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Auggie

(31,163 posts)
Thu Jan 8, 2015, 11:56 AM Jan 2015

49ers Kaepernick to work with Kurt Warner offseason. Goal: "reflexive recall."

Kaepernick will spend part of his offseason working with Warner, 43, a two-time NFL MVP, at EXOS training facility in Phoenix, said his agent, Jason Bernstein.

The work with Warner will occur a few days each week and will place a large emphasis on the mental aspects of the position, such as film study. Kaepernick, who will leave for Arizona next week, will also work on the field with a group that includes quarterback coach Dennis Gile, 34, who played in the CFL and Arena League.

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"It takes somebody willing to do the really boring, tedious work that’s most of the time April, May and June," (former 49ers QB Steve) Young said. "It really is four hours a day in front of the chalkboard, film room, going over, over and over and over. And really getting to the point where you have reflexive recall. That’s the goal …"

"It’s boring. I mean, who wants to look at all the coverages and talk about what we do on each play based on each coverage? And about what motion does to the coverage, and how to read safeties from the beginning of the snap and follow them, and how protections limit what you can do here or there?"

FULL STORY: http://www.sfgate.com/49ers/article/Kaepernick-to-work-with-Kurt-Warner-in-offseason-6000075.php


Young goes on to to say he believes mobile quarterbacks tend to not put in the required time because their running ability can bail them out of trouble, and that dual-threat quarterbacks such as Kaepernick and Washington’s Robert Griffin III could dominate if they master the minutiae of the QB position.

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trumad

(41,692 posts)
1. I think Kaepernick is a freak of an athlete ...
Thu Jan 8, 2015, 12:02 PM
Jan 2015

and certainly worth the trouble to coach the bad habits he's picked up the last year or so.

He's got a good throwing motion and a heck of an arm.

He just needs to get use to that pocket.

Auggie

(31,163 posts)
2. Every year, lately especially, there's a Johnny Douchebag who thinks he's the exception ...
Thu Jan 8, 2015, 12:26 PM
Jan 2015

to which classroom study does not apply. I respect Colin Kaepernick a heck of lot for this committment, just wish it could have come sooner. He's a smart guy with, as you suggest, a ton of ability.

What Young says in the link about Kaep and RGIII:

"If they believe, I believe they can be the most dangerous people. I remember telling Michael Vick this — 'You can be the most dangerous player that ever played. Because if you master it, and you can run around like that, they’ll have to change the rules.' So that’s my hook. I try to convince them that it’s worth it."

 

trumad

(41,692 posts)
3. Vick was the most dangerous QB in college.
Thu Jan 8, 2015, 12:30 PM
Jan 2015

I got to see him a couple of times play my Canes in the Orange Bowl. He was Barry Sanders kind of scary every time he touched the ball.

He could have been close to that in the Pros....but the Dog thing messed it up for him.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
8. I agree
Fri Jan 9, 2015, 11:26 AM
Jan 2015

It was unheard of for a QB with pro caliber arm strength & accuracy to also run as fast cornerbacks & receivers. His 4.25 40 at the combine was the fastest ever for a QB in the NFL. I think it still is though RGIII came close with a 4.38 40 though I'm not sure how his knee issues affect that part of his game.

It is interesting he came back a better passer than he was when he was with Atlanta. In a way, QBs like this are better than their passing stats indicate since they are the checkdown man. (easy completion off the flat in-case the play breaks down).

You're right though, he could have been special which I saw glimpses in these 2 games I remember the most

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/200410310den.htm

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/201011150was.htm

a kennedy

(29,647 posts)
12. Like Jay Cutler.......do not know what happened to his quarterbacking skills......
Sun Jan 11, 2015, 03:11 AM
Jan 2015

He stinks.....he needs some coaching also. Now who could he learn under? He needs help and he's not a rookie either.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
13. Kubiak would be the one for the job
Sun Jan 11, 2015, 06:35 AM
Jan 2015

He came to Denver the year Kubiak left for Houston but he's always been inconsistent. Kubiak would be the best one to get the most out of his play and he would be for any team dealing with a struggling QB with high potential.

Brother Buzz

(36,416 posts)
6. Everything changed with Harbaugh's departure
Thu Jan 8, 2015, 03:04 PM
Jan 2015

Kaepernick may have to win that spot back. We'll just have to wait and see who the Forty-Niners tap for coach.

Bottom line: Kaepernick totally knows his season totally sucked and his rocket arm doesn't mean squat if he can't throw accurate or even call plays on time; there were to many times he look rattled and lost. Perhaps this off-season work just may help get his head back in the game.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
7. I agree with Steve Young
Fri Jan 9, 2015, 11:11 AM
Jan 2015

but as a Cardinals fan I prefer facing quarterbacks that go down when Dlineman get into the backfield. I hate it when the play is defended perfectly only to see the QB run for an easy first down, I can't think of much else that is more frustrating. I'll take my chances with any pocket passer with the exception of Manning, Rodgers, and to a lesser extent Drew Brees and Tom Brady.

Warner would probably be about the best person to help since he couldn't much else. Understanding the coverage and timing your throw to the open man. Sometimes you do have to let the play develop a little bit. I seen him throw a lot of batted balls by the Dline & throw it to places he didn't expect the defender to be such as James Harrison, for example.

Arizona drafted the fastest QB from the 2014 NFL draft, a QB out of Virginia Tech who broke Bruce Arians school record there for most rushing TDs by a QB. In the 4th preseason game they only used a handful of plays for him--ditched the playbook for the game so I understand why he felt Lindley was the better option but Tebow played better than this guy. I really think they should have stuck with their rookie and went with a run heavy offense. Especially against the terrific Seattle & Carolina pass rushes. I'm not saying it would have changed a whole lot but I felt like the odds favored Logan Thomas Virginia Tech offense.

Lindley's career stats 50.8%, 5.0 YPA, 2 TDs, 11 INTS.

Auggie

(31,163 posts)
10. The emphasis on arm strength and speed is so wrong. Bill Walsh scoffed at it.
Fri Jan 9, 2015, 12:29 PM
Jan 2015

Just look at the results over the past 20 years to wonder why. Nice to hear some sanity for a change.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
11. Lindley had neither but also little else
Sat Jan 10, 2015, 10:20 AM
Jan 2015

It is true Logan Thomas assets were speed & his cannon arm (they tried to run a John Elway play run with against Seattle to the left side and throw to the right side but failed miserably due to the pressure). After the horrible 2012 season, I never would have expect to see Ryan Lindley play quarterback on the field in the NFL, the thought of it even happening never entered my head because it would have seemed so silly to entertain the thought. His first play was a fumble return for a TD, he set the record for most career passes thrown without a TD(which he increased the number this season), Arizona lost a 6-7 game to the Jets.

My point with Thomas is he at-least gave the offensive a chance to move the ball which was something they didn't have with Lindley and meant a temporary run heavy offense was the better alternative (I felt since the conclusion of the St. Louis game) given the circumstances as a temporary bandaid until Stanton became healthy. That is just out of those two options. What is John Skelton doing these days? Hell, Matt Leinart? How about Charlie Batch or Caleb Hanie? Even Tebow would have been better. I'm almost tempted to suggest Jamarcus Russell but I viewed picking up Lindley to save the team would be like picking up Russell to save a team.

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From a fan perspective, when I see Calais Campbell & co bust through the line I like to see QBs go down. Russell Wilson especially (Peterson says he is the most difficult to defend since he isn't looking to run when on the scramble) but other speedy QBs with credible passing ability (though even Troy Smith was frustrating for me as a Cardinals fan but at-the-time he had some good games, hey another to the list of QBs Cardinals could have looked for. Me, passing ability has to priority #1 and if he fails nothing else matters but the difference between the speedy ones and the pocket passers (don't really mean so much elusive pocket passers like Romo/Roethlisberger) is they turn sure sacks into pass attempts or first down runs, it is something you notice easily when watching the Arizona Dline every week, they take down QBs on a routine basis when they're clicking but the guy who can run, shit Cam Newton had back-to-back 3rd down first down runs which would have been sure sacks against most of the QBs (they guy spying him got beat to the outside easily as well)

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I agree with you generally, but facing Russell Wilson & Kaepernick twice each per year is one of the bigger nightmares I experience as a Cardinals fan during the season. Peyton Manning has been a consistent 100% nightmare every time my teams face him, now he plays for my AFC team - Denver. Aaron Rodgers is the same way, Brees is also most of the time. Anyone else and there are very good QBs I'm including, I'd prefer to take my chances against a QB that can't outrun the front 7.

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