'Hillary Clinton’s support among blacks plunges in a new poll'
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/10/01/hillary-clintons-support-from-black-voters-plunges-in-a-new-poll/
We've added bars that show the 10 percent margin of error for the group, showing how much variability is at play. But even so, it's a giant drop-off. Among white Democrats, Clinton is doing nine points worse since July. With black Democrats, this poll has her down 31.
I wanted to post this in here where we can have an intelligent, REALITY BASED conversation about this poll and any impact that doesn't devolve into the typical and idiotic "see, the more blacks see the LIGHT (read: agree with us), the less likely they are to support Hillary!!1"
Even with the poll's issues (a 10 point margin of error??!), a 31 point drop is huge.
Never doubted for a second that Hillary would have difficulty sustaining that damn near 90% support in the AA community though. We have black regular posters in this forum that have made it abundantly clear they will never vote for her and I'm sure they are not alone.
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Not that the Bernie crowd seems even the tiniest bit willing to concede that point. Which makes all of the crowing about this poll from that group all the more hilarious and heartbreaking at the same time. While they continue to whine endlessly about the "smear campaign" against Bernie Sanders. You know, the one cooked up by Undercover Brother or somebody to get him to speak more about racism and issues that affect minority Americans. That was just the most horrible, unfair thing a Senator running for president has EVER had to endure, you know.
But the decision to keep inserting Biden into these polls has to be more than a a cynical attempt by the media to create a horse race... doesn't it???
I have to admit, seeing Obama's VP in the White House does seem like the closest thing to getting a third term for Obama which does make me do the Snoopy happy dance. 
With adding Biden into the mix it is frustrating at best. It makes every damn poll inaccurate. I know I know they are fostering drama. I wish for once we could get some accurate information.
I read that there have been almost 1000 mass shooting in the U.S. -- THIS YEAR.
I pray that Obama does force this issue. It needs to be forced. And all of the candidates need to be prepared. Though I'm sure that Sanders supporters will consider questioning him on gun control is part of the same "smear campaign" as the one black folks created by trying to get him (as well as EVERY OTHER CANDIDATE) to address minority issues. 
Probably closer to 95-97% here in Harlem. Half of the 3-5% who don't support him are the type who are members of the Atlah church ("Obama is too liberal" and of course he is to Liberal for homophobes) and half are Cornel West followers ("Obama isn't liberal enough"
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Both criticisms of Obama are very unpopular where I live.
I find Bernie supporters confused and lacking understanding in general, not just about the dynamic of AA support in the primary race. The most obvious evidence of that is the belief that Bernie would be able to get anything done if elected because with the Republican House that we have, (which by the way due to redistricting we can't do much about until Jan 2023) no Democratic President is going to be able to do much of anything. These Bernie supporters either slept through or don't remember that whole "party of no" stuff that has been talked about over and over again.
Bernie hasn't given African American voters much of a reason to vote for him. Even the whole prison stuff he talked about essentially he can't do much about. Most of the folks in prison are convicted of breaking state laws and are in state prisons. Even federal stuff outside of pardons he can't do much about without congress. Presidents have to uphold the laws even laws they don't agree with.
what the hell they were even trumpeting truly made it a post for the ages. 
This is why I wanted to bring the topic in here. Where we could discuss the issues intelligently. Notice in all of the responses to this OP not one has called this anything even resembling a victory for Bernie Sanders. Most of us are actually able to read here and we could see that it was clear that Biden was the one who was eroding Hillary's support.
And yet in GD, these people could see this poll where more black people were undecided than voted for Sanders and it somehow, magically becomes "proof" of black people "feeling the Bern" and that the "smear campaign" black people waged on Sanders by daring to ask that he address black issues "wasn't working." Words cannot express the depths of my pity and contempt for these people.
You could not have nailed that harder.
I could title this A Tale of Two Threads. That other thread and this one. Of course, this one didn't get NEARLY as many recs but I'd take 10 recs from people who are actually able to read and understand basic math over 100+ clapping seals any day of the week.
I know that there's no way that Obama can run for a third term. But having his VP in the White House would come very close to making me do a Snoopy happy dance.
And I know I'm not alone in that regard.
