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Wed Jun 26, 2019, 12:06 AM

AMC Gremlin vs. Ford Pinto: Who Ya Got?

Shall I compare thee to a summer’s day, compact hatchbacks? You were the hottest thing around until everyone got extremely parched and sunburnt and decided they were done with this shit and couldn’t wait for fall. It’s time to revive the good souls of the AMC Gremlin and the Ford Pinto and let you all decide who shall reign supreme.

Today, we’re kicking things off with two of my most favored hatchback tragedies in car history, the much maligned AMC Gremlin and Ford Pinto. Both experienced a charming rise in popularity, only to fall from grace in some particularly spectacular fashions.

In The Red Corner: AMC Gremlin

The Gremlin was introduced to the world on April 1, 1970 and saw a formidable amount of popularity before it became the butt of everyone’s favorite car-related jokes. Here was the progenitor of the compact hatchback craze—both the Pinto and the Vega were yet to be released. People wanted small, economical cars. AMC was here to deliver.

AMC kinda... tossed the Gremlin together. It were originally just going to re-release an updated version of the Hornet before realizing that people actually dig things that are totally, all-around new. So, AMC chopped down the Hornet down to a more compact size and reworked it into a suave new wedge shape.



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In The Blue Corner: Ford Pinto

Now entering the ring on September 11, 1970: the Ford Pinto! Lee Iacocca wanted a car that could compete with all those damn economy cars rolling in from Japan and Germany, and he wanted it to cost under $2,000. And what Lee Iacocca wants, Lee Iacocca gets.

While the Pinto wasn’t the product of a chopping down of any of Ford’s other vehicles, it did fall victim to an expedited development cycle—what was typically 43 months was supposed to be completed in a mere 25 in order to have the car in showrooms by 1971, Hemmings reports. Not ideal!





More: https://jalopnik.com/amc-gremlin-vs-ford-pinto-who-ya-got-1835704813

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Reply AMC Gremlin vs. Ford Pinto: Who Ya Got? (Original post)
Rhiannon12866 Jun 2019 OP
comradebillyboy Jun 2019 #1
Auggie Jun 2019 #8
Mopar151 Jul 2019 #46
Auggie Jul 2019 #52
Mopar151 Jul 2019 #58
yellowcanine Jul 2019 #60
TexasTowelie Jun 2019 #2
Rhiannon12866 Jun 2019 #3
Bob Loblaw Jun 2019 #17
TexasTowelie Jun 2019 #20
Bob Loblaw Jun 2019 #23
mr_lebowski Jun 2019 #4
Rhiannon12866 Jun 2019 #5
AllaN01Bear Jun 2019 #24
Danascot Jun 2019 #42
True Dough Jun 2019 #6
WePurrsevere Jun 2019 #7
NeoGreen Jun 2019 #9
ChazInAz Jun 2019 #11
NeoGreen Jun 2019 #12
Rhiannon12866 Jun 2019 #32
Mopar151 Jul 2019 #47
Tikki Jun 2019 #10
mgardener Jun 2019 #13
rocktivity Jun 2019 #14
MrScorpio Jun 2019 #15
Rhiannon12866 Jun 2019 #34
murielm99 Jun 2019 #16
machoneman Jun 2019 #18
Ohiogal Jun 2019 #19
JohnnyRingo Jun 2019 #22
EarnestPutz Jun 2019 #25
Auggie Jul 2019 #53
JohnnyRingo Jun 2019 #21
Rhiannon12866 Jun 2019 #33
The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2019 #26
cos dem Jul 2019 #51
customerserviceguy Jun 2019 #27
EarnestPutz Jun 2019 #28
Mopar151 Jul 2019 #48
EarnestPutz Jul 2019 #49
Mopar151 Jul 2019 #50
NBachers Jun 2019 #29
ThoughtCriminal Jun 2019 #30
The Figment Jun 2019 #31
kimbutgar Jun 2019 #35
WinstonSmith4740 Jun 2019 #36
trusty elf Jun 2019 #37
Rhiannon12866 Jun 2019 #39
cos dem Jul 2019 #54
keithbvadu2 Jun 2019 #40
mountain grammy Jun 2019 #38
Hoyt Jul 2019 #59
keithbvadu2 Jun 2019 #41
bluecollar2 Jun 2019 #43
Captain Zero Jun 2019 #44
pecosbob Jun 2019 #45
GP6971 Jul 2019 #55
yonder Jul 2019 #56
Mopar151 Nov 2019 #62
gibraltar72 Jul 2019 #57
Eugene Jul 2019 #61

Response to Rhiannon12866 (Original post)

Wed Jun 26, 2019, 12:43 AM

1. The Ford Pinto the Molotov cocktail of cars.

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Response to comradebillyboy (Reply #1)

Wed Jun 26, 2019, 09:02 AM

8. +1 ... and why I'd take the Gremlin. But this is what I drove:

A great car. On the wish list was a 2.0 L engine and 14" wheels. Though the stock version was still very fun to drive.


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Response to comradebillyboy (Reply #1)

Sun Jul 21, 2019, 03:51 PM

46. Not a bit worse than others of it's era.

I was a GM dealer mechanic then - Chevettes had a major recall with gas tank safety, dreadful brakes & front end. Early production Citations had 14 different "campaigns".
Also did some of the Monza/Vega recalls - like the motor mount which sagged enuff to bind up the steering, and installing upgraded front wheel bearings in the V-8 powered cars.

Ford screwed up badly, in several recalls in that era. And the Mustang II.....

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Response to Mopar151 (Reply #46)

Fri Jul 26, 2019, 06:21 PM

52. Chevettes?

Last edited Fri Jul 26, 2019, 08:27 PM - Edit history (1)

I remember when the Chevette was introduced. My dad worked for a division of GM, and he told me the company's internal memo said Chevette engineering had been a top priority -- GM needed a product to compete with imports and the Chevette was their answer. Good grief -- are you telling us GM couldn't get it right even when they tried?

We seriously looked at it as a second car, but settled on a 77 Buick Regal instead. 350 V8 -- a work horse. I drove it across country a few years later.

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Response to Auggie (Reply #52)

Fri Jul 26, 2019, 06:49 PM

58. A piss-poor try at that

Trans and rear crude, fragile, appear to be Opel leftovers. I did alignments, and DESPISED Chevettes Very limited adkustments, lawnmower - quality control arms, rear brakes.

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Response to Mopar151 (Reply #58)

Fri Jul 26, 2019, 07:52 PM

60. I had a 76 Chevette. Automatic. What a piece of crap.

Put 4 timing belts on it in about 90 thousand miles. Had to replace both front brake calipers because the bleed screws rusted fast and twisted off. Lots of other stupid shit which never happened on any other car I owned.

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Response to Rhiannon12866 (Original post)

Wed Jun 26, 2019, 12:49 AM

2. We did have one Gremlin in our family,

but my father was a Ford Falcon man. We had three 1965 Ford Falcons during my early teenage years.

The first vehicle I drove was a 1966 Chevy II with the under-the-dash air conditioner. It was also the oldest car on campus when I was a college student and I was only one year older than my car.

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Response to TexasTowelie (Reply #2)

Wed Jun 26, 2019, 01:00 AM

3. My Dad was not a car guy, he'd have a company car and would eventually buy it

But when my mother got her first new car, she wanted a Pinto - my Dad said no, because it was "too small." So she eventually got a 1971 Plymouth Duster. And I inherited it 10 years later when she got her second new car (Pontiac Sunbird) and I got my license and she no longer had to drive me to work. I loved that car and was grateful that my Dad talked her out of the Pinto.

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Response to TexasTowelie (Reply #2)

Wed Jun 26, 2019, 03:56 PM

17. We had a '66 Falcon in my youth with "three on the tree".

The name was a great disservice to the bird, for which I did not regain respect until I was in my 30's. My older brother had a '72 Pinto and has a lot of stories about what it took to keep that heap running. He married a woman with a Vega, they've made better car buying decisions since then. Upon retirement of the Falcon, the family "upgraded" to a '72 lemon yellow Maverick, the first car I ever drove (at 14 and unlicensed). The color could not have been more appropriate.

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Response to Bob Loblaw (Reply #17)

Wed Jun 26, 2019, 06:36 PM

20. Of the three Ford Falcons in the family,

two were 1965 while the other was a 1966 model. All of the models were "three on the tree." When they were getting older my father would cannabilize the worst one for parts. Those Falcons were pretty easy to maintain for someone with modest mechanical abilities.

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Response to TexasTowelie (Reply #20)

Wed Jun 26, 2019, 08:01 PM

23. Yeah, I remember "helping" dad

change the oil, plugs, points and timing, there was a lot of room to work under that hood. I enjoyed spending the time with my dad, and it wasn't uncommon for the test drive afterwards to end up at an ice cream parlor with the instructions not to tell mom or the siblings.

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Response to Rhiannon12866 (Original post)

Wed Jun 26, 2019, 02:13 AM

4. One of my dads friends still had a 70's AMC Pacer in the mid 80's and I'll tell ya

Despite being one of THE UGLIEST vehicles ever made, that was a SURPRISINGLY comfy and roomy vehicle ... at least, compared to how it looked from the outside. I'd been in some Caddies that felt smaller.

In college in the late 80's one of my neighbors in student housing had a tricked out old Pinto, with a beefy V8 in it ... it was lowered with stiff shocks and sway bars and I'm here to tell ya ... that thing HAULED ASS, and cornered like a MOFO. I can't tell ya how many times I thought I was gonna die in that thing, but dude knew how to drive it (and how to scare the shit outta me). I thought it was a joke at first but I came to respect that vehicle.

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Response to mr_lebowski (Reply #4)

Wed Jun 26, 2019, 03:12 AM

5. I certainly remember the Pacer!

I used to pick out what car I'd like when I learned to drive, LOL, and I really liked Pacers! I thought they looked pretty cool - and, yes, comfortable! And when I was first working, a woman I worked with bought a used Pacer for her daughter - she brought it to work and let me drive it - I was thrilled!

And I said upthread that when my mother got her very first new car, she wanted a Pinto. But my Dad said no on the Pinto because he thought it was "too small." So she eventually got a 1971 Plymouth Duster - which I was lucky enough to inherit when I finally got my license 10 years later. I loved that car - and was grateful she didn't get the Pinto!

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Response to mr_lebowski (Reply #4)

Wed Jun 26, 2019, 10:26 PM

24. i was just thinking of the pacer .

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Response to mr_lebowski (Reply #4)

Fri Jun 28, 2019, 06:37 AM

42. I had a girlfriend who had a Pacer

It rattled so badly I was convinced that if I looked behind us I'd see parts strew all over the road. But my favorite feature was that if you opened the glove compartment it would dump the entire contents on your feet.

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Response to Rhiannon12866 (Original post)

Wed Jun 26, 2019, 04:43 AM

6. Aesthetically, neither is pleasing to the eye

Some might even say they're butt-ugly. But if one just applies the right color scheme, the most undesirable automobile is more becoming...




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Response to Rhiannon12866 (Original post)

Wed Jun 26, 2019, 05:08 AM

7. I've owned 2 (used) Gremlins & 2 (used) Pinto Wagons...

I absolutely loved both cars, put a lot of miles on and beat them both, but 'young love' sentiment leans me heavily towards the AMC Gremlin.

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Response to Rhiannon12866 (Original post)

Wed Jun 26, 2019, 10:51 AM

9. No love for the Chevy Vega? (nt)

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Response to NeoGreen (Reply #9)

Wed Jun 26, 2019, 12:04 PM

11. I owned one

The body was in a race with the engine, to see if it could rust out before the aluminum engine block cracked.
They tied.
Got $75 for it at the scrap yard.

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Response to ChazInAz (Reply #11)

Wed Jun 26, 2019, 12:15 PM

12. Sounds like you had a pretty special and intimate relationship with this...

...vega and that losing it was almost comparable to losing a loved one.



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Response to NeoGreen (Reply #9)

Thu Jun 27, 2019, 01:50 AM

32. I sure remember Vegas, they were a very popular car!

My friend had one and I went lots of places with her, I didn't drive yet. Hers was yellow with stuffed animals in the back window. I think the point of this article was a vote on which turned out to be the worse car, the Gremlin or the Pinto - Vegas were around for awhile.


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Response to NeoGreen (Reply #9)

Sun Jul 21, 2019, 03:56 PM

47. Very little...

Nor its misbegotten sibling, the Monza. Wretched 4 cylinder engines, or "Buick" V-6's that were junk in '`64.

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Response to Rhiannon12866 (Original post)

Wed Jun 26, 2019, 11:10 AM

10. Gremlin...both were planned obsolete the day they left the lot...

But the Gremlin was awesome looking.

Tikki

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Response to Rhiannon12866 (Original post)

Wed Jun 26, 2019, 01:00 PM

13. My husband had a Pinto

I had a Vega
They were cheap cars for those just buying their first car.
We bought American till about 2000, have been buying Toyota or Subaru ever since.

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Response to Rhiannon12866 (Original post)

Wed Jun 26, 2019, 01:09 PM

14. "Do you know what kind of women you get in heaven by driving a Ford Pinto?"

"The kind of women you get on earth by driving a Ford Pinto!"

-- Sam Kinison/Married With Children



rocktivity

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Response to Rhiannon12866 (Original post)

Wed Jun 26, 2019, 01:35 PM

15. I had a Gremlin

I loved it

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Response to MrScorpio (Reply #15)

Thu Jun 27, 2019, 02:01 AM

34. That's the one I voted for on this article

I don't understand the dislike for AMC cars - I thought the Pacer was pretty cool back in the day. And a woman I worked for bought a used one for her daughter - and when I told her that I'd always liked them, she brought it to work and let me drive it - and I was thrilled!


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Response to Rhiannon12866 (Original post)

Wed Jun 26, 2019, 02:14 PM

16. I had a Pinto.

There was always something wrong with it.

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Response to Rhiannon12866 (Original post)

Wed Jun 26, 2019, 04:46 PM

18. Vegas! Let me tell you.....

that in the day at Brigance Chevrolet in Oak Park, IL I ran across in the back of the maintenance shop blown-up Vega engines by the score! Chuck White, the parts man and the best in the business told me that dozens and dozens of Vegas came in with head gasket failures due to the rapid heat expansion/contraction of the head and block in regular use. Some cars had come in for even, get this, a 2nd engine months later! Chevy corporate paid for tons of new replacement engines, all under factory warranty, and paid the dealers a flat rate for the swaps. White said the mechanics got so good at it that they even beat the allocated # of hours the factory allowed, meaning the dealer did make a few $. We counted over 30 engines laid over on wooden pallets awaiting truck shipping back to some place near Detroit.

Ultimately, GM told the dealers in secret to offer buybacks and real steals on other Chevy cars to get the Vegas off the street.

I swear! Read this and see the truth! Hah!

https://www.autonews.com/article/20111031/CHEVY100/310319922/the-vega-an-unmitigated-disaster

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Response to machoneman (Reply #18)

Wed Jun 26, 2019, 05:34 PM

19. Guess where Vegas were built....

Lordstown, Ohio!

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Response to Ohiogal (Reply #19)

Wed Jun 26, 2019, 06:51 PM

22. You tell 'em OG.

Early '70s Camaros and Firebirds too.

I have a number of friends and relatives who spent their lives there. I almost took a job right out of high school there in '72, but I went with Packard Electric instead. Back then I started at $6.50 Union Greenbacks per hour. People always remark how that was a lot of money in those days, to which I reply that the problem is, people still think it is today.

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Response to machoneman (Reply #18)

Wed Jun 26, 2019, 10:42 PM

25. I replaced a head gasket on a ten month old Vega and the front fender I was bending.....

....over had rusted through completely. You could look through the hole at the front tire. Lordstown was dipping the bodies in primer and air bubbles were forming under each front fender.

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Response to machoneman (Reply #18)

Fri Jul 26, 2019, 06:23 PM

53. Wow -- that was one big lemon.

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Response to Rhiannon12866 (Original post)

Wed Jun 26, 2019, 06:44 PM

21. I love Jalopnik.

This is a new feature (hopefully daily). My favorite entry is Rob Emslie "Nice Price Or Crack Pipe" where we vote thumbs up or down on an used car sale. He's on vacay this week though. BTW, I went with the Gremlin for pure camp value. No one swivels their head for a passing Pinto.

I visit the site daily and Torchinsky is my favorite writer over there

Thanx for posting!

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Response to JohnnyRingo (Reply #21)

Thu Jun 27, 2019, 01:56 AM

33. Thanks! I thought this was a pretty clever article

And was bound to bring back memories for a lot of us - I also liked that they included the promotional videos. I still remember that my mother wanted a Pinto, but my Dad (who was not a car guy) was against it, said it was "too small." She ended up getting a 1971 Plymouth Duster - which I was lucky enough to inherit 10 years later, when I could drive.

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Response to Rhiannon12866 (Original post)

Wed Jun 26, 2019, 10:51 PM

26. Pintos had an unfortunate tendency to blow up.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #26)

Fri Jul 26, 2019, 06:18 PM

51. Only when you tap the rear bumper.

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Response to Rhiannon12866 (Original post)

Wed Jun 26, 2019, 11:08 PM

27. I had a 1976 Gremlin

First two years, worked fine, the next two more than made up for that in problems.

At least it didn't blow up when I was driving it.

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Response to Rhiannon12866 (Original post)

Wed Jun 26, 2019, 11:18 PM

28. Pinto had two engine options - a 1600 cc engine based on a British design and....

....2000 cc that was called the “Cologne” engine based on Ford of Germany design. Both were by today’s standards pretty bad. Gremlin had two inline sixes that were much better and were the forebears of AMC/Jeeps 4.0 liter workhorse engine.

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Response to EarnestPutz (Reply #28)

Thu Jul 25, 2019, 08:13 PM

48. Pretty bad?

How? The "Kent" and "Cologne" engines are both cornerstones of international racing series like F/F, F/C, and S2000. The later 2.3 "Lima". engines had some issues, but still better than many!

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Response to Mopar151 (Reply #48)

Fri Jul 26, 2019, 03:24 PM

49. As much as I hate to admit it to a "Mopar" guy, you are right. In my own defense....

....I did say "by today's standards", but both engines were good designs. The two liter, OHC engine was one of the first (the first?) to have a belt driven overhead camshaft.

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Response to EarnestPutz (Reply #49)

Fri Jul 26, 2019, 05:58 PM

50. Also the basic block of two Pedigreed Cosworths, and the "Lotus" twincam

The Cosworth BDA is based on the Kent Engine, as is the "Lotus" Twincam, clonefather to the Miata engine.

The Cosworth YBM is fierce indeed - ~300 hp, NA, and all your wallet will stand Turbo'D, in it's Sierra rally car iteration.

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Response to Rhiannon12866 (Original post)

Wed Jun 26, 2019, 11:31 PM

29. I had a Bobcat (a Mercury Pinto) and a Pinto; both were great cars that I liked a lot.

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Response to Rhiannon12866 (Original post)

Wed Jun 26, 2019, 11:47 PM

30. We had a green 1970 Gremlin

We had one of the first. For the first few months, it would actually attract small crowds when we pulled into a gas station. Somehow, we managed to keep it running for 12 years and despite its 2nd residence in repair shops, it rolled past the 100,000 mile mark - something the 5-digit odometer did not anticipate.

The 2nd worst car I have ever had was vastly superior. Badly engineered and constructed in every way possible.



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Response to Rhiannon12866 (Original post)

Thu Jun 27, 2019, 01:41 AM

31. Hey just a minute there...

Gremlins are junk,period.

Now about that Pinto....

Easy fix for those 2000cc engines...a 302 or 351 Cleveland.

Did ya'll know that the 84-89 Thunderbird Turbo was powered by a 2.2 liter Pinto engine that had a beefed up bottom end ( stronger crankshaft and connecting rods, bigger and better rod and main bearings, dished aluminum pistons) a better breathing cylinder head with bigger valves, fuel injection, electronic ignition, and bigger exhaust system PLUS a turbocharger...put one of these in a Pinto, add some handling tweaks, better tires and wadda have?

A downright nice little Sleeper of a Good handling street car!

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Response to Rhiannon12866 (Original post)

Thu Jun 27, 2019, 10:31 AM

35. My friend had a green 1974 Gremlin

I remember driving around in it. Had a lot of fun times and remember it being the butt if jokes. But she had that car for over 10 years.

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Response to Rhiannon12866 (Original post)

Thu Jun 27, 2019, 10:57 AM

36. Gotta go with the Pinto.

It was the first car I bought as a "grown-up", bought and paid for with my very own earnings, and it served me very well. I guess I'm just lucky that no one ever rear-ended me.

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Response to Rhiannon12866 (Original post)

Thu Jun 27, 2019, 11:22 AM

37. Vauxhall Brexit

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Response to trusty elf (Reply #37)

Thu Jun 27, 2019, 03:26 PM

39. That does look like it really is "unsafe at any speed!"

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Response to Rhiannon12866 (Reply #39)

Fri Jul 26, 2019, 06:25 PM

54. Neither of them hold a candle in the ugliness department compared to this bug-eyed monstrosity.

[link:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiat_Multipla#/media/File:Fiat_Multipla_front_20080825.jpg|]

(sorry, you'd think I would know how to embed an image, but it's not obvious).

The Multipla, on the other hand, did not tend to explode in a rear-end collision, so it does have that going for it over the Pinto.

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Response to trusty elf (Reply #37)

Thu Jun 27, 2019, 07:37 PM

40. That just don't look kosher.

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Response to Rhiannon12866 (Original post)

Thu Jun 27, 2019, 02:59 PM

38. Wish I had my mom's 62 Corvair

Unsafe at any speed but I learned to drive in that car and loved it. Learned to drive a stick in my boyfriend’s Karmann Ghia, another great car.

Enjoyed your post and this thread. Memories.

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Response to mountain grammy (Reply #38)

Fri Jul 26, 2019, 07:39 PM

59. Learned to drive in a Corvair also. Perfect size and cool car.

It was plagued by burnt oil fumes flowing into cabin, though.

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Response to Rhiannon12866 (Original post)

Thu Jun 27, 2019, 07:40 PM

41. '60 Falcon, six cylinder, automatic. 60mph (downhill)

'60 Falcon, six cylinder, automatic. 60mph max (downhill)

Both ball joints broke on a front tire going around an easy corner about 15 mph.

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Response to Rhiannon12866 (Original post)

Fri Jun 28, 2019, 07:39 AM

43. I'll go with the pinto

I was able to get a speeding ticket in one.

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Response to Rhiannon12866 (Original post)

Fri Jun 28, 2019, 09:30 AM

44. I had two Ford Pintos

I'm still alive. A 73 Pinto station wagon that I bought used in 1976, and later I bought a 78 Pinto hatchback brand new in January of 1979. Four on the floor with the hatchback. $3700 brand new. I was making $14/hr. at the time. Which is why I say, when places advertise jobs for 13/14 an hour, that it is a decent wage for 1979. Lots of regular people made 14/hr in 1979 !

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Response to Rhiannon12866 (Original post)

Fri Jun 28, 2019, 10:16 AM

45. Say what you will about the Gremlin, the Vega and the Pinto

The very same Pinto engine, the 'Lima' 2.0L and 2.3L has been powering Ford Ranger pickups I've been driving for a generation.

American Motors...they were nerd cool...the Rebel, the Marlin, the AMX, and the ugly step-children the Gremlin, the Pacer and the Hornet, but that marque's mouldering in the graveyard for forty years. My dad had a Javelin for a while, but he also had a Mustang and a Sunbeam Tiger for a while when I was a kid.

My first car was a used 1969 Plymouth GTX in Bronze Fire w/ black vinyl roof with a 440 Commando and a Carter four-barrel. The weekend I got that car I went over a hundred and fifty miles an hour for the first time. The speedo went to one-eighty. Waaaay too much car for a fifteen year old kid. Now Plymouth has taken the big dirt nap as well. I still remember my Mom's Belvedere Station Wagon with the push-button transmission well...

I always kind of wanted one of those Pinto wagons with the port-hole windows on the rear sides and some surfbords on top...

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Response to Rhiannon12866 (Original post)

Fri Jul 26, 2019, 06:45 PM

55. Bought a new 1974 Pinto Wagon.

Good for the first 2 years than problems. Traded it in for a new Buick Skylark and the trade in value was almost nil.

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Response to Rhiannon12866 (Original post)

Fri Jul 26, 2019, 06:48 PM

56. Gremlins were very, very heavy for their size. Don't know why.

I drove a Pinto around for work. It was small, easy to park and somewhat sporty. The big think is I didn't have to worry about maintenance.

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Response to yonder (Reply #56)

Mon Nov 18, 2019, 06:48 PM

62. Under the funky style

The Gremlin was a '63 Rambler!

Vacuum wipers, keyed axles, wretched front end, drum brakes. A 401 cop car engine bolts right in!

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Response to Rhiannon12866 (Original post)

Fri Jul 26, 2019, 06:48 PM

57. Although a hot rodder and and drag racer

I had 3 new Pintos back in the day. They were all great little cars. If you remembered what they were intended to do.

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Response to Rhiannon12866 (Original post)

Mon Jul 29, 2019, 08:55 PM

61. My father had a Mercury Bobcat (a Pinto with a fancy grille).

He had a long list of Ford and Mercury cars.


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