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What has helped you to become a better person? (Original Post) Htom Sirveaux Mar 2015 OP
The book series Conversations with God by Neale Donald Walsch Autumn Mar 2015 #1
Motherhood Sedona Mar 2015 #2
Getting away from Christianity which destroyed my self-esteem. Manifestor_of_Light Mar 2015 #3
^This freepotter Mar 2015 #11
I've studied Buddhism. Manifestor_of_Light Mar 2015 #17
More than anything, my children and my conscience! DrewFlorida Mar 2015 #4
Plus one! peacebird Mar 2015 #5
Very beautiful. cilla4progress Mar 2015 #31
My Mom and Dad, books, music, and vodka shenmue Mar 2015 #6
My passion for music. Manifestor_of_Light Mar 2015 #7
Illness KT2000 Mar 2015 #8
People in my life that continued to love me... cbayer Mar 2015 #9
+1 pinto Mar 2015 #40
I know you have, my dear friend. cbayer Mar 2015 #43
Milk. AtheistCrusader Mar 2015 #10
Ok, the milk thing was sort of a joke. AtheistCrusader Mar 2015 #12
I hear that. pinto Mar 2015 #42
My father PassingFair Mar 2015 #13
My parents for the most part. hrmjustin Mar 2015 #14
Cancer. It made 840high Mar 2015 #15
Time. Promethean Mar 2015 #16
reflection on what I've done, repeated reflection as time passes and experience grows. delrem Mar 2015 #18
My parents to start with... LeftishBrit Mar 2015 #19
A better person than who? Act_of_Reparation Mar 2015 #20
A better person than you previously were. nt Htom Sirveaux Mar 2015 #24
A better person than I previously was? Act_of_Reparation Mar 2015 #46
having children demwing Mar 2015 #21
Many of the things others have mentioned but additionally a sense of wonder Fumesucker Mar 2015 #22
Facts like those seem too large to connect with in a meaningful way, at least to me. Htom Sirveaux Mar 2015 #25
I learned a long time ago that many of the elements of life quite literally came from the stars Fumesucker Mar 2015 #45
"dust in the wind" guillaumeb Mar 2015 #30
Geology did that for me. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2015 #36
cucumber radish and ginger smoothies. Warren Stupidity Mar 2015 #23
My parents. elleng Mar 2015 #26
trying to eliminate anger as a response to situations guillaumeb Mar 2015 #27
Where do you find the patience that Htom Sirveaux Mar 2015 #28
I said trying, not always doing. guillaumeb Mar 2015 #29
It's pretty good. Htom Sirveaux Mar 2015 #35
anger is strong guillaumeb Mar 2015 #38
The internet. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2015 #32
reading Ann Frank's diary when I was 14 Skittles Mar 2015 #33
Reading these insightful responses cilla4progress Mar 2015 #34
Family and friends that helped me be a truer person, not better or worse, but real. And the dying. pinto Mar 2015 #37
The predominent theme of this thread seems to be "other people help you grow". Htom Sirveaux Mar 2015 #44
Having an autistic son kimbutgar Mar 2015 #39
I'll bet. I've known a few autistic children. Htom Sirveaux Mar 2015 #41

Autumn

(45,042 posts)
1. The book series Conversations with God by Neale Donald Walsch
Tue Mar 17, 2015, 09:37 PM
Mar 2015

Reading those changed the way I see things.

 

Manifestor_of_Light

(21,046 posts)
3. Getting away from Christianity which destroyed my self-esteem.
Tue Mar 17, 2015, 09:40 PM
Mar 2015

Getting the strength to stand up and walk out on sermons by preachers telling me I was a worthless piece of shit and that the only solution was to accept Jesus.

I learned to not accept authority figures who were busy tearing people down in order to control them and get their money.

DrewFlorida

(1,096 posts)
4. More than anything, my children and my conscience!
Tue Mar 17, 2015, 09:41 PM
Mar 2015

When my first child was born I had no direction in my life. Thinking about what I wanted my child to see me doing and saying caused me to grow up and change my behaviors. It caused me to give thought to what was important in life, and gradually because of the love I had for my two sons I became a loving compassionate decent human being!

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
12. Ok, the milk thing was sort of a joke.
Tue Mar 17, 2015, 10:50 PM
Mar 2015

But upon reflection, I would say first and foremost; opportunity.

Growing up, my family was not rich by any means, but middle class enough that we never wanted for food/shelter/clothes. That's a hell of an opportunity for growth right there, for which I am grateful.

The expertise and knowledge that I picked up, the skills that I honed as a kid/teen that have served me so well in my professional career? Would have been a hell of a lot harder to pick up on an empty stomach, you know?

So, I'd say good old fashioned middle-class opportunity. I sincerely wish everyone got the same.

PassingFair

(22,434 posts)
13. My father
Tue Mar 17, 2015, 10:55 PM
Mar 2015

....with his unflagging good nature and unconditional love.

As a parent, I strive to be as much like him as possible.

He's been gone for 17 years, but bits and pieces peek out in my daughters' words and actions

😀


 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
14. My parents for the most part.
Tue Mar 17, 2015, 11:01 PM
Mar 2015

Other family as well but mainly my parents. a few teachers made a lasting impact as well.

 

840high

(17,196 posts)
15. Cancer. It made
Tue Mar 17, 2015, 11:21 PM
Mar 2015

me appreciate my loved ones more. It made me open up to the beauty of simple things such as the color of grass. It also brought me back to God.

Promethean

(468 posts)
16. Time.
Wed Mar 18, 2015, 12:53 AM
Mar 2015

The older I get the more I look back at the decisions I made and think about how stupid they were or how I could have done things better.

delrem

(9,688 posts)
18. reflection on what I've done, repeated reflection as time passes and experience grows.
Wed Mar 18, 2015, 03:21 AM
Mar 2015

Nothing remotely connected with ...isms, including secularism.
Nothing remotely connected with national politics.

LeftishBrit

(41,205 posts)
19. My parents to start with...
Wed Mar 18, 2015, 03:37 AM
Mar 2015

Lots of people who have been kind to me or to others, and served as examples.

Sometimes people who were negative role models, ranging from a bullying teacher whom I had at age 8, to Margaret Thatcher in my late teens and early adulthood, as they showed me what I didn't want to be like.

And as AtheistCrusader says, adequate nutrition and (eventually) medical care. I have a chronic physical illness since childhood, that took a long time to diagnose, and I'm sure often made me difficult and cranky; so I'm doubtless a nicer as well as a healthier person since I started being treated properly, so thank you, Dr. D.!

 

demwing

(16,916 posts)
21. having children
Wed Mar 18, 2015, 10:56 AM
Mar 2015

helped me become more empathetic, more patient, more conscious of my behavior, more aware of my limitations, more honest, and more caring, and more open to the value of wonder.

It also gave me a renewed appreciation of Legos and Crayons

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
22. Many of the things others have mentioned but additionally a sense of wonder
Wed Mar 18, 2015, 11:34 AM
Mar 2015

I got into astronomy when my age was only in the single digits, about eight or nine as I recall. Astronomy above all gives you the long view when you come to realize that looking up in the sky on a clear Moonless night you can see light with the unaided eye that left its source at about the same time our distant ancestors came out of the trees. You understand in a deep way that our shared cosmos and our tiny spaceship Earth was here long before you ever existed and will be here long after you are only dust in the wind.

Htom Sirveaux

(1,242 posts)
25. Facts like those seem too large to connect with in a meaningful way, at least to me.
Wed Mar 18, 2015, 08:34 PM
Mar 2015

Can you expand on the connection between wonder and personal growth?

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
45. I learned a long time ago that many of the elements of life quite literally came from the stars
Wed Mar 18, 2015, 10:53 PM
Mar 2015

And our bodies will eventually return to our star in due course.

Then we will all be as one.

I'm not a theist but it seems clear to me that if we are a creation of a god or gods then the fact we have intelligence and self awareness means we are supposed to use it.

I was in the delivery room when my child was born and I was the first one to look into her eyes, even before her mother. I got a sense of great wonder and connectedness from that as well.

Teaching my grandkids things they don't or won't learn in school, how to skip a rock on the water, how to fly a kite so high it specks out, where to find and how to catch crayfish in the creek, how to tell a possum nest from a squirrel nest, pointing out the constellations and teaching them the names of the brighter stars, Alnitak, Regulus, Vega, Altair, Deneb, Alnilam, Bellatrix, Rigel, Procyon, Mirphak, Capella, showing them how and why Polaris stays in the same spot in the sky the entire night and day and how to use the Big Dipper as a pointer to Polaris so on any clear night you always can know which way is North (in this hemisphere anyway).

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Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
36. Geology did that for me.
Wed Mar 18, 2015, 09:05 PM
Mar 2015

Seeing the fossil record, knowing about the extinctions, learning to envision the slow changes in rocks over millions of years, the accumulation of sediment. Humans are but a blip in the record, barely even noticeable.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
27. trying to eliminate anger as a response to situations
Wed Mar 18, 2015, 08:42 PM
Mar 2015

in favor of understanding why people respond as they do.

And realizing that even though some people do not like butter pecan iced cream that does not make them wrong. (Does indicate a lack of taste)

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
29. I said trying, not always doing.
Wed Mar 18, 2015, 08:54 PM
Mar 2015

I try to follow Jesus' example. Judging is so easy to do and so easy to do wrong.

I was a union representative for 33 years. A smart older representative/mentor told me one time to never react with anger no matter what the provocation from a manager. He said to try and listen and ask yourself why the manager was taking a position. Then try to persuade.

Plus, as I used to explain to other, younger representatives when I was a mentor/teacher, if you tell the manager that he/she is a fool, what are you accomplishing? Anger is not conducive to negotiation. You might be correct, the manager might be a fool, but you are trying to accomplish something for the person you are representing, not scoring points in a game with the manager.

More importantly, do you agree about butter pecan iced cream?

Htom Sirveaux

(1,242 posts)
35. It's pretty good.
Wed Mar 18, 2015, 09:04 PM
Mar 2015

I like my ice cream to involve peanut butter or cookie dough, but butter pecan is also nice.

I prefer the diplomatic approach myself, but I do so much better if I have time and space to reflect. In the moment, the anger is stronger.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
32. The internet.
Wed Mar 18, 2015, 09:02 PM
Mar 2015

Which gave me a place to sit and actually listen to people I don't know, who can't see me, don't even know I'm listening unless I speak up. To hear them talking about the struggles they face day in and day out, many of which are struggles I'll never know firsthand, can never know firsthand, by reason of my gender, my skin tone, my sexual preferences, my gender self-identification. So that I could become aware of how the 'status quo' of American society is tilted in so many ways, most of which disadvantage people who differ from me.

It has introduced me to people in need in places I'll never visit, allowed me to help various of them, if not to step up out of poverty, at least to keep surviving in places where those around them, indeed those elected to office to represent them would probably prefer them simply to starve and die.

And reminded me constantly of my own struggles with the darker parts of myself, seeing my own behaviours on display both in my own words and those of others who act and think in similar ways.

cilla4progress

(24,725 posts)
34. Reading these insightful responses
Wed Mar 18, 2015, 09:02 PM
Mar 2015

(great question) - I think yes, reflection; and also have a perspective. Which kind of go together.

As to any -isms, probably only Taosim, if any. Which I know only a tiny bit of. Also secular humanism. And paganism.

And animals. Anything vulnerable, including being a parent.

pinto

(106,886 posts)
37. Family and friends that helped me be a truer person, not better or worse, but real. And the dying.
Wed Mar 18, 2015, 09:09 PM
Mar 2015

And humbler, in some ways.

Many have been by my side for a while. That time is invaluable. One, in particular, is my best friend. She and I have been around lots and lots of blocks together and separately. And we've stuck it out with each other for 30 years. Some of them rocky. We've seen each other at our best and our worst. And some of the adventures are known only to us, as they should be. LOL. She's a straight woman, a mother. I'm a single gay guy. We laugh about our long friendship and whatever perceptions have been out there over the years. Yet, between us there's been an honesty and mutual support that stands on its own.

The same goes for others in my life. I live individually and some of the best influences in my life are reciprocal.

Have spent quite a lot of time in my day with people who were dying, on their way out, going home, coming in for a landing, bitter at the turn of events, reflective, etc. - everyone sees it differently in my experience. To a one, each of them helped me be a better person. I was often awed to be a part of their time. I learned to say "Thank you".

And mean it.

Htom Sirveaux

(1,242 posts)
44. The predominent theme of this thread seems to be "other people help you grow".
Wed Mar 18, 2015, 09:23 PM
Mar 2015

I love the beautiful things that people have expressed, but it also makes me wonder: what do introverts with complicated relationships to their upbringing and no children do to grow?

kimbutgar

(21,111 posts)
39. Having an autistic son
Wed Mar 18, 2015, 09:11 PM
Mar 2015

The things I have experienced, the good and bad people I've met because of him and the challenges of keeping myself and marriage together have made me a stronger person.

Htom Sirveaux

(1,242 posts)
41. I'll bet. I've known a few autistic children.
Wed Mar 18, 2015, 09:16 PM
Mar 2015

I see the good in them, but I also can't imagine the strength required to provide the amount of support they need on the deep level of parenthood.

My hat's off to you.

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