Hillary Clinton has basically won the nomination - and a big reason for that is Black voters

[YoungDemCA]

As a big Hillary supporter, I have to give a big shout out to my Black brothers and sisters. Thank you!

[brush]

1. Yep! You can't win the Dem nomination without the black vote and votes of other POCs

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Bernie's people ignore us until it was too late. Too bad, so sad.

[awoke_in_2003]

3. I think you mean "can't"

Thankfully this primary is near an end. Now, to smash Trump or Cruz.

[brush]

4. You're right. Thanks for catching my typo.

[awoke_in_2003]

37. Thanks for not thinking

I was trying to be a self appointed grammar cop Regardless the winner, and it looks like it will be HRC, the real enemy is the pukes. We cannot afford to have them pick at least the next two SC justices. If they do, a lot of people are going to be affected.

[brush]

38. No, no. I was in the publishing business and always appreciate typo catches.

And having a Democratic president picking the next SCOTUS justices if of utmost importance.

[awoke_in_2003]

40. Some people take it badly when corrected

and as powerful as smart phones are, it is incredibly easy to make an error. I have contemplated disabling autocorrect on more than one occasion

[fasttense]

6. Yeah because walking with MLK really means nothing at all.

Enjoy your President Trump because I am done voting for RepubliCON lite Dems.

[brush]

9. He never followed up on that. He retreated to Vermont for what 40, some years . . .

where there are hardly any POCs so he never learned how to relate to our issues and thus he drew few black and POC voters.

Whose fault would you call that, especially ignoring all the black voters by not contesting the southern primaries?

And that misogynist racist Trump will lose spectacularly. Check out this link of him insulting women and tell me that guy is going to get women voters, the largest voting block in the country. Scroll down 5 or 6 posts to the video:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511849223

[fasttense]

12. Yup, you just made my point.

There was a Reverand who marched with MLK that died today. His church certainly thought walking with MLK meant something.

But all you Hillary supporters have no respect for those of us who were actually there. It was no easy choice to support MLK but we did. And of course that means we don't support civil rights and equality for all.

The GOP has been prepared to run against Hillary for decades. Enjoy your president Trump.

[brush]

13. I see you didn't even bother watching the video

Sour grapes is not attractive.

[JustAnotherGen]

18. Oh brush

Don't you know - they marched and everything is just FINE now.

There are no bigots and racists in America EXCEPT for The Clintons. Every other white person (including Trump) to these people is fine . . . it's just those EVIL Clintons.

I'm debating if I'm just going to block that guy from the group - or not. I' don't have need or time for this melodramatic nonsense.

[brush]

23. I know right. Sometimes I can help but go back at them though.

How are you? Haven't seen your posts for a while.

[awoke_in_2003]

43. Seems like that one isn't getting their way

so they have no problem helping Trump or Cruz in office, either actively or by sitting out.

[JustAnotherGen]

44. It comes down to the number of voters

Not the percentages and the delegates. If you get a chance look at just the numbers of Democratics that voted last night and in NY.

Behind all the brouhaha over Senator Sanders and all the flimsy glitz of Trump - people are coming out for HRC. She doesn't need IndieDemTeaPublicans to win.

[awoke_in_2003]

45. Oh, I have no doubt she will win...

but it irks me when some supposed democrats here say they are not going to vote because their choice didn't win. If the election is close, voting machine fraud is much easier to pull off. Hell, neither my first (Edwards, damn his inability to keep it zipped) nor second choices in 08 won, but I still went down and happily voted for Obama. The only reason he wasn't my first choice is I thought he needed more experience. Boy, was I wrong. I may disagree with him on a few things, but he knows what the heck he is doing.

[JustAnotherGen]

49. I was an Edwards supporter too!

I had no problem driving people to the polls for Obama!

[wildeyed]

50. You have the patience of a saint.

If it was me,

On the plus side, they will probably go away soon on their own, once reality truly sets in.

[steve2470]

91. Most of these people are trolls, I'm convinced

God golly Miss Molly, I'm a southern WHITE dude, and even I can see the OTT bullshit about Secretary Clinton and President Clinton is just that, BULLSHIT.

If I was Skinner, I'd be cleaning house tout de suite, regardless of the fact that the DNC Convention is not for a few more months. This place has become a fucking troll playground.

[JustAnotherGen]

92. You just gotta stay cool

For me DU has become an oddity shop!

[gwheezie]

55. So if I protested and marched in the early 60's and

Support Hillary how the heck did that happen since you believe anyone in the movement would support Bernie. And I might have ya beat, in the 60's I was actually a socialist.

[Number23]

61. Do you want some cheese with that whine? Or a cookie for your grand deeds of being a

moderately decent human being?

But all you Hillary supporters have no respect for those of us who were actually there. It was no easy choice to support MLK but we did. And of course that means we don't support civil rights and equality for all.

Easily the most moronic thing I've seen on DU all week.

[pnwmom]

110. We don't have respect for a person who participate in a walk 50 yrs ago and thought he was done.

Where was he, to take just one example, after Hurricane Katrina? Hillary went down to Louisiana and Texas to meet with survivors, introduced two bills into Congress to set up a commission to figure out what went wrong -- and when those bills failed, she joined a coalition of southern ministers who set up their own Katrina commission.

I bet you didn't know about that commission. But Hillary did, and she worked with them to set it up and joined the speakers there.

This is just one example of how she stayed engaged with African Americans and others in the south even after she left for D.C. and New York. Her loyalty never wavered, and they appreciated that.

[thucythucy]

176. Thank you for this information

which is indeed new to me.

I was involved (peripherally) with Katrina relief, focusing on the needs of people with disabilities in the afflicted area. I found the lack of preparation and basic understanding by the Bush administration of what was happening and what was needed simply appalling. I can't say more without blowing my anonymity, but my encounter with the Bushies then was a very clear lesson in how important elections are, and how--when we lose elections--it's the most vulnerable and marginalized among us who suffer the most. This incredible screw-up would never have happened under a Clinton or Gore administration.

Just an aside: I find your posts in general to be informative--at least the ones I've seen--and always look for your tag in forums and threads where I do my lurking.

Best wishes.

[1StrongBlackMan]

29. Okay ... that was the (about) 4 years ...

before he took his 50 year vacation.

[awoke_in_2003]

42. You don't get your way

so you're going to take your ball and go home? I guess that is a big "fuck you"' to a lot of people who can finally get married legally. A big FU to women who want to be able to make choices over the control of their bodies. A big FU to people who want to vote, and are having that right taken away by the gutting of the Voting Rights Act. And that is just the start. Fuck all of these people, because you didn't get your way. I suppose you will be fine, though, if you are a middle class white male.

[Kind of Blue]

46. They're steeped in a

culture of punishment for PoC and women. It's ever present and automatic.

[mcar]

48. Well said!

[fleabiscuit]

60. +1 I'm going to steal that. n/t

[awoke_in_2003]

65. I said nothing original

Feel free to use my words, no theft involved

[sheshe2]

186. Greatness here!

He walked with MLK. He should not have been walking he should have been running! He took the ball. Played one game and dropped it.

[Perseus]

7. "Bernie's people ignore us until it was too late. Too bad, so sad."

When did Bernie ignore the black people? When his was marching with MLK? or was it when he fought for civil rights and equality for all?

Were you expecting a personal call from Bernie to feel you were not being ignored?

What a lame thing to say, it sounds like you didn't bother to look at the history of both candidates to learn who supported the black community with action and who with only rhetoric.

I find Spike Lee one of the most intelligent black people in the nation, is it coincidence he supports Bernie Sanders?

It drives me nuts when I hear stuff like that, ignorance is not bliss. Many of those who have not supported Sanders will be complaining two years from now, and more four years from now. All it takes is to read the history to get the facts, don't rely on TV "personalities" to inform you because they won't.

"Too bad, so sad" is what you are going to say when you find out that nothing changes for anyone, and the the status quo stays intact.

[brush]

10. He marched in the 60s then retreated to Vermont. He never followed up on it

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and never learned about our issues as there are hardly any blacks and POCs in Vermont.

It's not our fault his campaign didn't know how to connect to black voters. Ignoring the southern primaries by saying they "distort reality" didn't help.

If he had contested those primaries hard and won a few he'd probably be ahead right now.

His campaign made a huge miscalculation and it cost them.

[LiberalFighter]

26. That is the point I have made too.

After college he didn't stay in Chicago to fight for civil rights. He didn't go back to New York where he could had been involved in civil rights. Instead, he went to Vermont. Apparently, he had wanted to live in Vermont since he was about 15 years old.

[1StrongBlackMan]

31. Well ... I suspect that he left Chicago (SNCC), shortly after ...

he became "frustrated" (his words) with their insistence on focusing their efforts on fighting racial injustice.

[brush]

34. What else did he think SNCC was supposed to be fighting?

Income inequality? That of course has merit but at the time . . .

[1StrongBlackMan]

35. Well ... that is the rest of that "frustration" statement ...

they, then as now, should have been fight the REAL problem, economic justice.

[1StrongBlackMan]

30. Perhaps, we just missed all those Bernie led, Vermont Civil Rights protest marches.

[lunamagica]

41. "I find Spike Lee one of the most intelligent black people in the nation, is it coincidence

he supports Bernie Sanders?"

[1StrongBlackMan]

71. I know, huh? I wonder ...

Does that poster find Spike to be the most intelligent black people in the nation because Spike supports Bernie; or, is it independent of that support ... like, because he, once, made good movies?

[ladjf]

52. Excellent post that needed to be said.

[Number23]

62. You know how I said upthread another post was easily the moronic thing I've seen on DU for a minute?

I find Spike Lee one of the most intelligent black people in the nation, is it coincidence he supports Bernie Sanders?

Thank you for shattering the 9 seconds that other post was the dumbest thing I'd read here in a while.

[Starry Messenger]

66. I love your posts.

[SidDithers]

157. +1...

Number23 is all-around awesome.



Sid

[gollygee]

68. Well I'm sure he's met every single black person in America and has administered some kind of

Intelligence test. He has to be an authority on who the smart black People are. Someone has to be the authority of who is intelligent, and certainly that person would be a white man.

It feels like the statement in that post assumes there's a small group of people to select from when choosing a smart black person, and also that white people are smartest and would be the ones to recognize and appreciate who the few smart black people are.

[1StrongBlackMan]

72. LOL ... And, so many of them keep telling me that ...

I have no "authority to speak for the Black community" because the views I advance, while consistent with the mainstream of the Black community, don't represent their individual views.

The outlier gets to dictate the rules. Yep ... that's consistent with the mindset of some, since April 2015 ... well, actually, January 2009.

[gollygee]

79. You must not pass the "smart black people" test, despite your education and career

Although I suspect the "smart black people" test is whether that person agrees with white people on whatever specific issue. It does make it easier to administer the test without ever meeting someone.

[1StrongBlackMan]

80. LOL. But I would say ...

I suspect the "smart black people" test is whether that person agrees with THATwhite peRSON on whatever specific issue.

I find myself agree with white people that disagree with other white people ... quite often.

[gollygee]

81. Good correction! N/t

[lovemydog]

84. roflmao

[JustAnotherGen]

94. You make me happy!

[Cha]

170. His wife, Tonya Lewis Lee, is just as smart.. Oh, I think President Obama is The most intelligent

person in the world. Also the coolest

Tonya Lewis Lee ??@TLewisLee
Just to be clear, while my husband @SpikeLee supports Bernie Sanders @HillaryClinton is my candidate! We need Hillary to be the next POTUS!
5:35 AM - 23 Feb 2016
945 945 Retweets 1,436 1,436 likes

http://theobamadiary.com/2016/02/23/chat-away-760/#comments


Tonya Lewis Lee
Producer | Writer | Actress
Tonya Lewis Lee was born on March 15, 1966 in the USA. She is a producer and writer, known for The Watsons Go to Birmingham (2013), Mistress of Modernism and She's All That. She has been married to Spike Lee since October 2, 1993. They have two children. See full bio »

Born: March 15, 1966 in USA

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1416174/


Spike Lee's Wife's Endorsement For President Is Every Bit As Important To Note As Her Husband's

snip//

But unlike Spike, Tonya isn't feeling the Bern.

Her husband might have the more high-profile career, but Tonya Lee is a powerhouse and political insider in her own right. A native of New York City, she graduated from Sarah Lawrence College and the University of Virginia School of Law before working in a prestigious Washington, D.C. law firm. In 1992, she met her husband at the Congressional Black Caucus Weekend, and the couple has been together ever since. Tonya later started her own production company, and helped produce the award-winning documentary I Sit Where I Want: The Legacy of Brown v. Board of Education.

http://www.bustle.com/articles/143716-spike-lees-wifes-endorsement-for-president-is-every-bit-as-important-to-note-as-her-husbands



Tonya Lewis Lee has it goin' on!

[font color=blue]Hillary's Group~Mahalo[/font]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/110754811

[72DejaVu]

78. "I find Spike Lee one of the most intelligent black people"

Why not just say he's a credit to his race?

[Squinch]

130. And they ignored POC in spite of the best efforts of POC to let them know the Sanders campaign

was making grave mistakes AT THE TIME they were making those mistakes.

I remember reading here and elsewhere where POC were outlining exactly what the campaign was doing wrong and exactly how they could turn it around. They were saying that at the time that the Sanders campaign COULD have turned it around.

Instead, the response I saw from a lot of Sanders supporters was a lot of white splaining about how the POC were wrong about how they felt and how they were being treated, and more white splaining about how POC were low information, not very smart, deluded.

The Sanders campaign has been hoisted on its own petard.

[1StrongBlackMan]

133. But mostly ...

Instead, the response I saw from a lot of Sanders supporters was a lot of white splaining about how the POC were wrong about how they felt and how they were being treated, and more white splaining about how POC were low information, not very smart, deluded.

But mostly, a lot of reminders of what Bernie did 50 years ago.

[Squinch]

142. Yes. Which wasn't what they said it was, and which wasn't substantively different from what

a large percentage of college students were doing at that time.

[1StrongBlackMan]

150. I don't doubt his commitment ...

at the time; but, the 40+ year vacation ... well ...

[Squinch]

152. I do. It was just what was done at the time. My brother was one of those

college protesters. Today he's a big Limbaugh fan. It was as much due to the fads of the time as any true commitment that a lot of those guys protested.

[brush]

165. Sort of like these rallies of Sanders now.

And then a lot of them don't vote.

And no voter registration going on at them — WTH is up with that?

[Squinch]

179. Exactly!!!!

[Jackie Wilson Said]

2. I am guilty of admitting I am curious how Bernie will handle this and how will Hillary

If they are both smart they can maximize her GE chances while adopting some of Bernie's agenda.

[1StrongBlackMan]

32. I suspect the National Democratic Platform will adopt some planks ...

from Bernie and O'Malley's campaigns ... as it should, that's the other function of the convention delegates.

[bl968]

5. We disagree

You say black voters, but I say uninformed voters White, Black, Asian, Latino, men, women this is not a race or gender thing. Because anyone who has looked at her actual record and history on African American and other issues would have run away from her as fast as they could.

She might win the nomination, but she will lose the election because just as you cannot win the nomination without black voters, you cannot win the General Election without Bernie Supporters, Millennials, independents, and all the rest which will not come out and support Hillary Clinton. So enjoy your gloat now, it will turn to ashes in your mouth when president Trump or Cruz is sworn in after stomping on Clinton in the election.

[Perseus]

8. 1/2 you are right and 1/2 I hope you are wrong

If Bernie doesn't win the nomination and Hillary does then to have Bernie supporters not support her would be criminal, because the alternative will screw the US big time, regardless of if it is Trump or Cruz, they are almost equally bad, I find Cruz worst. If you think GW Bush was bad and screwed the USA and the World, you have not seen anything yet, let Trump or Cruz take over and you will wish for GW Bush to come back.

If Bernie doesn't win the nomination, any democrat who does not support the nominee will be supporting the republican candidate, by default. I hope Bernie supporters are not that stupid to not understand that simple fact, but then again, american voters are stupid.

[bl968]

14. Sadly I am not.

The DNC and Clinton could have had a fair and open contest, could have protested the biased media coverage etc. Instead they attempt to limit the debate by limiting the number of debates and scheduling them for the times the least people would be likely to watch them. Then you have the blocking of the Sanders campaign from the voter database, and the blocking of Tim Casnova from the same databases for opposing DWS. The blatant voter suppression including limiting the number of polling places, and the mysterious dropping of overwhelmingly Sanders supporters party registrations. You had blatant Clinton committed surrogates running the primary process in just about every state.

Clinton supporters have been some of the nastiest political partisans who sealed the deal on Bernie or Bust for me, and a lot of other Bernie Supporters, inducing the recent use of paid trolls to attack Pro Sanders social media groups by flooding them with with pornography including child pornography. Then reporting them to get them taken down.

I am determined to punish the DNC and those who supported Clinton and the best way to do it is to deny them my vote, and financial support. We survived Bush, we will survive Trump or Cruz. I have held my nose and voted exclusively democratic in at number of elections and not just presidential races, no more.

From this election going forward to get my vote a candidate must either be totally new to the political process, or have an extensive record documenting their commitment to progressive principles, including being anti-war, and supporting robust measures to balance the scales in the land of opportunity.

Hillary Clinton is only slightly to the left of Trump and Cruz, when you look at economic and a host of other issues there is absolutely no difference.

America deserves what it gets, they could have supported the one candidate who would have made a real difference for all Americans, African Americans included.

[gollygee]

28. YOU survived Bush

But not everyone did.

And I voted for Bernie, who is obviously furthest to the left, but Hillary is far to the left of Trump and certainly Cruz.

[Tarheel_Dem]

88. Your privilege is showing. By the way, Hillary can win without the Occupy bunch. Obama did. n/t

[fasttense]

15. Nope ain't voting for Hillary, ain't ever going to happen

Yes, I do not care if it means a president Trump. I'm tired of being taken for granted by RepubliCON lite Democrats. I'm tired of them thinking I'll vote for anything they throw up against the wall because I have no where else to go.

Trump is actually more liberal in certain areas than Hillary is. But you voted for her you got her. You just don't have me voting for her.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

54. Disgusting

[lovemydog]

85. Damn, less than 9 seconds

and yet another jaw-droppingly ignorant post.

[awoke_in_2003]

39. I don't think most of us are stupid

At least I hope so. My sister recently was given the right to get married. There is an all out war on women's reproductive rights. The Voting Rights Act has been gutted, and the gutting must be challenged. A republican president naming the next 2 or 3 SC justices would be a nightmare.

[italiangirl]

11. Excellent diagnosis Dr. bl968. lol

You did a great job in diagnosing the issue. The term is low-information voters.. People vote on a evening news sound-bite. They are too busy to be informed and have no idea of the negative consequences of their vote. They vote like the wind blows. Shame

[JustAnotherGen]

22. Group Host - Blocked User

FOR GROUP HOSTS - MY REASONING FOR THIS BLOCK -

Low Information Attack - on black Voters
11. Excellent diagnosis Dr. bl968. lol

You did a great job in diagnosing the issue. The term is low-information voters.. People vote on a evening news sound-bite. They are too busy to be informed and have no idea of the negative consequences of their vote. They vote like the wind blows. Shame

This falls under stockholm syndrome, low info, etc. etc.

[Cha]

172. That poster could not get anymore insulting or Wrong if she tried.. or maybe she could but I'm

glad she don't get anymore chances.

Thank you, Gen~

[JustAnotherGen]

19. I don't see the OP Gloating - Group Host

Change your tone or exit the Group.

Thanks and have a good day.

[1StrongBlackMan]

33. This very well informed Black voter, disagrees.

[wildeyed]

51. You can win the GE without them, actually.

It's a math thing. It would still be hard, but demographics are changing. It can be done. And most of those groups you specify WILL turnout for her. You're just salty.

[brush]

166. We'll see won't we.

[Cha]

171. Oh yes Hillary will win the GE.

[Pharaoh]

16. HRC and DWS

Basically told the liberal base of this party, to go fuck themselves during this campaign. Now they will start to woo us. Good luck with your president Dump!

[YoungDemCA]

17. I would think you would know that Black voters are quite liberal and a key part of our party's base

That is, if you knew any Black voters.

[JustAnotherGen]

21. I've asked him to leave the group

[Kind of Blue]

25. Thanks, JAG.

[Pharaoh]

27. i do

Sorry, didn't know it was a private group.

[LanternWaste]

184. Ironic-- your excuse seems rather indicative of a 'low information voter.'

"didn't know it was a private group..."

Ironic-- your excuse seems rather indicative of a 'low information voter.'

[wildeyed]

53. Black voters, as a demographic, are more liberal

than whites. Majority of whites vote for the GOP They forget this fact.....

[JustAnotherGen]

20. This is the AfAm Group

We won't enjoy Trump - his followers will massacre us the day after the election.


Now please exit the group - thanks in advance - Group Host

[Jackie Wilson Said]

56. I have spent the entire day arguing with what seems to be HUNDREDS of DU posters

who think Trump wont be all that bad


http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511851854

[JustAnotherGen]

58. He speaks the language of the Hutu

I hope they loooove his tax cuts for the rich and papers please policies.

He's filth.

I have an "out".

I'll be back after the Russians and Chinese invade from Mexico and put down the genocide.

[bettyellen]

180. thanks for doing that- I just can't anymore. I'll get hidden.

[Kind of Blue]

24. I'm sorry that these people are trying to mess up

your nice thread. to you. And there-there to them.

[wryter2000]

36. As a melanin-challenged friend

May I add my thanks?

[mcar]

47. K&R

[Stellar]

57. I didn't help...

I voted for Bernie Sanders. But I will vote blue no matter who.

[Number23]

63. Stellar, we love you no matter WHO you voted for

[Stellar]

70. awww....

[1StrongBlackMan]

73. Isn't it amazing? ...

There are several self-identifying Black and white, strong Sanders supporters in this Group that never seem to have a problem. Then, there are the others ...

[Stellar]

74. Amen to that! nt

[JI7]

59. This is why many want independents who tend to be white men

To be able to vote in all dem primaries

[fleabiscuit]

64. !! That's why I like reading here at AA. Clarity.

[Starry Messenger]

67. I appreciate our coalition.

[1StrongBlackMan]

75. I suspect that's because you don't seem to mind sharing the world with ...

non-straight, non-white, non-males.

[Starry Messenger]

95. The more the merrier! :D

[gollygee]

69. Holy crap are a lot of people having tantrums

I think everyone here knows I voted for Bernie, but I am a strong believer in the democratic system, and I think everyone has a right to vote for whom they want, and the will of the people is how elections should be decided, even if my candidate doesn't win. I am jaded or something, because I can't help feeling like people are willing to ignore the will of the people in this case specifically because this election was decided largely by people of color. Like the election is less legitimate. I don't know what else to think after reading so many times that black people should almost have not even be allowed to vote how they want, because they owed Bernie their votes because of his actions 40 to 50 years ago.

[1StrongBlackMan]

76. LOL ... And +1,000 ...

Like the election is less legitimate.

That's been a common theme since January 2009.

I don't know what else to think after reading so many times that black people should almost have not even be allowed to vote how they want, because they owed Bernie their votes because of his actions 40 to 50 years ago.

I am so tired of hearing about how he, briefly, sacrificed life and limb for me 50 years ago, fighting a fight that I fight every single day ... and can't walk away from.

But that's just the ingrate in me.

[pnwmom]

124. +1. n/t

[tonyt53]

77. Yes, and lifelong white Democrats over 45.

In other words, the people that will actually vote in the general election. People that understand what is at stake in this election. Toss in the Hispanic population that Trump despises and we will win will Hillary!

[Cha]

173. [phone] + Hillary's secret weapon..

Keith Boykin ??@keithboykin
No matter where things stand right now, don't forget Hillary Clinton has a secret weapon for the fall campaign.
5:15 PM - 26 Apr 2016
236 236 Retweets 358 358 likes

https://theobamadiary.com/2016/04/26/well-done-md-pa/#comments

tony~

[thebeautifulstruggle]

82. AA's are the most conservative of the D voting block

even still self-describing themselves as more "conservative" than "liberal" per the Pew Research Center

Blacks: 42% Moderate, 29% Conservative, 27% Liberal

Whites: 50% Liberal, 36% Moderate, 12% Conservative

Hispanics: 39% Moderate, 35% Liberal, 24% Conservative

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/02/09/democratic-voters-increasingly-embrace-liberal-label


so this isn't a surprise AA's voted in high numbers for the establishment candidate

things are changing though, as AA's and Latino's are moving slowly more towards the left

[JustAnotherGen]

83. Too late for this election

You are just going to have to accept that.

From your link:

White Democrats in particular increasingly characterize their political views as liberal, while blacks and Hispanics are far less likely to embrace that description. In 2015, half of white Democratic and Democratic-leaning registered voters called themselves liberals, up 22 percentage points since 2000 (28%).

*I wonder if this has to do with the recent findings that white men are falling into the same death traps black Americans have found themselves caught in for 150 years?*

Democratic voters with higher levels of education are more likely to call themselves liberals than are those with less education. Last year, a majority of Democratic voters with postgraduate experience (58%) described their political views as liberal, up 14 points since 2000. Among Democratic college graduates with no postgraduate experience, 53% described their views as liberal, an increase of 16 points since 2000. Fewer Democratic voters with some college experience but no degree (37%) and those with no college experience (33%) characterized their political views as liberal

*Now let's talk about red lining*
White America at the behest of their hero FDR deliberately and maliciously allowed red lining.
This caused black Americans to fall behind in not only access to better housing (and thus public schools) but also in creating intergenerational wealth.
Lack of access to superior public schools (by default white neighborhoods and communities) and the inabilit to pay for college/university means you will won't have as many blacks in that 'college educated' demographic' . . . which is more 'liberal'.

By contrast, more black and Hispanic Democratic voters characterized their views as moderate than liberal in 2015, and the self-described political views of both groups have remained stable in recent years. Last year, 42% of black Democrats called themselves moderates, 29% said they were conservatives and 27% called themselves liberals. Among Hispanic Democrats, 39% described their political views as moderate, 35% as liberal and 24% as conservative.

*Looks like it is remaining stable. I think from a black perspective - being 'out there' means you could lose small and big gains. There's an old Wanda Sykes skit where she jokes "the white people are watching". Respectability in the White American Gaze means you have to conduct yourself in a certain way - whether dealing with a police officer or a retail store sales clerk who makes a 1/10th of what you make.


What's REALLY been funny to me this election? With all the hair pulling and teeth gnashing and 'oh woe is us' nonsense?

How LITTLE the average white American knows about black Americans. Because white is the default setting - the 'Dominant Culture' - we know a great deal about White America - but they know next to nothing about us.

So all of the studies, positing, theories, concepts, bullying, smugness, etc. etc. still makes me giggle quite a bit because many of these folks have no idea how we live.

I know I've shared this back here before to positive agreement from quite a few members - but what has stumped white liberals/progressives at DU (especially among millenials) is the influence of elders (gen x, boomers, and silents) on black millenials. Our Sunday Dinner is different than other race/ethnic groups in America. It's not uncommon for a poverty/line working poor family member to break bread with a middle class, affluent, rich, and wealthy family member. I also think what is lost on white America is the idea of the wealthier tiers of black America being resentful of their tax dollars going for the Greater Good - as opposed to being able to help MY FAMILY FIRST.

Traditionally these 'liberal money grabs' such as social security (look it up) and territorial wealth building schemes (red Lining) have taken money and resources in the form of taxation from the black community while only being used for other communities.

The 'conservative' comes in terms of financial - and truthfully - no -

I didn't agree with Bernie Sanders taxing me another 30K a year when we ensure that all of our aunts and uncles (90's, 80's, 70's) have everything that they need - that they aren't eating cat food - especially since in my family with the exception of one uncle - it's all elderly black women that white America deliberately paid less because it was 'funny' who now receive less in social security.

I'm conservative that way - Charity begins at home and in my own back yard.

But I suspect you can't wrap your head around that concept . . .

[thebeautifulstruggle]

99. I do accept it...it is what it is

as for the rest of your post, I respect your opinion, but I just posted facts...you can spin them how you'd like

[JustAnotherGen]

101. Then why the passive aggresive tantrum on this thread and this group

It doesn't take 'all caps' and 'flame outs' to do so.

BTW -

There's no 'spin'.

I'm simply better informed on these issues than you are.

That's fact - not spin.

Spin is relative to how and what rotation one does it.



ETA: - Pretty good for someone who has been here for a month. Normally our Group Disruptors sign up just to call us N-Bombs. I thank you for not resorting to that.
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[thebeautifulstruggle]

102. you are clearly more informed than me on your own personal world view, AA's as a whole...

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though I do think there's more to the self-identification than what you chose to write....for ex: Prop 8 in California (7-10 voted for the ban)

but you are right, it was passive aggressive....I do wish AA's identified themselves as more liberal than conservative

i don't see why that's a bad thing though, educate me if you wish

why would you even suggest the N word?

[JustAnotherGen]

107. Name Removed uses it back here allllll the time

[wildeyed]

122. And their screen name....

Pretty sure Talib Kweli (or Coates or MLK, for that matter) does NOT approve.

http://genius.com/Talib-kweli-beautiful-struggle-lyrics

[thebeautifulstruggle]

125. Talib didn't come up with that phrase

and what is that supposed to even mean....because he's black, he wouldn't approve of a white person using the name he used for one of his albums as a screen name?

but im guessing if you did, he would right?

[wildeyed]

137. He would not approve of what you were saying while using the name.

And because I love and respect Kweli's work, I know better than to appropriate that particular title, particularly in light of the reference he is making.

[1StrongBlackMan]

138. ...

[thebeautifulstruggle]

140. he would not approve that I posted the fact

that more AA's self-identify as conservative versus liberal?

this has nothing to do with Talib though (great artist), i chose that username out of my own struggle

[wildeyed]

148. Really?

Then FYI, it came into general usage because MLK used the phrase in a speech. Maybe inspired by a Bible verse, or maybe from Albert Camus' "The Myth of Sisyphus". The only way I have heard it in general usage is to refer to the struggle for civil rights, meaning the struggle to complete a seemingly impossible task is beautiful.

So it is *interesting* that you come into this group, with a very low post count, to argue against AA posters using easily debunk talking points AND you chose that particular screen name that has history and resonance in the civil rights movement. An interesting, um, coincidence.

[thebeautifulstruggle]

155. so interesting it's tattoo'd on my body

how coincidental it all must be

i didn't come to argue btw

[wildeyed]

162. You didn't come to argue?

Really? That is why you are replying aggressively, left and right, to people who were not talking to you in the first place? Either you are disingenuous, or you need to learn a bit more about manners.

Oh well, I guess the quote "never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity" is always applicable on the interwebs I'm out, have fun......

[Digital Puppy]

113. Thanks so much for this post...great examples and illustrations that I hope the reader comprehends.

Easily my favorite post of the month!

Thank you!!

[JustAnotherGen]

118. Wish our intruder

Could see it.

This is why I'm very careful who I associate with IRL

[wildeyed]

119. Boom.

Great post.

Also, I am not sure why it matters how someone characterizes themselves. I know a bunch of Rs who call themselves Libertarians because they are embarrassed by GOP shenanigans. But functionally they are Republicans.

Same with progressives and liberals. I can't totally wrap my head around what a label like that means. I am way left on Civil Rights, very intense about the rights of blacks, POC, Muslims, LBGT, any minority group facing persecution. That goes the very short list of things I would die to protect under certain circumstances. But I am pragmatic on economics as in, I think childhood poverty and homelessness are immoral, but I am willing to consider many options for dealing with the problem. I am more of a hawk on foreign policy than many here. Not batshit crazy like the GOP, but def not on the "progressive" party line.

So what am I? I might say "moderate" if someone asked because I don't tick any ideological box 100%. In fact, I philosophically OPPOSE political ideology because it puts ideas before the needs of the people

So maybe people who SAY they are progressive or liberal just say that because they like how it sounds, gives them a feeling of belonging. My observation, it doesn't seem to mean that they really ARE liberal. And people who say they are moderate might be farther left on many important issues. Or just not care what the label says enough to claim it.

[JustAnotherGen]

123. Boom back and drop the Mic!

[fleabiscuit]

178. Most excellent. Describes my look on issues pretty well too.

[CobaltBlue]

153. Question

What is your current annual income is (before taxes) given that you have specified that
a President Bernie Sanders would tax you “another 30k a year?”

[JustAnotherGen]

175. $500 per post at DU

Less at Yahoo, AOL.

[Number23]

87. And yet, it has never been black folks that have voted in record numbers to deny the rights

of other Americans as has consistently been done by white people. Since... forever.

Funny that.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

90. Or would stay home if they dont get their way. Those saying they will do not deserve

to EVER be called liberal or left.

Not while I am around anyway

[JustAnotherGen]

93. There you go again . . .

Making sense!

[Number23]

96. It's just Part 75 in the blacks aren't liberal/pure/smart enough bullshit that this board is steeped

in. Sick of the shit.

[thebeautifulstruggle]

98. you are forgetting AA's helping to deny the rights of gays in California

how many times have AA's had this power to either give or deny rights to a sub-sect?

hence my post about them being the most conservative of the D voting block

[JustAnotherGen]

100. You forget Elsa Prince-Broekhuizen and the The Church of Latter Day Saints (Mormons)

Involvement in that.

They had the money and the power.

A Portrait of Christian Hate: Prop 8's Elsa Prince of Michigan
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/12/1/667005/-




Erik Prince’s mom gives $450,000 to stop same-sex marriage
By Laurie Bennett
http://news.muckety.com/2008/10/29/erik-princes-mom-gives-450000-to-stop-same-sex-marriage/6231

Elsa Prince, Mother of Blackwater Founder, Was Fourth Largest Prop 8 Donor
http://www.pensitoreview.com/2008/11/17/elsa-prince-blackwater-matriarch-prop-8-donor/


Mormon Church Prop 8
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/news/mormon-church-prop-8/

Mormons Tipped Scale in Ban on Gay Marriage
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/15/us/politics/15marriage.html?_r=0

SACRAMENTO — Less than two weeks before Election Day, the chief strategist behind a ballot measure outlawing same-sex marriage in California called an emergency meeting here.

“We’re going to lose this campaign if we don’t get more money,” the strategist, Frank Schubert, recalled telling leaders of Protect Marriage, the main group behind the ban.

The campaign issued an urgent appeal, and in a matter of days, it raised more than $5 million, including a $1 million donation from Alan C. Ashton, the grandson of a former president of the Mormon Church. The money allowed the drive to intensify a sharp-elbowed advertising campaign, and support for the measure was catapulted ahead; it ultimately won with 52 percent of the vote.

As proponents of same-sex marriage across the country planned protests on Saturday against the ban, interviews with the main forces behind the ballot measure showed how close its backers believe it came to defeat — and the extraordinary role Mormons played in helping to pass it with money, institutional support and dedicated volunteers.

So that said - what is your purpose back here? To break alliances? Because I stand with BehindTheAegis, La Lioness, etc. etc. I've also stated several times we (black Americans) cannot back down. It's not time to retreat - it's time to reload.

We WROTE the playbook for other marginalized groups. If we drop the ball - there will be many groups that lose who have thankfully been able to piggy back off the efforts of the mid 20th century black civil rights movement.

What is your intent in being in the group?

Your response was to a group host (Number23) and you are getting another response from a Group Host.

What is your intent?

Throw elbows?
Put us 'knee grows' in our place? I'd really like to know.

[thebeautifulstruggle]

103. were they Democrats?

Mormons are the most reliable Republicans

I'd like to think those who lean towards the D Party are on the same side when it comes to allowing rights

my purpose wasn't to break alliances, but I don't align with Clinton politics regardless of skin color

while facts are facts, it was passive aggressive as another poster called me out on, and I admitted it...I don't get the love affair, and I would like to get it, without insinuating or implying racism

[JustAnotherGen]

106. I don't understand the Bernie thing

I still believe America missed out on O'Malley.

[thebeautifulstruggle]

114. O'Malley wasn't bad at all...

he just was stuck between the name recognition of Clinton and the message of Bernie (which is my "love affair, what's yours?)

he was in-between, and actually may have had the best chance of accomplishing some things in office

he was always setting himself up for a later run though in my opinion

[JustAnotherGen]

115. Senator Sanders message simply didn't get through to Black Americans

We don't believe in revolution. Even the American Revolution and the subsequent 2/3 Comprise was a smack in the face to us. To quote heavan05: Amerikkka - spelled 3 K's and an A.

[thebeautifulstruggle]

126. AA's don't believe in "revolution" period?

that's a new one

Civil Rights movement couldn't be considered a revolution?

A revolution (from the Latin revolutio, "a turn around&quot is a fundamental change in political power or organizational structures that takes place in a relatively short period of time when the population rises up in revolt against the current authorities.

but since Sander's message that would actually disproportionately help AA's (fact, not opinion or judgement thereof) didn't get through, can you answer what it is about Clinton's message or policies that resonate so well?

[1StrongBlackMan]

132. I realize you are new (or, recently reborn), but ...

the why are Black voters going for HRC has been answered, literally, hundreds of times.

The Cribs Note version:

Because many agree with HRC's Platform (whether white folks agree/improve, or not) .... Because of her decades long relationship with the Black community (whether white folks agree/improve, or not) ... because of HRC electability (whether white folks agree/improve, or not) ... Because of HRC's platform builds on that of President Obama's accomplishment (whether white folks agree/improve, or not) ... Because HRC is not Sanders (whether white folks agree/improve, or not) ... Because HRC's supporters are not Sanders' supporters (whether white folks agree/improve, or not)

[thebeautifulstruggle]

141. fair enough, though there are other AA's that have a completeldifferent version of that relationship

nor did that relationship seem to matter when she went up against Obama, so it wasn't the message...

she says she will build on Obama's platform that she was trying to tear down when she was running against him (night and day this time around)

what does "whether white folks agree/approve, or not" have anything to do with it....why have several posters conversing with me, made off-hand racial remarks as if I am racist for even posting a research study, or even commenting on the subject?

[1StrongBlackMan]

149. Well ...

though there are other AA's that have a completely different version of that relationship

True. The Black community is not monolithic; but, those with a completely different version of that relationship, are in the vast minority.

nor did that relationship seem to matter when she went up against Obama, so it wasn't the message...

You seem to think that the Black vote for Candidate Obama was a vote against HRC or a comment on the relationship ... it was neither. The relationship remained strong, despite Blacks voting for what they believed to be the better option.

she says she will build on Obama's platform that she was trying to tear down when she was running against him (night and day this time around)

This is 2016.

what does "whether white folks agree/approve, or not" have anything to do with it....why have several posters conversing with me, made off-hand racial remarks as if I am racist for even posting a research study, or even commenting on the subject?

It's probably because of the frequency of white people voicing their disapproval of Black folks' support of HRC. It's not calling you a racist ... it's telling you that we don't care for you voicing your disapproval.

[thebeautifulstruggle]

154. so that's just the bottom line isn't it

I can imagine this wouldn't go over too well if someone said this back to you, or say BLM concerning matters of interest

"we don't care for you voicing your disapproval"

[1StrongBlackMan]

158. That is what is being said ...

Don't I you see that?

[JustAnotherGen]

117. Number 23 below

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1187&pid=50307

Truthfully - to be honest . . . It's true.

[Kind of Blue]

104. Thanks, JAG! And I'd like to add one more link

From page 16 of the study Are Blacks and Latinos Responsible for the Passage of Proposition 8? Analyzing Voter Attitudes on California’s Proposal to Ban Same-Sex Marriage in 2008
University of California San Diego

If Latino and Blacks’ increased rates of turnout were responsible for the passage of Proposition 8, then would their vote preferences, if calculated at the 2004 turnout rates, result in a defeat of Proposition 8? The total number of voters who casted their ballots on Prop 8 were 10,271,399 and the difference in the number of voters who supported and opposed the initiative is 504,479.

If Black and Latinos voters in 2008 voted at the same rates as they did in 2004, their combined support for Prop osition 8 still far exceeds the vote difference in support/opposition of it. Moreover, regardless of the survey estimates used (DBR or NEP), the total number of Blacks and Latinos who voted for Proposition 8 would still have led to its passage. Thus, the increase in the rates of Black and Latino turnout in the 2008 general election is not to blame for the passage of Proposition 8. Even if these two groups in the California voted at the same levels as they did in 2004, it would still have been enough to ban same-sex marriage in California.http://pages.ucsd.edu/~mabrajano/page2/prq_2010.pdf

[JustAnotherGen]

105. Do me a favor

Post that to the low post count intruder (at DU a month) below. He needs to go back to The Disgustingness.

[Kind of Blue]

109. Done!

[Kind of Blue]

108. From page 16 of the study "Are Blacks and Latinos Responsible

for the Passage of Proposition 8? Analyzing Voter Attitudes on California’s Proposal to Ban Same-Sex Marriage in 2008"
University of California San Diego

If Latino and Blacks’ increased rates of turnout were responsible for the passage of Proposition 8, then would their vote preferences, if calculated at the 2004 turnout rates, result in a defeat of Proposition 8? The total number of voters who casted their ballots on Prop 8 were 10,271,399 and the difference in the number of voters who supported and opposed the initiative is 504,479.

If Black and Latinos voters in 2008 voted at the same rates as they did in 2004, their combined support for Prop osition 8 still far exceeds the vote difference in support/opposition of it. Moreover, regardless of the survey estimates used (DBR or NEP), the total number of Blacks and Latinos who voted for Proposition 8 would still have led to its passage. Thus, the increase in the rates of Black and Latino turnout in the 2008 general election is not to blame for the passage of Proposition 8. Even if these two groups in the California voted at the same levels as they did in 2004, it would still have been enough to ban same-sex marriage in California.http://pages.ucsd.edu/~mabrajano/page2/prq_2010.pdf

[Number23]

112. As usual, black folks are 20% of the voting population but for some reason...

carry 100% of the blame.

[JustAnotherGen]

116. thebeautifulstruggle needs to read this post

[thebeautifulstruggle]

127. im pretty sure it was the OP taking credit.

"HC has basically won the nomination, big reason for that is black voters"

what percentage is "big"....idk

[Number23]

163. I'm talking about your idiotic assertion that black people were responsible for the passage of Prop8

You'e now gone from acting as though you don't know what anyone else is saying to now pretending that you don't know what even you've said. It's a waste of time, boring and you should probably stop now.

[Number23]

111. I had no doubt you'd trot out that old line that was debunked with 18 minutes of analysis

damn near 10 years ago.

A coalition of voters of many races worked to pass that ban. Black people were no more guilty than anyone else. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-ridley/faith-not-race-the-big-fa_b_156780.html

[Cha]

169. I thought that had been debunked all those years ago.. Mahalo for the reminder, 23.. so that myth

doesn't get perpetuated.. especially in the AA Group.

[wildeyed]

120. And you forget that religious AA leader in NC fought Amendment One

TOOTH and NAIL. Didn't pass in any of the black, rural counties or communities where they had time to canvass.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/4/28/1086839/-North-Carolina-NAACP-launches-unprecedented-media-campaign-against-Amendment-One

[thebeautifulstruggle]

128. good for the NAACP

but the NAACP isn't individual voters going to the booth and voting how they feel

so in your eyes the Pew Research study is wrong, or do you just take offense to it?

[wildeyed]

139. But individual voters DID go to the voting booth in NC

and express how they felt. The "conservative" black voters opposed the law in great numbers if the opposition was framed as a civil rights issue. You just cherry pick the facts that fit your narrative, ignore the rest

I take offense to your basic premise that black voters are conservative. There are MANY issues, and all of us are more or less conservative on some of them. YOU do not get to decide which of these issues are definitive. Bernie Sanders is NOT the arbiter of modern progressivism. A bunch of people who are so hidebound and regressive that they want to take the progressive movement back to a time before civil rights and women's rights, ignore the historical facts that made those battles necessary, do not get my vote as "most progressive". I DO NOT accept your basic premise that educated whites are more liberal that blacks, and I will not allow you and yours to define the parameters of this particular discussion.

Also, as I detailed elsewhere in this thread, I don't give a single shit about ideology.

[thebeautifulstruggle]

143. i am not the one or part of the group that self-identified as more conservative

than liberal

what part of it did I cherry pick? It's an overall self-identification

do you not believe the rights gays fight for are not in the larger context of civil rights?

I do not self-identify with those who wanted to prevent the Civil or Women's Rights movement from taking form, and they certainly weren't liberals, nor were they Bernie Sanders

While I admitted my initial post was passive aggressive, i stand by the opinion (and yes, opinions are like ........) that folks, regardless of color who self-identify themselves as more conservative than liberal, will vote in majority for the establishment candidate

[wildeyed]

161. Of COURSE I believe that the rights of LGBT

belong under the umbrella of Civil Rights. And most black Civil Rights leaders do too. And when the rights of LGBT are framed as a Civil Rights issue, not a religious issue, then so do black Americans. The vote in NC proves this.

So what I get from that is NOT that blacks are more conservative, but that highly RELIGIOUS voters are more conservative. And it seems that black religious voters CAN be persuaded to vote against LGBT bigotry when leaders take the time to figure out what their issues are and frame the debate in a way that addresses their concerns.

So I do not accept your assertion that black voters are conservative. Religious voters tend to be more conservative on LGBT issues, and a higher percentage of blacks are religious than whites. BUT black religious voters are very able to get over their personal bias once they figure out that attacks on LGBT are also attacks on ALL civil rights.

And as far as your opinion, the "self-identified" moderates (and I have already posted, in detail, why I think that doesn't mean anything) voted for Obama, the non-establishment candidate, last time. He was the better candidate and earned more votes. Hillary Clinton was better this time. That is why SHE earned the most votes. Bernie Sanders ran a poor campaign, particularly his outreach to black voters. And that is on Bernie Sanders and nobody else.

[CreekDog]

185. Stop broad brushing African Americans, it's getting extremely obvious

Take your agenda somewhere else

[JI7]

187. California has a low population of AAs

[Tarheel_Dem]

86. Yup. And we didn't have to attend a yyyuuuugggeee rally to accomplish it either.

[steve2470]

89. It's 100% Bernie's fault he has done so poorly

Helloooooooooooooooo, the PoC community is an INTEGRAL and HISTORIC part of the Democratic coalition.

How much attention did Bernie pay to this segment ? NOT ENOUGH, not soon enough, not comprehensively enough, etc.

Case closed. I could have run his campaign better. For free. From my home.

FUTURE DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATES: YOU IGNORE THE PoC COMMUNITY AT YOUR OWN PERIL.

Ignore = treat them as secondary importance.

[Number23]

97. "I could have run his campaign better. For free. From my home."

You know, I don't doubt that one little, teensy bit. In fact, I'm 99% sure that you could have for free, from home his campaign much better than the whack jobs that man actually hired and PAID to run his campaign into the ground.

[wildeyed]

121. He didn't have a SINGLE black OR female adviser in his

original campaign group And I am sorry, that represents a problem with Bernie Sanders, not his campaign. Down the road, POC supporters tried to help him communicate better, but never seemed to get traction after the initial gaffes. Or his campaign bros just drowned them out. Oh well.....

[thebeautifulstruggle]

129. so you're saying, if he just had a POC explaining his message at first

it would have made all the difference?

reminds me of republicans telling us that they are more diverse party because their candidates are more diverse, despite their across the board message of non-inclusivity.

a message is a message, regardless of who's mouth it comes out of

speaking of, what is Hillary's message?

[1StrongBlackMan]

135. LOL ... No.

Wildeye is saying, if he just had a POC helping to frame his message at first ... and he listened ... it might have made a difference.

[thebeautifulstruggle]

145. I reject the notion that a message should have to be framed specifically to different audiences

it's either true and righteous or it isn't, regardless of the demographic

but I guess you're right, Hillary does change it up depending on the audience, from Wall St and down

[1StrongBlackMan]

151. Of course you do ... Mr. Spoken To.

[Digital Puppy]

160. "it's either true and righteous or it isn't, regardless of the demographic"

Spoken like a person *NOT* having to live in this country with my melanin level....but exudes a whole bunch of privilege.

[JustAnotherGen]

168. I was going to say

The message must not have been true or righteous enough.

I'm still waiting for Senator Sanders to provide a way to break up the Banks and throw the window tellers in jail - or on the unemployment line.

[wildeyed]

136. It didn't even occur to him that he needed

a POC or woman on his team. Either that or he didn't know any who were willing That is a HUGE blind spot when you are running for office in a large and incredibly diverse country and the base of you party is largely comprised of those two groups.

We are not talking bout Hillary Clinton. God I hate it when Sanders supporters do that pivot thing...... And either Sanders message was wrong for most POC (my opinion), or it DID matter who said it because Sanders was annihilated in that particular demographic. That is a simple fact.

[bettyellen]

182. he needed a POC to inform him that issues he hoped to set aside were indeed very important.

particularly at this time. if you have to ask what issues- that is your problem.

[uponit7771]

181. +1

[Depaysement]

131. Be careful what you wish for

You just might get it.

[1StrongBlackMan]

134. What is that supposed to mean?

[Squinch]

144. Apparently, you don't need to be careful of what you wish for. Because he lost.

[Depaysement]

146. What a vapid response

[Squinch]

147. Says the poster who opened with "be careful what you wish for."

[JustAnotherGen]

167. Group Host - Leave the group

Don't post anything in response - just go.

[SaschaHM]

156. I wonder when it's going to become painfully obvious to Sanders...

that by arguing for the Super Delegates to throw the race his way based off of polls and not popular vote/pledged delegates, he is arguing that black votes shouldn't matter. All it will take is for one highly influential black surrogate and the black press to argue that and Sanders will be in for the worst June/July of his life.

As an African American Democrat, I'm going to vote for the eventual nominee, but the amount of concessions that it will take to get me to even feel remotely comfortable with the Democratic Party ignoring the decisive (75-25%) will of black voters are innumerable. At the minimum, his VP would need to be black and many of his cabinet/federal judiciary picks would need to be as well.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

177. Hillary is the nominee, that process is all but over. Bernie knows it and since the cause

or issues are more important to him than the position in the Oval Office, I suspect we will see him pivot now for maximum effect.

But as others have said here, he really didnt think it through when he started off as to the message, and it hurt him severely. Having tons of white middle class males lecturing POC as to how to vote, didnt help.



He now controls this massive organization of involved citizens, most of whom probably were not involved a year ago, and what he does with it is what matters.

Why I have hope is I truly believe Bernie will make this be worth all the effort, that he cares about change in a real way and not about his own gratification or power.

I also believe the white liberal political power structure needs POC and they better start acting like it.

[ismnotwasm]

164. The larger point to me, even as a Hillary supporter

Is the righteous power this represents. AA's are the true change agents in a rapidly changing world


They made their choice. I am beyond grateful that they did.

[Cha]

174. Well said, ism.. so true!

So grateful

[betsuni]

183. I've come late to this thread and I'm so glad I didn't miss it because:

"I find Spike Lee one of the most intelligent black people in the nation."

I think this is going to have to go to number one on the Dumbest Comment chart, replacing my former favorite (seen here in this group): "Black men and Bernie go together like fish and greens."