Bravenak's OP "Eight Things Bernie Sanders' Supporters Need to Stop Saying to Black People" hidden.

[betsuni]

No. No. No. No. No. Unacceptable.

[marble falls]

1. I am a Bernie Sandernista. I also think there needs to be an intervention to stop what is....

obviously a concerted attack on Bravenak. We don't have to agree but we need to accept divergent opinion. I certainly can see and have problems with the lack of support for Bernie and Bernie's struggle to connect with PoC.

[upaloopa]

2. It's too damned late for Bernie and his supporters to connect with POC I think.

Almost six months into the primary season and nothing has changed in that direction. Four months till Super Tuesday and I think POC will sink Bernie's boat that day.

[Gore1FL]

57. Totally makes sense

DU has ruined Bernie for all minorities.

yep

[ismnotwasm]

117. DU has little effect on anything I think

If this was a phenomena limited to DU, it would be a different conversation. This is Internet wide behavior, and it probably has "ruined Bernie for all "minorities" --what a colloquial term.

[Gore1FL]

163. Doubt it. I don't think "minorities" are the thin-skinned shallow idiots you think them to be. n/t

[Number23]

214. You are really confused by this conversation aren't you? Most people when clearly over their

heads have the intelligence/integrity to bow out. You just keep coming in louder and wronger than before.

You apparently think that minorities are "thin skinned shallow idiots" which is why you keep saying things like this in response to posts that are doing nothing but noting the amount of disrespect and harassment that minorities have gotten over the Internet. Seemingly oblivious that your idiotic comments say FAR more about you than about the groups you are pretending have been insulted.

[Cha]

166. Problem is bigger than DU.. this behavior is all over the net and it's been noticed by so many

in the Black Community.

[Gore1FL]

186. If you say so.

But my experiences differ. Funny how anecdotal evidence is.

In any event, I don't think the black community is as shallow and disinclined to research as you think.

[1StrongBlackMan]

188. i've noticed this re-packaged DU:Bernie narrative ...

"black folks just need to do the 'research' on Bernie, then (we) will come around.", as opposed to "name recognition", or the less delicately put, "too stupid to know what is best for (us)."

Tell me:

Since the Black residents of DU are, arguably, as well informed on the candidates, and inarguably, more informed on matters of politics and political issues, as they relate to the Black community.

And, the Black residents of DU, also, track closely to the Black electorate, writ large ... not so much in support of HRC; but rather, in opposition to Bernie Sanders' candidacy.

So what does that say about DU:Bernie's re-packaged "research" narrative Bernie?

[Gore1FL]

192. Not my narrative. Cha said that the entire comunity was swayed by mean people

I find that to be insulting. As a self-described Strong Black man why aren't you insulted by it?

[1StrongBlackMan]

194. So the "research" point just fell upon the screen? ...

But, to your question, as a "self-described Strong Black man", I know Cha was not speaking of the "entire community" (arguing absolutism to make the exception legitimate, really sucks) ... AND, as a "self-described" member of the Black community that has been subjected to the (I won't use your sugar-coated "mean people" characterization), racist sh!t from some of Bernie's most "enthusiastic" supporters, both on DU, and other places on line, I know that Bernie supporting "mean people", are in fact, negatively influencing his perception of my "self-described" self ... ANDHaving deep connections to broad swathes of my "self-described" community (through my community/civic involvement), I know that this disaffection extends beyond my "self-described" self.

That's why I'm not insulted.

[Gore1FL]

198. I think members of the African American community are able to research the candidates.

If you think the African American community can be swayed by the actions of another candidate's supporters, then you apparently do not.

Weird that.

My anecdotal evidence is different than yours. Feel free to continue to make baseless assertions centered on yours.

[1StrongBlackMan]

200. I have spoken to that (re-packaged) "research" B.S., ...

My anecdotal evidence is different than yours. Feel free to continue to make baseless assertions centered on yours.

First, your "self-described" comment has not gone un-noticed; but more, WHY would you think your "anecdotal evidence" from out side of the Black community is more valid than mine, from within the Black community?

Weird that ... well, not weird, just consistent of white folks. {Edited to indicate: SOME white folks}

[Gore1FL]

204. Self-described is an insult? Your handle self describes you as 1strongblackman!

Are you suggesting your handle is a lie?

In any event, thanks for stereotyping across races, though. It makes you seem so progressive to insult both black and whites equally! It makes your argument so much more convincing!

[1StrongBlackMan]

205. Sighhh ...

You are so transparent in your efforts.

[Gore1FL]

206. Not at all.

but if it makes you feel better to think so, please proceed.

[1StrongBlackMan]

207. It makes me feel nothing. n/t

[sheshe2]

218. Understood.

My anecdotal evidence is different than yours. Feel free to continue to make baseless assertions centered on yours.

You just came into the African American Group. A protected group, their home and plunked yourself down on their sofa uninvited and started to 'splain to them. Why is that? Why do you think your ideas hold more weight than theirs. You are an outsider. You were not invited into their home.

You surely did not come here to discuss or listen. You only came here to denigrate. Talk about privilege.

If you think the African American community can be swayed by the actions of another candidate's supporters, then you apparently do not.

They are being swayed? Oh no, you have that wrong. They are not being swayed they are being swarmed and driven off this board. Check out the hides and alerts on this thread alone. Oh, least we forget the topic of the OP. Bravenak once again stalked and hidden.

BTW, nice touch on another post denigrated 1StrongBlackMan's name. Way to go Gore.

This is how you advocate for your candidate? I find that so very sad, because Bernie Sanders is better than that. I may not support him, yet this is indeed a very sad testimonial for your candidate that you are so enthusiastically supporting. Here you are attacking the very base he needs.

[Cha]

189. Don't put words in my mouth. I think African Americans are as dedicated and passionate..

about voting as John Lewis.



They know what they're doing and I appreciate their standing in long lines for hours to help Obama get elected twice as POTUS.

[Gore1FL]

191. I thought you implied that the community was swayed by harsh wordsa and not facts.

I apologize for getting that wrong. What insult to the African American community were you trying make?

[Cha]

193. Get a grip.. I'm not insulting African Americans.

[Gore1FL]

197. At least not intentionally, I suppose. n/t

[Cha]

199. Ha.. now you're on to the innuendoes.

[Gore1FL]

203. Ha!

Nope.

[Number23]

211. Could you please take your intrusion and willful distortions of what is very clearly being said

here somewhere else? Your pretense that the black community was being "insulted" by Cha's comment that the attacks on AA's by Sanders supporters has been noted by many in the AA community is as uninteresting as it is transparent.

Thanks.

[Number23]

213. Your inability to understand something does not make it a willfull distortion

Oh, and let me grab this post from you before you self-delete or edit. But you being such a tough guy, you'd never do that though, would ya honey??

Gore1FL
212. What is being "clearly said" is a pretty obvious willful distortion

Could you please bite me?

Thanks.

Since you are obviously so fascinated in AA issues... excuse me while I ... let me educate you.

Cha noted that many black people have noted the harassment of black people all over the Internet by Sanders supporters. This is not a "willful distortion" of jack shit. It is the truth. Because you don't know that or don't care doesn't make it one bit less true.

And just in case you're wondering, your participation in this thread is doing absolutely NOTHING but beautifully illustrating exactly the kind of unnecessary, unprovoked and unhinged stupidity that Cha and countless other black folks have been talking about from certain individuals all over the Internet. So well done, honey. Well done.

Is there anything else I can help you with??

[Cha]

217. Wow, thank you so much, Number23! I misread his post in the first place or I never would

have stepped into it. I couldn't understand how he thought I was insulting the African American community.

Then I saw it was the typical MO.. accuse others of what is actually happening, in an insistently Orwellian mode. I have no idea what they hope to accomplish by this behavior.

Towards the end of that exchange I was thinking to ask him.. "why don't you ask the Hosts of this AA Group if I'm being insulting?" But, then I didn't want to get anyone else involved in my little Orwellian tinged nightmare.

Mahalo 23 I was so glad to see this when I got back tonight!

[Blue_Tires]

121. The sad irony is I tried to warn them from day one and got shouted down...

But hey, what do I know??

[Number23]

122. Bravenak did the same. And all she got for her efforts was the Wrath of Simpletons

I don't know how many of us tried to get her to step away. Black DUers have known for a long time what makes sense around here and what doesn't and we knew that trying to inform the uninformable and educate the uneducatable was a losing position and not worth the time or effort.

[bravenak]

128. You sure did tell me!

Over and over and over and over and over and.. Yeah. BUNCH of times!!

[Number23]

133. And I also told you about some of those folks you were running around with last year too

Was I wrong about that too??

[bravenak]

134. Hee hee!!!

NOOOOOOOOO!
You were right about them too, lol!

[1StrongBlackMan]

6. All she has to do is STOP speaking her truth and (a segment of) DU will leave her alone ...

divergent opinions are fine on DU so long as it has nothing to do with identifying racism (or race, in general) or Bernie ... a dammit, it damn sure can't touch on both!

[marble falls]

7. Yeah, but I want her here AND I want her speaking truth even when I disagree. She's one person...

(and your're another) that makes DU alive and worth tuning into.

[SusanCalvin]

149. Absolutely. I'm so sick of this garbage.

Some people couldn't do better if the were deliberately trying to turn people against Bernie. I am so sick of the stupid remarks and the alert stalking. Especially the alert stalking. No good deed goes unpunished, I guess....

[Recursion]

12. 3 of my past 5 juries have been on her

None of them legit.

This is %€£¥ing absurd.

[marble falls]

16. I'm doing almost a jury a day and at least 80% seem personal. I've never been on a Bravenak jury....

but I've read the six that got her suspended last time and there was only one I could see any reason to alert on let alone hide.

She has my support.

[betsuni]

19. I'm also on a jury nearly every day (very unusual).

Many are 4-3 either way, and many are personal.

[peacebird]

72. Yes, and many also target Bernie supporters for utterly trivial reasons. Alerting is being used

for purges & personal vendettas this silly season. Haven't really seen such a level of attack before, where people intentionally try to get posters banned this way......

[1StrongBlackMan]

82. I suspect ...

the alerts targeting Bernie supporters for, any reason, let alone trivial reasons, are few and few between.

But my suspicions could, easily, be dispelled with a thread asking DUers to report out on their jury service ... reporting out: 1) who was being Alerted on; 2) the topic of the post that was Alerted on, specifically, whether the post was critical of a candidate, or his/her supporters; and, 3) whether the post contained profanity.

(And to keep folks honest, posting the jury results, to include just the comment, the explanation, and the tally ... the juror explanations could be informative; but, there are so rarely explanations, as to be unless)

That would be telling and informative; but, I suspect such a thread would be alerted on and locked ... post haste.

[marble falls]

89. Been on a few of those juries, and they seem to equal in number those on HRC supporters...

but the attacks on Bravenak and lets face it, you, too are especially outrageous.

[unc70]

104. Relatively even in which side received the alert

A lot of alerts on both sides. A lot of trolling and disrupters on DU. The HRC group seems particularly aggressive if someone accidentally posts in their group when replying to Latest.

I am on a lot of juries and they now take a lot of time to wade through all the back and forth. So tired of all the deliberate pot stirring.

[JustAnotherGen]

180. I am a group host in this Group along with 1Strongblackman

The SOP alerts come from Sanders supporters claiming reverse racism.

I could post - I'm bi-racial married to a white man (both true things) as an OP and get a SOP Alert as a HOST - for engaging in reverse racism because I'm not a white person married to a white man. IE I have to be "fair" even if being "fair" means I'm telling a bald faced lie.

Here's one I posted about last week - note I didn't post their name. There's no need - but any other group host is welcome to do so since we all receive them -

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1187&pid=31319

The group hosts of the HRC Group are doing the exact same thing as the Sanders Group hosts do - and it's what we do in this group. Stop nonsense and disruption.

[unc70]

196. I wasn't trying for disruption

All I was saying was that in MY jury duty, I am seeing alerts and bad behavior from all sides. I assume that you and all the others are having similar experiences.

That is all. And thank you.

[Digital Puppy]

157. YES!!!! Can we please do this?!? n/t

[1StrongBlackMan]

80. LOL ... and one only needs to read the ...

"that poster has a long history of ..." juror comments to know that these alerts and votes have less to do with what was written; and, way more about who wrote it, or who it was written about.

A simple spreadsheet tracking: 1) Who the Alerter is; 2) Who is being Alerted on; and, 3) the topic of the alerted on comment, without regard for the actual content of the post, beyond perhaps noting whether the comment contains profanity, but more, whether the post is critical of a candidate, and/or the candidate's supporters, (and for good measure, the Alerter's "favorite Group&quot , and the pattern/problem would be clear ... AND, would suggest a course of action!

[marble falls]

153. A few of the alerters I suspect have very high posting numbers.

[1StrongBlackMan]

154. Oh ... I'm certain of it. n/t

[jeff47]

76. And >75% of my juries in the last 3 months have been on Sanders supporters

none of them legit either.

Neither "side" has a monopoly on bogus alerts.

[1StrongBlackMan]

93. I'm so sure ...

I suspect we say what we want to see ... especially, based on, this:

Neither "side" has a monopoly on bogus alerts.

But, again ...

But my suspicions could, easily, be dispelled with a thread asking DUers to report out on their jury service ... reporting out: 1) who was being Alerted on; 2) the topic of the post that was Alerted on, specifically, whether the post was critical of a candidate, or his/her supporters; and, 3) whether the post contained profanity.

(And to keep folks honest, posting the jury results, to include just the comment, the explanation, and the tally ... the juror explanations could be informative; but, there are so rarely explanations, as to be unless)

That would be telling and informative; but, I suspect such a thread would be alerted on and locked ... post haste.

[jeff47]

96. I've long supported more transparency in the jury system

Including letting posters know when their posts were alerted on, as well as stiffer penalty for "bogus" alerts (ones that go down 0-7 or 1-6 - draw the line where you feel appropriate).

Put a post in ATA months ago with my suggestions. Skinner feels more transparency would lead to greater animosity.

As for this:

I suspect we say what we want to see ... especially, based on, this

In the last 3 months, I've been on maybe 4 juries where the poster was a Clinton supporter - bogus alert or not.
In the past week, I've been on 4 juries where the poster was a Sanders supporter with the flimsiest of justification for the alert. Claims such as accurately quoting Clinton, with a link for attribution, was a right-wing smear.

So either I'm magically getting a hell of a lot more juries against Sanders supporters, or there is not a monopoly on bogus alerts.

[SusanCalvin]

150. "Skinner feels more transparency would lead to greater animosity"

I read that as "peace and quiet trumps fairness."

[randys1]

102. can you link me to the hide

[Number23]

123. I keep hearing the "both sides do it" argument but Hillary supporters are not hunting the AA forum

and I'd like to think are not weird enough to be hunting the Hillary forum either.

Read the 6000 articles that have been written and discussed about the behavior of a certain political candidate's supporters all over the fucking Internet. It's not just DU. The "both sides are doing it" canard doesn't hold a bit of water.

[jeff47]

125. They're busy hunting the Sanders forum.

Fun fact: When you alert on a post in a group, the mods of the group see who actually sent the alert.

Read the 6000 articles that have been written and discussed about the behavior of a certain political candidate's supporters all over the fucking Internet. It's not just DU.

And the thousands of articles declaring Saddam had WMDs totally prove he did.

A campaign has a talking point in order to drive a wedge. They are hamming it very hard. That makes it no more true than all the right-wing articles declaring Clinton a murderer.

[Number23]

127. The hosts only see SOP alerts not alerts on disruptive posts

And when I see 3 articles on the behavior of Hillary supporters on Twitter, on Facebook and all up and down the Internet, let alone the 100+ we've seen on the behavior of Sanders supporters, then I'll concede that we have a problem.

[jeff47]

129. Added this while you were replying

And the thousands of articles declaring Saddam had WMDs totally prove he did.

A campaign has a talking point in order to drive a wedge. They are hamming it very hard. That makes it no more true than all the right-wing articles declaring Clinton a murderer.

[Number23]

131. I have no idea what your post is supposed to mean or why in God's name you think Saddam's

weapons have any place in this thread.

The point is that there have been literally DOZENS of articles written about the unhinged behavior of Sanders supporters on both the Internet and at various events. We talked alot about a piece written by a black, female attendee of Netroots Nation who said that Sanders supporters actually made her feel "unsafe" at the event. And it's been regular people, most of whom are black, that have written countless articles about the harassment they've faced at the hands of Sanders out of control and damn near rabid supporters.

Like I said, when I see three articles let alone dozens about Hillary supporters doing the same then I'll know that we have a problem. Your head scratching and humorous attempt to change the subject notwithstanding.

[jeff47]

142. There were lots and lots of stories making that claim. Did that make it true?

The point is that there have been literally DOZENS of articles written about the unhinged behavior of Sanders supporters on both the Internet and at various events.

There were literally THOUSANDS of article written about Saddam having WMDs. Did that make it true?

We talked alot about a piece written by a black, female attendee of Netroots Nation who said that Sanders supporters actually made her feel "unsafe" at the event.

There's lots of pieces written by people claiming they feel "unsafe" in neighborhoods that have lots of "You know....those people". Are those true too?

I'm not saying any particular individual's feelings are invalid in their particular situation. I'm saying the volume of people recounting the same story does not necessarily make it true. Especially when there's a political campaign involved.

[Number23]

146. This is easily one of the most laughably stupid things I've ever seen anyone post anywhere on this

web site. And that is TRULY saying something.

So black people recount the wide spread and incredibly well acknowledged plethora of attacks and harassment they've endured at the hands of Bernie Sanders supporters and you (of course a tried and true ally of black people and black causes, of course) dismiss all of that with a wave of your hand because hey, people said untrue shit about Saddam Hussein too.

This kind of embarrassing idiocy may win you tons of friends in GDP but it won't do you well here at all. You should just step away from this thread now. And if the recounting of the harassment of black people, including John Lewis, by Sanders supporters is something you think is so trivial and unimportant, you would probably do well to no longer participate in this forum.

[JustAnotherGen]

179. I gave him the second warning directly below

Of COURSE - you and me?

We will be accused of "reverse racism" because we are doing our job as group hosts.
Or - denying someone their First Amendment Rights

Because we are doing what Group Hosts are supposed to do. I told him below anymore responses he's blocked.

We warned him and were fair.

[Number23]

210. Some of the stuff these people say around here is nothing short of surreal

It is hard to believe that people think that black people are lying about this. Why do they think black people care enough about Bernie Sanders to make anything up about his supporters????

The harassment and behavior of Sanders supporters all over the Internet has been a damn near constant source of discussion for months. Sanders supporters have gotten damn near as much press as Sanders has. Even white Sanders supporters have cussed out their fellow Sanders supporters over it as we've discussed countless times in this forum. And black folks on DU have been saying this for months too. But I guess we'll part of the National Negro Conspiracy against Bernie Sanders' supporters.

Thanks for sending the formal warning. Hopefully it will go heeded.

[JustAnotherGen]

178. We only see SOP alerts - Group Host

Number23 and I are both group hosts.

We received one last week and this is my notification to the group:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1187&pid=31319
Now read the OP at that thread.

The person who sent the alert?

1. Blocked from this group this past summer.
2. Strong Sanders supporter
3. Favorite Group - Sanders

I've not received one SOP alert from an HRC supporter.

Since "some people say" isn't Good Enough for you -

Two Group Hosts have just told you - You Are Wrong And Don't Know What You Are Talking About.

Good day sir! I said - GOOD DAY and stop disrupting the group. I did not publicly shame the person who sent the alert.

One more post and I'm blocking you. This is your first and second warning. you are bringing shame on this protected group.

[MADem]

176. Most of the people on this board are Sanders supporters, so that makes sense. nt

[Lazy Daisy]

14. I too am a Bernie supporter

I read the OP and didn't think there was anything wrong with it. Whether or not they are right or wrong (it is an OP after all) shouldn't be the issue. Although I didn't go looking for the poop in the pepper, I don't think there was any. Personally I don't think a hide was merited.

However, the picture at the top was offensive. I don't think of myself as a Christian and wasn't offended but could see lots of folks having an issue with it.

Just my opinion

[Jim Lane]

35. I would not have hidden for any of the "8 Things" but the picture is problematic

I thought there was something of a consensus on DU that terms like "Obamabots" and "Hillbots" are unacceptable, because they are personal attacks on people who support a particular politician. A picture that depicts people who support a particular politician as the equivalent of religious zealots is about on the same level with those insults.

As for the "8 Things" themselves, I think some of them are perfectly legitimate to say. Nevertheless, the expression of a contrary opinion does not merit a hide.

[LiberalArkie]

17. I totally agree. There is no reason for all of the attacks just because we do not agree with a

person.

[brer cat]

26. Who would lead such an intervention?

Can...will...the Bernie supporters who recognize the boneheaded wrongness of Bravenak's treatment lead such an intervention? As far as DU is concerned, the attacks on Brave, 1SBM and others are hurting Bernie far more than them, so are you willing to do something about it?

Please understand that I really appreciate that you and other Bernie supporters are coming into this thread and other similar ones to express support, and I am not angry with you. But frankly I think your post needs to be in the Bernie group and not here. It is certainly not the people who normally post in this group attacking her. We can, and do, have her back but we can't stop the assault.

[marble falls]

46. Some simple changes to the alert/jury system might help.....

If an alerting member has so many alerts voted down in a row - a week time out from alerting.
A maximum per member of so many alerts a week.
A MIRT look at alerter with a certain number of alerts that get rejected by 6-2 or 7-1.
If an alerter alerts on a specific poster repeatedly with few or no other alerts on any other poster.
If an alerter only alerts in a specific forum over and over.

[1StrongBlackMan]

110. As with most things, systemic/institutional change only comes about ...

when people/thought leaders of the majority, let it be known that the B.S. is no longer acceptable, or to be ignored, even at the risk of incurring the wrath of the B.S. spreaders.

[Baitball Blogger]

29. Now I wish I could have read what she said.

That's what discussion groups are all about. Maybe there would not be agreement on all eight points, but something might have actually been helpful.

Thanks for trying, bravenak.

[marble falls]

41. Its posted below and there's a link to the origional article.

[Baitball Blogger]

49. Thank you.

[stonecutter357]

3. K&R!

[yardwork]

4. Link?

I'd like to read the OP. Thanks.

[marble falls]

8. The eight things are valid.Its an angry response to having to hear them over and over and over..

http://www.movietrailerreviews.net/index.php/2015/11/04/editorial/8-things-bernie-sanders-supporters-need-to-stop-saying-to-black-people/

If you're sensitive, scroll down to the eight things and read the 'whys'.

The biggest thing is the way a lot of my fellow Sandernistas speak in a so freakingly patronizing tone.

[yardwork]

10. There's nothing wrong with that OP. Stupid hide.

[marble falls]

13. Totally stupid hide and another reason I believe and understand why others believe Bravenak is ...

targeted to be silenced.

[Baitball Blogger]

55. Agree on all counts.

[betsuni]

9. ...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=788112

[yardwork]

11. Thanks. Childish hide.

[Warpy]

141. Some people blame the mirror for what they see in it.

I can't believe that rated a hide.

[SusanCalvin]

152. Stupid hide.

No doubt alerted and voted on by people who would a) say one or more of the eight things without b) ever once realizing how they soumd.

The things listed are NOT ways to win friends and influence people.

[Scuba]

5. This Bernie supporter thinks it was a bad hide.

[marble falls]

15. The eight terrible things needing a hiding:

“He marched with MLK”
“You just aren’t informed of his record”
“So you would rather support a corporate shill like Hillary Clinton?”
“He’s done more for black people than any other politician?”
“I just don’t get the point of interrupting someone on your side”
“This is hurting your cause”/ “This is turning me off from the whole movement”
“Why don’t they interrupt the real enemy like the GOP?”
“I just don’t understand why…” [followed by one of the phrases above or some other irrelevant statement]

[Gman]

20. His supporters are the reason I could never support Sanders

And I would reluctantly hold my nose while I vote for him in November. They are extremely childish, they lack perspective on pretty much everything, they are completely unfamiliar with issues and parrot what somebody said. They are proud of the fact they think they run DU and brag about having enough votes in any jury to hide a post they don't like.

Sanders' saving grace to me is that I know people supporting him whose opinions I respect. They are much more mature and knowledgeable than most Sanders supporters.

[Laurian]

60. +1000.

Agree!

[Starry Messenger]

79. Seconded.

[randys1]

106. It has been eye opening for me, I can tell you that.

Yes, Bernie the candidate is so different from many of his supporters.

Otherwise, he would be a terrible option.

[alcibiades_mystery]

118. Somebody lost alerting privileges for the day

**********************************


On Tue Nov 10, 2015, 07:23 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

His supporters are the reason I could never support Sanders
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1187&pid=31790

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Divisive, broad-brush attack. Protected groups should be used as safe spaces to discuss issues, not clubhouses to attack other DUers from.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Tue Nov 10, 2015, 07:30 AM, and the Jury voted 0-7 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Not over the top. Just block the poster if you don't want his opinion in the protected space.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: This post is unfair and very, very stupid, but the poster is entitled to the opinion.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Alerter proves the post. Grow up.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: This is an opinion, not an attack. There was no reason to alert.

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the

******************************************

[Gman]

119. In a protected area, no less.

The fact it got alerted on supports my point. I am surprised at the 7-0 decision.

[Cha]

167. OH BooF*******HOOOO! "His supporters are the reason I could never support Sanders" they just

proved the gd point.

[Coolest Ranger]

182. Same here

I was a Bernie supporter in the beginning but I started to noticed that none of my concerns were being address and when you start to address that, they start alerting on your posts. So much for freedom of speech. It is because of them that I no longer support him or plan to vote for him

[Cha]

183. Well they're campaigning in his name.. so it's easy to see why anyone wouldn't want to support BS

bc of those kind of fans, who never did Bernie any favors.

[marble falls]

184. I'd love to believe somebody lost priveledges for a day over that.

[alcibiades_mystery]

187. 7-0 Leave you lose alerting privileges...there's no ifs about it

[lovemydog]

177. 8 more.

Paraphrased.

1. 'If you don't vote for him you'll deserve what you get.'
2. 'You were never a real Sanders supporter. It was obvious to all of us.'
3. 'It's a meme started by the GOP or a PAC.'
4. 'Race baiter.'
5. 'Maybe black voters should do more research.'
6. 'Race nagger.'
7. 'Do black and lgbt people have Stockholm Syndrome?'
8. 'I've never seen anyone say those things.'

[1StrongBlackMan]

190. Re: #5 ...

i've noticed this re-packaged DU:Bernie narrative of "black folks just need to do the 'research' on Bernie, then (we) will come around.", as opposed to "name recognition", or the less delicately put, "too stupid to know what is best for (us)."

Tell me:

Since the Black residents of DU are, arguably, as well informed on the candidates, and inarguably, more informed on matters of politics and political issues, as they relate to the Black community.

And, the Black residents of DU, also, track closely to the Black electorate, writ large ... not so much in support of HRC; but rather, in opposition to Bernie Sanders' candidacy.

So what does that say about DU:Bernie's re-packaged "research" narrative Bernie?

[lovemydog]

208. Excellent response.

As always my friend.

[blackspade]

18. Oh come on, really?

She and I don't agree on this primary stuff, but these hides are idiotic.
This is alert abuse.

[William769]

21. Kick & highly recommended!

[72DejaVu]

22. A vote for Bernie

Is a vote to empower the people who engage in this behavior. That's what bothers me the most about his candidacy. Some of his supporters have already entered the "voters are too stupid to be trusted with this decision" phase. What comes next, the replacement of the voters with the "vanguard party"?

[Jester Messiah]

36. True on either side.

I would rather have Hillary, reluctantly, than any Republican. But it galls me to bend the knee to her while her little fan club grins and winks to each other, to the point where I'm sorely tempted to just stay home. Where does that leave us?

[72DejaVu]

103. I have not seen one post

In which a Hilary supporter says the voters are too stupid or ill informed to make the right choice. If you know of one, I'd like to see it, so I can give them hell.

[Cha]

171. damn Good thing that ain't happening.

[William769]

23. The more they try to bring down Bravenak, the stronger they make her.

They can try to silence her all they want but the truth will win out.

And come sometime in February Bravenak will have the last laugh. You can take that to the bank.

[betsuni]

25. Indeed.

They do not even realize that she is toying with them like a kittycat with a mouse.

[freshwest]

107. Bravenak springs into action when the Underground down here needs her:

Don't make her come downstairs!

[William769]

30. Here is just one example of the her being alert stalked that they keep telling us is not happening.

I wish you would. All of the loudest should. Would be nice.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=788796

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

The poster states that they wish they could compel several DUers into ignoring them.... That means, the poster is intentionally antagonizing people to get them to ignore them.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Tue Nov 10, 2015, 12:35 AM, and the Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: This is IMO a total misinterpretation. What Bravenak seems to be saying is 'If people feel and react like that, then I wish they would just put me on ignore!' rather than any intention to deliberately antagonize them.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: The post says nothing of the kind. The alerter is lying to drive off one of the few remaining African Americans.
Shame on you. If this is what you have to do to promote a candidate, something is very seriously wrong.
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I'm no Bravenak fan, but this alert is a reach. And her post seems mild compared to the post it's responding to.

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

Of course it was not even close to be hidden but several people will alert on anything to see what will stick and sometimes they get lucky because we all know there is a certain faction on DU that will hide anything against certain posters. Two on this jury are perfect examples.

[Cha]

201. "The poster states that they wish they could compel several DUers into ignoring them.... That means,

poster is intentionally antagonizing people to get them to ignore them."

Oh yes alerter.. by all means.. Tell us what that means because we can't read ourselves and know you are completely full of fakery.

No brave isn't being alert stalked by DU's ****** *******.

[Cha]

172. Just like Hillary.. both two

Energizer Bunnies!

[sheshe2]

215. Yes

The more they try to bring down Bravenak, the stronger they make her.

Also, we have her back. She is not alone.

[Coolest Ranger]

24. Then if I may ask you Bernie Supporters

Can we get you all to come and support us African American posters? I got my first hide yesterday but I also alerted on the guy who alerted my post as well. There is an effort here to make people like me and Bravenak stop posting. I hate to rain on you guys but the ones doing this are driving us away from Bernie Sanders. I myself will NOT be voting for him in the Primary in my state. His supporters have drove me away from Bernie because of their attitude and targeting those of us who do not agree with his message is not a way to gain support to your cause.

[Rebkeh]

32. Both sides have been wrong on some things

Both sides have also been right. I still think misunderstanding and miscommunication started this mess and then it got personal. After that, it's (almost) hopeless.

It's too bad too because Bernie needs black voters and black people need Bernie. It should be a win-win.

[Coolest Ranger]

148. Um sorry

I disagree. From my experience it's been coming more from the Sanders side. But to be fair some of his supporters are coming to our defense too. So please don't say its both sides do it.

[Rebkeh]

151. You are free

to disagree with my opinion. I stand by it and will continue to say as much.

[Coolest Ranger]

181. Just like

I am free to place you on ignore because as Cha just said that's all you guys do is go back to that lame argument

[Cha]

174. I hear ya, Coolest Ranger.. that "both sides" proclamation is weak at best. Just bc It's said

does not make it true.

We know better.. that's what is important here.

And, yes some of Bernie's fans see the reality.

[NBachers]

27. I support Bravenak. This is inexcusable. I see Sanders and his supporters in my rear view mirror.

It's too bad- For years, every time I've heard Sanders speak, I've felt like it would be a dream come true to have him as our president.

I'd still choose him over Clinton. But his rat-pack supporters are a group I can't travel with.

I've read the OP, and there is no reason to hide it.

This is pretty much the point that puts me on the Clinton train. I'm leaving the roiling bernistas behind.

The ninth thing I don't want to hear: "If you base your decision on an internet loudmouth, then you have no qualifications to vote anyway." Sorry- the Sanders internet mob has pushed me away from supporting him. Qualifications or not, that's the way I'm rolling now.

[JoePhilly]

28. The perpetually disgruntled know they can't win.

So now more and more of them are throwing tantrums.

[Rebkeh]

33. Really?

Perpetually disgruntled?

Not helping.

[JoePhilly]

37. I've been referring to the perpetually disgruntled here on DU ...

... for about 6 years now.

DU's "perpetually disgruntled" ... aka "The Combustible Hair Club".

They've spent years complaining about Obama, making hair of fire predictions of all manner of evil things they were sure Obama would do (or not do), only to be wrong over and over.

They wanted Obama to encounter a primary challenge in 2012, when they should have been working to build up an "acceptably liberally" candidate for 2016. Some one to actually challenge Hillary.

They've wasted years waiting for their new messiah to arrive, and for a while they thought it was Warren. She declined.

So now ... for those folks ... its Bernie.

And if you don't agree that Bernie is "the One" ... you are the problem.

Don't believe me .... just ask them. Forget that, you don't have to ask. They'll write an OP each and every day to prove my point.

[Rebkeh]

39. No need to get personal

And if all you want is their votes, why do you care about all that?

[JoePhilly]

59. The perpetually disgruntled can vote for whoever they want.

[tonedevil]

137. Yes...

you can.

[Cha]

169. OH NO.. you have that Wrong.. JoePhilly isn't in the "perpetually disgruntled" gjroup.. I know bc

I've been seeing that shite on DU for over 7 years.

[JustAnotherGen]

50. I know you have and it is an apt assessment

I'm still waiting for Obama to abolish social security. That didn't happen . . . right?

And I've made so much money of of Keystone -

Oh wait.

Right?

[JoePhilly]

140. And don't forget the times he ...

... invaded Syria, Egypt, Iran, Libya ... and then made all the Bush tax cuts permanent, while slow walking the end of DADT.

[JustAnotherGen]

144. Heh heh heh

[La Lioness Priyanka]

136. Yup, meanwhile i wonder how many of them organize at local levels, which could actually turn this

country more liberal, instead of waiting for a perfectly liberal president

[JustAnotherGen]

145. I would guess very few

And when you share what you do - they tear it down because it doesn't meet their standards.

[Cha]

170. And, so have I JoePhilly.. thank you! and, I can't see anything about you "getting personal" just

laying out he facts.

[JustAnotherGen]

40. Yes he is helping

Joe Philly has been around a long time.

There are perpetually disgruntled people not only at DU - but in America as well. It's like 'when doves cry'.

[bravenak]

47. Oh, she'll see. The second she has a disagreement with Bernie, then she will see.

[JustAnotherGen]

48. Correction

Bernie Supporter who feels like they need to be Senator Sanders Knight in Shining Armor.

Forgetting in the process that Sanders has been around a long time and is tough as nails. He doesn't need a superman or woman in a cape for crissakes.

[bravenak]

51. Exactly. A captain save a Sanders.

[JustAnotherGen]

78. Oh!

[bravenak]

83. I barked out a loud laugh typing that out!

[JustAnotherGen]

88. I spit coffee on my desk

Laughing at your 4 things post!

Seriously -

If black Millenials don't vote and don't care (at least in Kentucky) then they probably don't even KNOW who MLK is - right?

Like - riiiiiiiiiiiiiggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhht!

[bravenak]

98. They say the darnedest things!!!

[stevil]

114. LOL!!!!

[bravenak]

115. Suga Free!!

[Renew Deal]

54. Agree

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=781962

[bravenak]

58. Lol! That is why I have her on full ignore. So sweet.

http://blackmillennials.com/2015/10/19/4-things-bernie-standers-need-to-stop-saying-to-black-people/

I put this in gdp for them.

[Dr Hobbitstein]

71. Why do you hate Michelle Obama?

And the great liberal Dr. Oz?

[Number23]

135. Oh God... that one. The biggest source of unintentional hilarity this web site has ever seen

The accidental Red Foxx.

[Number23]

130. You say pertually disgruntled, I've been calling them the Perpetually Petulant for years

I have a thing for alliteration.

[JoePhilly]

132. Perfectly put!

[bread_and_roses]

31. This Bernie supporter says no to censorship

This is what you get with censorship. Since the owners and paying users of this site think censorship is a good idea, this is what you get.

I have seen a few of Bravenak's posts - only a few, I'm not here that much - and never saw anything like hate speech or personal attacks. And to hide an article that from a quick scan (I'll read it thoroughly later) has nothing objectionable other than (evidently to some) its POINT OF VIEW is not only unbelievably reprehensible, I think it's racist.

One thing I know for sure. As a white person in America I drank in racism with my first bottle and it's built into my bones. I consider myself a friend and ally of POC in the fight for justice, but if a black person points out something racist in what I say or do (and they have) I had better believe him/her. Because they have lived it, it is their bodies and lives that have been destroyed by white racism, not mine.

I clicked on this from the main page, and just now as I'm ready to send I see that it was posted in the AA group. So, I have no idea if I'm allowed to reply. I seem to remember that I had to get some sort of permission to post in SMW, which I've been participating in for years because it lives in the Economy group. Oh well. I will send it anyway and it goes wherever it goes - or not. I at least want to make the effort to be on record: this old, white, female Bernie supporter thinks that shutting Bravenak down is racist.

[bullwinkle428]

34. Poor decision to hide.

[The Wizard]

38. The admins really have to seize control here

The jury system as it exists is open to trolls and temper tantrums.
Dump the jury system as it exists and let the final decision as to what is offensive be determined by the site's administrators. A jury of agenda driven jerks stifles free thought and the exchange thereof.
Now I know why I'm spending less time here.

[Renew Deal]

52. Bring back the mods

That system while not perfect, worked.

[SusanCalvin]

155. I guess.

Can't say I kept track, but I can name one case where it broke down spectacularly, although the initial mod misconduct could have been mitigated and was instead exacerbated.

[gollygee]

42. She made people uncomfortable!

Heaven forbid!

Sigh. I see she's flagged for review. I hope she's back soon.

[Buzz Clik]

62. She attacks people. Big difference.

[gollygee]

64. The hidden post was not an attack

It was a critique.

[Buzz Clik]

66. Yeah, well, it's hidden, right? So I guess I have to take your word for it.

But, my experience with her tells me that, when it comes to issues of race, if you get in her way, she will take a chunk out of your ass. Maybe people are getting tired of it.

[gollygee]

73. People handle a much greater level of passion in disagreement from others.

There's something about Bravenak that makes people feel more uncomfortable when she disagrees with them. Or maybe it's that people get very uncomfortable around disagreement about racism.

I have seen her get upset, but not more than is normal here. I have certainly never seen her take a chunk out of anyone's ass.

[betsuni]

81. I agree, I have never seen Bravenak take a chunk out of anyone's ass. A nibble at most.

[freshwest]

113. Actually, she's more forgiving than some and wants to have fun, not fight.

Last edited Tue Nov 10, 2015, 03:08 PM - Edit history (1)

Is it too much to ask some that her heartfelt pleas for compassion be heard?

252. Maybe delete and apologize for your 'race nagging' comment. We are dying and in jail.

It is not nagging. We are fighting for our lives and our childrens lives. How is that nagging? It is a demand to be treated fairly and equally and to be seen. Look at me. Notice my race. It affect me everyday. Why not just join our call and not feel nagged, but instead feel called to action?

Black Lives Matter:

This is a CALL TO ACTION TO PROGRESSIVES!!!SOS!!!!SOS!!!

MAYDAY MAYDAY, WE'RE SCARED TO LEAVE OUR HOMES AND THE COPS CAN JUST COME IN AND KILL US, HELP HELP HELP!!

OUR HUSBANDS ARE IN JAIL AND OUR KIDS ARE POOR, WE'RE SCARED!!

To that you say: Race naggers!!! I think that was a terribly unfeeling and mean response. It saddens me.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251467790#post252

I consider that a generous response. I know some would have broken down to spew obscenities at that point.

[SusanCalvin]

156. Huh? It's very easy to look at a hidden post.

There's a place to click for that very thing.

[LanternWaste]

124. I'd make that allegation too if I had nothing else...

I'd make that allegation too if I had nothing of substance.

[randys1]

209. After you have your posts hidden when you speak truth about racism, you tend to

get upset, maybe even angry.

I know I am angry that on a liberal message board I cant discuss the frequent racism happening on the board.

[Lisa D]

43. Jury Results on Bravenak's post

On Tue Nov 10, 2015, 10:59 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

Eight things Bernie Sander's supporters need to stop saying to black people
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251788112

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Calling Bernie a messiah and accusing his supporters of being a cult - this is the same right wing talking point used against Obama in 2008 by Fox news and liberal hating pundits. We don't need to use it against any of our candidates. Please hide.

JURY RESULTS

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Tue Nov 10, 2015, 11:26 AM, and the Jury voted 4-3 to HIDE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Vote to hide chapter 3 of Bravenak's upcoming book
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given

[bravenak]

45. This will help Bernie with black voters.

[SusanCalvin]

158. Number nine, number nine...

Couldn't resist.....
https://m.

Sorry (she said, handing back the guitar).
https:/m.

[n2doc]

53. Another stupid hide

I hope the admins are looking hard at reforming the system as it is clearly being abused.

[Agnosticsherbet]

56. There are times that it appars that any form of criticism

other than humble acceptance of the candidate
Is not tolerated.

There was nothing wrong with 8 things and everything wrong with hiding it.

[Buzz Clik]

61. Meh. You don't want crazy shit to be hidden? Quit saying crazy shit.

I despise the Sanders supporters here -- deeply.

But, Bravenak is intentionally abrasive and will attack fiercely and personally anyone "stupid enough" to stand up to her.

No sympathy for her from me, even though I agree with her on many, many issues.

[Digital Puppy]

75. So because I think your post is stupid I should hit the alert button?

Or maybe every time I see your name in a post I hit Alert.

If you think what she is writing is "Crazy Shit" why don't you have the courage to let it stand and let other people see/argue/discuss??? why do you need to alert stalk on her....and why do so many of your fellow DU'ers feel the need to come into the AA group and TELL us with their holier-than-thou selves and whitesplain to us poor, naive, uniformed folks that we shouldn't stand up for ourselves and just cower in the corner?

YOUR post is offensive and rude telling me (or Bravenak) how to act and think. You want her (and others) in a box so YOU can be comfortable. I call B.S. on you.

No one here is looking for your dumb-ass sympathy.

As I type this, it occurs to me that it's probably too much to ask from folks like you to actually just leave (or leave posts un-hidden), because you don't have the strength or conviction to just say, "okay, I disagree". You'd rather quiet a voice so that YOU can feel more comfortable.

[betsuni]

77. Thank you. I couldn't find the words to respond to this (only two words came to mind).

[Buzz Clik]

87. LOL!

[Buzz Clik]

86. Should you alert? No idea. Will you? No idea. Do I care? Not a bit.

That aspect of the system sucks, and I think we agree on that.

I never alert. Period.

YOUR post is offensive and rude telling me (or Bravenak) how to act and think. You want her (and others) in a box so YOU can be comfortable. I call B.S. on you.

Uh... bullshit. I couldn't give a damn how she thinks. I don't like how she acts when challenged, but she (and you) can do whatever she wants ... as long as she's willing to pay the consequences. Even if I was trying to tell her what to do, what would it accomplish? She does whatever she damn well pleases, as do I, as do you.

No one here is looking for your dumb-ass sympathy.

Meh. You can only speak for yourself. The OP is absolutely looking for sympathy for her.

As I type this, it occurs to me that it's probably too much to ask from folks like you to actually just leave

Uh huh. So, you disagree with me, and I should leave? The raging hypocrisy in that comment is telling...

[betsuni]

90. Oh, you do care what people think, a great deal. And you think people care what you think.

[Buzz Clik]

92. Yeah, ok.

are you ready to utter those two little words?

[betsuni]

94. Buy me a drink first, maybe a dance, then we'll see.

[zappaman]

109. !!!

[Starry Messenger]

95. Group host here-

We support AA posters and allies in this group, which is a protected space. Posters who are not in here to be supportive are asked to please take it outside.

[Buzz Clik]

99. Message received.

I stumbled onto this from the DU front page, and didn't see my error until now.

I'm out.

[Recursion]

161. Please do at least alert on commercial spam if you see it

Like "cheap imitation rolex watches click here."

It's helps MIRT if people do that.

[LanternWaste]

126. Never argue with anyone who themselves to a lower standard than they hold others.

Just and FYI-- avoid arguing with anyone who themselves to a lower standard than they hold others.

[Number23]

138. Well said!!

[marble falls]

185. " You'd rather quiet a voice so that YOU can feel more comfortable." - THAT.

[Digital Puppy]

195. +10000!! n/t

[JustAnotherGen]

97. Please back away from the AfAm Group - Request from Group Host

Respectfully - back away.

Thanks.

[Buzz Clik]

100. Thank you.

Posting in this group was an accident. Sorry for being disruptive in protected space.

[hunter]

63. The thing I most dislike about Bernie Sanders is some of his fans.

They're not disruptors either. They truly consider themselves liberals or progressives, but when they look in the mirror they're simply unable to see how the racism and sexism of U.S. society infuses their words and their actions.

A number of Bernie Sanders supporters are clearly attracted to him because he's an older white Northeastern male who agrees with their opinions on what "should" be done.

Telling people what they "should" and shouldn't do is a sure way to alienate them, especially if you are a white male of the dominate society and the person being talked down to is not.

A jury hide on a post like Bravenak's is exactly that.

[betsuni]

69. I agree. nt

[SusanCalvin]

159. "Telling people what they "should" and shouldn't do is a sure way to alienate them,"

And yet some Bernie supporters keep doing it.

[Dr Hobbitstein]

65. What I've learned on DU over the past month or so:

Last edited Tue Nov 10, 2015, 11:28 AM - Edit history (1)

It's OK to post racist and/or sexist stuff, because reasons.
It's NOT OK to call out racist and/or sexist stuff, because that is offensive.

It's OK for a white person to tell a black person "this is not racist" about something racist.
It's NOT OK for a black person to tell a white person "this is racist" about something racist.

[betsuni]

67. This is correct. nt

[leftofcool]

68. I think you nailed it.

You call racism racism and the post gets hidden. I think the best thing to do is just let people post racist posts and stop calling them on it. It only hurts their candidate anyway.

[gollygee]

74. 100% true.

A true reflection of what seem to be the "rules."

[Starry Messenger]

84. Exactly.

[Digital Puppy]

105. +1

100% accurate.

[Cali_Democrat]

112. Yep. You nailed it. nt

[SusanCalvin]

160. Bingo. nt

[Recursion]

162. "The real racism" is making white folks feel uncomfortable by talking about it

I've been alive long enough to be very familiar with that one.

[Cha]

173. "It's OK to post racist and/or sexist stuff, because reasons. It's NOT OK to call out racist and/or

sexist stuff, because that is offensive.

It's OK for a white person to tell a black person "this is not racist" about something racist.
It's NOT OK for a black person to tell a white person "this is racist" about something racist."

Exactamente. But, there will be blowback.. they think there won't be blowback.. but, there will.

Guaranteed.

Gracias Dr Hobblestein.

[Kelvin Mace]

70. Agreed

That was a bogus hide.

[Starry Messenger]

85. That was a great post and a really bad hide.

I just got on to check my posts for replies, and saw it was all locked up.

We return to bullshit mountain today, strap in.

[betsuni]

91. Need big skis to navigate down huge bullshit mountain.

[Starry Messenger]

120. We're going to have to start passing out sleds.

Just when you think it can't possibly get even worse, it does.

[brush]

101. Agreed! Unacceptable! Unacceptable!

[Cali_Democrat]

111. That was actually hidden?

The truth hurts.

[ismnotwasm]

116. Oh that's just bullshit

That was an excellent article.

[Number23]

139. Couldn't agree more. She told me she got at least three juries in that one thread alone

I was on for one post that didn't even merit a rolled eye let alone a fucking alert. Let the non-alert stalking (according to the admins) continue!!1

Laughing at a dude trying to internet punk me
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=788807

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

This has to stop.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Tue Nov 10, 2015, 04:18 AM, and the Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: My bar for these snipes is getting lower as their frequency mounts. This comment is indeed rude and insensitive. The post to which she replied was polite and did not warrant this response.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Yes, the alert stalking of bravenak does need to stop. And I hope that not only does this alerter lose their privileges for 24 hours with a 0-7 leave it alone but that the admins take a look at who is working overtime to shut up one of the few remaining minority posters on this web site.
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: tired of the sniping and insulting of DUers here - I would hate to see this become like how republicans behave on their site.
Everyone should knock it off. Promote your candidate, don't insult others. sheesh, how hard would that be - well apparently impossible for some people.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Why is this being alerted on?
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

[Kalidurga]

143. That was an unjustifiable hide

and I don't even object to the picture.

I think that there should be a system to send hidden posts to the administration or a group somewhat like a reverse MIRT where they remove hides like this.

[Cha]

147. They can't handle the truth at their own peril.

thank you for this, betsuni~

[betsuni]

165. You're welcome!

[jack_krass]

164. Nothing wrong with the post, but the picture

With then meme comparing Bernie supporters to traveling bible thumpers could be offensive(or maybe an attempt at light heartedness by the OP).

Either way, pretty mild stuff in the bug sceme(compared to other stuff not hisden)

[Cha]

168. Yeah, because facts are too harsh for them. Let them censor everyone who

posts harsh truths. This is going to have major blowback down the road..

I can just sense it

Poste on bean's thread, too.

[sheshe2]

216. I think EarlG should research a few groups here.

I would like a detailed analysis of how many alerts and hides happen in certain groups. The time frame, make it the last 6 months. I suggest they include The HRC Group The AA Group The BOG and then measure it up to The BS Group.

I do believe the results would be telling. I know some say both groups do it, yet as stated above by Number23, it ain't the HRC group that is stalking AA.

With 85% of DU as BS supporters and only 15% HRC and I don't even know the small amount of AA we have left on this board, my guess is the results would be staggering. All my hides have been when posting here, or when I have supported them elsewhere along with our first Black President. A President I might add that has been ridiculed and disrespected beyond belief on a Democratic board.

I know, they were only doing what he said, to hold his feet to the fire, yet he never asked them to manically burn them off. Yes, they said he was worse than Bush, Republican lite a Trojan Horse and Hitler. He always caved, The Caver and Chief and a POS.

[lovemydog]

175. Geez. Really sad. One would think most Sanders supporters

would want to read it. If they take it to heart maybe it would help them build a bigger coalition.

[Thinkingabout]

202. It is about not admitting there are some changes needed to be made in order for a candidate to

be the accepted one.