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Fri Dec 11, 2015, 03:06 AM

Former Cop, Daniel Holtzclaw, Convicted of 18 Counts for Sexual Assaulting Black Women

"Today, on Daniel Holtzclaw's 29th birthday, he learned that he will be spending the rest of his natural life in prison for sexual assaults he committed while on duty as an Oklahoma City police officer.

Daniel Holtzclaw was found guilty of 18 of the 36 counts. The jury recommended a total of 263 years of prison time for Holtzclaw.

Holtzclaw was found guilty of six counts of sexual battery, three counts of lewd exhibition, four counts of forcible oral sodomy, four counts of rape in the first degree, and one count of rape in the second degree."


Oklahoma City PD's statement

"The Oklahoma City Police Department is pleased with the jury's decision regarding the Daniel Holtzclaw trial. It was a long and difficult trial and deliberation process for all involved. It is obvious the jury took their responsibilities very seriously and considered every piece of evidence presented to them."

http://theculture.forharriet.com/2015/12/former-cop-daniel-holtzclaw-convicted.html#axzz3tykPowxi

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Reply Former Cop, Daniel Holtzclaw, Convicted of 18 Counts for Sexual Assaulting Black Women (Original post)
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Response to Kind of Blue (Original post)

Fri Dec 11, 2015, 03:16 AM

1. This was an horrific case. This guy was a steroidal, abusive ass who had no business being a police

officer. You have to wonder how he could be so vicious and lacking in compassion? What a monster!

I saw the video of his sentencing--he's obviously not getting his steroid shots--his neck has gone from the size of his head to this not-quite-pencil thing, but much smaller.





He'll spend the rest of his productive days in protective incarceration.

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Response to MADem (Reply #1)

Fri Dec 11, 2015, 03:34 AM

2. I'd like to feel compassion for him but just can't.

My God, this is the message we need because I don't think anything else will do. I'm pleasantly surprised and hope this will help some of the women deal with their awful, awful experience.

Goodness, his neck certainly has gone done. These PDs must know by now that something is up with steroids and the unabandoned predatory nature of some of these big-ass cops.

When I showed the story last month to my husband, who spent the better part of his childhood and youth in Hawaii. He said Holtzclaw will be convicted and swiftly. I was like, yeah, maybe the sheer number of women. He said not only that but he's Hapa haole, don't you see the Asian in him - I had not but immediately saw and easily confirmed. Why, I asked. He said it will be easier for the all-white jury to distance themselves from him, to make an example of him, as they well should, but they won't be deliberating long.

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Response to Kind of Blue (Reply #2)

Fri Dec 11, 2015, 03:43 AM

3. You would think, being Asian, that he would have been kinder to people who were

in the minority in society. But no, he got some power and it corrupted him.

I don't feel sorry for him, either. I am just surprised that his parents didn't do a better job of bringing him up. Or maybe they did, and he just went wrong, somehow.

I saw the Asian in him straight up. It's what surprised me when I first got a look at him. I suppose I am stereotyping, but he's the first Asian-American cop rapist I've ever read about, so it was a surprise to me to hear about this story.

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Response to MADem (Reply #3)

Fri Dec 11, 2015, 04:17 AM

5. i think he is just a sick scumbag

the type of crimes he was guilty of even the worst raised people would not do unless they were some sick fucks.

and it's sad but i'm sure he was able to become a cop because he was a disgusting fuck. the stereotypical good asian types would be less likely to get the job.

there is another case of some asian cops from the LAPD who threw a women(also asian) from a moving car. the whole thing about why they picked her up is suspicious as they didn't pick up the guys she was with. she says they sexually assaulted her which i believe .

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Response to MADem (Reply #3)

Fri Dec 11, 2015, 05:31 AM

6. Yeah, this is what supremacy does.

I don't doubt that he raped white women, maybe even Asian-American women, Oklahoma - Native American women, forget about it. The world sees me as a black woman but I do honor my measure of Asian heritage. Just saying it's not for me to account for the ethnicity of the prepertrator, just that predators do not want to risk injury, like a schoolyard bully or a white shark. They know the easiest people to target because they think/know they can get away with it and black women were easy pickings.

Have fun being a cop in prison, Holtzclaw.

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Response to Kind of Blue (Reply #2)

Fri Dec 11, 2015, 06:13 AM

10. My husband said something similar

There's a shot because of his ethnicity. They won't see him as one of "us".

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Response to Kind of Blue (Original post)

Fri Dec 11, 2015, 04:09 AM

4. i heard the scumbag was crying

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Response to JI7 (Reply #4)

Fri Dec 11, 2015, 06:06 AM

8. Openly sobbing. You can see the footage at CNN and a few other places. nt

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Response to JI7 (Reply #4)

Fri Dec 11, 2015, 12:20 PM

14. After outright telling the women no one would believe them

because they're black and he's a cop, I have no doubt who he was crying for. He's the victim, don't we see, those women were worthless as his attorney tried to portray. I went from pleasantly surprised last night to shock, awe and joy this morning.

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Response to Kind of Blue (Original post)

Fri Dec 11, 2015, 05:47 AM

7. Hallelujah!

It is great to see justice for these women.

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Response to brer cat (Reply #7)

Fri Dec 11, 2015, 01:05 PM

15. Hallelu, honey and an Amen!

Now for some healing and this verdict I'm hoping will help.

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Response to brer cat (Reply #7)

Wed Dec 16, 2015, 09:05 AM

30. I would say he received justice; but, not the women he hurt ...

 

Justice for the women would look more lIke ...at a minimum, lifetime counseling, paid for by the cop and/or the police department that failed to supervise him; and, possibly, financial recompense.

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Response to Kind of Blue (Original post)

Fri Dec 11, 2015, 06:09 AM

9. Ive been stalking the verdict

For those who want to argue with us to be "kind and not dehumanize him" :

http://www.democraticunderground.com/118732824


For our ally La Lioness Priyanka - how about that?

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #9)

Fri Dec 11, 2015, 11:48 AM

12. Thanks for the link, JAG.

I can read the articles thoroughly now. As usual, I steel myself knowing that the perpertrator would get away with it because pf the usual messages/reasons. Now I read with glee.

Yes, Hallelujah!, indeed.

And a big thank-you to La Lioness Priyanka who kept the trial in the forefront though I couldn't handle it.

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Response to Kind of Blue (Original post)

Fri Dec 11, 2015, 09:38 AM

11. K&R

Disgusting scumbag.

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Response to Starry Messenger (Reply #11)

Fri Dec 11, 2015, 12:17 PM

13. Definitely progress.

Disgusting scumbag officers better take note!
Makes me wonder though if this will give other women the courage to speak out. It only takes one.

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Response to Kind of Blue (Reply #13)

Tue Dec 15, 2015, 09:29 PM

23. So true!

You have to feel for his victims and what they went through to see this small measure of justice. Crossing my fingers for the sentencing...

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Response to Digital Puppy (Reply #23)

Wed Dec 16, 2015, 12:48 AM

25. Yes, indeed, my fingers, eyes, and boobs are crossed

for the sentence to be just, at least 100 years consecutively. Seeing another human being in pain and sobbing like he was, I almost felt sorry for him, but neh. I'm sure those women and the girl were weeping, too, when he laid his filth of all manner on them.

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Response to Kind of Blue (Original post)

Fri Dec 11, 2015, 05:54 PM

16. Wow. I take back what I said a few weeks ago. That I didn't have the slightest hope that these

women would get justice. I am damn glad to have been proven wrong on this.

The jury recommended a total of 263 years of prison time for Holtzclaw.

It's a hell of a start.

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Response to Number23 (Reply #16)

Sat Dec 12, 2015, 03:44 PM

18. "It's a hell of a start."

And as Coolest Ranger says below, I'd be doubly shocked if he does get that sentence.

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Response to Number23 (Reply #16)

Wed Dec 16, 2015, 01:00 AM

26. The judge has the final say in the sentencing. He could get a fine and probation. nt

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Response to Kind of Blue (Original post)

Fri Dec 11, 2015, 06:00 PM

17. If he actually

gets that much time I will shout

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Response to Coolest Ranger (Reply #17)

Sat Dec 12, 2015, 03:53 PM

19. The latest I've read is that the DA says he

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will ask the judge to run Holtzclaw sentence consecutively on every count.
He's under suicide watch after his breakdown during the verdict and I wonder if this will affect the sentencing, being a cop and all.

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Response to Kind of Blue (Reply #19)

Sat Dec 12, 2015, 04:22 PM

20. So how much time will that add up to

I admit i don't understand what consecutively means

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Response to Coolest Ranger (Reply #20)

Sat Dec 12, 2015, 04:35 PM

21. My understanding is that the prisoner

must finish serving one sentence before serving the next conviction sentence. So the DA wants Holtzclaw to remain in prison every single day of those 263 years, and not say, for example, each sentence being 5 years and spending 5 years in jail covers them all at once and he's out in 5 years.

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Response to Kind of Blue (Original post)

Tue Dec 15, 2015, 06:25 PM

22. Showing Pictures of Daniel Holtzclaw Crying is Unfair to His Victims

"Upon hearing his conviction, Holtzclaw faced the jury of his peers and tearfully mouths the words, 'how could you do this?'” As in, 'how can you, an all-white jury, convict a white man of raping those black women?'” Despite the fact that there was irrefutable evidence to support the victim’s claims, including DNA, Holtzclaw and his attorneys sought to vehemently proclaim his innocence by comparing the women he was was accused of assaulting to Tawana Brawley saying that there was an 'agenda'” of sorts and a conspiracy to ruin his image. Holtzclaw’s sister even went so far as to sell 'Free Holtzclaw' t-shirts, and a Facebook page was set up to offer comfort and support to his family while re-victimizing the women he attacked and revisiting old stereotypes about black women and promiscuity.

Smug and and self-assured, Hotlzclaw showed up to court each day with a smile, convinced that he would walk away unscathed, a free man. Why? Because history has shown this to be true. Black women are less likely to report being raped, are less likely to have their rapist convicted, particularly not if that rapist is a white man, and especially not if that rapist is a white cop. As a police officer Holtzclaw knew this and he used this knowledge to not only commit crimes, but to invoke terror upon his victims. He smiled everyday, until Thursday; that’s when he cried.

This idea that black women are 'unrapeable' is centuries old and is a stereotype that persists even today. It discourages many from seeking justice, and it is the very stereotype that Holtzclaw’s attorney played into. Therefore, this rapist’s tears should not be our focus at this time. He does not deserve to cry and he does not deserve this moment. It is a moment that belongs to the victims and their due justice, I think, after all they have gone through we should let them have it."


http://www.forharriet.com/2015/12/showing-pictures-of-daniel-holtzclaw.html#axzz3uQkjm553





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Response to Kind of Blue (Reply #22)

Tue Dec 15, 2015, 09:55 PM

24. He was half Japanese. I don't know what made him think he'd be protected

As for those old "stereotypes about black women and promiscuity," that is just one of those things that makes me scratch my head hard as hell.

I've been a black woman for a while now and have known, between my friends, family and sorority, HUNDREDS of other black women. Some I liked, some I loved, some I couldn't stand. But from what I could tell very, VERY few of them were promiscuous in any way, shape or form.

In fact, most black women I know are some of the prissiest, most restricting women I have ever known. They make men jump through hoops these men didn't even know existed before even giving them the time of day. Maybe it's because most of these black women that I've known were Southern?? I don't know. But this whole "black women are promiscuous" canard was obviously created by someone doing some deep, wishful thinking and had nothing to do with reality.

Tell me black women are demanding, and I'd go "yeah, I can see that." Tell me black women are hard on themselves and everyone around them, and I'd go "yeah, I can see that." But tell me black women are promiscuous? Don't see it, have never seen it and probably never will.

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Response to Number23 (Reply #24)

Wed Dec 16, 2015, 03:03 AM

27. Yeah, he was totally dependent on the anti-black criminal justice

system as protection.

A few years ago, Mr. KoB and I decided instead of date night, lets live it up with a vaca-stay at a nice hotel downtown. He made reservations in his name on his card, he got their first since he was coming from out of town and the airport was close by. I won't even go into what happened at the desk when I showed up but it is along the same line as the stereotyping decribed below. Well, neither of us had much cash on hand. I decide I'll go to my bank's ATM and let him relax. He hails a cab, tells the driver where I'm going, to wait for me and bring me back safely. That's about all the conversation I heard.

Got in the cab. I hadn't uttered a word or even completely settled in when cabbie asks, "Who was that? He gave me a generous tip." Oh, that's cool, I thought. Before I could even answer, "Hey, I got a joke for you." I swear to God, this man started telling a prostitute joke. Then another one and laughing like I was in on the joke somehow. I was clearly not laughing and actually scowling, that made it all the more funny to him, because you know us prostitutes can't take a joke and he knows what I'm all about, meeting some poor sap who's stupid enough to have me run to his bank and steal his money. Cabbie was going to let me have it.

When he started on the 3rd joke I asked him if he was sure he wanted to tell another because I obviously didn't find them funny. And, by the way, why are you telling hooker jokes. Do I look like one? Did my husband tell you I was one when he gave you the generous tip?

"Why didn't you stop me? Why did you let me go on like that?" So now it's my fault His perception is my fault. And the "deception" is also my fault.

I don't know one AA woman or woman from the diaspora who I'd consider promiscuous. I'm a freaking prude when I think about it in comparison to what I've seen on film. A Latina friend and I were talking about Holtzclaw/promiscuity and she's like, we get that all the time, we're fiery, insatiable, and that's all we want...*sigh*

But we're waiting for that sentencing that will say it all.

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Response to Kind of Blue (Reply #27)

Wed Dec 16, 2015, 05:40 AM

29. I would like to say I'm shocked

But I'm not. Sadly, I'm not.

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #29)

Wed Dec 16, 2015, 01:20 PM

31. I know, right?!? We're beyond shock.

It's sad that we're more shocked by the verdict than what Holtzclaw repeatedly perpetrated.

When I relayed the incident to friends and family there was never any shock. Just oh-oh, what did you say and what did he say and then what happened?

But, gurl, I love consequences and we dealt with him promptly and got a reply from the cab company, how they handled the cabbie, and what could they do to make up for the incident. In the spectrum of suffering, this doesn't even compare to what the ladies and the young girl faced with Holtzclaw.

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Response to Kind of Blue (Reply #27)

Wed Dec 16, 2015, 06:32 PM

37. I know I've "joked" before that when we were looking at houses, I'd let my husband go and look at

as many as possible by himself. Because every time I'd show up, the real estate agent would suddenly get a case of the quizzical brow and vapors.

These people don't know one goddamned thing about us, but simply because of the color of our skin we are prostitutes (you) or broke and unable to afford a home (me). Our level of education, income is completely immaterial. We are black women so of course that IMMEDIATELY makes us unable/less than. I swear to God, it's no wonder that so many of us suffer from so many health problems.

I'm a freaking prude when I think about it in comparison to what I've seen on film.

Girl, ain't THAT the truth. I am right there with you on that, though I have to admit that as I'm getting older certain err, umm... "feelings" are becoming more and more common.

Oh dear Lord... you don't think I'm turning into a cougar, do you???? /revision/latest?cb=20140814145805

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Response to Number23 (Reply #24)

Wed Dec 16, 2015, 05:37 AM

28. They - the dominant culture made it up

When they dehumanized our ancestors.
With night time (rape) integration.

And I agree on the prissy. Said someone I married . . . You come to America and want a nice lady who goes to church and makes Sunday dinner - black women need to be in your dating pool. He's pretty liberal when he's not being a knuckle dragging wild boar hunting with bow and arrow mountain man.

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #28)

Wed Dec 16, 2015, 01:27 PM

32. LOL..."a knuckle dragging wild boar hunting

with bow and arrow mountain man."
Luckily, I only have to deal with the massive beards come winter and pretending to be Grizzly Adams with all of the Boy Scouts medals - whatever dude as I roll my eyes

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Response to Kind of Blue (Reply #32)

Wed Dec 16, 2015, 01:29 PM

33. The Gio has started shearing his off

For Costa Rica next week! He normally rocks one that would but Jeremiah Johnson to shame!

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #33)

Wed Dec 16, 2015, 02:29 PM

34. Oh, Lucky! Have fun, JAG!

My niece studied there for a year and loved it!

I've been promised if he can take a good selfie as Santa, I'm free of hirsuite early this year but I don't believe it for one second, just a way to shut me up

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Response to Kind of Blue (Reply #34)

Wed Dec 16, 2015, 02:33 PM

35. That commercial where the kid mistakes the guy in the mall for Santa?

That's my favorite button to push on the wall of buttons called The Gio!

They don't like that!

I'd go with it - go get him a Santa hat and tell him on a go forward basis every time he laughs but isn't going 'ho ho ho' he's gotta put a quarter in the 'ho ho ho' jar.


Every time he walks in the room -

I know him! I know him! That's Santa!!!!!!!


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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #35)

Wed Dec 16, 2015, 02:44 PM

36. Smart! I'll take that advice.

Make some money instead of eye rolling for nothing

Got to find that commercial, might bring some more ideas

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #28)

Wed Dec 16, 2015, 06:38 PM

38. "They - the dominant culture made it up" that's the only thing that makes sense

And no doubt it was to "excuse" the endless rapes and sexual assaults that occurred on our sisters during times when rape against them by a (half) white LEO would have never even been REPORTED let alone gone to trial, let alone been convicted for such.

And as someone who barely cooks and hasn't been to church since her daughters were christened (last one was five years ago), it's a good thing those weren't qualities that my hubby was looking for.

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