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Related: About this forumJeb Bush, 20 Years After Conversion, Is Guided by His Catholic Faith
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/18/us/politics/jeb-bush-20-years-after-conversion-is-guided-by-his-catholic-faith.htmlMany of his priorities during his two terms as governor of Florida aligned with those of the Catholic Church including his extraordinary, and unsuccessful, effort to force a hospital to keep Terri Schiavo on life support, as well as less well-known, and also unsuccessful, efforts to appoint a guardian for the fetus of a developmentally disabled rape victim and to prevent a 13-year-old girl from having an abortion. He even, during his first year in office in 1999, signed a law creating a Choose Life license plate.
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As a public leader, ones faith should guide you, Mr. Bush said in Italy in 2009, explaining his attitude about the relationship between religion and politics at a conference associated with Communion and Liberation, a conservative Catholic lay movement.
In the United States, many people think you need to keep your faith, put it in a security box, if youre an elected official put it in a safety deposit box until you finish your service as a public servant and then you can go get it back, he added. I never felt that was appropriate.
The media prepping for the latest Bush is well underway.
djean111
(14,255 posts)Because I have noticed that "faith" seems to encourage some people to do things to other people that are authoritarian at best, horrid at worst. Gives them permission to inflict their faith on others. Scarier than a boogeyman, actually.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)"I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do, because I notice it always coincides with their own desires." -- Susan B. Anthony
Scary people. I wonder how constitutional this is eh?! Wrong in so many ways.
C_U_L8R
(44,889 posts)I didn't think so
trotsky
(49,533 posts)The pope disapproves of marriage equality and supports laws to make it illegal. So does Jeb.
The pope disapproves of abortion and supports laws to make it illegal. So does Jeb.
And so on.
Hoppy
(3,595 posts)Going back to Carlin, again, "Nothin' makes these guys come faster than strapping a guy in a chair and connecting a car battery to his nuts." That's our Republicans.
As for Republicans and wars, do I need to continue? (Yeah, I know, Hillary voted for the Iraq War.)
trotsky
(49,533 posts)Always fun to see them claim the other side aren't "true" Catholics.
merrily
(45,251 posts)Jeb follows his pope's guidance on some things. Do you dispute that fact?
Liberal Catholics follow it on others. Both reject the stuff they don't like.
merrily
(45,251 posts)Do you dispute that fact?
I neither dispute nor affirm. I have no idea what Jeb does or does not do in his private life or why he does it or does not do it. I doubt you do, either.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)Which would be the words you apparently put in my mouth.
But Jeb Bush is a Catholic, and has indeed followed the pope on the aforementioned issues.
merrily
(45,251 posts)and highly selective.
But Jeb Bush is a Catholic, and has indeed followed the pope on the aforementioned issues.
And has indeed not followed the pope on other issues. But, who cares if he follows the pope or not? That's between him and his pastor.
If your point is that Jeb is a good Catholic and that should make us look favorably on him for President, perhaps you don't understand the purpose of this board.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)Evidently you care quite a lot, since you've made such a big deal about this.
Lots of Republican Catholics also care a lot, since his values match up with theirs.
I'm going to ignore your last sentence since it was a ridiculous attack.
PassingFair
(22,434 posts)Danged if someone didn't come along and say it for me.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)PassingFair
(22,434 posts)...the second time I've used this idiot's image in the past two days!
Yesterday, I quit my job and I sent this to my family and friends:
Well, he's good for SOME things....
merrily
(45,251 posts)How about the death penalty?
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)the death penalty? Oh right, that would be none. Meanwhile politicians are routinely denied communion and threatened with excommunication for supporting abortion rights. The RCC real priorities are obvious.
merrily
(45,251 posts)I am not sure how you could have. However, the target of my Reply 7 was the claim that Jeb is obedient to the Pope.
Like most right wingers who claim to be Catholic, Jeb is not obedient to the Pope or, for that matter, to the Bible. Not saying he should or shouldn't be. Just saying he is not.
That is why I will always call them anti-abortion, not pro-life, as they prefer. Too many pride themselves on being strong on (snort) defense; they love them some death penalty; and they have no use for the poor.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)Or to the bible?
merrily
(45,251 posts)I made no claim about anyone else. Frankly, I could care less whether Biden and Kerry obey the Pope.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)Also, please explain what relevance these alleged violations have to anything and why you bring them up.
BTW, I would bet the Pope has violated something in the Bible too--and you as well. And everyone who ever lived. However, this thread is about Jeb Bush and, again, I responded to your false claim about Jeb's abiding by the Pope's teachings.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)but everyone on the entire planet violates some chapter or verse of the bible at one time or another. We can debate this point if you'd like, but I think you are aware of the reality of that situation, given your concluding paragraph. So what's the point?
And Jeb does abide by the pope's guidance. As much as Joe Biden or John Kerry do, I would guess.
Cleita
(75,480 posts)the teachings of Jesus in the gospels, are social democrats. Ask Sister Simone of Nuns on the Bus fame.
Cartoonist
(7,297 posts)I am guided by our Founding Fathers who held several truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. I also am guided by our Bill of Rights which guarantee freedom of religion for everybody.
Starboard Tack
(11,181 posts)Because they didn't consider women or members of other ethnicities to be equal.
Some Bill of Rights you got there.