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Thu May 5, 2016, 09:33 AM

Have you noticed these two patterns?

One: Because HRC has most PoC votes therefore it will be our fault for ushering in President Trump, because he'll win.
Two: Have fun with President Trump because HRC needs BS supporter votes and we won't vote for her and Trump wins.

So all of us are either to blame or be punished getting the impression now that some liberals want Trump to win. Trump losing, that I'm seeing is most likely, is not even a possibility.

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Reply Have you noticed these two patterns? (Original post)
Kind of Blue May 2016 OP
bkkyosemite May 2016 #1
Kind of Blue May 2016 #2
kwassa May 2016 #8
KittyWampus May 2016 #19
Number23 May 2016 #48
Kind of Blue May 2016 #64
Name removed May 2016 #65
La Lioness Priyanka May 2016 #46
JustAnotherGen May 2016 #3
Kind of Blue May 2016 #7
JustAnotherGen May 2016 #14
Kind of Blue May 2016 #49
1StrongBlackMan May 2016 #28
Starry Messenger May 2016 #4
Kind of Blue May 2016 #9
1StrongBlackMan May 2016 #29
Kind of Blue May 2016 #57
1StrongBlackMan May 2016 #60
Kind of Blue May 2016 #61
Kind of Blue May 2016 #50
Starry Messenger May 2016 #52
Silver_Witch May 2016 #5
Kind of Blue May 2016 #10
freebrew May 2016 #21
Kind of Blue May 2016 #51
freebrew May 2016 #54
1StrongBlackMan May 2016 #30
Kind of Blue May 2016 #53
leftofcool May 2016 #6
Kind of Blue May 2016 #11
serbbral May 2016 #37
lovemydog May 2016 #12
Kind of Blue May 2016 #13
lovemydog May 2016 #16
Kind of Blue May 2016 #26
lovemydog May 2016 #42
Kind of Blue May 2016 #55
cloudythescribbler May 2016 #15
Kind of Blue May 2016 #27
1StrongBlackMan May 2016 #31
Chitown Kev May 2016 #33
1StrongBlackMan May 2016 #36
cloudythescribbler May 2016 #35
serbbral May 2016 #39
1StrongBlackMan May 2016 #41
1StrongBlackMan May 2016 #38
Kind of Blue May 2016 #56
cloudythescribbler May 2016 #66
Herman4747 May 2016 #17
LanternWaste May 2016 #18
Herman4747 May 2016 #20
KittyWampus May 2016 #23
99th_Monkey May 2016 #22
KittyWampus May 2016 #24
Herman4747 May 2016 #25
1StrongBlackMan May 2016 #32
Jackie Wilson Said May 2016 #34
1StrongBlackMan May 2016 #40
Jackie Wilson Said May 2016 #43
1StrongBlackMan May 2016 #44
Kind of Blue May 2016 #58
La Lioness Priyanka May 2016 #45
Kind of Blue May 2016 #62
Number23 May 2016 #47
emulatorloo May 2016 #59
Kind of Blue May 2016 #63

Response to Kind of Blue (Original post)

Thu May 5, 2016, 09:34 AM

1. The primary was always rigged for Clinton. They dynastic one.

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Response to bkkyosemite (Reply #1)

Thu May 5, 2016, 09:35 AM

2. I understand what you're saying but

it doesn't answer my question. Thanks though.

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Response to bkkyosemite (Reply #1)

Thu May 5, 2016, 09:54 AM

8. Yes, Trump already told us it was rigged. He won.

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Response to bkkyosemite (Reply #1)

Thu May 5, 2016, 11:12 AM

19. When you back a losing candidate who runs a lousy campaign and never corrects course...

 

the only things left is to imply it was rigged.

Your candidate is an empty suit who used demagoguery to stir up anger and had no actual plans to implement any of his grandiose schemes.

Sanders did little good for decades as Senator.

And that includes ignoring the Veterans health care scandal that erupted while he was chairman of the Veteran Affairs Committee.

Veterans died for lack of health care and Sanders refused to hold the necessary hearings and used a bogus "Koch Bros" argument to excuse the problem.

That also includes voting to dump radioactive waster on a minority community in Texas. And getting his wife Jane on the same Nuclear Waste Board in Texas.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/4/16/1516075/-Sanders-are-still-profiting-from-Sierra-Blanca-nuclear-waste-dump-per-their-2014-tax-return

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Response to KittyWampus (Reply #19)

Fri May 6, 2016, 01:40 AM

48. + a freaking million

When you back a losing candidate who runs a lousy campaign and never corrects course...the only things left is to imply it was rigged.

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Response to KittyWampus (Reply #19)

Fri May 6, 2016, 03:05 PM

64. Thank you, KittyWampus and Kwaasa for answering that.

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Response to bkkyosemite (Reply #1)

Fri May 6, 2016, 12:23 AM

46. it was in favor of the democrat who has won 2 state primaries, and was secretary of the state

 

for a popular democratic president.

that's not rigging.. that's called being popular.

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Response to Kind of Blue (Original post)

Thu May 5, 2016, 09:37 AM

3. It's crazy

Absolutely insane!

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #3)

Thu May 5, 2016, 09:52 AM

7. Yeah, I had to stop and ask because

it started to make me a little crazy. Insanity, yeah

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Response to Kind of Blue (Reply #7)

Thu May 5, 2016, 10:50 AM

14. Eh?

In 8 months the gas lighting will commence. Save this OP for safe keeping my friend.

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #14)

Fri May 6, 2016, 10:17 AM

49. Will do. And best to keep ahead of the

many forms it will morph into as we move along. For instance, saw this posted a few days ago http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017365967 The person's claim is that HRC supporters are taking away something from her by not voting for Bernie. Good grief!

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #3)

Thu May 5, 2016, 12:10 PM

28. No ... It's consistent with DU:progressive, since January 2009.

 

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Response to Kind of Blue (Original post)

Thu May 5, 2016, 09:40 AM

4. The atmosphere around this election has been dismal.

It's strange to me that there exists a group of folks that can't celebrate the fact that the Obama coalition has been kicking ass in the electoral arena against the right-wing. Blamed for too much success perhaps?

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Response to Starry Messenger (Reply #4)

Thu May 5, 2016, 09:57 AM

9. Oh, wow. I hadn't thought of that

because I take it for granted that our president is the very best in my lifetim. And hadn't heard much from him on the election so far, except "Trump will not be president." I wish one of them or one of us could explain why a president trump is preferrable to HRC, other than I'm not getting my way so I'll blame you and/or enjoy your punishment.

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Response to Kind of Blue (Reply #9)

Thu May 5, 2016, 12:15 PM

29. LOL ...

 

I wish one of them or one of us could explain why a president trump is preferrable to HRC, other than I'm not getting my way so I'll blame you and/or enjoy your punishment.


Never mind, they will be suffering the Same punishment, and (I know this will piss off many) most of those anxiously awaiting OUR punishment, will suffer far more than this Black man (at this point, I have more than enough assets and resources to leave the country should I need to)!

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #29)

Fri May 6, 2016, 02:07 PM

57. As my mom used to say, You want me to suffer

then we all will suffer. Given enough time I've found suffering just leads to more suffering.

"I have more than enough assets and resources to leave the country should I need to)!"

I've never thought about leaving. But when I think about it, my parents left inheritances of land and property behind just to make it here. All my life, there've been constant calls for the elders to come back and I can't believe I'm one of them now

So all are invited to visit or stay as long as desired, if it should come to that

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Response to Kind of Blue (Reply #57)

Fri May 6, 2016, 02:31 PM

60. There's an old saying ...

 

"If you dig a grave ... better dig two ... one for your enemy, the other for you."

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #60)

Fri May 6, 2016, 02:48 PM

61. HA!!! That should have been the title of this OP!

That's what I'm talking about

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Response to Starry Messenger (Reply #4)

Fri May 6, 2016, 10:23 AM

50. Got this from my sister this morning.

So I'm loving your answer even more.

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Response to Kind of Blue (Reply #50)

Fri May 6, 2016, 10:38 AM

52. On point!!

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Response to Kind of Blue (Original post)

Thu May 5, 2016, 09:41 AM

5. I honestly think it is...

 

The DNCs fault not HRC supporters. Everyone has a right to support the candidate they like best! I might not support that candidate and you might not support mine. Who ever wins the primary wins or loses on their own merit!

No one will be to blame if Trump wins except those that voted for him. Personally I am tired of the blaming of others going on on DU.

If you directly vote for Trump and he wins the result is on you. If you vote for someone else you did your best to stop him.

The media is to blame for much of Trumps rise!

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Response to Silver_Witch (Reply #5)

Thu May 5, 2016, 10:09 AM

10. If you directly vote for Trump and he wins the result is on you.

If you vote for someone else you did your best to stop him." See, that's the logic I follow.

"The media is to blame for much of Trumps rise!" I couldn't agree more. I remember what infuriated me about the Gore/Bush campaign was the media saying how Gore is a bore. I heard a few reporters and a panel of talking heads discussing how much more fun the next few years would be if Bush was elected. Boring, really? Since then, I pay them no mind.

I agree in part though. The violence his most racist supporters have demonstrated can't be overlooked. Humans, I've learned are triggered to unconsciously look for threats and react. And there's been nothing more threatening to them then our president.

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Response to Kind of Blue (Reply #10)

Thu May 5, 2016, 11:27 AM

21. And no mention...

of the fact that * was stoopid.

Of course, we sort of forget that the M$M has been entirely bought off.
The corporatists took over the airwaves without nary a whimper from our electeds.

THAT is what gave the election to *, and that is what will haunt us until we're entirely taken over by fascists
or we at last rise up and end them.

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Response to freebrew (Reply #21)

Fri May 6, 2016, 10:36 AM

51. Thought stoopid went without saying

But you're right, it shouldn't be taken for granted.

Of course, we sort of forget that the M$M has been entirely bought off.
The corporatists took over the airwaves without nary a whimper from our electeds


It's not just the elected. I never forget it's the people who elect them. We saw what was coming way before *, it was match, set, game by that election because there was just a whimper from us.

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Response to Kind of Blue (Reply #51)

Fri May 6, 2016, 10:56 AM

54. Yep, totally correct...nt

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Response to Kind of Blue (Reply #10)

Thu May 5, 2016, 12:19 PM

30. Correction ...

 

If you vote for someone else, and that someone is the Democratic nominee (since we live in a two-party system) you did your best to stop him."

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #30)

Fri May 6, 2016, 10:41 AM

53. Got it! Said much better.

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Response to Kind of Blue (Original post)

Thu May 5, 2016, 09:45 AM

6. Trump will not win a GE

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Response to leftofcool (Reply #6)

Thu May 5, 2016, 10:13 AM

11. Agreed!

I guess some liberals are so callous as to bite off their nose to spite their own face? It's crazy.

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Response to leftofcool (Reply #6)

Thu May 5, 2016, 04:28 PM

37. I hope you are right!

Sometimes I wonder.

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Response to Kind of Blue (Original post)

Thu May 5, 2016, 10:42 AM

12. Yes.

That 'holier than thou' attitude is the enemy of progress.

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Response to lovemydog (Reply #12)

Thu May 5, 2016, 10:49 AM

13. Yeah, a trump presidency might not affect the

blamers and punishers at all and they can afford to be 'holier than thou.'

They sort of had me wondering how unforgiving our society is. Where did it come from? There has to be something historically involved that it's such a go-to reaction. Got to research this a little bit

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Response to Kind of Blue (Reply #13)

Thu May 5, 2016, 11:04 AM

16. I've been wondering the same.

Historically, perhaps some of it derives from white puritanism. Which I think may also lead into a lot of white privilege. Thinking they are always right.

And some from ignorance of history. There's an ahistorical element to it that demonstrates a lack of knowledge beyond the surface or what they've been recently fed. And some from weak critical thinking skills. They're normally developed with experience, family and / or good education. And there's always a certain percentage of the population that's batshit crazy.

Interested in your thoughts on it too, K o B.

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Response to lovemydog (Reply #16)

Thu May 5, 2016, 11:59 AM

26. Yes! white purintanism is a good place to start

in looking further back.

They're normally developed with experience, family and / or good education. Or not that leads to a lot of blaming - microagression - punishing, and then turning a blindeye to the unprecedented level of incarceration and killings.

Reminds me of a section of the documentary Color of Fear, posted below - not the whole thing. So I understand how the unforgiving society perpetuates. At about 16:57 to 19:48, one of the white male participants - who finally understood - explained how through his family, he became so desensitized. And I can imagine that if this is the way many, many families operate then it's not a surprise that PoC can never fully get around that kind of conditioning. And that batshit crazy, even among liberals, starts at home.



Thanks for your insights, LMD!

The full 23 minutes, especially the development of the participant above, is very emotionally.

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Response to Kind of Blue (Reply #26)

Thu May 5, 2016, 06:40 PM

42. Most educational 23 minutes I've spent in a long time.

Thank you for sharing the clip KOB.

Desensitization of white people, as that guy describes, starts at an early age. I saw and felt it in public schools, among peers and in family too. Thousands of times. Many white liberals tend to feel they've 'done enough' by voting or not being explicitly racist. It's disturbing to them to consider their privilege because they don't think of themselves as 'racist.'

Why do they keep confusing the two terms? I think that's part of the obfuscation discussed in that clip. As that guy says, it becomes ingrained that 'I'm a good person' so don't call anything I do racist or privileged. They get defensive instead of listening further.

I can relate to the discomfort that white guy was feeling. It's easier to block out than confront. For example, something I've seen here. Most original posts are an attempt to share information or ask how everyone's feeling about something. Sometimes if the response isn't what they want to hear (confirming how great and all-knowing they are) a retort is 'But you don't speak for all black people.' That's something I never encounter. Lord knows I've gotten wacko responses. But no one's ever said 'You don't speak for all white people.' It's assumed as part of white privilege that each white person is an individual human being whereas a black person who disagrees is 'the other.' Some spokesperson or non-spokesperson, rather than an individual also sharing their experiences.

I'm fascinated as you are with historical antecedents. Good luck in your explorations. Feel free to share any other books or texts. The book Anti-Intellectualism in American Life and the essay The Paranoid Style in American Politics, both by Richard Hofstadter, may be useful. Also, Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God, a sermon by revivalist christian theologian Jonathan Edwards. Preached in Massachusetts & a starting point for origins of puritanism in the first colonies. It's radically different in tone and style from the ecumenical approach found in other churches like unitarian or presbyterian (how I was raised). It's more self-righteous and it's interesting to note that they called themselves 'New Lights' and their movement 'The Great Awakening.' In other words, kind of like 'We know what's best and if you're not enlightened like us then you're a lesser being!'

Does anyone know the name of movie at the end of the clip? It's cheesy (!) but is it based on a real life episode?

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Response to lovemydog (Reply #42)

Fri May 6, 2016, 11:29 AM

55. Funny, I thought the movie at the end

of the clip was some other video starting up. Found it was a miniseries called North and South that came out in1985.

"But no one's ever said 'You don't speak for all white people.' It's assumed as part of white privilege that each white person is an individual human being whereas a black person who disagrees is 'the other.' Some spokesperson or non-spokesperson, rather than an individual also sharing their experiences."

And therein lies the answer as to why they keep confusing racist and privilege, the words indivisualizes those terms instead of causing a deeper look at the invisible supremacy that shapes us all and normalizes privilege, and discomfort and denial ensues. But that's a good first step, to agitate, to get them to feel. I hope Pastor Martin Niemöller's brilliant poem "First they came for.." is what a lot of whites are awakening to, especially in this election season, as we're seeing majority of PoC turning their backs on the majority of those who did not speak out for us. It's not a one-way street.

Thanks for the reference material. I'm glad two of them are accessible online!

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Response to Kind of Blue (Original post)

Thu May 5, 2016, 10:55 AM

15. the presidential primary season brings out ALL that is ugly on DU

I have to cringe when I realize that much or most of what gets posted here (by both Bernie and Hillary supporters) in attacking each other is by actual Democrats and not troll plants. When the attacks get to the level of attacking those who support this or that candidate, going beyond even ad hominem attacks on the candidate, that is a new plane of ugly.

It is a fact that PoC voters have favored Hillary Clinton. I remember well the early months of Barack Obama's campaign in 2007, when I strongly supported him (for many of the same reasons I have also supported Bernie Sanders since day 1 -- opposition to the neoliberal/Clinton wing of the Democratic Party) and polls for month after month showed Hillary Clinton leading by double digits including among blacks in South Carolina and nationally. The reason was obvious -- times were good economically under President Clinton and there was a reluctance to support ANY unknown candidate against the prospect of more Clinton-type years. It was only when Oprah went on tour, and others like Chris Rock very visibly supported Barack Obama that the numbers started to move dramatically. Once they did, it was a really major breakthrough for Obama.

Many people I know and respect support Hillary Clinton's candidacy. My 89 year old mother is very enthusiastic about the prospect of a woman as president and rightly points out the decades of unfair attacks against Hillary Clinton. Most voters, including a substantial proportion of Bernie Sanders' voters nationally believe Hillary would be harder to beat, the current polls notwithstanding, as a "socialist" candidate would be cannon fodder in the GE that would make the burying of Dukakis (which I remember well) look minor. That said, if Trump does win -- and that is VERY possible, as I think that all but a few Republicans and RWers will line up behind him, when all the disingenuous whining is done, and Hillary Clinton does have many weaknesses as a candidate -- there will be recriminations all around. Bernie Sanders' supporters, not having any GE campaign with him as the nominee, would blame those who supported Hillary in the primaries, saying "I told you so" while Hillary Clinton's supporters from the primaries (and some others of opportunistic bent) will heap blame on the Left (as always), that not all the Sanderistas lined up behind Hillary.

For my part, I think Bernie Sanders has a great opportunity to start a serious progressive opposition within the Democratic Party, as the Rainbow Coalition was for a while in the 1980s. But it would need to grow more strongly than that. To that end, uniting behind Hillary Clinton if she is the nominee will put that post-election effort -- which would be aimed at her if she wins -- is a major PLUS for the credibility of a systematic year-in-year out mobilization of the (relatively) progressive Democrats at least matching and hopefully exceeding that of the RW teabaggers within the Republican Party. Also, any assinine finger-pointing at PoC of the kind you allude to will also only be a huge albatross around the neck of any post-election mobilization of (relatively) progressive Democrats

I doubt many DUers at all will actually vote for or support Trump. But out there in the mass public, I hear about unions divided between Trump supporters and Sanders supporters, and others in the mass public feel that way. But in the end, it is on Hillary Clinton (and how the MSM deals with the GE) that will determine who wins. It is only an act of perversity to think that somehow a Trump victory would help progressives -- people said that about Nixon, others about Reagan and so forth, and over the long term, none of it has panned out

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Response to cloudythescribbler (Reply #15)

Thu May 5, 2016, 12:02 PM

27. I've got to get to work but I look forward to

rereading your response and answering later on. Thanks!

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Response to cloudythescribbler (Reply #15)

Thu May 5, 2016, 12:26 PM

31. Sorry ...

 

Clinton and there was a reluctance to support ANY unknown candidate against the prospect of more Clinton-type years. It was only when Oprah went on tour, and others like Chris Rock very visibly supported Barack Obama that the numbers started to move dramatically. Once they did, it was a really major breakthrough for Obama.


Oprah and Chris Rock had little to nothing to do with Candidate Obama's surge among Black voters ... that would have been the Iowa Primary where Black folks saw white folks were willing to vote for the Black guy.

The Black electorate votes for who they believe, if elected, will do the least harm ... with an emphasis on the IF ELECTED part.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #31)

Thu May 5, 2016, 12:54 PM

33. Well...

The surge of black support for Obama in South Carolina did begin prior to Iowa (Obama had a considerable lead among black voters in SC already). Obama's win in Iowa (which I expected for months)turned SC into a rout...To blacks outside of Illinois, Iowa, and South Carolina it was a transformative win...being in Illinois, it may have been a little easier to read the tea leaves on that one.

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Response to Chitown Kev (Reply #33)

Thu May 5, 2016, 04:25 PM

36. You mean ...

 

it wasn't Killer Mike/Spike Lee 1.0 that did the trick?

I wonder if some recognize (will ever recognize) how such simplistic statements make them look to those they are speaking about?

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #31)

Thu May 5, 2016, 01:55 PM

35. It is a very tricky question, but in terms of timing, but dramatic shift BEFORE Iowa is clear

It is difficult to assign causes, but in terms of timing, there was a definite shift b/t Oct and before the Jan 3 2008 Iowa Caucus. No doubt a number of factors were important, and Obama continued to surge after the Iowa caucuses,but here are some links from the period (admittedly precise information is spotty):

Late Nov 2007: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/black-voters-support-hillary-clinton-barack-obama-poll-article-1.260737

Mid Dec 2007: http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/12/14/poll-black-south-carolina-voters-now-evenly-split/

It was in the first half of November that Oprah (who had originally endorsed in May) went on tour with a lot of fanfare in the national press and in the S.C. press. It is hard to separate out her outspoken support and appearances, the surge of media coverage, and the shift in support after many months of Hillary Clinton holding a lead (which was also closing rapidly nationally at the time of the Iowa Caucus). But of course there really is no hard proof possible


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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #31)

Thu May 5, 2016, 04:36 PM

39. I TOTALLY AGREE!

My own mother said when Barack won Iowa, that is when she started believing and many black folks thought the same thing. I am in South Carolina, by the way.

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Response to serbbral (Reply #39)

Thu May 5, 2016, 05:13 PM

41. Nope ... It was Oprah ...

 

that switched this early HRC supporter to Candidate Obama ... never mind that, I didn't even know she had endorsed, and was speaking for, him ... and neither did a bunch of other folks ...



http://www.people-press.org/2007/09/20/the-oprah-factor-and-campaign-2008/

And, 84% of those polled indicated that the endorsement would either have no effect on their vote or would make them LESS likely to support Candidate Obama.

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Response to cloudythescribbler (Reply #15)

Thu May 5, 2016, 04:31 PM

38. Would you please write this ...

 

It is only an act of perversity to think that somehow a Trump victory would help progressives -- people said that about Nixon, others about Reagan and so forth, and over the long term, none of it has panned out


Again? ... In all caps? How many time have we read that on these pages? As if, a progressive utopia will rise from the ashes.

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Response to cloudythescribbler (Reply #15)

Fri May 6, 2016, 11:59 AM

56. "When the attacks get to the level of attacking those

who support this or that candidate, going beyond even ad hominem attacks on the candidate, that is a new plane of ugly." Can't disagree with that and exactly how I feel.

...there will be recriminations all around. Bernie Sanders' supporters, not having any GE campaign with him as the nominee, would blame those who supported Hillary in the primaries, saying "I told you so" while Hillary Clinton's supporters from the primaries (and some others of opportunistic bent) will heap blame on the Left (as always), that not all the Sanderistas lined up behind Hillary.

Well, the reason for the OP is that I've seen so little of the latter so far. I believe it will happen if trump is elected that some HRC supporters will cast blame, too. But my main concern is that specifically PoC get automatically and erroneously blamed again and again. And I'm sick of that we constantly have to correct so many white liberals who are not above their conservative brothers in casting immediate blame for whatever the problem du jour is.

"I doubt many DUers at all will actually vote for or support Trump."

I'm not really concerned about that. But just wanted to, as stated above, start the discussion about what happens again and again. This time, why on Earth would a liberal even nurse the feeling of blaming/punishing by wishing for a president trump when it comes to us? My point is get your feelings in check now if you - not you personally - hope for any progress. Identity politics is here to stay and unites more than it divides. I believe this is just the beginning of the changes we all hope for.

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Response to Kind of Blue (Reply #56)

Sun May 8, 2016, 12:42 PM

66. notion of how identity politics UNITES more than it divides is VERY important

and I agree. This is in contrast with folk like Todd Gitlin in "The Twilight of Common Dreams". I really think that the national Rainbow Coalition should NEVER have been abandoned -- it certainly would have become EXTREMELY helpful during the Clinton as well as W Bush presidencies. In more recent years, it might have helped push for more than the progressive reforms that were accomplished in the 2009-10 period, and in the disastrous 2010 election

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Response to Kind of Blue (Original post)

Thu May 5, 2016, 11:07 AM

17. What the hell? We all expect Hillary to beat her good buddy, Trump!

 




So sad that we have to decide between them, isn't it?

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Response to Herman4747 (Reply #17)

Thu May 5, 2016, 11:10 AM

18. Seems akin to the 'good buddy' photos of Roosevelt and Stalin.

Seems akin to the 'good buddy' photos of Roosevelt and Stalin.

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Response to LanternWaste (Reply #18)

Thu May 5, 2016, 11:16 AM

20. Who had to meet because they were both fighting a common enemy.

 

Wonder who the common enemy of Hillary & The Donald is.

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Response to Herman4747 (Reply #20)

Thu May 5, 2016, 11:53 AM

23. Wonder why you are posting this cr*p in this forum.

 



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Response to LanternWaste (Reply #18)

Thu May 5, 2016, 11:34 AM

22. I'm guessing that Roosevelt didn't attend Stalin's daughter's wedding. nt

 

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Reply #22)

Thu May 5, 2016, 11:54 AM

24. So on point to the OP and so appropriate for the Group you're in.

 



Just proving what most of us already have observed, actually.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Reply #22)

Thu May 5, 2016, 11:55 AM

25. A most reasonable guess, indeed! nt

 

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Reply #22)

Thu May 5, 2016, 12:28 PM

32. Was he (Roosevelt) invited?

 

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Response to Kind of Blue (Original post)

Thu May 5, 2016, 01:31 PM

34. Black people are to blame, for everything, but you know that already. (sarcasm)

I was at my physicians office today, he and I are friends and he is known as the "hippie" doctor for our area, long story as to why.

We both were laughing about Drumpf and the idiots (including some of his patients) who support him, and then I mentioned I was pro Bernie but would vote Hillary if necessary, and this extremely liberal, highly educated, wonderful and awesome man/doctor, told me he was probably supporting Hillary and why.

Mainly it had to do with incrementalism, being favorable, and his concern that Bernie could not really get what he wanted and that some of what he wanted, like the end of TPP may not actually be best in the end.

He mentioned Friedman's piece on TPP and how folks are saying if Drumpf was prez he could get X, Y and Z in a better trade deal, but in reality that is the deal Obama already got in TPP.

Personally I am against TPP, but his argument made sense.

What we agreed on was Costa Rica would be nice if Drumpf steals the election.

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Response to Jackie Wilson Said (Reply #34)

Thu May 5, 2016, 04:38 PM

40. LOL ...

 

What we agreed on was Costa Rica would be nice if Drumpf steals the election.


We might be neighbors!!!

Mrs. 1SBM and I are batting around Costa Rica and Belize ... and have been reminding BabyGirl 1SBM that, because I don't know how long it will take, she has to apply to renew her passport, the day after she turns 21 (her birthday falls on a Sunday).

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #40)

Thu May 5, 2016, 06:41 PM

43. Have you been? I was there once in the Guanacaste area.

Awesome, love it.

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Response to Jackie Wilson Said (Reply #43)

Thu May 5, 2016, 06:51 PM

44. We're planning a trip in July. We'll probably hit both ...

 

(a week in each) ... it seems more pressing these days. Perhaps, I should take a break from trumpunderground, er ... DU:GD.

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Response to Jackie Wilson Said (Reply #34)

Fri May 6, 2016, 02:14 PM

58. Civil, you and your doctor.

Agree to disagree, not freakin' blame shift and then wish for or seek retribution on people who've done NOTHING Wrong but exercise a right so many died for. Sheesh!

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Response to Kind of Blue (Original post)

Fri May 6, 2016, 12:21 AM

45. some people have the luxury to stand by to let Trump win, just to say I told you so

 

mostly because it wont be their voting rights removed, their abortion access restricted, their marriages annulled by some crazy constitutional amendment, their parents deported etc.

people with oodles of privilege can make everything about their pretty little consciences.

i have no patience for this self indulgent shit.

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Reply #45)

Fri May 6, 2016, 02:52 PM

62. "i have no patience for this self indulgent shit"

You and me both.

GTFOH! Why are they even in the game other than dominion.

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Response to Kind of Blue (Original post)

Fri May 6, 2016, 01:37 AM

47. I love how the ones screaming about how they hate Hillary because she is rich and an alleged racist

Are the SAME DAMN ONES whining about how Trump will either wipe the floor with her or, slightly subtly, he may even have their support.

Hillary: Rich as heck, opponents scream about her racism
Trump: Richer than Jesus in a jumping castle, EVERYBODY calls him racist because he is and is damn proud of it

but somehow HE's the superior candidate or might even maybe get the support of the "progressives" who don't want Hillary because of her wealthy racism.

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Response to Number23 (Reply #47)

Fri May 6, 2016, 02:29 PM

59. Probably because they won't be personally be harmed by a Trump presidency

We see this kind of shit on DU around every election. '04, '06, '08, '10, '12, and now'16.

Doesn't matter who the Dem running is. Could be Mother Teresa.

Too invested in their "the parties are the same" idiocy.

So you always get these posts around election time that encourage letting the egregious Republican win. Burn the village to save it. Who gives a shit about the well-being of those who lives will be damaged and destroyed by the GOP?

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Note to Jurors: any alerter who attempts to spin this post as an 'attack' on Sanders or Sanders supporters is way out of line. Sanders is diametrically opposed to allowing a Republican in the White House. So are Sanders supporters. I am talking specifically talking about posters that make this kind of "let Republicans win" argument everytime there is an election.


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Response to Number23 (Reply #47)

Fri May 6, 2016, 03:03 PM

63. "somehow HE's the superior candidate or...

might even maybe get the support of the "progressives" who don't want Hillary because of her wealthy racism."

That's it! I'm just through - again - with some of these "progressives" who don't realize that their days of having it both ways are over. How can they be so all over the place? Oh yeah, privilege and the insanity it breeds

wealthy racism Love that. Pot meet kettle.

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