might be wondering did Shaun address his racial makeup. He did, via his Twitter page.


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Reply Right wing racists and their dirty tricks trying to take Shawn King down... (Original post)
MrScorpio Aug 2015 OP
Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2015 #1
MrScorpio Aug 2015 #2
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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 05:46 PM

1. If all I knew about Mr King was seeing that picture

I would have thought he was white too. He looks 'white'.

But why should it matter? Haven't we heard that Black Lives Matter doesn't discriminate, that white members are welcome too?

And how old is this story? Isn't Breitbart dead?

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Reply #1)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 05:54 PM

2. Here's his high school pic...



He's bi-racial, like he says he his. I have no doubt about it.

Another DUer once advised that one should never believe right wingers about ANYTHING!

https://twitter.com/ShaunKing

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Response to MrScorpio (Reply #2)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 05:59 PM

4. What a difference a haircut makes.

Yeah, although I admit I still would have thought Hispanic, rather than black. Guess I'm not so hot at spotting biracial folks.

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Reply #4)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 06:07 PM

7. Check this out...



A student at my high school has recently shared his eye witness account and first hand perspective as a white student that grew up in my hometown of Versailles. PLEASE HELP SHARE HIS STORY!

To anybody from my city of Versailles that comes across this story, we should be MORE than vocal about it. During my time in high school, Versailles dropped the ball on how it handled EVERY instance of racial tension.

And to question his race? Since the third grade, Shaun has had to deal with whispers as to his racial make-up. Whispers that no adult helped him deal with or process. Yes, that includes his mother.

Shaun got called “Nigger” just as much, if not more, than myself or any of my black friends and family while growing up in Versailles. Do you think an 8 year old would volunteer for that type of treatment? A funny colored, wavy haired child just trying to navigate life? To have anything from racial slurs to cups full of dip-spit (chewing tobacco) hurled at you from confederate flag covered pick-up trucks? And then 20 years later have some right wing assholes question whether it ever happened and go as far as to call you a fraud and try to de-bunk years of social justice work that you’ve put under your belt?

We grew up in a town where white mothers were constantly dis-owned by their families for having relationships and making children with black fathers. Where even into the 2000’s, the racial identities of mix-raced children were a taboo topic. Shaun was a direct victim of that. 20 years later, much progress has been made in my town of Versailles, but we are proving we have much further to go if people from my home town don’t speak the fuck up.

With all the blatant instances of racism still happening in 2015, imagine what it was like 20 years ago in a rural Kentucky town with a population of less than 8,000. Imagine how a high school and police department would handle a potential “hate crime”.

If this happened in the age of the internet, the story would have spread like wildfire, but 20 years ago, the systematic conditions were in place to sweep Shaun and his situation under the rug.

During those 20 months that Shaun spent time recovering, I was a constant presence at his bedside. Directly following the altercation and many more times over the years, Shaun had numerous spinal surgeries and is still in pain EVERY DAY OF HIS LIFE.

He’s told his story countless times, but rarely comments on the amount of pain that he is in on a DAILY.

The extent that news media will go to in order to discredit a soldier that’s dedicated his life to fighting injustice sickens me.

If anything, his entire life of dealing with this mess is the REASON he fights for injustice. Why are these idiots too blind to see that?

Piss off

Willis Polk II pka Deacon (of CunninLynguists)

http://hip-hop-fanatic.tumblr.com/post/127110047338/black-lives-matter-activist-shaun-king-might-be

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Reply #4)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 02:57 AM

65. Hispanics come in all colors--all that means is they were raised in a Spanish language culture

Some include Portuguese in there as well.

Carmen Diaz, David Ortiz, Alberto Fujimori, the Pope--all Hispanic.

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Response to MrScorpio (Reply #2)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 12:32 PM

13. NEVER believe them, they NEVER tell the truth. Period

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Response to randys1 (Reply #13)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 08:50 AM

77. The people he leads are the ones who count. Do they recognize a right-wing racist attack--on them?!

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Reply #1)

Fri Aug 21, 2015, 08:16 PM

61. Breitbart is dead

Andrew Breitbart: Death of a Douche
Rollingstone Magazine

But why should it matter? Haven't we heard that Black Lives Matter doesn't discriminate, that white members are welcome too?


BLM does not discriminate and neither did anyone involved in civil rights and/or NAACP.

Founding group
The NAACP was formed partly in response to the continuing horrific practice of lynching and the 1908 race riot in Springfield, the capital of Illinois and resting place of President Abraham Lincoln. Appalled at the violence that was committed against blacks, a group of white liberals that included Mary White Ovington and Oswald Garrison Villard, both the descendants of abolitionists, William English Walling and Dr. Henry Moscowitz issued a call for a meeting to discuss racial justice.

http://www.naacp.org/pages/naacp-history

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Response to Stellar (Reply #61)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 03:09 AM

67. The former head of the NAACP, Ben Jealous, doesn't look particularly dusky either-but who cares?

Why aren't the Brietbart Brigade assholes going after him? Jerks.

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Response to MADem (Reply #67)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 06:32 AM

68. I remember watching that episode about Ben Jealous.

and I think they said he was like 87% European mixed with something else, but I don't remember this part that you shared. I must have fallen asleep. But, who knows, they probably will still go after him. That's their m.o.

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Reply #1)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 09:22 AM

78. Excuse me! How does he look white in that photo?

Get your eyes check. That photo is obviously of lighter skinned black guy or a bi-racial man — like the president who we all know identifies as a black man.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 05:58 PM

3. "Why We’re So Quick To Believe White Folks" ...

 

Cuz everybody know ... the white man's ice is colder!

(If you don't know what that means, ask somebody.)

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #3)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 06:03 PM

5. Exactly!

I've been questioning others on why they're so quick to believe breitbart.com especially with their history. Especially at this time in history. And especially with the issues certain people have with BLM and vocal Black activists getting their voices heard.


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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #3)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 06:03 PM

6. I asked google.

It seems to be indicative of internalized racist social beliefs by those oppressed by that very society. Pretty insidious.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 06:35 PM

8. They're tearing him up on Twitter

I can't stand it. If you have a Twitter account, Shaun could use some support.

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Response to tblue (Reply #8)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 10:49 AM

11. I've been trying...

When far RW white folks get to determine who is or isn't black, you know we've gone way past surreal...

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Response to Blue_Tires (Reply #11)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 07:20 AM

71. We've been doing it since before the one drop rule

Apparently now some white folks are trying to change the narrative--since its convienent to promote a racism and white supremacy agenda.

Ugly shit.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 06:45 PM

9. Can we only learn certain things from certain people?

I've learned a lot from Shaun King's ongoing constant work at Daily Kos. I never wondered what "race" he is.

I hope this won't derail him. I don't think it will.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 11:06 PM

10. Wow, wtf?

I'll go check out Twitter. I already follow him.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 11:47 AM

12. K&R this, if I may, MrScorpio!

I'm printing this off for my two sons.

I especially love this part:
And that is the very problem King is fighting against. We talk about Black Lives mattering and having value. But when it’s our word against a White man’s we discover we’re still less credible, inferior. It’s devastating when people, particularly Black people, are so ready and willing to believe something just because a White man said it.

I know I’ve referenced this before, but the same thing happened when Barack Obama was running for President. Black folks wanted to vote for him but didn’t think he stood a chance of winning. But when he took Iowa, when they saw that White folks were cosigning him, then all of a sudden we felt comfortable to support our own.

Y’all we don’t need the White man’s cosign anymore.

And we need to question the coverage of Black people on all media platforms, particularly when the only time Black people are mentioned is when someone is attempting to discredit us.

By now you might be wondering did Shaun address his racial makeup. He did, via his Twitter page.


I am very proud of the way he is handling this on facebook.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 02:20 PM

14. The same DUers...

...who eviscerated Rachel Dolezal BUT are now apoplectic about Shaun King, may want to revisit their basic understanding of sexism 101.

The backstories are almost identical, yet the disparity in their handling, particularly here at DU, is a real eyeopener. One was made a pariah. The other is being molded into a martyr...

TYY *smh*

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Response to TeeYiYi (Reply #14)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 03:11 PM

15. "Identical," how?

Aside from right wing smears, where's the proof that King misrepresented his racial background?

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Response to MrScorpio (Reply #15)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 03:34 PM

16. You're just proving my point...

...by giving one the benefit of the doubt from the jump, but not the other.

To answer your question: Both were tireless advocates and allies of the African American community. Both claimed to be biracial. Both received full scholarships to African American Universities based on their biracial ethnicity. Both claimed to have been racially discriminated against. Both had family members come forward to deny their claims of being African American...

TYY

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Response to TeeYiYi (Reply #16)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 03:59 PM

17. Which members of King's family have denied that he's biracial?

His wife?

Shawn King’s Wife Defends Him on FB: ‘He’s No Rachel Dolezal’



*Shaun King’s wife has come to his defense in a lengthy Facebook post in the wake of allegations he led people to believe he is black. Conservative blogs have uncovered documents proving that both of his parents are white, and CNN says it has since gotten confirmation from one of King’s family member.

“Shaun is a flawed and imperfect man. He has made many mistakes. Just like me and just like you. But regarding his race, he has never lied. Not once,” writes Rai King in her Facebook post. “His story is beautifully difficult, and painful. And I’ve actually encouraged him to tell it publicly because it is a unique expression of this country’s sordid and ridiculous history with race. But it’s his story to tell. On his own terms. When he’s ready to tell it.”

Rai goes on to say that her husband is “no Rachel Dolezal.”
“What’s white about him is white, and what’s Black about him is Black and always has been from the time he was a child,” Rai writes. “There’s no spray tan, no fake Black hairstyles, no attempt to make himself appear any more ethnic than he already does.”

Rai ends the post by saying this ordeal has her energized.
“If I lacked courage before, this situation has found it renewed in me,” she writes. “Any student of history understands that this type of scrutiny and demonizing of public figures is an old and tried tactic designed to take the focus off of the work at hand. Well, you may choose to be distracted from this work, but we won’t. Today I am going to teach the Black and Brown 1st graders I love so much. It is in the classroom, through the shaping and molding of young minds, that I stage my protest. Today, Shaun will continue to raise the collective consciousness of us all by writing articles highlighting police brutality. Many expect this media foolishness to take center stage in our lives. It never will.”
Read her entire post below:

Read more at http://www.eurweb.com/2015/08/shawn-kings-wife-defends-him-on-fb-hes-no-rachel-dolezal/#aFzisDlYe4a8kMaY.99



What I find interesting here is that King clearly looks biracial… Remember, I come from a family of black people of all shades and colors. If anything, he looks as if he could be my own son…



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Response to MrScorpio (Reply #17)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 04:08 PM

20. +1!! nt

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Response to MrScorpio (Reply #17)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 04:15 PM

22. Explain to me...

...how DU's treatment of Rachel Dolezal was not a classic case of sexism, in light of the Shaun King controversy.

TYY

Edit to add: MrScorpio, I don't remember you defending Rachel Dolezal by posting pictures of her black husband and black children...

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Response to TeeYiYi (Reply #22)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 04:20 PM

23. Because Rachel wasn't biracial and isn't.

That's not complicated.

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Response to Starry Messenger (Reply #23)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 04:29 PM

24. That was not proven...

...until much later in the narrative. What are you going to do if Shaun King turns out to be white? Will he receive the same treatment that Rachel Dolezal received?

The sexist hypocrisy in this case is staggering.

TYY

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Response to TeeYiYi (Reply #24)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 04:34 PM

25. The guy is NOT white

Look, I've been around black people all my life, and I can TELL from all the photos I've seen that he is NOT white. MrScorpio, a bona fide black guy, is vouching for him.

You're wrong, face it. You have a lot of chutzpah making this argument in AA, I'm telling you.

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Response to steve2470 (Reply #25)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 04:40 PM

27. My argument...

... is that DU was blatantly sexist in their disparity of reaction to similar cases that differ almost solely by gender.

You think it takes chutzpah to bring up sexism in the AA forum? Interesting.

TYY

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Response to TeeYiYi (Reply #27)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 05:02 PM

30. They differ in the most important way

One of them is actually biracial. If you look at pictures of him as a child, he looks biracial. His family says he's biracial. The only people who say he isn't are Glenn Beck and his fans.

The other one is not biracial. Her own parents are the ones who started that conversation. If you look at photos of her as a child, she looks clearly white.

They only have to differ in that way for them to be entirely different.

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Response to gollygee (Reply #30)

Fri Aug 21, 2015, 02:32 PM

51. Family Member Confirms to CNN That #BlackLivesMatter Activist Shaun King Is White

 

During a segment on #BlackLivesMatters activist Shaun King and the allegation he isn’t black at all, CNN host Don Lemon revealed that he had spoken to a family member of King’s who confirmed he was white.

“A family member tells CNN that both of King’s parents are white,”Lemon said on Wednesday night’s edition of CNN Tonight.

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/family-member-confirms-to-cnn-that-blacklivesmatter-activist-shaun-king-is-white/

There are childhood photos of him as well.

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Response to oberliner (Reply #51)

Fri Aug 21, 2015, 02:46 PM

53. What I've read that he's said

is that the person named as his father, and on his birth certificate, is not his biological father. And he looks multiracial in his childhood photos to me.

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Response to gollygee (Reply #53)

Fri Aug 21, 2015, 03:07 PM

54. I've read the same

 

I just wonder who this "family member" was that "confirmed" that he was white? What would motivate that person to contact CNN with that apparently false information? Or was the family member not really a family member? Or did they just not know the truth?

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Response to oberliner (Reply #54)

Fri Aug 21, 2015, 03:08 PM

55. Could be any of those things

Someone with a grudge, someone who doesn't like him, not really a family member and akin to "some people say. . ." Who knows?

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Response to oberliner (Reply #54)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 10:10 AM

80. I wondered the same thing.

Don Lemon's black bona fides are suspect IMO.

Seems he took the word of someone who claimed to be relatives of King and ran with it and put it on the air. As a journalist you're supposed to question and verify, which is why he should have talked to other sources.

Lemon is full of it. He's black. He grew up in the African American community where people of Shaun King's complexion are common and part of the community and part of many of our families. It's so common that I'm sure he has relatives that look like King.

Why didn't he interview Shaun King, who is obviously bi-racial, which in this country means you're black, like President Obama.

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Response to TeeYiYi (Reply #27)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 08:33 AM

73. My take down of her was NOT sexist

If anything I find it appalling that a lot of folks only "show up" for a black woman when she is actually white.

And she did not share my experience as a bi-racial person.

She didn't. She doesn't.

She never once had a kid ask her if she was adopted when she was with her mom.
Or her dad for that matter.

Her parents never had to tell her "don't be rude! It's perfectly acceptable for someone's parents to match."

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Response to TeeYiYi (Reply #27)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 09:55 AM

79. The Dolezal case wasn't about sexism.

You're kind of misrepresenting that whole fiasco.

It was about race — whether she was actually African American.

The cases are seemingly similar at first glance but they are so different — different by 180 degrees.

Dolezal is white. I posted here at the time that even if she was white she was doing positive things in the African American community (unpaid position) and that we should back off of her. After all, being black is a good thing. Of course that never happened, she was hung out to dry.

Shaun King's case is the exact opposite. He IS African American (biracial if you will, as is our president who also identifies as black. If you know anything about the history of this country, if you have black blood in you you are considered African American. In both these men's cases they embraced that designation. As I wrote earlier, being black is a good thing, especially in this country as the legacy of warmongering and racism doesn't hang over the black community).

Like I said, the cases are similar until you scratch the surface and find they are not.

And how you introduce sexism as being at the core of it I don't get at all.

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Response to TeeYiYi (Reply #24)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 04:35 PM

26. No, her story literally began in the media with her parents saying she wasn't Black and that they

were white. That wasn't later in the narrative--that was the news story. Period.

Shaun has spent the last 24 hours posting the most heartrending stories, including pictures of himself nearly beaten to death for being Black in his high school. A witness from high school who hasn't talked to him for years stepped forward to recount exactly what happened. https://www.facebook.com/shea.gold.7/posts/10207491583438631

No one but the right wing press is saying Shaun is white and it is to slander him because he's starting a new organization against police violence.

His pictures show a biracial Black man. There's nothing sexist, it is evidence. Rachel had nothing. Please do some reading.

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Response to Starry Messenger (Reply #26)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 07:11 PM

38. Good Lord. That Facebook post is horrific

He has been through hell and back.

And I don't know what's worse, that Glenn Beck and his crew of fuckwits is attacking him or that some "progressives" actually believe that his case is similar to Rachel Dolefraud.

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Response to Number23 (Reply #38)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 08:35 PM

40. Or that Rachel was some civil rights heroine that was oh so put-upon

That people defend her still leaves me gaping in shock.

Shaun said he still suffers from horrible back and neck pain from his injuries. The racist attack took him out of school for a whole year. The school covered it up and the town did too.

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Response to Starry Messenger (Reply #40)

Fri Aug 21, 2015, 04:13 PM

58. I'm still waiting on Rachel receipts that she was a heroine for Black people.

No one ever produced them (she didn't, her community didn't) but people still tout that garbage around with no evidence.



Why I would seriously listen to breitbart on anything related to Black people is laughable.

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Response to lib87 (Reply #58)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 06:40 AM

69. I agree.

I think it is worth noting that in her quest to "be Black" she went right for a community position that would gain her attention and respect.

Also, the right-wing media rushed to protect her, and covered for that transracial bs. And now they are using her to attack Shaun King. (I'm noticing she's not out there saying anything about all this or any other issue affecting Black Lives Matter.)

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Response to Number23 (Reply #38)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 08:34 AM

74. Progressives

Whose asses are showing - far worse.

So-called allies.

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Response to TeeYiYi (Reply #22)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 04:46 PM

29. Dolezal basically changed her entire appearance to go from this...



To this:



If you remember correctly, her entire defense was hinged on get assertion that she self-identifed as black person born in a white body and she changed her appearance to accommodate her claim, as well as claim that her parents were non-white. They came out and said that that was a lie. Do you recall that this was described as being "transracial?" It's not even the real meaning of the word.

http://newsone.com/3123996/rachel-dolezals-today-show-interview-not-transracial/

None of this had anything to do with her gender… It had to do with her white parents, who went on camera to correct Dolezal's narrative.



Again, besides some unnamed "family member" who called Don fucking Lemon, of all people, to claim that he's "white" and the RWNJ anti-black smears all over the internet, where's the beef about King?

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/20/us/activist-shaun-king-denies-claims-he-lied-about-race-and-assault.html

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Response to MrScorpio (Reply #29)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 05:13 PM

31. Why do you hate...

...Rachel Dolezal so bad? Everything she lived her life for and claimed to be about was in support and defense of the African American community. She worked tirelessly for equality and against racism in America, as a leader for the NAACP.

What are you going to do if Shaun King turns out to be white? Will that negate all of the work he has done for BLM and in defense of African Americans and against racism and police brutality?...

On paper, these two stories dovetail completely, right down to the caucasian birth certificates and childhood 'white looking' photographs. The media circus in both cases has been ridiculous and unprecedented. Are you telling me you really don't see the blatant disparity in how they've been handled here at DU?

TYY

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Response to TeeYiYi (Reply #31)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 05:23 PM

32. You know, I'm going to step in here as host.

These are all strawmen in the face of material you have been given by members of the AA forum who know best about their own experience, like Mr. Scorpio. (Who, as an aside, I will also say as a Feminist Group host, I have seen to be a person who attacks male supremacy too, so I think those insinuations as to sexism are false.)



Why do you hate...

...Rachel Dolezal so bad? Everything she lived her life for and claimed to be about was in support and defense of the African American community. She worked tirelessly for equality and against racism in America, as a leader for the NAACP.

What are you going to do if Shaun King turns out to be white? Will that negate all of the work he has done for BLM and in defense of African Americans and against racism and police brutality?...


I'm going to ask you to back out of the group, which is a protected space. You've been given plenty of material to read, so I will ask you to go and do some reading instead of attacking people in here. First and last warning. Thank you.

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Response to TeeYiYi (Reply #31)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 05:51 PM

34. I don't hate her...

I simply don't believe her when she claims to be "transracial" to account for her adopting a black heritage in order to compensate for her altogether white one. What was the point of her changing the texture of her hair and darkening her skin?

Don't forget that I've lived long enough in this country to both witness and personally experience how racial identity works. I understand very much, as someone who hails from a visually diverse family background, that not all black people in this country's history have stayed black. However, if some white individual actually has no black background at all, there's absolutely no "transracial" process to turn that person into a black person.

Check this out, this is a page from my family reunion program from last year…



How many of my blood relatives here are white people? The answer is none of them.

We're living in modern times, so there's no impetus to hide it. However, if any of them had decided to live lives as "white" people, who's to say otherwise?

What you should know it that some "white" people in this country, especially if they were born in the civil right era and before, had actually had black heritage and were actually considered black under the "One Drop" rule. They hid this fact and went on to live lives as "white" people, this is called "passing." SO to me, the birth certificate is clearly suspect or at lest not sufficiently explained. Dolezal's parents, for the record, are not such people. They claim that they've alway's been white and openly so.

I refuse to accede to the logic and "evidence" of white RWNJs, who all have very little if any understanding of this country's long history of racial politics, especially as it pertains to the south, while they are hell-bent on discrediting an effective activist for black people.





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Response to MrScorpio (Reply #34)

Fri Aug 21, 2015, 03:46 PM

57. +1 ...

 

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Response to TeeYiYi (Reply #31)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 06:15 PM

36. She fabricated hate crimes

 

That's not despicable?

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Response to MrScorpio (Reply #17)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 08:45 PM

41. LOL, cuz

I had to migrate over here from the GOS just to lol at this comment.

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Response to Chitown Kev (Reply #41)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 11:51 PM

47. Please feel free to "migrate" back from wherever you came from

Thanks.

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Response to Number23 (Reply #47)

Fri Aug 21, 2015, 12:21 AM

48. Um, excuse me....

"cuz" is short for cousin...I grew up with the person who started this thread. He's family (my second cousin, to be precise).

His are some of the few diaries that I read over here at DU...I've lurked here for months.
and I know him well enough to know that if he would rather I go back to lurking, then he will tell me, as this is a public board, I can plant my ass here and make comments as I damn well please.

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Response to Chitown Kev (Reply #48)

Fri Aug 21, 2015, 04:32 AM

49. Kevin?

Hey, have to talk. DM me your phone number.

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Response to Chitown Kev (Reply #48)

Fri Aug 21, 2015, 05:28 PM

59. Actually "cuz" no you can't.

I can plant my ass here and make comments as I damn well please.

Not even close. But I appreciate Scorpio explaining the situation. Otherwise I would have been happy to help you migrate someplace else.

Welcome to DU.

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Response to Number23 (Reply #59)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 12:25 AM

63. You're right, I'm wrong...I was way out of line...

Yes this is not only Mr. Scorpio's space but also a space for all DU's and, specifically, a DU space for black folks.

In that light, since I do have SOME home training, I should have given a proper introduction of myself and I did not do that.

And since I am a bit on the defensive side due to certain flame wars which this post touches on, my rage-o-meter is already dialed up to 8 or 9...well, I went there. and it was wrong of me to do so.

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Response to Chitown Kev (Reply #63)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 03:08 AM

66. It's not a big deal at all. And to be honest, any friend of Scorpio's is more than welcome here

We're on the defensive here as well. This forum has been under siege for a while now due to the occasional racist troll infestation not to mention the over zealousness of a certain candidate's supporters. I'm sure you know of whom I speak. The entire Internet, hell the entire WORLD has been calling out their shit for the last month or so.

So please, come visit and visit often. This place is in desperate need of more minority voices and I have a feeling yours would be a great one to have here.

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Response to Number23 (Reply #66)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 06:43 AM

70. lol

...not to mention the over zealousness of a certain candidate's supporters


I have no idea what you're talking about, lol

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/06/15/1393346/-Why-do-Nice-White-Progressives-have-to-be-so-White

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Response to MrScorpio (Reply #17)

Fri Aug 21, 2015, 06:32 PM

60. He looks clearly bi racial to me as well.

But, I'm from New Orleans.

My Black Husband looks more European than King. Geeez!

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Response to MrScorpio (Reply #17)

Fri Aug 21, 2015, 09:11 PM

62. But if you look at his childhood photos

I would never have guessed he identifies as black.

I agree that he looks bi-racial in these photos. I wouldn't have to take a second glance to agree since I grew up in the south and went to school with many biracial students who, of course, identified as black, but have that same coloring.

Not a reliable source for news, but the pictures of him as a child are probably real.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3205042/He-s-no-Rachel-Dolezal-Shaun-King-s-wife-defends-husband-claims-lied-race-family-member-CONFIRMS-parents-white.html

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Response to TexasMommaWithAHat (Reply #62)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 08:12 AM

72. There are two little boys living a few doors down from me who are biracial and look very much like that

Not all multiracial people look just the same, and they don't all have the same hair texture. Those photos certainly don't prove that he isn't biracial. To me they look like photos of a biracial child, though that might be because they look like my neighbors' kids.

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Response to TexasMommaWithAHat (Reply #62)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 08:38 AM

75. I would have

Because I am a black person with a white parent.

Please migrate back to GD. Telling you that as a group host.

We are all familiar with your posts.

And your approach.

I have three pm's that there is an intruder. So please go. It's going to be a beautiful day in Central NJ and I'm not babysitting today.

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #75)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 08:48 AM

76. Didn't realize I wasn't in general.

Do enjoy your beautiful day.

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Response to TeeYiYi (Reply #14)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 04:07 PM

19. The backstories are almost identical ...

 

almost except for ALL the facts.

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Response to TeeYiYi (Reply #14)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 07:05 PM

37. Rachel Dolezal is not black. She was never called "nigger" or tormented for being black because she

is NOT black. She never has been black. She never WILL be black.

It absolutely astonishes me that there are people so tone deaf and clueless that they would compare these two situations.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 04:03 PM

18. BLM is a real movement, real people, very serious people. This scares the chickenshits and

the racists and the assholes.

So expect anything and everything.

Next that punk who lied about ACORN will try and do some asinine video undercover.

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Response to randys1 (Reply #18)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 10:24 AM

81. Yep! They're trying to do that very thing to Planned Parenthood right now. nt

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Response to randys1 (Reply #18)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 11:15 AM

82. +1 and you are right, the punk probably will.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 04:12 PM

21. tweeted him in support, everyone on Twitter needs to

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 04:43 PM

28. No second opinion necessary

 

Your advice about getting another opinion does not apply to Breitbart. Just disregard everything.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 05:54 PM

35. I only know Shaun King from his Daily Kos diaries which are very eloquent

To me he looks biracial but some photos are more so than others. In any case, the haters are just using that as an excuse to make trouble as they always do. No one should believe breitbart

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 08:33 PM

39. Reading his DKos post regarding all of this right now...

and while it's beautifully written, it makes me feel like vomiting. How incredibly sickening that Mr. King has been forced to so publicly relive the pains of his past and share such personal information all because of some idiot Internet lynch-mob. And shame on the mainstream media outlets that were so eager to tear someone down that they ran with a story from fucking Breitbart.

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Response to WIProgressive88 (Reply #39)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 09:33 PM

43. Still lurking here

as if Breitbart doesn't have a track record of horrible shit like this; not the first time the MSM has done this.

And all along, from the time that King introduced himself to DKos, I always thought that he looked like Mr. Scorpio.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 09:00 PM

42. HT to WIProgressive above

Shaun's new diary. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/08/20/1413881/-Race-love-hate-and-me-A-distinctly-American-story

I'm so sorry he even had to write this. I can't excerpt it, because to cut it up would be a crime. I hope people will go read it on KOS.

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Response to Starry Messenger (Reply #42)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 09:55 PM

44. It's absolutely heartbreaking, isn't it?

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Response to WIProgressive88 (Reply #44)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 10:03 PM

45. It is.

I'm so sorry he had to open up his life like this because of the hateful attacks. He doesn't know me from a hole in the ground, but I just want to hug him.

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Response to Starry Messenger (Reply #45)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 10:33 PM

46. I feel the same.


It takes true bravery to open up and show that kind of vulnerability, especially after being exposed to so much cruelty.

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Response to Starry Messenger (Reply #42)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 02:42 PM

84. Oh MAN

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Fri Aug 21, 2015, 02:32 PM

50. These attacks on Mr. King are getting really nasty

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Fri Aug 21, 2015, 02:33 PM

52. ThinkProgress has a good explanation as to why the conservatives are attacking Mr. King

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Fri Aug 21, 2015, 03:23 PM

56. This is insane...

I forget the names and details, but there was a concerted effort by MRA types to take down several women in Gamergate. But I read that the onslaught on twitter and other social media outlets, attacking the women, was done by relatively few people.

I don't know if sockpuppet is the correct term, but basically one person creating a multitude of profiles -- with many people doing this same thing -- making it seem like the criticism was VAST and widespread, when in reality it was a handful of people.

I wonder if the same thing is happening here. It's effective though, and it really, really, really sucks.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 02:55 AM

64. Here is the link so people can see the twitter comments....

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 02:16 PM

83. That is a great article

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