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Thu Apr 7, 2016, 11:24 PM

 

I hold myself up to the judgment of this group regarding this accusation

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511677501#post20

I hated the idea of "No Snitching" and I still do. I think its a terrible idea. But I submit myself to the judgment of this group.

Do you think I am racist for having that opinion?

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stevenleser Apr 2016 OP
betsuni Apr 2016 #1
stevenleser Apr 2016 #3
radical noodle Apr 2016 #2
imari362 Apr 2016 #4
steve2470 Apr 2016 #5
Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #6
1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #7

Response to stevenleser (Original post)

Thu Apr 7, 2016, 11:59 PM

1. Okay, is this the same problem with people not understanding what a generalization is?

Or pretending to? It's impossible to discuss human behavior without it. More alarums and excursions about nothing.

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Response to betsuni (Reply #1)

Fri Apr 8, 2016, 12:39 AM

3. I think that's pretty much it. I thought the article was fair whatever folks think of the premise.

 

I think some white folks who don't really understand the black community's complex relationship with law enforcement assume that it's all a one sided opinion. It's not.

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Response to stevenleser (Original post)

Fri Apr 8, 2016, 12:08 AM

2. My husband had a student in his college writing class

Someone she and her family knew came in their home and murdered her brother and shot her mother while she watched as a child. As the scene unfolded, she was taken across the street to a neighbor's house. They warned her not to tell the police who did it. There seemed to have been two reasons for this. One appeared to have been a certain loyalty to someone in the community. The other was that they were afraid of retaliation if she identified them. She wrote about this event in an essay for the class, including the part about being afraid to tell the police and how it tore her apart. She was only about 8 years old at the time, and it was heart breaking. Sometimes there are no easy choices.

White folks cover up for their criminals all the time but in a different way. Look at the Affluenza kid in Texas. Not only did his parents defend him after he killed what... 4 people? In addition the judge gave him a pass and sentenced him to probation. We all know that if he had been a black kid that he would have been in jail for life and he would be lucky not to be on death row.

I'm not speaking for this group at all, since I am new here and I don't feel qualified to do so. But while we might agree that "no snitching" may be the wrong approach for law enforcement purposes, I think one must ask if they have good reasons for it and how often it really happens.

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Response to stevenleser (Original post)

Fri Apr 8, 2016, 02:58 AM

5. my 2 pennies

I'm a white guy, so I'm not who you're seeking feedback from. I do, however, have some experience with the "no snitching" rule.

I used to work in a state prison. The code amongst prisoners is "no snitching". Why ? For pure survival reasons. If a prisoner were to go to the correctional officers and "snitch" on another prisoner, fairly soon the snitch would get "stitches". The other reason is that the prisoners hated the prison authority, along with some of the correctional officers. They had some respect and even liking for the officers who tried hard to be fair and not overbearing. However, there STILL was no snitching even to those officers.

Unfortunately, most of law enforcement have made themselves the enemy of the PoC community. So, there might be a dynamic in play of the community protecting their own, if that rule does exist.

For the record: In the state prison, the no snitching rule was across all racial and ethnic lines. Also, I have absolutely no idea if there is a "no snitching" rule in play in the PoC community. To be fair, in the white community in some circles there is a no snitching rule. I've seen it in action in my younger days. I no longer associate with those people.

tl;dr: No, I don't think you're racist. You're to be admired for regularly going into the bellies of the RW beasts and doing battle.

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Response to stevenleser (Original post)

Fri Apr 8, 2016, 11:32 AM

6. Depends on your motives. If Bill O'Reilly wrote that, knowing what a racist

he is, I would know his motives are not to help the African American community or whoever. And I would see it as very racist.

Knowing what little I know of you, what little I have read on just this message board, I dont think you could be more different from O'Reilly or assholes like him.

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Response to stevenleser (Original post)

Fri Apr 8, 2016, 01:14 PM

7. No ... I do not think you are racist for holding that opinion ...

 

I do, however, also, think in forming your opinion you lack an understanding on how and why the "code" came about ... It was never a matter of loyalty; but rather, a distrust of law enforcement.

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