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Related: About this forumHuckabee: America Needs To Know Laws 'Come From God,' Not Man
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/mike-huckabee-secular-theocracyFormer Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee (R) said during an appearance Thursday on a Christian television show that he's thinking about running for President to help the nation know where laws come from: God.
"We cannot survive as a republic if we do not become, once again, a God-centered nation that understands that our laws do not come from man, they come from God," he said on the show "Life Today."
What a theocratic asshat!
SamKnause
(13,101 posts)wrote the laws of the United States of America ?
I wasn't aware.
Good to know.
I will continue to ignore Zeus as I do all other 'Gods'.
bvf
(6,604 posts)such crap, but it plays in Peoria, as the old saying goes.
Huckabee/Santorum in 2016!
edhopper
(33,575 posts)I think he really does believe this crap.
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)Huckabee knows millions of people will agree with him, buy his books, and pay to hear him speak. He's nothing more than a religious grifter not fundamentally different than thousands of other religious grifters. He's just more successful at it than most.
bvf
(6,604 posts)he's just a very successful con artist.
I think you're giving him the benefit of the doubt. I don't think the great majority of pols who invoke a god in the furtherance of their careers personally buy their own religious spew.
You may be right about Huckabee here, but if so, I think he'd be one of the exceptions. Either way, he's a dangerous, hateful fuck.
rurallib
(62,410 posts)I know he's always been a theocratic crazy (he's a fucking minister) but he usually kept a lid on it.
Do you suppose Gawd spoke to Huck and told Huck to save the country?
gordianot
(15,237 posts)Huckabee has a total lack of irony when he opens his mouth. My vote Huckabee' ambition has more to do with personal profit than true fanaticism and belief.
cbayer
(146,218 posts)He is definitely grabbing for a particular demographic, but I think it is shrinking.
edhopper
(33,575 posts)is most of today's GOP.
cbayer
(146,218 posts)I think we are starting to see some shifts as they realize that younger people aren't' going for all of this.
There is an article here now about how they backed off of an abortion bill because they can see which way the wind is blowing.
edhopper
(33,575 posts)because the woman GOP caucus said it went too far. They still passed a pretty severe one anyway.
But the religious right is still about half of the registered republicans.
cbayer
(146,218 posts)Are you saying that half of all registered republicans can be identified as "religious right"? What do you use to define that?
I'm not saying your wrong, but I haven't seen data to support that contention and would be interested in seeing it.
edhopper
(33,575 posts)Though party affiliation is mutable and I think Tea Partiers are not all fundies, perhaps most of them aren't.
I was happy too that at least the GOP women had a line they wouldn't cross.
cbayer
(146,218 posts)While most fundies are republicans, I am not convinced that most republicans are fundies.
As for the Tea Partiers, the owner of reason.com, a libertarian site, recently wrote an article vehemently attacking the intrusion of religion into US politics.
I think some of the GOP women can sense which way the wind is blowing and may be our only chance to back away from some of this theocratic extremism.
cbayer
(146,218 posts)they are not always considered the "religious right". While some certainly are, about 25% are left leaning.
I think we should confine the term religious right to fundamentalists.
I guess I consider someone who is both a white protestant evangelical AND a Republican to be the religious right.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,311 posts)cbayer
(146,218 posts)some of them may be.
And it sure doesn't add up to the ½ statement that started this conversation.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,311 posts)The days of moderate Republicans are pretty much gone. Calling themselves 'born-again' or 'evangelical' indicates religion is an important part of their life. That makes 'religious right' seem like an accurate description. 40% is not far off half.
edhopper
(33,575 posts)the number I saw was 47%, I think Gallop.
Either way, that what Huckabee says speaks to a large percent of the GOP base is not a good thing.
cbayer
(146,218 posts)Huckabee is speaking to a large percentage of the GOP base.
He is becoming a dinosaur, and I am glad to see it.
cbayer
(146,218 posts)that does not encompass all religious conservatives. Religious right denotes a particular demographic of activists who wish to see their religion injected into politics.
I totally disagree about moderate republicans. I think they are coming back.
cbayer
(146,218 posts)Some are highly invested in environmental issues at this time.
At any rate, I think it is safe to say that most republicans lean right and most republicans (like most democrats) have a religious affiliation. That doesn't make either grow the religious right of the religious left. To me, those groups are composed of the activists.
but we are talking about born agains or evangelicals who are also registered Republicans.
It could be that we have a different idea of the "religious right". Not that there is a definative one.
cbayer
(146,218 posts)It doesn't necessarily connote anything political and is a purely religious ideology.
I think we may have a different definition.
edhopper
(33,575 posts)I am in no way saying all born agains or all evangelicals. It's about the percentage of Republicans who are this, no the percentage of them that are GOPers.
It's more about the composition of the GOP than the over all politics of religious people.
Newest Reality
(12,712 posts)"laws" in place by making them and hiding their "authority" behind an abstract entity, making those laws appear to have a transcendent foundation.
The strategy of approaching values and ethics this way is that said "laws" become dogma and that implies that they are not mutable nor questionable. Score one for authoritarians. Perhaps that was useful in order to provide a stable framework for tribes and cultures, (as in taming the masses) but it is far too easy to break that kind of rhetoric down when it is investigated carefully.
That aside, ethics and values can be ascertained using reason and are subject to a consensus, as is most of the abstraction of the thinking mind. Religion and "spirituality" as a subject approach merely up the ante and then come down to the rather immature and exceedingly irrational battle between ghosts in the machine where the adherents insist that, "My God is better than your god." or, "My revealed truth is more truthy than your revealed truth." That is the underlying problem with the "revealed" religions in general. The Abrahamic religions are noted for that and, though there is still tradition, taboo, etc., nature religions tend more towards a relationship with the environment and observation of phenomena in conjunction with the subjective aspect of experience. Also, there are contemplative and insightful approaches in the East that include and allow for more change and transformation as well as a transcendence of what we think of as religion itself--the nature of abstraction and thought being the focus.
To me, in these times, saying that a nation should be "God-centered" can be equated with an underlying impetus towards control and could be interpreted as a call to more authoritarian control with a corresponding demand for complicity and subservience. When we note the various behaviors of certain groups of "fundamentalists" we see a capacity to be easily manipulated via a form of so-called education, media, politics, biased religious rhetoric, etc.
One could argue that the underlying impact of a dominating, religion-based world view has been a contributing factor to many of the problems we face today--covertly and implicitly--whereby projections of dogma as actions and appeals to ancient tribal laws as obstructions consistently serve to contribute to suffering, misery, poverty, strife, war, and a long laundry list of grievous problems that the major religions have failed to have pragmatic solutions to.
When one smells that greasy, putrid stench of anyone who appeals to some divine being or dogmatic laws in order to shore-up or lend credence and validity to their authoritarian appeals and motivations, it may be extremely important--even vital--to call them out and do whatever is necessary to both acknowledge the right for people to believe as they choose, (or believe what is chosen for them) while simultaneously voicing dissent in a way that dissuades manipulation and control of others based on those beliefs.
libodem
(19,288 posts)"DIVINE RIGHT OF KINGS" muthafucker.
Terra Alta
(5,158 posts)America is not a theocracy and never has been. We get our laws from the Constitution, not from God or the Bible.
rock
(13,218 posts)And I'll explain assholery to you.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)tanyev
(42,552 posts)cheapdate
(3,811 posts)Renew Deal
(81,856 posts)oldandhappy
(6,719 posts)government or presidents or governors!!!
okasha
(11,573 posts)God would never approve of Brits driving on the wrong side of the road.
Vincardog
(20,234 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)okasha
(11,573 posts)He'll scare everybody but the Dominionists straight into a Dem landslide. I also think he might lose the Senate--negative coattails.
gcomeau
(5,764 posts)...when he landed a seat in the Legislative branch.
Must have scored a gem of a committee chairmanship too for someone to say laws come from him specifically. Well good for him...