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edhopper

(33,575 posts)
Fri Jan 23, 2015, 10:13 AM Jan 2015

Huckabee: America Needs To Know Laws 'Come From God,' Not Man

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/mike-huckabee-secular-theocracy

Former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee (R) said during an appearance Thursday on a Christian television show that he's thinking about running for President to help the nation know where laws come from: God.

"We cannot survive as a republic if we do not become, once again, a God-centered nation that understands that our laws do not come from man, they come from God," he said on the show "Life Today."



What a theocratic asshat!
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Huckabee: America Needs To Know Laws 'Come From God,' Not Man (Original Post) edhopper Jan 2015 OP
Zeus SamKnause Jan 2015 #1
He himself surely doesn't believe bvf Jan 2015 #2
Unfortunately edhopper Jan 2015 #10
Whether he believes it or not doesn't really matter Major Nikon Jan 2015 #36
Well, if he does, he's batshit crazy, and if not, bvf Jan 2015 #38
Huck really seems to be coming off the rails lately rurallib Jan 2015 #3
One line is missing most often this is a statement worthy of delusional fanatics. gordianot Jan 2015 #4
I hope this is the last wailings of the dominionists cbayer Jan 2015 #5
I think that demographic edhopper Jan 2015 #11
I don't agree at all. cbayer Jan 2015 #12
They backed off the abortion bill edhopper Jan 2015 #13
Yes, but backing off at all is a good step. cbayer Jan 2015 #14
That is what the polls seem to show. edhopper Jan 2015 #15
What polls? I just tried to find some data on this and couldn't. cbayer Jan 2015 #16
I found some relatively old data about evangelicals, but cbayer Jan 2015 #17
Yeah edhopper Jan 2015 #18
"Almost 40 percent of Republicans said they were born-again or evangelical Christians" muriel_volestrangler Jan 2015 #19
That does not make them the religious right, though cbayer Jan 2015 #21
I think it's fair to say they're on the right, if they're Republicans muriel_volestrangler Jan 2015 #22
What I am thinking as well edhopper Jan 2015 #23
This is where your assumptions fall apart. I fail to see any evidence that cbayer Jan 2015 #26
There is a group that is generally called the "religious right" cbayer Jan 2015 #25
Evangelicals are a really diverse group. cbayer Jan 2015 #20
True edhopper Jan 2015 #24
Born agains? What do you imagine that means? cbayer Jan 2015 #28
We are talking about people who are both edhopper Jan 2015 #30
You can cement Newest Reality Jan 2015 #6
Ayup libodem Jan 2015 #7
Note to Huckabee: Terra Alta Jan 2015 #8
Now, Mr Huckabee, explain it to us atheists rock Jan 2015 #9
So the Egyptian empire didn't have laws until after Moses left and got the 10 commandments? arcane1 Jan 2015 #27
God won't be voting in 2016, Hucklechuck, but I will. tanyev Jan 2015 #29
God, of course, acting through sanctimonious pricks like Huckabee. cheapdate Jan 2015 #31
Mullah Mike is not familiar with the constitution. Renew Deal Jan 2015 #32
In that case we do not need oldandhappy Jan 2015 #33
Nonsense. okasha Jan 2015 #34
Hey HuckaBunny GOD makes Commandments not LAWS> Moran Vincardog Jan 2015 #35
God help us if he wins. hrmjustin Jan 2015 #37
He won't. okasha Jan 2015 #39
I must have missed God's election run... gcomeau Jan 2015 #40

SamKnause

(13,101 posts)
1. Zeus
Fri Jan 23, 2015, 10:23 AM
Jan 2015

wrote the laws of the United States of America ?

I wasn't aware.

Good to know.

I will continue to ignore Zeus as I do all other 'Gods'.

 

bvf

(6,604 posts)
2. He himself surely doesn't believe
Fri Jan 23, 2015, 10:31 AM
Jan 2015

such crap, but it plays in Peoria, as the old saying goes.

Huckabee/Santorum in 2016!

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
36. Whether he believes it or not doesn't really matter
Sat Jan 24, 2015, 12:09 AM
Jan 2015

Huckabee knows millions of people will agree with him, buy his books, and pay to hear him speak. He's nothing more than a religious grifter not fundamentally different than thousands of other religious grifters. He's just more successful at it than most.

 

bvf

(6,604 posts)
38. Well, if he does, he's batshit crazy, and if not,
Sat Jan 24, 2015, 01:53 AM
Jan 2015

he's just a very successful con artist.

I think you're giving him the benefit of the doubt. I don't think the great majority of pols who invoke a god in the furtherance of their careers personally buy their own religious spew.

You may be right about Huckabee here, but if so, I think he'd be one of the exceptions. Either way, he's a dangerous, hateful fuck.

rurallib

(62,410 posts)
3. Huck really seems to be coming off the rails lately
Fri Jan 23, 2015, 10:32 AM
Jan 2015

I know he's always been a theocratic crazy (he's a fucking minister) but he usually kept a lid on it.
Do you suppose Gawd spoke to Huck and told Huck to save the country?

gordianot

(15,237 posts)
4. One line is missing most often this is a statement worthy of delusional fanatics.
Fri Jan 23, 2015, 10:43 AM
Jan 2015

Huckabee has a total lack of irony when he opens his mouth. My vote Huckabee' ambition has more to do with personal profit than true fanaticism and belief.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
5. I hope this is the last wailings of the dominionists
Fri Jan 23, 2015, 10:52 AM
Jan 2015

He is definitely grabbing for a particular demographic, but I think it is shrinking.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
12. I don't agree at all.
Fri Jan 23, 2015, 02:45 PM
Jan 2015

I think we are starting to see some shifts as they realize that younger people aren't' going for all of this.

There is an article here now about how they backed off of an abortion bill because they can see which way the wind is blowing.

edhopper

(33,575 posts)
13. They backed off the abortion bill
Fri Jan 23, 2015, 04:57 PM
Jan 2015

because the woman GOP caucus said it went too far. They still passed a pretty severe one anyway.

But the religious right is still about half of the registered republicans.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
14. Yes, but backing off at all is a good step.
Fri Jan 23, 2015, 05:03 PM
Jan 2015

Are you saying that half of all registered republicans can be identified as "religious right"? What do you use to define that?

I'm not saying your wrong, but I haven't seen data to support that contention and would be interested in seeing it.

edhopper

(33,575 posts)
15. That is what the polls seem to show.
Fri Jan 23, 2015, 05:09 PM
Jan 2015

Though party affiliation is mutable and I think Tea Partiers are not all fundies, perhaps most of them aren't.

I was happy too that at least the GOP women had a line they wouldn't cross.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
16. What polls? I just tried to find some data on this and couldn't.
Fri Jan 23, 2015, 05:28 PM
Jan 2015

While most fundies are republicans, I am not convinced that most republicans are fundies.

As for the Tea Partiers, the owner of reason.com, a libertarian site, recently wrote an article vehemently attacking the intrusion of religion into US politics.

I think some of the GOP women can sense which way the wind is blowing and may be our only chance to back away from some of this theocratic extremism.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
17. I found some relatively old data about evangelicals, but
Fri Jan 23, 2015, 05:45 PM
Jan 2015

they are not always considered the "religious right". While some certainly are, about 25% are left leaning.

I think we should confine the term religious right to fundamentalists.

edhopper

(33,575 posts)
18. Yeah
Fri Jan 23, 2015, 07:08 PM
Jan 2015

I guess I consider someone who is both a white protestant evangelical AND a Republican to be the religious right.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
21. That does not make them the religious right, though
Fri Jan 23, 2015, 07:13 PM
Jan 2015

some of them may be.

And it sure doesn't add up to the ½ statement that started this conversation.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,311 posts)
22. I think it's fair to say they're on the right, if they're Republicans
Fri Jan 23, 2015, 07:18 PM
Jan 2015

The days of moderate Republicans are pretty much gone. Calling themselves 'born-again' or 'evangelical' indicates religion is an important part of their life. That makes 'religious right' seem like an accurate description. 40% is not far off half.

edhopper

(33,575 posts)
23. What I am thinking as well
Fri Jan 23, 2015, 07:29 PM
Jan 2015

the number I saw was 47%, I think Gallop.

Either way, that what Huckabee says speaks to a large percent of the GOP base is not a good thing.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
26. This is where your assumptions fall apart. I fail to see any evidence that
Fri Jan 23, 2015, 07:39 PM
Jan 2015

Huckabee is speaking to a large percentage of the GOP base.

He is becoming a dinosaur, and I am glad to see it.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
25. There is a group that is generally called the "religious right"
Fri Jan 23, 2015, 07:37 PM
Jan 2015

that does not encompass all religious conservatives. Religious right denotes a particular demographic of activists who wish to see their religion injected into politics.

I totally disagree about moderate republicans. I think they are coming back.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
20. Evangelicals are a really diverse group.
Fri Jan 23, 2015, 07:11 PM
Jan 2015

Some are highly invested in environmental issues at this time.

At any rate, I think it is safe to say that most republicans lean right and most republicans (like most democrats) have a religious affiliation. That doesn't make either grow the religious right of the religious left. To me, those groups are composed of the activists.

edhopper

(33,575 posts)
24. True
Fri Jan 23, 2015, 07:32 PM
Jan 2015

but we are talking about born agains or evangelicals who are also registered Republicans.

It could be that we have a different idea of the "religious right". Not that there is a definative one.


cbayer

(146,218 posts)
28. Born agains? What do you imagine that means?
Fri Jan 23, 2015, 07:41 PM
Jan 2015

It doesn't necessarily connote anything political and is a purely religious ideology.

I think we may have a different definition.

edhopper

(33,575 posts)
30. We are talking about people who are both
Fri Jan 23, 2015, 07:47 PM
Jan 2015

I am in no way saying all born agains or all evangelicals. It's about the percentage of Republicans who are this, no the percentage of them that are GOPers.
It's more about the composition of the GOP than the over all politics of religious people.

Newest Reality

(12,712 posts)
6. You can cement
Fri Jan 23, 2015, 10:55 AM
Jan 2015

"laws" in place by making them and hiding their "authority" behind an abstract entity, making those laws appear to have a transcendent foundation.

The strategy of approaching values and ethics this way is that said "laws" become dogma and that implies that they are not mutable nor questionable. Score one for authoritarians. Perhaps that was useful in order to provide a stable framework for tribes and cultures, (as in taming the masses) but it is far too easy to break that kind of rhetoric down when it is investigated carefully.

That aside, ethics and values can be ascertained using reason and are subject to a consensus, as is most of the abstraction of the thinking mind. Religion and "spirituality" as a subject approach merely up the ante and then come down to the rather immature and exceedingly irrational battle between ghosts in the machine where the adherents insist that, "My God is better than your god." or, "My revealed truth is more truthy than your revealed truth." That is the underlying problem with the "revealed" religions in general. The Abrahamic religions are noted for that and, though there is still tradition, taboo, etc., nature religions tend more towards a relationship with the environment and observation of phenomena in conjunction with the subjective aspect of experience. Also, there are contemplative and insightful approaches in the East that include and allow for more change and transformation as well as a transcendence of what we think of as religion itself--the nature of abstraction and thought being the focus.

To me, in these times, saying that a nation should be "God-centered" can be equated with an underlying impetus towards control and could be interpreted as a call to more authoritarian control with a corresponding demand for complicity and subservience. When we note the various behaviors of certain groups of "fundamentalists" we see a capacity to be easily manipulated via a form of so-called education, media, politics, biased religious rhetoric, etc.

One could argue that the underlying impact of a dominating, religion-based world view has been a contributing factor to many of the problems we face today--covertly and implicitly--whereby projections of dogma as actions and appeals to ancient tribal laws as obstructions consistently serve to contribute to suffering, misery, poverty, strife, war, and a long laundry list of grievous problems that the major religions have failed to have pragmatic solutions to.

When one smells that greasy, putrid stench of anyone who appeals to some divine being or dogmatic laws in order to shore-up or lend credence and validity to their authoritarian appeals and motivations, it may be extremely important--even vital--to call them out and do whatever is necessary to both acknowledge the right for people to believe as they choose, (or believe what is chosen for them) while simultaneously voicing dissent in a way that dissuades manipulation and control of others based on those beliefs.

Terra Alta

(5,158 posts)
8. Note to Huckabee:
Fri Jan 23, 2015, 12:17 PM
Jan 2015

America is not a theocracy and never has been. We get our laws from the Constitution, not from God or the Bible.

okasha

(11,573 posts)
39. He won't.
Sat Jan 24, 2015, 08:41 PM
Jan 2015

He'll scare everybody but the Dominionists straight into a Dem landslide. I also think he might lose the Senate--negative coattails.

 

gcomeau

(5,764 posts)
40. I must have missed God's election run...
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 09:25 PM
Jan 2015

...when he landed a seat in the Legislative branch.

Must have scored a gem of a committee chairmanship too for someone to say laws come from him specifically. Well good for him...

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