Being Called a Racist is Far Worst Than Actually Doing Racist Stuff ...

[1StrongBlackMan]

Example # 2,479,385 ...

His Question:

Are you seriously suggesting that I am somehow opposed to Civil Rights for all people? Really?

My Answer:

You support the racial status quo ... so yes, you oppose Civil Rights for all people (well, can't say all; but can certainly say PoC) ... AND yes, I am seriously "suggesting" it (in that "watch you tone" sort of way).

Result?

On Fri May 9, 2014, 04:19 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

You support the racial status quo ...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4927345

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

"you oppose Civil Rights for all people"? Really? I hate to say this but this was definitely flamebait. Maybe even intentional trolling. Whatever the case, it was certainly hurtful.

JURY RESULTS

A randomly-selected Jury of DU members completed their review of this alert at Fri May 9, 2014, 04:23 PM, and voted 5-2 to HIDE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: This shit is getting out of hand. Hide the post. Lock the thread.
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: It's a call out. TOS violation.
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: The original poster made it clear in two separate statements that he supported civil rights for all. I do not know why this poster claimed he did not, but will go for hide since contradicting something someone genuinely believes is hurtful and insensitive.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: 1WeakRaceCard

CONSEQUENCES OF THIS DECISION

Let me be clear, DU ...

Arguing in support of the racial status quo, including (or better, as exemplified by) using outdated terms and definitions that do not reflect the current state of social science research ... a status quo that one must admit is marked by institutional racism ... IS, at best, picking which Civil Rights of others you will respect and in doing so, IS opposing the Civil Rights of others.

ETA: I fully recognize that this very well might be my swan song ... If so, Peace but Stay Strong.

[Zenlitened]

1. Well, you are guilty of...

...nuanced thinking around the topic of race.

And this is a narcissist's town, we don't much care for that high-falootin' nuance and whatnot in these parts.

None too fond of thinking, neither.

[Scootaloo]

2. Hell, DU gives warm welcome to pretty much all bigotry

It pretends there's no bigotry anywhere unless it's wearing a white hood, riding a horse, and screeching slurs.

At least 3/4 of my own hides come from pointing out the bigotry that flows like piss out of this site.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

5. U2, eh

I know the feeling.

[bravenak]

26. I noticed your dumb hides.nt

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

3. Why would this be your swan song?

Is there something you're saying here that's not allowed to be said on DU?

I think that exchange typifies the problem with the widespread sloppy use of the word 'racist'. When you actually use it in a technically correct way, people get all up in arms because they assume you're using it in the sloppy way and that you think they're a member of stormfront.

I'm white, and even though I'm aware of white privilege, and work to try and minimize the ways in which my own actions contribute to the continuation of racist societal institutions, I'm sure I still unwittingly 'backstop' racism in many ways without a second thought. I'm not consciously a racial bigot, but I still perpetuate certain aspects of racism unconsciously. I participate in a racist society, whether I want to or not. (And unfortunately, of late, we've been working towards 'post-racialism' by treating the majority in ways that are as bad as we treat minorities, rather than treating minorities as we treat the majority. There are two paths to equality, and it's looking like we're heading down the worse of those two paths.)

[Tuesday Afternoon]

4. I took it to mean that he is worried about being banned. Not that he is leaving of his own free will

but, I could be taking it the wrong way and Maybe he really is saying Good Bye of his own volition.

[1StrongBlackMan]

7. That's right ...

If the original post can be hidden, why not this?

[Tuesday Afternoon]

9. oh, It could be but, I don't think Admin will out and out bann you. Honestly, as good businessmen,

they must recognize that controversy helps drive this site.

They will however, let you bounce along the bottom like seabeyond ....

and it appears they will continue to allow the passive/aggressive tone to prevail with Less Hides thus, reinforcing the Silencing of Our Voices through sheer exasperation and frustration with the system now in place on DU3.

Me talk pretty someday

[1StrongBlackMan]

17. I find it interesting ...

"liberals" and "progressive" claim to be about being fact-informed and enlightened; yet, they are happy to accept terms and definitions from pre-civil rights days, as relevant today. But it seems that is only the case when it comes to matters of race.

Would anyone on this site accept 70+ year old terms and definitions when it comes to something like climate change? ... We know that few accept it when it comes to NSA discussions.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

23. I think one of the largest problems

is that in a topic such as this, no matter how much exposure or how little people have, they come in with their own preconceptions. The first time I encountered the notion of 'white privilege', I was among those who were sure people were just being 'too sensitive', in part because the first time I encountered it, one of the examples given was the 'flesh crayon', which struck me as being one of the silliest things ever to get worried about when there were more 'in your face' obvious examples of racial bigotry. But after reading a few more blog postings from people who were taking the time to be patient with those of us who were oblivious to privilege and its corrosive effects on both individuals and society, a light came on, and I began to notice things I'd never had to see before, things I had the privilege not to see if I didn't look for them.

And its an ever-evolving process. Bit by bit, I began to shed the notions of 'race' I'd absorbed from grandparents, schoolmates, pretty much every textbook or novel I'd ever read. But I'll be working on becoming less clueless til the day I die. That's the problem with the bubble of privilege for those inside it. From the inside, it's damned near transparent, even if from the outside it's incredibly obvious. You notice the things you don't have, been never allowed to have, not the things you've always had.

America has never owned up to our original sins, and so we drag them along with us. We don't turn society around and shake it to see what falls out, we force those who are disadvantaged by our institutions to do the heavy lifting of bringing those problems to our attention again, and again, and again, all the while most of those behind the bubble stare blindly out, wondering what people are even complaining about.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

49. Well, you know where I stand on this issue: There are white liberals who are racists and there ARE

racists right here on DU. Take it to the bank. I've gotten into trouble many times for saying it and I will never back down. I've seen it with my own two eyes. I've dealt with it many times here and with some white liberals/progressives/Democrats across the board. Period.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

6. Why did you delete the other OP?

[1StrongBlackMan]

8. Because ...

I didn't like that i focused on the jury rather than my point.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

10. got it. and a very good point it is, too. eom.

[FreedRadical]

11. Wow. Just wow.

You are doing some heavy lifting out there 1StrongBlackMan. I do not have the skill or energy to do what you are doing. I don't comment in threads like that because I will never, in this lifetime, allow someone to tell me this isn't a racist country that white people benefit from and I do not. Oddly I HAVE been called racist many times for point that out. Its called projection.

Thank you for the work you are doing. Really what is happening is, a light is being shed on our country's Hypocrisy. You do that pretty well.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

50. It's the hypocrisy on the political left that needs to be addressed. 1StrongBlackMan knows I'm a

HUGE fan of his! He's doing great work and he does it calmly and intelligently. I don't know how he does it, but he has much more patience than I ever could.

[Maedhros]

12. Appparently some people really are "Ivory Tower Liberals"[n/t]

[1StrongBlackMan]

13. I wouldn't say that ...

I would just acknowledge that it's not just the right feeling insecure about the demographic shift.

[Maedhros]

14. Some people are uncomfortable examining their own prejudices

and prefer to consider prejudice a problem exclusive to their political opponents.

[1StrongBlackMan]

15. True ...

And this is why PoC, largely, distrust many "liberals/progressives."

They prove, over and over, that our fear - once we (PoC) help them accomplish our mutual economic ends, they will jettison us - is well founded.

[Anansi1171]

38. Very well said.

Its like ultimately our place at the table is at times uncomfortable at best and inconvenient at worse.

[Squinch]

37. I think this is it.

[bravenak]

16. Damn!!

I have one where some white dude said something like 'we all know what a nigger is but it's wrong to say it.' So i asked his ass what a nigger was and somebody alerted on MY post. So i figured it out, white dudes can say what they want but if you respond in kind you get the alert.
Let me find it.
Here it is.
Read what he wrote and my question to him and you'll see what i mean.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4887387

[1StrongBlackMan]

18. Yeah ...

I saw it.

BTW ... I loved the EnVogue post! What you know bout grown folks music?

[bravenak]

22. The 90's was my TIME!!!

Adina Howard, Troop, SWV, Xscape, Guy, Envogue, llcoolj j before he was a republican.
I had to do it to the boy because when he says something, all i hear is envogue saying 'your never gonna get it."

[1StrongBlackMan]

28. LOL ...

The '90s! I was just beginning to slow it down ... but couldn't quite do it. There was too much fun to be had.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

21. I hope some one alerted on the jury results even though your post was not hidden

I think DU needs to take a closer look at the ones who voted to Hide It.

[bravenak]

25. I didn't bother, i knew they would say he was right and i was wrong.

And maybe send Skinner to chide me. No thanks!!! After last time i know it's hopeless.
Even though that person who i said wrote something racist admitted that they did write something 'racially insensitive' ( which is the same thing) i was called out by the big boys for saying it.
They even came in here to do it. .
I felt so upset that i almost decided that all the black people and feminists should just let the white dudes do all the talking. To themselves.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

27. I know it is frustrating, bravenak ... and this raises a technical question for me =

I am not sure you would have the ability to alert on those results, would you?

I think only the alerter or a jury member would have the capability to alert. Right?

[bravenak]

29. Thats my thinking on the issue.

Next time i'll ask a juror if they send me the results to alert on them if something like that happens again.
Since it barely stood i decided to just let the matter rest until i needed it. Like now for comparison reasons.
They hate HOF, they hate AA, so we just just merge the groups or start a AA/FEM group. I would buy a star to host that group.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

31. Our experiences on DU3 have been very similiar haven't they. Sort of proves our point doesn't it?

In a backhanded sort of mean-spirited way.

Irony.

Gotta love it.

[bravenak]

32. I have noticed that HOF gets alot of flack for telling the truth.

When i first started here i wondered who was this evil bitter 'seabeyond'. Then i saw. It wasn't her that was evil and bitter, they just can't handle it when she has something to say.
Many similarities between our groups. Same people can't stand us.
Some people are serious haters.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

33. the best gifs are over here.

[bravenak]

34. Wait till morphpeus logs on.

I can't wait to see what gifs he come up with. He puts the gif smash down!!!

[Tuesday Afternoon]

35. oh hells yeah ... a ... gif off ...

[M0rpheus]

39. I have arrived!

[bravenak]

41. Hells yeah!!!

It's hidden post saturday, again.
That gif expresses my mood today perfectly!
I'm all like-

[M0rpheus]

45. I look at juries like this now...

You can fill in the rest, however you like.

[bravenak]

47. Me too.

I just can't take it seriously.

[1StrongBlackMan]

43. So glad you showed ...

That is right on time.

[M0rpheus]

44. I've been here on and off today between errands.

Enough to know the latest BS.

I'm not shocked but, I don't even know what to say anymore.

[CreekDog]

57. after I saw what Skinner said to you

a week later, the Asian Privilege post was allowed to stand, without so much as a comment...

what are we to conclude?

[1StrongBlackMan]

60. What are we to conclude? ...

That it is far worst to be Called a racist, than to actually DO racist stuff.

[Number23]

40. After Skinner made his VERY FIRST appearance in this forum to tell us that calling someone racist

is worse than actually doing something racist, I think we all know the score around here. We've always known but it was nice to have it confirmed.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

46. yes. That is true. I wonder how and if ADMIN realize what a conundrum they have created or,

if they even care.

Somehow, I get the impression that as long as their bills are paid and they can maintain the lifestyle to which they have become adjusted that they really just don't give a damn.

[CreekDog]

58. that made me more discouraged about staying here than anything I've seen before

how does this place not get whiter and less diverse as a result of that statement?

in a party where people of color and other minorities are so vital to the party's success, and where they are the most liberal part of the coalition --to have DU trend the other way?

that's just astounding.

[Number23]

59. I don't think he cares one way or the other, to be honest

If the Dem-hating Libertarians and their pals squat in GD and run the real Democrats off of DU, I honestly don't believe that he could care less. As long as the checks keep flowing.

[gollygee]

19. This is an area

where a good part of DU is tone deaf. Your post should not have been hidden IMO.

[1StrongBlackMan]

20. If for no other reason ...

This is a discussion board ... I was asked a direct question; I provided a direct, explanatory answer.

Or maybe I should have responded:

"No Boss. That ain't what I meant at all! You knows I's gets uppity now and again { ... please don't whip me.}"

I'm starting to feel that way.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

24. And somebody would have then alerted on that too. :P nt

[1StrongBlackMan]

30. You're probably right, but

...., I would've hit the "sarcasm" thingy and made it all right. (or made things much worse.)

[kwassa]

36. I read that post of yours, and agreed with that post of yours.

and I think this jury system on DU is very broken.

It is nothing but a bad joke, with no semblance of reason or justice. Give us back the old moderated system, run by people who actually care about fairness and accuracy.

[Number23]

42. Dear Lord, I hate this place.

I keep taking breaks and then I come back and it's even stupider than it was before I left.

The Glenn Greenwald ass kissing by the same crowd of folks that hate this president and go out of their way to be antagonistic towards black and female posters here has me fuming. If George Will had made those same comments about rescuing the Nigerian school girls -- because let's be honest, that comment is EXACTLY the kind of shit that George Will would say as is the vast majority of other bull shit that comes out of Greenwald - this place would be in flames.

But I guess I should be surprised that the crowd of folks that love Greenwald (a neo-Nazi representing Libertarian) and Snowden (a George Bush loving Libertarian) and can't scream and howl long enough for the good old days when they were able to live comfortably on the backs of black folks and women are doing everything in their power to show us the door. I'm about to let them.

[bravenak]

48. They make me feel like laughing.

Just gif em. They can't handle that.
Use this one-

Or this



One of my favs.



I feel like this all the time.

[Jamaal510]

52. If worse comes to worse,

there's always the "ignore" and "trash keyword" functions. I've had to use those on occasion myself because some of the posts got too nutty for my taste. Thankfully, other posters on here such as ProSense and 1SBM have been putting the so-called "Combustible Hair Crowd" in check so other posters don't have to. Remember--some of them (the Combustible Hair posters) probably post on here with the sole intention of running genuine progressives away and/or demoralizing them.

[sheshe2]

51. And I say to them !@#$%&*)

[JustAnotherGen]

53. Says who?

Irrelevant people with irrelevant opinions that seek attention on the Internet?

Start dismissing them 1strong.

Do it in the third person if you must - but they are dismissed. By me they are dismissed. That will REALLY chap their asses.

[Number23]

54. I'm sorry. I'm to the point now that when that poster gets shown the door

there will be a fiesta of EPIC proportions. At least around here.

[nomorenomore08]

55. "...contradicting something someone genuinely believes is hurtful and insensitive."

Oh, bite me!

Juror #4 can kiss my pasty ass. And I give not one fuck if this results in my second hide - I can take it.

[1StrongBlackMan]

56. Yeah ...

I caught that!

Imagine such a thing happening on a message board? One should also note the complete absence of that argumentation in any other thread. Finally, IT STILL AIN'T ABOUT THE "FEELINGS" OF WHITE FOLKS.