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bravenak

(34,648 posts)
Wed May 14, 2014, 03:13 PM May 2014

You can say the craziest things to black people or about them, and get away with it.

Last edited Wed May 14, 2014, 06:33 PM - Edit history (1)

I have noticed that you can say anything you want to black people in America.
Has anyone had anybody say something strange and ridiculous to them or about black people in general during this White Privilege week? I read something today that just hit home and let me know that there is really nothing we can do to fix this problem. If we say, " hey thats racist", we get a hidden post. But if they say something crazy like- black people are poorer because the men ' leave' their families and black women have too many kids to take care of, it's perfectly ok.
Like this:http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4953402

Read it and tell me what you think, please. Feel free to post crazy things said to you. Any and all Subscribers to AA feel free to post.

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You can say the craziest things to black people or about them, and get away with it. (Original Post) bravenak May 2014 OP
You can say the craziest things to white people or about them, and get away with it. rock May 2014 #1
You know what group you are in? bravenak May 2014 #2
Not in my family JustAnotherGen May 2014 #11
Look at this mess. bravenak May 2014 #12
...And SMH at the random Dr.Dre reference. nt Jamaal510 May 2014 #25
After I told him his shit could be lifted straight from Free Republic he went through and deleted Number23 May 2014 #35
I told him i was going to do it. bravenak May 2014 #46
Horatio Alger BainsBane May 2014 #40
Are you fucking kidding me? JesusMalverde Race Shit for journal JustAnotherGen May 2014 #41
I know right? bravenak May 2014 #47
That's exponentially clueless of him, bravenak.. :( Cha May 2014 #72
Well at least he deleted it. bravenak May 2014 #73
Really.. that's good start. Thanks for schooling Cha May 2014 #74
My pleasure. bravenak May 2014 #75
Oh, that one. I hope you weren't surprised by that response. I sure wasn't. Tarheel_Dem May 2014 #77
I was surprisingly. bravenak May 2014 #78
He's a big fan of the Libertarian dude. You know the one I mean. When I see that... Tarheel_Dem May 2014 #80
Oh my god i think you figured it out. bravenak May 2014 #81
That's my take, too. I'm sure this party doesn't suit some here: freshwest May 2014 #84
Until the '08 primaries, I was naive enough to think that racism didn't really exist among Dems. Tarheel_Dem May 2014 #96
Reading that makes me feel like the RCA Dog Scootaloo May 2014 #89
It will never make sense to you. bravenak May 2014 #91
insensitive nt steve2470 May 2014 #22
Holy crap gollygee May 2014 #3
I thought so too. bravenak May 2014 #4
I think this board needs someone to put on the big kid pants Gormy Cuss May 2014 #5
I guess it does help in the way it lets me know how he?sees us as a group. bravenak May 2014 #6
As a white liberal, it makes me sad to agree with your mother. Gormy Cuss May 2014 #9
I think they think we can be guilted into shutting up. bravenak May 2014 #10
You want to know what I think. boston bean May 2014 #15
I agree. n/t Gormy Cuss May 2014 #19
when half the minority members of DU leave or get flagged or banned... CreekDog May 2014 #99
What Gormy said. Starry Messenger May 2014 #7
Nothing i can do. bravenak May 2014 #8
you had better not shut up! bettyellen May 2014 #21
yeah, they seem to not be able to manage the influx of Libertarian and RW assholes bettyellen May 2014 #20
sexist and racist JI7 May 2014 #13
My fault for engaging. bravenak May 2014 #14
the person doesn't belong on a site like this, i bet he has signed up on the other site JI7 May 2014 #28
Very clever use of the word "seem" JustAnotherGen May 2014 #42
Well i can't prove it. bravenak May 2014 #48
"TBH" sheshe2 May 2014 #104
On the one hand, I almost feel bad that I kind of baited the guy into saying something that upset nomorenomore08 May 2014 #16
It's okay, it takes all types to create change. bravenak May 2014 #17
True. Thanks for looking at it more constructively. I guess I'm just too pissed right now. n/t nomorenomore08 May 2014 #18
that one has a history of very offensive posts , believe me, it didn't take much JI7 May 2014 #29
His posts RE: feminist issues always did seem quite dismissive. So I guess it's not surprising nomorenomore08 May 2014 #30
they weren't just dismissive , they were very offensive and i can remember JI7 May 2014 #33
I don't remember that particular thread. I do remember him being one of the most knee-jerk nomorenomore08 May 2014 #34
I'm angry that happened to you, Bravenak BainsBane May 2014 #23
i would bet most of these also are the ones who make the ugly comments on yahoo JI7 May 2014 #31
I am pretty sure we have some infiltrators. bravenak May 2014 #71
You just made me cry. freshwest May 2014 #86
A good cry?? bravenak May 2014 #87
Yeah, a good, inclusive cry. Thanks, bravenak. freshwest May 2014 #92
You're welcome. bravenak May 2014 #94
If people love Discussionist, great DonCoquixote May 2014 #95
Hot holy shit Number23 May 2014 #24
It's old home week over there BainsBane May 2014 #39
And carrying on about the Evil BOG. They are really showing their contempt there. freshwest May 2014 #108
You like that, huh? bravenak May 2014 #51
Please stay Number23. sheshe2 May 2014 #65
Just saw that the mouth breather that told onpatrol to "get a job" won't be around for three months Number23 May 2014 #26
That one has issues BainsBane May 2014 #36
This is DemocraticUnderground, right? Jamaal510 May 2014 #27
They want to shut people up who make them uncomfortable. nomorenomore08 May 2014 #32
Narcissism BainsBane May 2014 #38
Sense of entitlement gollygee May 2014 #43
That is the irony of all this BainsBane May 2014 #44
Exactly, why not trash by keyword BainsBane May 2014 #37
well you can do it to asians too while linking to any old RW hate site you want. bettyellen May 2014 #45
Saw that last night. bravenak May 2014 #49
Ah, but did you see it today? I think it's a whole lot more interesting today, LOL. bettyellen May 2014 #50
What??? bravenak May 2014 #52
I blew that shit UP. bettyellen May 2014 #53
Good!!! bravenak May 2014 #54
I don't know about admin, but it got past the GD hosts despite the valiant efforts of a few other bettyellen May 2014 #55
I hope they see how this makes them look just like our rivals across the aisle. bravenak May 2014 #56
We do need more young people to get active, especially women and POC. bettyellen May 2014 #57
Until they are forced to listen. bravenak May 2014 #60
no, someone did step up CreekDog May 2014 #100
I'd like to suggest something BainsBane May 2014 #58
Not i. bravenak May 2014 #59
I have and I know others have, and none of us got a response CreekDog May 2014 #101
Said on DU: "Because black people commit all the crimes, maybe there should be more Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2014 #61
oh damn. I am sorry to read that was acceptable here. but I see similar things every day I am here. bettyellen May 2014 #63
Damn straight!!! bravenak May 2014 #67
Here's my response to that poster... Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2014 #62
Good for you. BainsBane May 2014 #64
I just checked, and Jamaal510 May 2014 #66
+1 bravenak May 2014 #68
Two things: Number23 May 2014 #69
Hey there, Number23. Missed ya. Yes, I have been astonished with where DU is going. Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2014 #70
It was all good til the nigras ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #97
The weird thing is BainsBane May 2014 #76
It's the worse when they do it syndrome. bravenak May 2014 #79
I guess the world really doesn't reflect DU. eom. 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #98
That was one of the most blatantly untruthful and racist OPs I've ever seen. freshwest May 2014 #82
I should. bravenak May 2014 #83
This line... "Bill Cosby says..." is an immediate klaxon alarm Scootaloo May 2014 #85
Bill Cosby. Sigh. bravenak May 2014 #88
Hey, could be worse Scootaloo May 2014 #90
The weirdest thing i ever saw. bravenak May 2014 #93
and not JUST black people....women too! VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #102
I missed that thread Warpy May 2014 #103
just... handmade34 May 2014 #105
You're surprised? How much do you think will REALLY change in 50 years? johnlucas May 2014 #106
Thank you for this post. bravenak May 2014 #107

rock

(13,218 posts)
1. You can say the craziest things to white people or about them, and get away with it.
Wed May 14, 2014, 03:20 PM
May 2014

Free speech doncha know.

JustAnotherGen

(31,810 posts)
11. Not in my family
Wed May 14, 2014, 06:22 PM
May 2014

If I made an asshole statement about how all Italian men wear wife beaters and cheat on their wives my husband would go through the roof. Or that they are all socialists (he's not). Or they are all in Ndrengheta - he's not.

I don't know about you - but the white man I live with - I don't speak that way to him.

Where do you live that black women talk nasty to white men and get away with it?

*I'm smiling innocently here but I didn't break TOS*

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
12. Look at this mess.
Wed May 14, 2014, 06:28 PM
May 2014

They have lost it.Response to bravenak (Reply #247)Wed May 14, 2014, 02:11 PM
Jesus Malverde (5,399 posts)
258. meet Dr.Dre

The business story of the week.

"Billionaires in waiting", could be anyone. Unless your race conscious and don't think AA's and women have what it takes. Which is what you sound like.

Anyone can make it.

An African American man can be president, a woman is the front runner to replace him. You'all living in a parallel universe, maybe spend some time watching the "real housewives of atlanta". Might cheer you up


When you get a second, can you figure out what this means. I just lost control.

Did he tell me to 'pipe down' and ' watch Real Housewives of Atlanta'?

Number23

(24,544 posts)
35. After I told him his shit could be lifted straight from Free Republic he went through and deleted
Thu May 15, 2014, 06:18 AM
May 2014

every single one of his posts in that thread, including the one you (brilliantly!!) posted here for posterity.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
46. I told him i was going to do it.
Thu May 15, 2014, 12:47 PM
May 2014

He took too long to delete and he had time, cause i had to eat a sammich to calm my rage.

BainsBane

(53,031 posts)
40. Horatio Alger
Thu May 15, 2014, 06:31 AM
May 2014

Give me a break. Now I see why you mentioned the Real Housewives to me. I wondered what was up with that.

JustAnotherGen

(31,810 posts)
41. Are you fucking kidding me? JesusMalverde Race Shit for journal
Thu May 15, 2014, 07:47 AM
May 2014

Real Housewives of Atlanta! Mother fucker with that shit! Because being an ignorant talentless reality star is something to aspire to? Someone needs to go hunt ducks,

Take from that whatever one will.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
47. I know right?
Thu May 15, 2014, 12:56 PM
May 2014

I think i know what he trying to do, my best friends husband used to say stuff like that to me, call me starkeisha and stuff, but we had a bond. I miss him. RIP

I think people literally think that black people are just like what they see on tv.
I find that strange that he would tell me to watch that particular show to make me feel better about racism. And Dr. Dre? WTF? Who living in L.A. Or Riverside Co. Hasn't met Dre or Ice Cube or somebody famous one time? Stooopid.

I'm glad i responded instead of letting it slide.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
78. I was surprisingly.
Fri May 16, 2014, 02:31 AM
May 2014

I figured with a name like that maybe he had a bit of sense, but i had never really noticed him before. He thought it was cute.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,232 posts)
80. He's a big fan of the Libertarian dude. You know the one I mean. When I see that...
Fri May 16, 2014, 02:45 AM
May 2014

states rights crap posted here, I know exactly where the conversation will eventually wind up. I don't interact with him. Sadly, I think we've become surrogates for the blind hatred of President Obama. They say the hurtful things to us, they wish they could say to him.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
81. Oh my god i think you figured it out.
Fri May 16, 2014, 02:52 AM
May 2014

I don't mind taking some for the team. I do not think he will be playing those games with me anymore. I did warn him not to ever use another rich black person to make a stupid ass point again.
Libertarian. So many of them i just can't guess with out clues.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
84. That's my take, too. I'm sure this party doesn't suit some here:
Fri May 16, 2014, 03:42 AM
May 2014


And I agree about some wanting to say hateful things to Obama, but really, most people are not on his level. So they take it out on others here, and expect us all to bow down, or something.



To me, this is beautiful. If they want to throw us under the bus, there may be so many of us that we'll tip their bus over when we stand up.

Just sayin'

Tarheel_Dem

(31,232 posts)
96. Until the '08 primaries, I was naive enough to think that racism didn't really exist among Dems.
Fri May 16, 2014, 12:58 PM
May 2014

Boy, was I surprised. And you're right, the party comes to a halt when you dismiss it's most loyal constituency.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
89. Reading that makes me feel like the RCA Dog
Fri May 16, 2014, 04:09 AM
May 2014

Head tilted at the phonograph horn, going "I hear some shit, but I have no idea what the fuck is even...?"

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
91. It will never make sense to you.
Fri May 16, 2014, 04:40 AM
May 2014

I'm just going to use gifs to make my point with those types.
I do laugh at them. It's fun.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
6. I guess it does help in the way it lets me know how he?sees us as a group.
Wed May 14, 2014, 04:31 PM
May 2014

It was like watching Ann Coulter explain things. I called my mom and she just said thats how white liberals see black people.
She votes but hates politics. I see why. She's laughing at me for not knowing this already. She DID try to warn me.

Gormy Cuss

(30,884 posts)
9. As a white liberal, it makes me sad to agree with your mother.
Wed May 14, 2014, 04:49 PM
May 2014

Last edited Wed May 14, 2014, 05:20 PM - Edit history (1)

I've known too many middle and upper income white liberals who are comfortable with the notion that THOSE PEOPLE cause their own problems and thus society doesn't need to examine its own role in the lack of success. It's also comforting to the same liberals to point to one of THOSE PEOPLE who has done well as an example of bootstrapping.

As a former public policy researcher I have more tools than most to refute these notions but it's frustrating as hell.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
10. I think they think we can be guilted into shutting up.
Wed May 14, 2014, 05:11 PM
May 2014

If they can make it our fault then they don't have to DO anything about it. Better hope the republicans stay openly racist and never push good policy. Otherwise we'll flip back again to the republican party. I will avoid that poster in the future.

boston bean

(36,221 posts)
15. You want to know what I think.
Wed May 14, 2014, 09:13 PM
May 2014

They use class, and accuse others who discuss other issues of dividing the party.

This accomplishes two things. First it paints a picture that it is we who are the outsiders to our own party and there to disrupt. Second it allows them once again to put the issues of others off. They want theirs and anyone who points to something else, is the enemy, as they feel they need us to solve that issue, but we don't need them to help solve ours. I can't stand this class is the only thing harming us and you saying anything else does is dividing us. It's pure bull shit.

I often wonder if they realize how right wing their arguments sound. What do they think right wingers say about class issues?

People are born rich, they can't help it, what do you expect them to do, give up something?
Why do you think rich people who worked hard have to do anything or even acknowledge these disparities. It's not their fault they have $$.
Your just trying to divide the country along class lines.
We're all equal.

All of this gets down to the same point of a denial of the disparity that exists outside of ones ambition and hard work. Yeah, they see that clearly when it comes to class, but race and gender, eh not so much.

CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
99. when half the minority members of DU leave or get flagged or banned...
Sat May 17, 2014, 08:15 PM
May 2014

well, that's how it happened last time.

i sure as hell hope the wait isn't as long, and that the numbers we lose aren't as large this time.

but i have a sense that it will actually be much worse this time, because there is a determination to have what is considered racism subject to a majority vote of those who participate in jury decisions.

the Asian stereotyping post being left up when it linked to a known racist and race baiter, with language and tones much like those used in anti-Semitic screeds, I'm just shocked that it's completely left alone.

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
7. What Gormy said.
Wed May 14, 2014, 04:31 PM
May 2014

There is a failure of leadership going on on this website. You can't say you are for social justice and then replicate, or allow to be replicated, a system of oppression.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
8. Nothing i can do.
Wed May 14, 2014, 04:33 PM
May 2014

Do not want another lecture from Skinner for calling something racist that was racist.
I'll just shut up.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
21. you had better not shut up!
Thu May 15, 2014, 12:21 AM
May 2014

don't let me down now.
Many here do share your disgust. More than you know.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
14. My fault for engaging.
Wed May 14, 2014, 08:23 PM
May 2014

I know better. Funny how the ones who i figured were sexist seem racist too. I guess they go hand in hand.

JI7

(89,247 posts)
28. the person doesn't belong on a site like this, i bet he has signed up on the other site
Thu May 15, 2014, 06:00 AM
May 2014

and will spew much more ugly stuff.

JustAnotherGen

(31,810 posts)
42. Very clever use of the word "seem"
Thu May 15, 2014, 08:07 AM
May 2014
Things can indeed "seem" one way - without one being accused of accusing one of actually being that way.

nomorenomore08

(13,324 posts)
16. On the one hand, I almost feel bad that I kind of baited the guy into saying something that upset
Wed May 14, 2014, 09:55 PM
May 2014

so many people. On the other hand, I'm glad he showed his true "colors."

Shhh... don't tell anybody... but I'll see if I can find a way to get him PPR'd.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
17. It's okay, it takes all types to create change.
Wed May 14, 2014, 10:00 PM
May 2014

We need to work on people like that most of all. Better to keep them here where we can keep an eye on them, then to let them out in the wild.
If we can get to that one and fix some of those issues, we can fix anything.

JI7

(89,247 posts)
29. that one has a history of very offensive posts , believe me, it didn't take much
Thu May 15, 2014, 06:04 AM
May 2014

for him to put it out there.

nomorenomore08

(13,324 posts)
30. His posts RE: feminist issues always did seem quite dismissive. So I guess it's not surprising
Thu May 15, 2014, 06:07 AM
May 2014

that he'd be racially insensitive as well.

JI7

(89,247 posts)
33. they weren't just dismissive , they were very offensive and i can remember
Thu May 15, 2014, 06:14 AM
May 2014

one poster who was very likely an abuser who got banned after writing a very disgusting post that many called him out on including many who usually are not supportive of feminists on this site. but that one agreed with that person.

nomorenomore08

(13,324 posts)
34. I don't remember that particular thread. I do remember him being one of the most knee-jerk
Thu May 15, 2014, 06:16 AM
May 2014

MRA-ish types on here though, which is bad enough.

BainsBane

(53,031 posts)
23. I'm angry that happened to you, Bravenak
Thu May 15, 2014, 01:54 AM
May 2014

I'm angry about all of this. For me it's come down to some unpleasant realizations about what some people around here are. They aren't interested in being anyone's "ally," and their claims of desire for unity are bullshit. We don't exist as human beings to them. That thread claiming if you care about white privilege or rape you're a Koch paid shill shows an astounding level of delusion and self-centeredness. America has grown increasingly reactionary, and that is most evident on issue surrounding racism. The worst of what is said here is as bad as it gets, and the more ordinary stuff isn't terribly pleasant either. I have learned I have no more in common with them than I do any random person on a Yahoo site. I am sorry people like that even exist on this planet let alone claim to be Democrats.

JI7

(89,247 posts)
31. i would bet most of these also are the ones who make the ugly comments on yahoo
Thu May 15, 2014, 06:07 AM
May 2014

and other sites which are more open.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
71. I am pretty sure we have some infiltrators.
Thu May 15, 2014, 09:51 PM
May 2014

Some of the things i hear are straight outta fox news. I'll see a clip of some bull, and next thing i know somebody is on here pushing the same fox news line. Not all of them are real and the goatfkers take pride in stacking up a high post count over here.

I notice too that it's men. Scared of losing their place at the top and trying to hold on to their status. After centuries of being catered to, petted, and being in charge, they are suddenly outnumbered. But not out gunned. And they want us to see that they will do anything to keep what they got.

I find the ones that like to deflect the funniest. So upset that i never really include white women in the privileged category. I don't think that white women are privileged except for the fact that they are rarely harassed by cops. Much less than black men or white men. So are black women, harassed less than men.

They forget that while they were reaping the benefits of free white and over 21, white women were not free. They were basically owned by their men and sometimes sold to others. Yes sold. Like property. Daughters sold to old rich yuckers, for status. Taught to please and serve men, lacking proper education to keep them stupid and home. Not allowed to open a bank account or buy a train ticket. I feel a kinship with white ladies. While we were beaten in the fields, they were quietly abused inside. Less harsh but still, abuse is abuse. They want to separate us from you, but as women we just can't do that. We have the same wants, needs, fears, hopes, how can they divide us if we are one? And we are, and we always will be.

So i smile when they say white women privilege and laugh inside while think of our sisters fighting in the streets for the vote, roughed up, and thrown in paddy wagons. Some privilege.

They are in the last gasp phase and we have to just let them go through the changes involved in losing power over others. It must be hard, but it has to get done.

We have the numbers, we have the vote, we have the world.

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
95. If people love Discussionist, great
Fri May 16, 2014, 05:17 AM
May 2014

But on the other hand, the archangels of paranoia are going "You know people don't wanna be polite no more, and both sides will be letting the racism loose come 2016."

Number23

(24,544 posts)
24. Hot holy shit
Thu May 15, 2014, 02:43 AM
May 2014

I'm just... done. These Snowden worshiping, Greenwald loving, Obama hating dumb asses can have this joint.

I didn't think ANYTHING could be worse than the post from a white man telling onpatrol that she needed to "get a job" as if he knows shit about her. These folks have absolutely NO qualms about saying shit about black people as if they know one fucking thing about ANY of us. And truth be told, on the REAL Real here, the vast majority of us in this forum are 10 times smarter, more educated, more successful more well traveled than any of these basement dwelling hicks will ever be in their fucking lives. Hell, I'm sure that they know it too.

And to think the admin created another web site with even shittier "moderation" than this one. I'd love to check that shit out. Be like hanging out with the damn Klan.

BainsBane

(53,031 posts)
39. It's old home week over there
Thu May 15, 2014, 06:29 AM
May 2014

For all the ones already banned. So you've got the guys whose misogyny and other bigotry was so bad, they actually got tossed off this site, over there with the ones complaining about the horrible HOF and white privilege threads. I'm actually hoping it will serve as a safety value for some of the ones over here. They can set up shop over there and carry on unfettered.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
51. You like that, huh?
Thu May 15, 2014, 01:05 PM
May 2014

Good stuff. I felt like throwing up, but i held it back. Didn't even use the puke emoticon.

The get a job dude....... Why is that man so angry at us??? What did i ever ask him for? He went on a wild tear through the place yesterday. I logged out and logged back in to see if i was tripping, and there was the Housewives post in My Posts, i checked it out. Pissed!! Thats all i have left.

Proved the point of the privilege argument. It's cool to generalize negatively about us, but not cool to say that we are treated poorly or like and underclass by using words that generalize. I am dumbfounded.

sheshe2

(83,744 posts)
65. Please stay Number23.
Thu May 15, 2014, 07:59 PM
May 2014

This place has become unbearable for AA and women. I am well aware of that. What has been said troubles me in many ways.

Harmony Blue

224. To be blunt prvilege has nothing to do with the fact

that single mothers are on the rise in our country and children simply don't have two parents to help raise them. Also a single mother must work more hours to raise children compared to a household that has two incomes to pull from. The government is tight on money and more and more men (especially black men) are incarcerated for not paying child support whether they are they father or not (biological). Straight Black males have walked away from father hood because there are no role models to look to for inspiration anymore and the entertainment media portrays them as fools. Bill Cosby I rarely agree with but he has talked about how there have always been strong black role models to look to but instead of focusing on black achievement the focus has shifted now.

The black community has the same issues as the LDC of the world in that that birth control education is lacking and that having a lot of kids reduces your spending power simply put. This cycle is difficult to break but it starts at the school level or more specifically public education levels.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4953402

One thing they say is there are no role models for black males. On Democratic Underground I guess our duly, twice elected President is not considered a role model. Sadly he is beneath contempt for many here. Oh they scream "we are holding his feet to the fire, he told us to!" That is utter bullshit, it will never ever matter what he has accomplished, it will never ever be enough! The fact that we need a protected group on DU, The BOG to appreciate this President and his accomplishments is telling. The fact that the BOG is ridiculed and slandered without censure is once again letting the cat out of the bag. IMHO most of the hatred of this President is that he has the audacity of "Presidenting" while black. And again IMHO, he is doing a damn fine job of it! He has brought a sense of dignity and honor to this nation.

Something else too, DU has become "from said true progressives" a rather blind group in their criticisms.

The black community has the same issues as the LDC of the world in that that birth control education is lacking and that having a lot of kids reduces your spending power simply put. This cycle is difficult to break but it starts at the school level or more specifically public education levels.


Hmmm really? Well why is birth control lacking? It starts at the school level? Really, that's it? Our "true progressives at DU refuse to acknowledge the war on women that the GOP is waging. They cut PP and restrict women obtaining needed healthcare. They are making it harder to get birth control. We are sluts if we take it and stupid takers if we conceive with the lack of birthcontrol.

I do not blame you for wanting to leave, yet please do not. We need you here. You are not alone, there are so many good people that have your back.

Half the time I feel more comfortable and at home here in AA than in GD.



Number23

(24,544 posts)
26. Just saw that the mouth breather that told onpatrol to "get a job" won't be around for three months
Thu May 15, 2014, 02:55 AM
May 2014
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=108571&sub=trans

Though to be honest, the fact that he's still here at all is absolutely astonishing. She talked about it here http://www.democraticunderground.com/11875083#post136 and we've barely seen her around since. If she left and didn't look back, I wouldn't blame her one damn bit.

BainsBane

(53,031 posts)
36. That one has issues
Thu May 15, 2014, 06:22 AM
May 2014

I don't know what's up, but he just appeared on my radar a couple of days ago. He is so angry. All of those hides are from the last few days. What was he doing with all that anger before then? I hope they take a seriously look at his posting history during this flagging period.

Oh yeah, he's got absolutely no part in privilege or discrimination. None at all.

Jamaal510

(10,893 posts)
27. This is DemocraticUnderground, right?
Thu May 15, 2014, 03:09 AM
May 2014

OK...just making sure that this isn't DailyPaul after I read that post you linked to (and others like it). These past few weeks have been disturbingly revealing, to say the least. Not once did I ever expect to hear posters on a site dedicated to progressives essentially tell others to pipe down about issues that affect disadvantaged groups in society.
What is a head-scratcher to me is if these race/gender/sexual orientation threads bother them so much, why must they continue to post in them? Skinner made the "trash thread/keyword" and "ignore" functions for a reason. They could easily go along with one of those options, and this place can go back to being more peaceful. It's not like anyone is holding them at gunpoint and forcing them to click on a thread about privilege, for example.

nomorenomore08

(13,324 posts)
32. They want to shut people up who make them uncomfortable.
Thu May 15, 2014, 06:09 AM
May 2014

It's another manifestation of their narcissism and (apparently) outsized egos.

BainsBane

(53,031 posts)
38. Narcissism
Thu May 15, 2014, 06:26 AM
May 2014

That word has come to me so many times this week. I haven't wanted to call anyone a narcissist directly because juries let me get away with nothing, but I have posted a couple of paintings of Narcissus. It really is phenomenal.

I have consciously decided I will no longer give a fuck about them. They don't give a fuck about me and people and issues I care about, I will return the sentiment.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
43. Sense of entitlement
Thu May 15, 2014, 09:10 AM
May 2014

That's something that can come from privilege. A sense of entitlement that things be the way they want them to be.

BainsBane

(53,031 posts)
44. That is the irony of all this
Thu May 15, 2014, 10:32 AM
May 2014

While bemoaning privilege, they give the most blatant and stunning demonstration of it imaginable.

BainsBane

(53,031 posts)
37. Exactly, why not trash by keyword
Thu May 15, 2014, 06:24 AM
May 2014

but it's not enough to simply ignore stuff they don't like. They feel they have to control the subject matter EVERYONE talks about.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
45. well you can do it to asians too while linking to any old RW hate site you want.
Thu May 15, 2014, 12:30 PM
May 2014

as long as the hosts have interpersonal issues to deal with, they can't be arsed to do anything around here. Because that would be cooperative, or mean making difficult decisons. Can't have that!

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
49. Saw that last night.
Thu May 15, 2014, 12:59 PM
May 2014

Somebody needs to step up to the plate and make a good decision. Bunch of waffles!!

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
54. Good!!!
Thu May 15, 2014, 01:10 PM
May 2014

That was some jacked up bull right there. And it stood the jury test and the admin test. Why?

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
55. I don't know about admin, but it got past the GD hosts despite the valiant efforts of a few other
Thu May 15, 2014, 01:21 PM
May 2014

hosts. I am very proud of quite a few others for trying to do the right thing.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
56. I hope they see how this makes them look just like our rivals across the aisle.
Thu May 15, 2014, 01:27 PM
May 2014

I keep wondering if both partys are promoting these ideas, where do women and minorities go? Start a new party? Or kick the racists out? We did it before....
And anyone who even thinks about saying we need to pipe down so that we can bring more old republicans in, shut up.
No. We do not need any more bigots in the party. Demographics will take care of that problem by natural causes. They need more minorities and women in their party, and will not get them unless we drive our to them.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
57. We do need more young people to get active, especially women and POC.
Thu May 15, 2014, 03:10 PM
May 2014

Wondering how long the PTB of the party will choose to ignore that.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
60. Until they are forced to listen.
Thu May 15, 2014, 05:28 PM
May 2014

Probably after we lose an election and participation falls among those groups. Always too late.

CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
100. no, someone did step up
Sat May 17, 2014, 08:33 PM
May 2014

they stepped up and told you to be quiet and not call something racist.

i realize there's this thought that someone is going to step up and put a stop to all this, but that seems unlikely given that the one response was to tell the complainer to be quiet.

i'm just kind of incredulous.

BainsBane

(53,031 posts)
58. I'd like to suggest something
Thu May 15, 2014, 03:22 PM
May 2014

You might consider:
I think it could be helpful if this group got together to write Skinner a PM (PM or ATA question) about how you feel about this latest behavior on DU and reference the most overt offensive comments in particular. This should not stand.

I'm suggesting this because someone told me that he does respond to pressure.

CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
101. I have and I know others have, and none of us got a response
Sat May 17, 2014, 08:38 PM
May 2014

based on that and the unsolicited response that Bravenak got, I think we have our answer.

my only hope is that minds change and that can change the answers too.

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
61. Said on DU: "Because black people commit all the crimes, maybe there should be more
Thu May 15, 2014, 05:32 PM
May 2014

stringent gun laws". Had it not been for my posting of BCS statistics, articles, Tim Wise diatribes, this person would not have been checked. What is more heartbreaking for me is that no one alerted the post; no one found it offensive or racist.

And yet, I proclaim--without ever backing down--that some of the worst racists are white liberals; or, that there are racists in the Democratic Party and right here on DU and I get all kinds of self righteous responses and had my post hidden.

The fact that people can say/write the most ridiculously offensive and outrageous things about blacks and are never held accountable for that on DU showed me a lot, and that was one of the main reasons why I left.

And I don't care what anyone says: I believe that the vitriol and hyperbolic reactions directed at this president has something to do with his race, whether unconscious or deliberate racism. I believe that many people say and do things that are incredibly racist and not even realize it. I think unconscious or psychological racism plays a huge role in how this president has been treated and how people of color have been treated in general. And by the way, I think unconscious racism is also at work in the way so many here are outraged by the discussions about "white privilege". That they cannot see--or refuse to understand--the concept of white privilege speaks volumes in my view.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
67. Damn straight!!!
Thu May 15, 2014, 09:03 PM
May 2014

I see it here all the time too. More and more lately.
The thing that pisses me off the most is that if i say something, i get told i am the one in the wrong.
I call it soft JC.
It's okay to say the most terrible shit as long as they pretend that they're 'big thinkers'. Say black men are dirt bags that 'leave' their families, it's cool, say white people, so many angry people trying to call reverse racism without saying the words.

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
62. Here's my response to that poster...
Thu May 15, 2014, 05:40 PM
May 2014

This is actually WRONG!!! The rate of out of wedlock births among ALL races has declined, and especially for black girls and women.

In fact, the most recent PEW statistics show that black women are entering college at a faster rate than any other group, including white men and women.

Further, black women are earning college and advanced degrees in numbers greater than we've ever seen in the last decade.

Yes, there is high percentage of existing children without two-parent homes. Of course. But to blame social ills on black women having children who aren't married is just...

I'm at a lost for words. What you have written here is not only racist, it's simly disgusting and you should be ashamed of yourself. But, of course, your post won't get hidden. Doesn't matter how offensive and hurtful your statements are that there are black DUers here who are highly offended. Doesn't matter. Nothing will happen to your outrageous post.

Sick!

Just had to say that.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
69. Two things:
Thu May 15, 2014, 09:31 PM
May 2014

Welcome back, baby!!

And that post was a thing of beauty. Absolutely spot on.

Gotta love this "Democratic" web site, huh? The admins must be so proud that their web site is the literal other side of the coin of Libertarians R Us.

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
70. Hey there, Number23. Missed ya. Yes, I have been astonished with where DU is going.
Thu May 15, 2014, 09:43 PM
May 2014

I'm hanging in there, though.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
97. It was all good til the nigras ...
Fri May 16, 2014, 04:26 PM
May 2014

started getting down-right uppity and all them guilt-ridden agitators started encouraging them ... Up til then, it was all libertarian matters, all the time!

BainsBane

(53,031 posts)
76. The weird thing is
Fri May 16, 2014, 02:05 AM
May 2014

racist stuff is getting hidden more easily at the new site. Conservatives are getting hides for saying basically the same thing some of these so-called liberals on DU say and get away with.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
82. That was one of the most blatantly untruthful and racist OPs I've ever seen.
Fri May 16, 2014, 03:21 AM
May 2014

I was wondering why in the hell I hadn't put that poster on Ignore already.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
85. This line... "Bill Cosby says..." is an immediate klaxon alarm
Fri May 16, 2014, 03:45 AM
May 2014
BRAAAAAAAZZZZZT! BRAAAAAAAZZZZZT! BRAAAAAAAZZZZZT!

You immediately know the person taking refuge behind cosby is going to say some racist shit; it's okay because a black guy said the racist shit, first!

I'm still baffled by the guy near the top of the thread who thinks he only has to pay bills because he's white. WTF?
 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
88. Bill Cosby. Sigh.
Fri May 16, 2014, 04:02 AM
May 2014

I wish he wouldn't. But he does it anyway.


The bills thing? Sheeit, somebody (on break)told an AA poster to get a job, and stay out of jail or something.
At least all i got told to do was go watch real housewives of atlanta. Because, you know, ALL black women LOVE that show.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
90. Hey, could be worse
Fri May 16, 2014, 04:25 AM
May 2014

Black people never seem to have to put up with the bullshit Natives do. You know the line...

"I'm 1/64th Cherokee, so... (insert Bundy-esque "let me tell you 'bout them injuns" bullshit here)." See... well... every thread about the Redskins, you'll find dozens of these sort of posts.

I honestly find it fascinating, the sort of shit that goes on on DU.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
93. The weirdest thing i ever saw.
Fri May 16, 2014, 04:48 AM
May 2014

They decide it's cool for the whole race just because their great great grandpa was 1/4 cherokee. WTF? Makes no sense. I never say anything except it's racist, but as you know i find quite a bit of stuff racist.

At first i would just quietly read all those threads and just laugh at how much self congratulations people give themselves on being enlightened and above it all. And the frustrated responses giving facts.
Now look at me. Wasting my energy. LOL!!


Just realized that i'm the dumb one for bothering!
Like talking to King Doctor.

Warpy

(111,245 posts)
103. I missed that thread
Sat May 17, 2014, 08:46 PM
May 2014

which is a good thing because that POS wouldn't like the answer he was going to get.

I'm sorry you're having to put up with that . Alerting on the post as not just racist but outrageously so would have been the thing to do. I'd do it now if it wasn't such an old post.

Just know that only stupid people think in such destructive stereotypes and yes, he told me much more about himself than he did about any black person here or anywhere else.

Take heart from the number of replies he got that tried to bash him with the clue-by-four. I doubt he'll be tolerated here much longer.

You do sort of have to admire the colossal hubris it takes to post a pity party for white males in a weird sort of way. Or not.

 

johnlucas

(1,250 posts)
106. You're surprised? How much do you think will REALLY change in 50 years?
Sat May 17, 2014, 11:44 PM
May 2014

The United States of America was SPECIFICALLY founded upon subjugation of the African peoples for financial gain.
The entire political party system is ROOTED upon Black People & Monetary Interests.
That is the engine of the American system.
This is how the machine works. Why would you expect anything different?

I wrote a whole post detailing the long history of this phenomenon.
It was called A long story about The Southern Strategy.
The Southern Strategy is MUCH older than 1964.

We have been dehumanized.
That is the only way a human being can justify abuse & mistreatment to another human being.
Human beings are PROGRAMMED to NOT harm another human being UNLESS he/she can see you as other than human.
It is activated in the mind & expressed through language.
The Enemy. That Bitch. The Infidel. You Dirty Dog. That Creep. That Freak.
The Perp. That Thug. The Consumer. Collateral Damage. Those Lazy Moochers.
Those Punks. Those Brats. Those Fossils. That Trash. You Monster.

Any word whether outright slur or not that doesn't denote a human being in an outright or familial sense is used to transform the mind's eye.
Once that's transformed the mistreatment can be justified.

It's only been 50 years, bravenak.
What did you expect?
You REALLY think this inherently racist culture will dispel those mentalities in that short a time?
America was FOUNDED on our dehumanization, bravenak.

You thought you had a safe ground here at Democratic Underground?
No buddy. Old habits die hard.
The rewards are too great.
Half-a-century can't undo half-a-millenia.

Do like The King says & grow that rhinoceros skin*.
You're gonna need it to survive this place.

{*To hear the quote I'm talking about start at 1:46}



Always put your best foot forward & treat others the way you want to be treated.
Be that leader. Live that example.
But don't be surprised when it's not returned.
ALSO don't be surprised when your best foot forward inspires others to walk WITH you.

But trust me this is a slow process.
Half-a-century ain't gon' match up against half-a-millenia.
John Lucas
 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
107. Thank you for this post.
Tue May 20, 2014, 12:27 AM
May 2014

You are right. I think this is the last generation that will have to suffer so much. We need to be a majority minority nation. I think thats the only way to end this.

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