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cleanhippie

(19,705 posts)
Tue May 13, 2014, 09:45 PM May 2014

A modern pope gets old school on the Devil. (IOW, The new Pope believes in demon possession)

A darling of liberal Catholics and an advocate of inclusion and forgiveness, Pope Francis is hardly known for fire and brimstone.

Yet, in his words and deeds, the new pope is locked in an epic battle with the oldest enemy of God and creation: The Devil.

After his little more than a year atop the Throne of St. Peter, Francis’s teachings on Satan are already regarded as the most old school of any pope since at least Paul VI, whose papacy in the 1960s and 1970s fully embraced the notion of hellish forces plotting to deliver mankind unto damnation.

Largely under the radar, theologians and Vatican insiders say, Francis has not only dwelled far more on Satan in sermons and speeches than his recent predecessors have, but also sought to rekindle the Devil’s image as a supernatural entity with the forces­ of evil at his beck and call.

Last year, for instance, Francis laid hands on a man in a wheelchair who claimed to be possessed by demons, in what many saw as an impromptu act of cleansing. A few months later, he praised a group long viewed by some as the crazy uncles of the Roman Catholic Church — the International Association of Exorcists — for “helping people who suffer and are in need of liberation.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/a-modern-pope-gets-old-school-on-the-devil/2014/05/10/f56a9354-1b93-4662-abbb-d877e49f15ea_story.html


In need of liberation, huh? Perhaps liberation from superstitious nonsense is what he means to say?


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A modern pope gets old school on the Devil. (IOW, The new Pope believes in demon possession) (Original Post) cleanhippie May 2014 OP
Well, belief in demonic possession is all the rage these days skepticscott May 2014 #1
at least this isnt some crazy nonsense like a black mass. Warren Stupidity May 2014 #2
There are other ways of knowing... pokerfan May 2014 #3
We are rational beings, that's who... MellowDem May 2014 #5
I forgot the sarcasm thingy.... n/t pokerfan May 2014 #10
Well, now, that makes it perfectly clear... uriel1972 May 2014 #4
Are you that obtuse to think he didn't? rug May 2014 #6
"The new pope is locked in an epic battle with the oldest enemy of God and creation: goldent May 2014 #7
Yes, he is locked in battle, alright. cleanhippie May 2014 #8
Sancho! My armor, my sword! AtheistCrusader May 2014 #11
So sad that some still believe in this nonsense. trotsky May 2014 #9
And equally sad Goblinmonger May 2014 #12
Pope Francis denies performing exorcism on wheelchair-bound boy in Rome struggle4progress May 2014 #13
 

skepticscott

(13,029 posts)
1. Well, belief in demonic possession is all the rage these days
Tue May 13, 2014, 09:50 PM
May 2014

there are even people on this board who believe in it, and who believe that patients in psych wards are possessed by demons.

No, really.

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
2. at least this isnt some crazy nonsense like a black mass.
Tue May 13, 2014, 09:57 PM
May 2014

If Francis says that demons from hell are rampant in the world, I have to respect that. If a crazy person said the exact same thing, it would be considered evidence of a psychotic delusion, but we are talking about the pope here, so it can't possibly be that. Now of course when the pope says "demons from hell are rampant in the world", that doesn't really mean "demons" who are "from hell" and it certainly doesn't mean that these "demons" actually invade people's brains and control them, that would be crazy talk. No it obviously means that demons from hell are rampant in the world in a non-crazy talk sense.

MellowDem

(5,018 posts)
5. We are rational beings, that's who...
Wed May 14, 2014, 12:36 AM
May 2014

There is no good evidence for demons. That's why we say they don't exist.

uriel1972

(4,261 posts)
4. Well, now, that makes it perfectly clear...
Tue May 13, 2014, 10:59 PM
May 2014

Tell me again how WonderPope is going to make the world all liberal, warm and fuzzy.

goldent

(1,582 posts)
7. "The new pope is locked in an epic battle with the oldest enemy of God and creation:
Wed May 14, 2014, 08:23 AM
May 2014

The Devil"

I think all of the Popes were.

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
9. So sad that some still believe in this nonsense.
Wed May 14, 2014, 09:31 AM
May 2014

Even sadder that there are so many who know better as well, yet defend it.

 

Goblinmonger

(22,340 posts)
12. And equally sad
Wed May 14, 2014, 12:35 PM
May 2014

the number of progressives who orgasm over this pope like he's something different.

struggle4progress

(118,228 posts)
13. Pope Francis denies performing exorcism on wheelchair-bound boy in Rome
Thu May 15, 2014, 04:09 AM
May 2014

AFP
May 22, 2013 8:25AM
THE Vatican has denied that Pope Francis has performed an exorcism after an Italian religious television channel said footage of the pontiff blessing a boy in a wheelchair showed he had ...
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/pope-francis-denies-performing-exorcism-on-wheelchair-bound-boy-in-rome/story-e6frg6so-1226648072961

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