In defense of my friend , ISBM, who is now on a forced hiatus

[DemocratSinceBirth]

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http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=7655216





BTW, it's evocative of a scene from Mississippi Burning where Gene Hackman's character tells Willem Dafoe's character his poor racist dad killed his black neighbor's mule because he couldn't bear to see a black man doing better than him.

Most definitely misconstrued, and I am afraid purposefully so.

[gollygee]

1. Yeah people made some assumptions there

He was just sharing a common joke. People see any mention of racism and freak out and assume someone is calling them racist. Bad hide.

[Iliyah]

2. He's on time out?

Geez whiz . . . .

[Wilms]

3. Why was that even alerted on?

I never heard that "joke". But I sure have seen what was described. Sorry that got a hide.

[SCantiGOP]

51. Serious warning

If a check of your profile page is going to show your favorite forum or favorite group as "Hillary Clinton " or "African American," be very careful what you post. Expressing fond feelings for Mom, America or apple pie may get you a 4-3 hide.

[BlueMTexpat]

4. Unprintable expletive!

And the B***S*** alert-stalking continues - directed so overtly at AAs who even remotely use or hint at a certain word, whether open to misconstruction or not. That word is the prerogative of certain people only, it seems.

Irony anyone?

[brer cat]

6. If only we would let white people define

racism, it would be over!!!!1111ONE

[BlueMTexpat]

8. If all AAs could only

see the light, whoosh and racism would be gone.

[Digital Puppy]

18. ^^^ THIS RIGHT HERE ^^^

We have to go to our corner and make sure we don't upset the white folks too much...they can only take so much of us...

[lovemydog]

39. +1

[MADem]

58. I am gonna laugh at that comment!

Because if I don't laugh, I'll cry. Seriously!

[etherealtruth]

5. This has become ridiculous :-(

[SusanCalvin]

32. It's been ridiculous for a long time. nt

[Agschmid]

40. Yup.

[greatauntoftriplets]

55. It certainly has.

[ismnotwasm]

7. Oh for Gods Sakes

Disgusting hide.

[kwassa]

9. I got a hide for a joke that was misunderstood.

I think some of the jurors lack perspective, to say the least.

This should be posted to the administrators.

[SCantiGOP]

49. I had a hide some time back

for using the word "moron" in a thread. That was all. That was when I knew the jury system was being used as a tool of censorship by a certain faction here.

[Number23]

60. You got hidden for a joke, meanwhile someone else accuses me and bravenak of "black splaining"

and it damn sure was NOT a joke, falling seamlessly in line with this person's constant, rage-filled and half-literate attacks on black posters every chance she gets, and a jury let it stand.

[kwassa]

63. And I got attacked for white-splaining by someone

Dubiously and allegedly black, truly crazy stuff.

[brer cat]

10. I am so sick and tired

of the alert stalking that we are told doesn't happen, of the silencing of AA voices..."oh, it was only because they were impolite and didn't play nicely with others"... of thin-skinned alerters and jurors who see only what they want to see and want to make damned sure they only hear what they want to hear. This was a bull-shit hide and I have no doubt there is joyful grave dancing going on in certain quarters. There are times I am embarrassed to be a member of this forum.

"Most definitely misconstrued, and I am afraid purposefully so." +1, brother...you are sadly right.

[dlwickham]

11. Just when you think they can't sink any lower

They go and prove you wrong

[randys1]

12. The hide proves 60% of DU is ......yep

That is what that hide means.

We knew it all along, sounds about right, GOP 99.9%, DNC 60%...

[Number23]

61. Some cretin came flying out of nowhere recently to scream at me that DU was "not racist"

in a thread that was designed to discuss the endless micro-aggressions on this web site towards black posters and the black community as a whole.

I was like "so let me get this straight. In a thread about micro-aggressions and the endless race-based paternalism on this site towards black people, you decide to leap into this thread and scream at a black poster that DU is not racist and thus unintentionally prove the entire point of this OP?"

It was so stupid I swear the OP must have paid them $5 to illustrate the exact counter-productive and race-based paternalism that he was denouncing in his OP. It was beyond ridiculous.

[Starry Messenger]

13. Wtf!

[JustAnotherGen]

14. That is just a dumb

Alert/Hide.

[wildeyed]

15. That was a funny joke.

Just political humor on a political site. I could post that and no one would give a single shit

1SBM

[vdogg]

16. I feel like we're getting culled

They're like the damn wraith. How many members have we lost so far?

[vdogg]

17. I think if the alert system is to be kept

You should be required to give an explanation for your vote. That way the Admin can act as sort of an appeals court and throw out inappropriate hides.

[Jim Lane]

46. I've generally been dubious about attacks on the jury system, but THAT change might be a good idea.

The overall issue (which occurs also with real-world juries) is that, if you use juries to get some kind of community input into the decision-making process, there will be opportunity for prejudices, misunderstandings, inconsistent verdicts, etc. Many of the proposed "reforms" amount to saying "Do something about the juries that disagree with me."

If an explanation were required, some jurors might just write "violates community standards" -- would that count as an explanation? Even if it would, the requirement of writing at least something, however minimal, might push people toward being a little more responsible.

In view of the consequences of a hide, maybe require the explanation only from Hide voters.

I was on the jury for one of 1SBM's recent hides, and it's notable that the only explanations were from two of us in the minority (I was Juror #5):

On Sun Feb 28, 2016, 10:59 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

And DU:white has a NEW hero ...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1365713

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

One of quite a few ugly personal attacks made against johnlucas in this thread. DU deserves a lot better than this.

JURY RESULTS

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sun Feb 28, 2016, 11:11 PM, and the Jury voted 4-3 to HIDE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: He said what he said. So be it. It's up to the other poster to decide if he wants to follow up on it.
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I don't see any personal attacks on anyone in the alerted post, and I'm not going to wade through the whole thread to see if johnlucas has been attacked elsewhere and is therefore entitled to a sympathy hide. Alert the posts with the attacks.

The alerted post has a regrettable and unnecessary nastiness toward "DU:white". As a white DUer, I take the alerted post to mean that people are more likely to praise posts they agree with. That valid point could have been made without an insinuation of a racial element. Nevertheless, the transgression isn't great enough to warrant a hide.

Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

I wonder if requiring the Hide voters to give an explanation might have caused them to stop and think a bit. Perhaps such a requirement would have flipped a vote and prevented a bad hide.

OTOH, I agree with the two oldest hides. "You are a very shallow person" and the reference to "assholery" are personal attacks.

[awoke_in_2003]

19. Another bullshit hide...

this shit is ridiculous.

[Kind of Blue]

20. Now, how on Earth was 1SBM's response different

from the one he responded to?!?!? And that one didn't get a hide? Ridiculous. They're after the messenger. See his name and they lose their minds.

[VulgarPoet]

21. ...Wow.

This is wrong, esp because 1SBM was an immense help to me talking with him. I'd heard that joke a few times as a kid, but didn't really understand it till I was older-- this is horseshit. ESPECIALLY with the previous poster.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

23. Remember the scene in "Mississippi Burning"

Hackman's character thinks it's kind of funny and Dafoe's character is appalled....

I like the scene where Hackman beat the shit out of the racist guy who beat his wife.

[VulgarPoet]

24. I'd never seen "Mississippi Burning", actually

My mother used to quote it all the time though. But just thinking how that must have gone over... Yeah. Something like that.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

25. Great acting.

[VulgarPoet]

28. I'll have to see if I can find a place to grab it, then

[SCantiGOP]

50. Inspiring story also

[DemocratSinceBirth]

53. Dafoe as the idealistic agent, Hackman as the cynical and grizzled one.

[bvf]

56. Dafoe was great as Bobby Peru

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in Wild at Heart. It was all in the teeth, sort of like Turturro in O Brother, Where Art Thou?





See?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

57. He also was the good guy in Platoon.

I am trying to recall his work from memory now.

I am going to check IMDB.

[bvf]

59. Be sure to look for

the Richard Pryor and David Lynch connection while you're at it. Two true American geniuses.

[bvf]

66. Sure you are.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

67. The only movies I remember from memory with Dafoe is Missippi Burning and Platoon.

When I checked IMDB I was reminded he was in Born On The Fourth Of July and now remember the scene where his character and Tom Cruise's character got in a fight in their wheel chairs.

I know he was in a movie with Madonna that I didn't see because I remember my female boss seeing it and saying he was ugly. I never really thought about any actor like that.

BTW, what happened to the Hispanic soldier in Platoon who collected Catholic icon figures to keep him safe. Did he make it?

Also, could you please explain the Richard Pryor reference?

I have seen many Pryor movies including the "autobiographical" JoJo Dancer... I remember a scene where he had a fight with his girlfriend and she said "F--- you and anybody who looks like you." I thought that was a great line.

BTW, as I am sure you know him mom was a prostitute and he was raised around brothels where the clients were mostly white. I can't imagine how that informed his view of the world.

[bvf]

68. Look! Squirrel!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

69. I don't get it...

I thought we were discussing the cinematic careers of Willem Dafoe and Richard Pryor.

[bvf]

70. "I don't get it..."

Quite right.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

71. I thought we were having a civil conversation. My bad.

[bvf]

72. Vide supra.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

73. Latin isn't my forte. Could you please elaborate?

Thank you in advance.

[bvf]

74. No shit.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

75. Why did you follow me to the African American forum to disrespect, denigrate and dehumanize me?

bvf (5,134 posts)

No shit


.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1187&pid=44686

Why did you follow me to the African American forum to disrespect, denigrate and dehumanize me?


For all the faux superiority you assign to yourself it makes you look petty and in possession of a character deficit.

[Number23]

76. Oh, you've got a fan! Hasn't that one had hidden messages before from chasing you around??

It's a shame that some people think that getting the last word is so much more important than looking well.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

78. The answer is yes. He is still at it. I am magnetic. What can I say?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1822311


You need to read the thread in its entirety. What a charmer.

[lovemydog]

22. Administrators, moderators, whoever is reading here: please rescind that right now.

This is just beyond ridiculous.

[blm]

26. I don't think REAL Sanders supporters would pull a stunt like that. RW trolls are running rampant

at DU and even worse than they had in past elections.

I am so sorry - no, I am HORRIFIED that this happened.

[Digital Puppy]

47. RW Trolls with high post counts?

I don't think REAL Sanders supporters would pull a stunt like that. RW trolls are running rampant

I don't think I have your optimism that the issues aren't with long-standing members of DU. We have plenty of evidence that high-post DU'ers have engaged in 'tone def' (at the best) dispositions and there are a bunch of "me too" REC's and replies to racist OPs and sub-threads.

I'll have to disagree with your assertion.

[giftedgirl77]

27. Here's my hide for the day.

23. You make a very valid point & apparently the diehard BernieBros

would prefer that our votes never counted. It's weird how they tout BS's marching with MLK Jr as a reason minorities should jump on the bandwagon yet argue to disenfranchise us at the first opportunity.

A Jury voted 6-1 to hide this post on Thu Mar 3, 2016, 02:01 PM. Reason: This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

The hypocrisy is astronomical & pathetic.

To 1SBM ignore the haters & hopefully this madness will simmer down.

[lovemydog]

38. They can dictate to you how you 'should' perceive things

and then when you reply with how you actually perceive them, those same posters can alert stalk you and vote to hide your post.

[VulgarPoet]

45. Exactly why I left that group.

Can't deal with the Jonestown-esque groupthink. I'm on the verge of just trashing both groups, Bernie's and Hillary's, and watching at this point since both my home of record and the state I'm stationed in have had their primaries.

[Number23]

62. GG, that was one HELL of a point you raised. No wonder these special folks raced so fast to hide it

It's weird how they tout BS's marching with MLK Jr as a reason minorities should jump on the bandwagon yet argue to disenfranchise us at the first opportunity.

That is post of the freaking week right there.

[3catwoman3]

29. I have only been a member here since May 2012.

Did some reading before joining. One of the things that attracted me to DU was how freely people were able to express themselves, quite colorfully at times, and in ways that made my eyes pop open on many occasions, often in admiration and sometimes in astonishment.

What's with all the special snowflakes lately? If something annoys me here, I just move on by.

The requests for jury service have become so frequent that when I get one, my first thought is, "Jeez, another one?"

I don't recall ever having alerted on anything, and have had only one post hidden. I referred to Ann Coulter as "a cold-hearted "rhymes-with-witch," and was shocked at the hide as I was completely unaware that this word is apparently a huge no-no here on DU. I haven't used it again, altho I do stand by my opinion of Ms. Coulter.

[blackspade]

30. Oh come on.

That was a bullshit alert.
I think the jury was huffing paint on that one....

[steve2470]

31. Another horrible hide, Example # 1,456,762 of why the jury system is broken!!!! nt

[lovemydog]

33. My comment over on that thread where the post was hidden:

^^^^ Obscenely bullshit hide!!!

What the fuck is wrong with this place?

You hide a joke from a person who is named 1 Strong Black Man?

A well-respected poster here at DU for years. A true friend and mentor to many posters here, black and white, straight and gay, male and female.

To give him his fifth bullshit hide. This was a deliberate declaration of racist trolling.

Whoever alerted on and voted to hide this post should be banned immediately.

Racist trolls: fuck you!

This is my opinion. I am furious.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=7655216

[EffieBlack]

34. This is jacked up

[lovemydog]

35. seriously

[emulatorloo]

36. Agreed. Willful Misinterpretation. An obnoxious hide, they just want our friend to stfu

[GusBob]

37. Unbelievable. Just wow.

Shake my damn head

Complete bullshit

[Digital Puppy]

41. Did you see the D-bag who said 'Fantastic Hide' ??

WTF????

[joshcryer]

42. It's going to be a rough couple of weeks.

The best defenders of reason are getting repeatedly silenced while callout threads bashing fellow DUers get hundreds of recs even while the person that posted it gets banned by MIRT.

[Cha]

43. Not again.. and for what?! Nothing.

Thank you for this, DSB.

[Uponthegears]

44. You know we may not support

the same candidate, but I still say this is way past ridiculous.

How on God's Green Earth does this even get an alert, much less a hide?

I am teetering on the edge of an "un-forced" hiatus.

I happen to feel the mock-indignation that is being used to bash one candidate or the other is distracting (and destructive), but that is something I can address, and/or ignore, when it happens.

But claiming it's authentic and using it to silence our voices . . . that's the same s*** we've dealt with our whole lives.

Thanks for the post DSB, even if I am ONCE AGAIN saddened.

[SCantiGOP]

48. Another victim of the manipulated jury system

I was on the thread were he got his 5th hide; it was absolutely absurd.

He needs to have his suspension lifted.

[Agnosticsherbet]

52. When people seek a reason to be outraged,

They will find outrage in innocence.
I support 1SBM.

[KeepItReal]

54. Yeah that was weak to alert on & vote to hide 1SBM post

It may have been indelicate as a post (to some who don't acknowledge that racism can be enhanced by jealousy), but 1SBM was not malicious.

[yardwork]

64. Bullying, stalking, petty behavior. Makes me angry.

[betsuni]

65. I miss 1SBM. (nt)

[lovemydog]

77. Great news 1SBM - you're free to post at DU NOW!

They've lifted the 'five hides and one can't post' rule.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10135098

I look forward to communicating more with you whenever you wish. Hope you're doing well my friend.

To DSB and everyone who defended our dear friend, a big thank you.