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Is the T-Party like the KKK...or not? (Original Post) Jamaal510 Oct 2013 OP
I don't know for certain, but I just visited the KKK official site ZombieHorde Oct 2013 #1
The only way to not have noticed, is not have looked. Half-Century Man Oct 2013 #2
I see a couple of distinctions between them Zambero Oct 2013 #3
Glad you posted this . . . JustAnotherGen Oct 2013 #4
It's the same thing. bravenak Oct 2013 #5
One historical parallel, aside from the obvious racism kwassa Oct 2013 #6
Stormfront seems to think they're not quite there, yet. M0rpheus Oct 2013 #7
how in the hell? heaven05 Oct 2013 #8
$$$ would be my guess. eom Jamaal510 Oct 2013 #9
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2013 #10
There's a slight difference to me... onpatrol98 Dec 2013 #11

ZombieHorde

(29,047 posts)
1. I don't know for certain, but I just visited the KKK official site
Thu Oct 24, 2013, 01:21 AM
Oct 2013

and their rhetoric seems more racist to me in general than the rhetoric of the Tea Party.

Zambero

(8,954 posts)
3. I see a couple of distinctions between them
Thu Oct 24, 2013, 01:34 AM
Oct 2013

1. One wears hoods and burns crosses, the other doesn't
2. One is very open and direct with it's use of racist hate speech, while the other makes use of surrogate economic and social issues in an attempt to disenfranchise non-white citizens, to include the current President of the United States.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
5. It's the same thing.
Thu Oct 24, 2013, 04:48 AM
Oct 2013

Hood on- KKK
Hood off- TEA

KKK needs a large group of white people to run down and lynch a black man.
TEA needs a large group of white people to run down the Black man and Lynch the country.
And that poor black lady is a liar. She saw those signs. And she has my hairstyle, talk about a good reason to flatiron.
I always feel bad for young black people who don't educate themselves about history. She sounds like a female Allan West!
I hope she's no longer teaching children.

kwassa

(23,340 posts)
6. One historical parallel, aside from the obvious racism
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 11:49 PM
Oct 2013

The second version of the Klan was not just directed against African-Americans, but against the changing demographic in the US due to immigration, about 100 years ago. The Tea Party is really all about fears of a changing America that is getting less white every day.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ku_Klux_Klan

In 1915, the second Klan was founded in Atlanta, Georgia. Starting in 1921, it adopted a modern business system of recruiting (which paid most of the initiation fee and costume charges as commissions to the organizers) and grew rapidly nationwide at a time of prosperity. Reflecting the social tensions of urban industrialization and vastly increased immigration, its membership grew most rapidly in cities, and spread out of the South to the Midwest and West. The second KKK preached "One Hundred Percent Americanism" and demanded the purification of politics, calling for strict morality and better enforcement of prohibition. Its official rhetoric focused on the threat of the Catholic Church, using anti-Catholicism and nativism.[4] Its appeal was directed exclusively at white Protestants.[20] Some local groups took part in attacks on private houses and carried out other violent activities. The violent episodes were generally in the South.[21]

The second Klan was a formal fraternal organization, with a national and state structure. At its peak in the mid-1920s, the organization claimed to include about 15% of the nation's eligible population, approximately 4–5 million men. Internal divisions, criminal behavior by leaders, and external opposition brought about a collapse in membership, which had dropped to about 30,000 by 1930. It finally faded away in the 1940s.



and another history

http://www.history.com/topics/ku-klux-klan

In 1915, white Protestant nativists organized a revival of the Ku Klux Klan near Atlanta, Georgia, inspired by their romantic view of the Old South as well as Thomas Dixon's 1905 book "The Clansman" and D.W. Griffith's 1915 film "Birth of a Nation." This second generation of the Klan was not only anti-black but also took a stand against Roman Catholics, Jews, foreigners and organized labor. It was fueled by growing hostility to the surge in immigration that America experienced in the early 20th century along with fears of communist revolution akin to the Bolshevik triumph in Russia in 1917. The organization took as its symbol a burning cross and held rallies, parades and marches around the country. At its peak in the 1920s, Klan membership exceeded 4 million people nationwide.

The Great Depression in the 1930s depleted the Klan's membership ranks, and the organization temporarily disbanded in 1944. The civil rights movement of the 1960s saw a surge of local Klan activity across the South, including the bombings, beatings and shootings of black and white activists. These actions, carried out in secret but apparently the work of local Klansmen, outraged the nation and helped win support for the civil rights cause. In 1965, President Lyndon Johnson delivered a speech publicly condemning the Klan and announcing the arrest of four Klansmen in connection with the murder of a white female civil rights worker in Alabama. The cases of Klan-related violence became more isolated in the decades to come, though fragmented groups became aligned with neo-Nazi or other right-wing extremist organizations from the 1970s onward. In the early 1990s, the Klan was estimated to have between 6,000 and 10,000 active members, mostly in the Deep South.



Klan march at the peak of popularity in 1925 in our nation's capital.



M0rpheus

(885 posts)
7. Stormfront seems to think they're not quite there, yet.
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 07:56 PM
Oct 2013

Is The Tea Party Racist? Ask Some Actual, Out-Of-The Closet Racists

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/24/tea-party-racist_n_4158262.html?utm_hp_ref=black-voices&ir=Black%20Voices

Stormfront -- whose motto is "White Pride World Wide" -- is among the most popular white nationalist (WN, in the community's lexicon) gathering spots online, and discussion of the tea party is a regular part of the chatter. One thread, started in 2011 and still active recently, debates just how racist the tea party is. In the evil, upside-down world of white supremacy, the label of racist is meant as a compliment and, to many Stormfront posters, the tea party earns high marks.

The thread can be read here (the article has a link to stormfront, which I refuse to link - M0), but the debate breaks down into roughly two camps, one arguing that the tea party is a dead end for white nationalists and the other side arguing that many in the tea party already have racist attitudes and present an opportunity for white nationalists to ply their message. The only area of agreement seemed to be that the tea party loses its way in its strong support of Israel, which the neo-Nazi Stormfront crowd does not appreciate.

Grayson has stood by his comparison. "If the hood fits, wear it," he said. "The Tea Party has engaged in relentless racist attacks against our African-American President. For example, when the President visited my home of Orlando, Tea Party protesters shouted 'Kenyan Go Home.' Other examples include Tea Party chants of 'Bye Bye, Blackbird,' and Tea Party posters saying 'Obama’s Plan: White Slavery,' 'Imam Obama Wants to Ban Pork' and 'The Zoo Has An African Lion, and the White House Has a Lyin’ African.'"

Many of the racists participating in the Stormfront discussion say they themselves are either tea party members or have attended multiple tea party meetings. But, to be sure, the tea party has quite literally millions of supporters and many, many of those people are not remotely racist, as the racists on Stormfront readily lament. And even the examples of racist language and signage at tea party rallies pales in comparison to the domestic terrorism carried out by the KKK -- cross-burning, beatings, lynchings, bombings, murder.


I'm not sure it matters one way or the other as they're no friend of mine (that is, other than my one black tea party friend ). Bottom line: I know they're nothing good for me and mine, not to mention this country.
 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
8. how in the hell?
Tue Oct 29, 2013, 01:05 PM
Oct 2013

can this woman look at herself in the mirror everyday? geez I'll never understand their loyalty.

Response to Jamaal510 (Original post)

onpatrol98

(1,989 posts)
11. There's a slight difference to me...
Tue Dec 31, 2013, 04:09 AM
Dec 2013

Without a doubt EVERY SINGLE KLANSMAN hated black people.

I do not believe EVERY SINGLE tea party person hates black people. I think some are just ill informed and voting against their interests. So, maybe I believe every Klansman would probably feel comfortable in the tea party. I don't believe every tea party member would feel comfortable in the Klan.

It's convenient to lump them all together. But, if I'm intellectually honest, I just think some are simply wrong on policy matters. For instance, I believe a lot of the policy differences do have racial undertones. But, I don't believe every policy does. Some are just stupid policies. Are there racists in the tea party. Heck yes! Are all of them racists? No.

If I don't keep this distinction, I would end up giving passes to people who shouldn't get them. For instance, does EVERY Democrat support the needs of the black community. NO! Do more support policies that can be beneficial to the black community than don't. YES!

Not to mention, you have plenty of racists who DON'T identify with the tea party. Racists are everywhere.

If a racist is..."having or showing the belief that a particular race is superior to another." People from all kinds of backgrounds demonstrate that in their behavior every day. Consider the soft bigotry of low expectations. It's not overt...but it's quite damaging. In fact, the overt bigot is easier to stomach than the subtle one that smiles in your face and disregards your concerns at the same time. A bigot is a bigot.

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