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Tue Feb 4, 2014, 12:36 PM

Jordan Davis Murder Trial thread

Post in LBN yesterday by another DUer for highest level information - http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=717136 I.E. – Trial Underway

Jury Selection is now underways -
http://www.hlntv.com/video/2014/02/03/jury-selection-underway-michael-dunn-trial

Jury selection began Monday in the controversial murder trial of Michael Dunn, the 47-year-old software developer who fatally shot unarmed teen Jordan Davis in November 2012.

Dunn is accused of shooting and killing Davis after an argument over loud music in a gas station parking lot in Jacksonville, Florida. Dunn claims the teen was threatening him, and he shot Davis in self-defense. Police never found a weapon on Davis or in the SUV he was in.

Before opening statements begin next week, HLN is taking a look back at everything that has led up to this moment, including stepping into Dunn's world behind bars. Twenty-five of his jailhouse letters have been released to the public, according to Jacksonville's WTEV.

While claiming in a letter to his grandmother that he's not a racist, Dunn repeatedly refers to Davis and his friends as thugs, and in a letter to his daughter he talks about how "the jail is full of blacks and they All act like thugs."



Quotes from his letters to his grandmother at Huffpo –

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/18/jordan-davis-shooter-michael-dunn_n_4123805.html
Excerpts from Letter(s) to Grandma

The jail is full of blacks and they all act like thugs. This may sound a bit radical but if more people would arm themselves and kill these (expletive) idiots, when they're threatening you, eventually they may take the hint and change their behavior.

I'm really not prejudiced against race, but I have no use for certain cultures. This gangster-rap, ghetto talking thug 'culture' that certain segments of society flock to is intolerable. They espouse violence and disrespect towards women. The black community here in Jacksonville is in an uproar against me -- the three other thugs that were in the car are telling stories to cover up their true "colors."

I am amazed at what is going on with the way the media has been covering this case. Their [sic] have been several other shootings here in Jacksonville, yet they are all either black-on-black or black-on-white, and none of them have garnered any attention from the media. I guess it's news when someone dares to not to be a victim, but they are twisting it around sand saying I was the "bad guy."


That last quote - 'When someone dares to not be a victim' - I guess we'll have to wait and see until the evidence is released but as I understand it -

There were three other men in the car.
Not one of them had a gun.
There were other witnesses at the gas station.
He was not threatened - just a drunk.
They (he and his female partner) ran from the scene of the crime. Even the Zimpig stuck around. That's right - even the Zimpig stuck around.



Thought I would start this for anyone wishing to discuss but maybe bruised a little around the psyche from the Trayvon Martin Murder Trial.

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Original post)

Tue Feb 4, 2014, 12:41 PM

1. I don't think I can take another acquittal.

 

I threw up last time. I was so mad I was crying and shaking. I just can't take it again.

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Response to bravenak (Reply #1)

Tue Feb 4, 2014, 12:47 PM

3. Me either

But I think we should prepare for it bravenak.

I don't believe Jordan Davis is going to be treated as fair and square and given a shot as Dunn would have been - in Florida - if Dunn had been the victim.

But - Davis' parents did settle the civil suit and I'm assuming to their satisfaction. That's huge - they weren't dependent on Angela Corey - and got some sort of justice.

But Ms. Corey being Ms. Corey - and that little area of Florida being what it is - I don't trust the jury won't get lead to believe that just being black to 'some people' and within 10 feet of them means you are automatically going to violently assault them with a bag of candy or something.

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #3)

Tue Feb 4, 2014, 12:56 PM

4. I'm worried about the fallout for another acquittal.

 

If I lived in Florida, I would move. If you can't go to a convenience store without being shot it's too dangerous for me. If some crazy man can just shoot up your car and get off Scott free it's just too damn scary for me.



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Response to bravenak (Reply #4)

Tue Feb 4, 2014, 01:03 PM

5. An exchange I had with someone

Last week on one of the Knox threads . . .

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=714973

I don't think you are too far off in your line of thinking.

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Response to bravenak (Reply #1)

Wed Feb 5, 2014, 05:48 PM

9. + a million. I feel the same

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Response to bravenak (Reply #1)

Thu Feb 13, 2014, 06:08 PM

41. I remember that evening, it was real bad.

 

I was at a neighbour's and the stupid idiot said something Really Stupid about the case after the Not Guilty verdict and I just about plowed her in the yap. I was shaking.

I'm glad I'm a loner.

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Response to Whisp (Reply #41)

Thu Feb 13, 2014, 06:33 PM

42. I feel you.

 

I just turned everything off and cried for a while. I couldn't watch tv for days because I didn't want to see that idiots stupid grinning fat face.
If it happens again, I'll break my tv.
They should have had a guilty verdict after five minutes. Guilty.

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Original post)

Tue Feb 4, 2014, 12:45 PM

2. I remember when this shooting happened...

 

This guy opened fire on a group of unarmed teenagers bc he didn't like their music. He's just another hateful bigot who is under the impression that being a white male gives him a license to kill.

He gets everything coming to him.

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Response to giftedgirl77 (Reply #2)

Tue Feb 4, 2014, 01:11 PM

6. Hold on tight giftedgirl - I'm going to show you a link from DU

At the time of the murder -

http://www.democraticunderground.com/117288809


*sigh*


Glad you found this corner of DU - welcome! It's not just for AA's here - but for all who can see these things for what they are.

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #6)

Tue Feb 4, 2014, 02:39 PM

7. Trust me I see it....

 

These issues hit very close to home, I grew up in South Florida & am raising 2 teenage sons in SC. I dealt with some scary shit as a teenager/young adult & hate that I'm having to raise my boys with these same fears.

Our children should not have to be in fear of their lives simply because of the color of their skin.

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #6)

Wed Feb 5, 2014, 05:49 PM

10. Oh my God. And wasn't krispos42 a MOD back in the day??!

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Response to Number23 (Reply #10)

Wed Feb 5, 2014, 06:18 PM

11. "What if it were justified"

 

Made me sick. That was the worst response.

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #6)

Sun Feb 16, 2014, 10:31 AM

52. good for you

I was so disappointed and pissed off after the Martin verdict. I sure am glad they at least got him on some counts! Now the judge needs to be pressured to hand down a hefty sentence.

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Original post)

Wed Feb 5, 2014, 06:32 AM

8. February 4th - update from Jacksonville News


Jury selection for the accused is now open to the media!
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/story/news/local/michael-dunn-trial/2014/02/04/dunn-jury-selection-open/5209071/

At the link - pool of 62. 1/3 non white and 15 are women.

Right now there is a chance of arguments beginning this afternoon.


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Response to JustAnotherGen (Original post)

Thu Feb 6, 2014, 08:20 AM

12. "Justifiable Use of Deadly Force"

http://www.cnn.com/2014/02/05/justice/florida-loud-music-murder-trial/


Opening statements are expected to begin Thursday in Dunn's trial. He has pleaded not guilty to first-degree murder in Davis' death and to three counts of attempted first-degree murder for shooting at three teens accompanying Davis. Dunn has told police fear for his safety drove his actions that day.

Though jury selection has lasted three days -- after which the judge is expected to order that the jurors be sequestered -- the trial should proceed quickly and shouldn't last past February 14, two days before what would have been Davis' 19th birthday, said John Phillips, an attorney for the family.

Dunn's attorney, Cory Strolla, said that as of Tuesday evening he had filed no motion to dismiss the charges based on Florida's stand your ground law, which received national attention during the George Zimmerman trial.

"We are relying on Justifiable Use of Deadly Force as an affirmative defense," Strolla said in an e-mail to CNN



Might be breaking the four paragraph rule here - but down a bit in the article there are mentions of the police investigation - this took place after Dunn and his girlfriend kept driving to their chi chi poo poo bed and breakfast where they ordered pizza. . . Yeah - I'm pointing out this cause him absolutely no distress.

Quotes from the Interrogators at the PD:
There are clear-cut cases where you go, 'Yup, sure did, buddy. You defended yourself. Have a nice day.' "

Adds the other interrogator, "Let me be the first to tell you, this ain't one of them."



Three days of jury selection thus far and they still to intend to close the trial next week. Also it's looking like the jury will be sequestered.

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Original post)

Thu Feb 6, 2014, 12:44 PM

13. The Jury is Now Seated

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/story/news/local/michael-dunn-trial/2014/02/05/jury-seated-michael-dunn-trial/5236223/

Strolla focused much of his questioning on political influences and feelings about gun control. Jurors expressed a range of opinions from those who believed there should be no limits on gun control, to one who said she didn't believe guns should even exist. A male juror told Strolla that he chose not to own a gun because he has a son with schizophrenia. "I'd hate to have a Sandy Hook or an Aurora Colorado," he said.

RELATED: Complete coverage of the Michael Dunn trial

Another said she supported guns insofar as "they are easier to clean up after than a machete" -- an answer that drew a huge laugh from the jury pool, and even bailiffs, but caused the parents of Jordan Davis to visibly wince. His mother, Lucia McBath, shook her head slightly and looked away.

Strolla set up a portion of his legal argument, telling prospective jurors that a "two step" rule permits gun owners to keep carry weapons even without a concealed weapons permit, as long as they physically have to transact two steps in order to obtain and unholster their weapon. He reminded jurors that he had no obligation to prove his client's innocence, but that it was the state's obligation to prove guilt




This doesn't bode well for Jordan. . .

Another said she supported guns insofar as "they are easier to clean up after than a machete" -- an answer that drew a huge laugh from the jury pool, and even bailiffs, but caused the parents of Jordan Davis to visibly wince. His mother, Lucia McBath, shook her head slightly and looked away.


He will not be getting a fair shake if that woman is on the jury. Already she thinks it's a laughing matter.

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #13)

Sun Feb 9, 2014, 09:26 PM

14. I agree. They should have all been dismissed and the bailiffs sanctioned. What a joke for a jury.

And I don't mean joke as funny, either. Who's the judge on this?

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Response to freshwest (Reply #14)

Mon Feb 10, 2014, 09:21 AM

15. Judge Russell Healey

You might find this interesting . . . It's from January 31st.

http://jacksonville.com/news/crime/2014-01-31/story/appellate-court-again-overturns-order-judge-michael-dunn-murder-case


Appellate court again overturns order by judge in Michael Dunn murder case

The media organizations requested the phone calls and Healey ruled that they are public record and should be released. But Corey said she would not release the calls until her staff spends about 180 hours redacting them and media organizations pay $6,000 for their time. That is expected to take nine to 10 weeks, according to Corey.

Attorneys for the media went back to Healey and asked him to order the release of the phone calls immediately and to find the $6,000 excessive. Healey declined to rule, saying that the media needs to sue Corey in civil court.

But the appellate court said Healey was wrong to do that, and he should be the one to make the decision. It ordered him to hold an evidentiary hearing and rule on the merits of the media motions.

But the appellate court also acknowledged that with the trial beginning Monday that would be difficult. It recommended that Chief Judge Donald Moran consider appointing another judge, a magistrate or a special master to consider the issue as soon as possible.



You have to answer a two question survey at the Jacksonville News to read the entire article - but it's worth it. This judge was trying to keep the jury pool clean after a 'yikes' moment re the racist phone calls from the jail to Dungheap's family.

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Original post)

Mon Feb 10, 2014, 04:57 PM

16. Prosecutors: Fla. teen’s slaying was premeditated

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Response to Blue_Tires (Reply #16)

Mon Feb 10, 2014, 07:23 PM

17. More than six pounds of pressure

To shoot that gun.

Thank you for updating the thread BT.

My understanding is Strolla (defense atty) put out there in opening arguments that this poor kid had a four inch knife.

Trying to connect the dots - but the ME today said there was no way Jordan was standing up when he is shot.

Having seen a jury from this area in action this summer - I'm going to cross my fingers that they disregard that outright lie from Fibber McGee there.

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #17)

Mon Feb 10, 2014, 07:25 PM

18. I wasn't too pleased to see Angela Corey's name involved in the prosecution

If she fails to get a proper conviction this time around, it should be her job at the minimum...No excuses...

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Response to Blue_Tires (Reply #18)

Mon Feb 10, 2014, 08:01 PM

19. That's why I have no hope

She tried to "connect" during jury selection by laughing about driving into work blasting *I think* Def Leppard.

Defense has two witnesses and should rest their case tomorrow.

If the defense tells that lie about a knife and the prosecution allows it to slide - this guy walks. And Corey being Corey - she will allow them to get away with it.

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #19)

Sat Feb 15, 2014, 05:33 AM

46. She also kept those emails out of the trial. They showed his mindset. n/t

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Original post)

Tue Feb 11, 2014, 12:41 PM

20. "This shit is going down now"

I'm listinening to the Dunn Trial in the background right now . . .

This is what Dunn is saying the guy outside of the car said. And he was already afraid - and then he realized he was not going to forfeit his life.

:jawdrop:

God help us if this jury does not have ONE person who is not jaded and who is not weak - they'll come back in ten minutes and set this piece of shit free.

Unfucking believeable the shit this jury is probably eating up.

But he did just say - Anyone with a gun is deadly.

Hmmmmmmmmmm


Live link here if you want to watch/listen:
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/story/news/local/michael-dunn-trial/2014/02/06/michael-dunn-trial-live-video/5262617/

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Original post)

Tue Feb 11, 2014, 02:26 PM

21. So the Defense and Prosecution have rested their cases

I hate to say it - I will be shocked if he doesn't walk.

That jury is going to fall for his crocodile tears and geek persona.

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #21)

Tue Feb 11, 2014, 02:37 PM

22. I've been watching it...

All I can say is, I fear you're right about that.

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Response to M0rpheus (Reply #22)

Tue Feb 11, 2014, 03:17 PM

23. M0rpheus

I just got out of a meeting and put my earbuds in - and I heard the judge saying "Sorry about that folks we'll reconvene at 3:30".

Something bad happen?

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #23)

Tue Feb 11, 2014, 03:26 PM

24. Nothing major.

They had his fiancé on the stand as a rebuttal witness. She wasn't really holding it together too well. I think this is just to break it up a bit.

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Response to M0rpheus (Reply #24)

Tue Feb 11, 2014, 03:35 PM

25. I'll have to try and find video of that

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #25)

Tue Feb 11, 2014, 03:47 PM

26. She didn't fall out or anything.

But she was definitely emotional on the stand. She was there to impeach his previous testimony regarding his calling his law enforcement friend. They received a call from him shortly after the shooting. He gave no indication on that call that anything happened. This is the same guy he called the next day saying he was in trouble.

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #21)

Tue Feb 11, 2014, 10:02 PM

27. "I will be shocked if he doesn't walk." Please, PLEASE don't tell me that

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Response to Number23 (Reply #27)

Wed Feb 12, 2014, 05:11 AM

30. Look at FW - post 28

We all know he murdered Jordan in cold blood - its clear as day. But unfortunately - this case isn't taking place in the Hunterdon County NJ court house. .

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Original post)

Wed Feb 12, 2014, 03:19 AM

28. Is it 2014? This sounds like 1914. I read part of a blog someone posted today with a description of

what was going on in court. Dunn doing a sob story. The bullshit about him being afraid for his life. It doesn't pass the smell test, anymore than Z!

Let's see, says that this kid said something to him, cursed or had a knife. Excuse the fuck outta me, but Dunn was outside the car. Dunn has a gun with him. His vehicle is fueled up and ready to go. It works, no one is stopping him.

Just where is the balance of power? Were the magic words and the magic knife gonna kill him if he backed away from the kid and the other vehicle, and him having a gun? And he can't go to his vehicle and leave for help?

Just fucking lies and bullshit. And from what I'm reading here of how the court room is beting handled, this bastard is gonna walk! WTF is wrong with these people?

Don't they know the whole nation knows what they are doing? That this is wrong? Are they that fucking arrogant, and dare I say - racist - to think they are going to get away with this?

This is worse than Z, and I was sure he was going to jail. The woman he had molested as toddler thought so too!

This is open and shut, you don't go to a vehicle, start a mess, and not expect to get some pushback. He could have left, for fuck's sake!

But his writings about how the blacks needed to be killed to teach them not to threaten someone is so flipping psycho I don't know how twisted a person would have to be to agree with him. Florida has got something seriously wrong going on down there.

I've never been to Florida, and frankly never wanted to visit. It appears to be some kind of benighted region that can't stop being racist.

Now there is a commissioner that cut off most of the polling places in a minority area, as he says, he wants it as hard to vote a person having to walk 200 miles in Africa!

He said that! In 2014! Damn, I don't know what to say. Just damn it all to hell.

Sorry, but I can't watch or listen to this damned thing in that courtroom. I can't have that in my brain. I'll check back here for whatever turns out to happen.

And it looks like it's going to be just let the bastard go. After all he said. All he did. Just walk away. I wish there was a way to declare martial law on that area and send out a mental health worker to every house and root out this damned racist insanity.

Okay, that's too much, I'll likely delete this later.



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Response to freshwest (Reply #28)

Wed Feb 12, 2014, 05:09 AM

29. Please don't delete this

One, I need to link it for Number23. Two, I started this thread because after Trayvon's trial - it became crystal clear who/what was "controlling" the conversation at DU. This is a spot to say these things.

And yes it's disgusting how that court room was handled. My boss called me into his office yesterday and we shut the door and watched Dunn's testimony. My boss - an almost 60 year old white man who grew up in the NYC area kept saying, "this is utter bullshit!". But we had discussed this case after Trayvon did not get justice and he was sickened by that verdict and pointed out - if those windows had been tinted - it could have been one of his sons . . . Who blast rap music in their car. He cares because "the gunners and bigots are out of control."

If that group of jurors - who during jury selection had a few tee hees about the clean up after gun violence vs other forms of murder have bought his "key words" then he will walk. He's not even using SYG - he had to convince them that his uh - er - 'method' of handling the conflict HE STARTED was justifiable. Sick.

I'll say this though - the people of The Republic of Key West - they are worth visiting if you ever get the chance. I'm convinced we will never hear of this stupidity in their little slice of Florida.

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Response to freshwest (Reply #28)

Wed Feb 12, 2014, 05:29 PM

33. I concur with JAG, please don't delete!

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Response to Number23 (Reply #33)

Wed Feb 12, 2014, 07:16 PM

35. Okay, it stays. But there was a thread last night about 'oversensitvity' as a way of trolling, etc.

Trolling was not the word used there, but it was in that same category, or so I felt. So I'm oversensitive?

I feel it was directed at this group or some other groups, and don't want to cause more trouble than I obviously do. It got Recs, but only a couple of kicks. People that do not post in AA are reading the words here and refer to what is said but do not name names.

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Response to freshwest (Reply #35)

Wed Feb 12, 2014, 07:45 PM

36. I'm kind of a cocky mo of.

Seriously - I might be a bit beat up physically due to an auto immune disease - but I'm tough. I can take it. Let them say that stuff! Know why?

1. They are showing their sorry asses.

2. I can move beyond a sensitive moment - but ugly and rotten to the core go to the bone and last forever.

3. If Prosense, Cha, geek_tragedy, redqueen, seabeyond and a host of other people can take their nonsense - so can I.

Remember - even President Obama dusted the dirt off his shoulders.

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #36)

Wed Feb 12, 2014, 09:32 PM

37. Yes, he did and there has been too much, it's been a disgrace...



What I'm saying is, I hate to bring it to a safe haven like AA. I may have missed hidden posts here or who's blocked, so I don't know how it's been going here since the group was set up here on DU3.

Plenty have showed their asses in the BOG and I've offered to delete threads when members feel bombarded. We've had to post warnings and head threads with 'BOG.'

Always claimed they didn't know where they were, after they dropped their pants and took a dump - not talking the point, just abuse. I don't think that should be in GD, either.

I'll keep following that live blog link I posted and this thread. Now that the jury is sequestered, we won't know what is going to happen.

The trial was very short, IMO.

Did it seem that way to you?

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Response to freshwest (Reply #37)

Thu Feb 13, 2014, 06:36 AM

38. Yes I though it was very short

I don't know if that's because of Corey not really giving a dam - or if because John Guy was so confident.

There is a bright spot to offset the chance of a bad jury - its Guy. He gave it all in Zimpig's trial. He was visibly upset at that press conference. He worked with what he had.

Same here . . . And I think that one detective that the Defense Attorney kept hammering about the Magical Mythical Non Existent Gun - The one that when asked, "Why did you go back to look at ther roof?" answered - "Because I knew you would ask?"

He's banking on that guy.


But if that jury believes this gun nut's Magical Mythical Non Existent gun theory - done.

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Original post)

Wed Feb 12, 2014, 10:37 AM

31. Live link to closing arguments

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #31)

Wed Feb 12, 2014, 07:06 PM

34. Live blogging closing arguments in Michael Dunn trial

http://frederickleatherman.com/2014/02/12/live-blogging-closing-arguments-in-michael-dunn-trial/

For those of us who don't want to see or hear the lies in the Dunn trial or look at that kangaroo jury directly. The author also spent a lot of time on Zimmie:

http://frederickleatherman.com/category/george-zimmerman/

Self-description of the man who writes these:

I am an author, blogger, former law professor, and former felony criminal defense attorney in state and federal courts specializing in death penalty defense, forensics, and complex litigation. I believe in due process, equal justice under law, the rule of law, the Constitution, and the Bill of Rights. I am not now, never have been, and never aspired to be a member of the 1%.

I created this blog to inform and be of service to we the people by demystifying and teaching the law as well as promoting and facilitating a well informed discussion about legal matters.

I believe our country is ruled by greed and our legal and political system has been corrupted and broken by the 1%. We need to fix it and we need to fix it now...


http://frederickleatherman.com/about/

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Original post)

Wed Feb 12, 2014, 05:21 PM

32. All that's left is jury deliberations.

I'm not holding my breath but, I'm hoping for a just result.

Guilty as hell.

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Response to M0rpheus (Reply #32)

Thu Feb 13, 2014, 07:48 AM

39. A couple of the jurors scare the hell out of me, and I am afraid that 2 of them

will hang the whole damned thing up.

But, I am hopeful Florida gets it right this time.

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Response to M0rpheus (Reply #32)

Thu Feb 13, 2014, 05:03 PM

40. Some decent responses about that jury on this thread here:

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Original post)

Fri Feb 14, 2014, 07:38 PM

43. Is the jury sequestered?

They are on break until tomorrow morning. Are they sequestered in a hotel?

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #43)

Fri Feb 14, 2014, 08:11 PM

44. Yes, they are. nt

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #43)

Fri Feb 14, 2014, 08:57 PM

45. Yes they are!

. That means they can't see the video of zdunn's neighbor . . .

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Original post)

Sat Feb 15, 2014, 08:06 PM

47. Dunn guilty 3 counts of attempted 2nd-degree murder. Judge declares mistrial on count of murder

Michael Dunn found guilty of 3 counts of attempted 2nd-degree murder. Judge declares mistrial on the count of murder.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/02/15/justice/florida-loud-music-trial/index.html

A thread with a different title in LBN now:

Fla. Man Guilty Of Lesser Counts In Music Shooting


http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014728974

Not in OP, but at the link:

Jurors could have decided not to convict Dunn on that charge but instead find him guilty on lesser charges such as manslaughter. Or they could have acquitted him altogether on this count.

With the hung jury, State Attorney Angela Corey said prosecutors would press for a new trial in Duval County on the murder charge...

Prosecutor Erin Wolfson explained Saturday night that each attempted second-degree murder conviction carries a minimum sentence of at least 20 years. There's also a 15-year sentence possible on the shooting conviction...

Lucia McBath said -- even without a decision on the murder count tied to Davis, her son -- her family is "so very happy to have just a little bit of closure."


See picture at time of the verdict:



Despite Corey's statement of:

"Justice for Jordan Davis is as important as it is for any victim," Corey said.

I feel she was wrong to disallow the emails. That showed malice aforethought, but I'm not sure that this is the way Florida law states such matters. And as usual, my disclaimer, 'Not an attorney.'

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Response to freshwest (Reply #47)

Sat Feb 15, 2014, 08:41 PM

48. Latest Live Blog for analysis:

http://frederickleatherman.com/

My main hope is he never gets out of jail again. That malice is engrained, he'll never change his mind, he's a menace to society and should be kept behind bars.

Sorry, but there comes a point when there is no point letting a person who justifies killing others all the time run loose and have a chance at shooting at people. I hope this will change the law there, or if not that, change the opinion of those who think they can play God because of a gun, or an accident of nature or fate.

IMO, that is what being born one color or another, one sex or another, in one place or another is all it is. All that stuff is bullshit, the human spirit is not confined by those things.

My joke is, to watch what you say you love or hate. Because if there is such a thing as being reincarnated, what you focus is what you will be in the next life. Just an example of what goes around comes around, not expressing a deep belief there. When I say that to racists, their eyes get big!


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Response to JustAnotherGen (Original post)

Sun Feb 16, 2014, 10:02 AM

49. “Michael Dunn going to jail for missing the 3 other black boys in the car.”

But not for the one he actually killed... smh.

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Response to M0rpheus (Reply #49)

Sun Feb 16, 2014, 10:19 AM

50. I know

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #50)

Sun Feb 16, 2014, 10:27 AM

51. I suppose we should be grateful... or something.

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