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Related: About this forumMother Teresa Was No Saint
To canonize Mother Teresa would be to seal the lid on her problematic legacy, which includes forced conversion, questionable relations with dictators, gross mismanagement, and actually, pretty bad medical care. Worst of all, she was the quintessential white person expending her charity on the third world -- the entire reason for her public image, and the source of immeasurable scarring to the postcolonial psyche of India and its diaspora.
A 2013 study from the University of Ottawa dispelled the "myth of altruism and generosity" surrounding Mother Teresa, concluding that her hallowed image did not stand up to the facts, and was basically the result of a forceful media campaign from an ailing Catholic Church.
Although she had 517 missions in 100 countries at the time of her death, the study found that hardly anyone who came seeking medical care found it there. Doctors observed unhygienic, "even unfit," conditions, inadequate food, and no painkillers -- not for lack of funding, in which Mother Theresa's world-famous order was swimming, but what the study authors call her "particular conception of suffering and death."
"There is something beautiful in seeing the poor accept their lot, to suffer it like Christ's Passion. The world gains much from their suffering," Mother Teresa once told the unamused Christopher Hitchens.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/krithika-varagur/mother-teresa-was-no-saint_b_9470988.html
trotsky
(49,533 posts)How saintly.
rug
(82,333 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)trotsky
(49,533 posts)I took you off when I heard about the amnesty announcement. I had heard about your anger-filled blowup and thought you might come back from that somewhat changed.
I beg of you to reconsider this kind of snarky back-and-forth with a fellow DUer who was ALSO spared from serving the rest of his timeout for conduct. I know that in the past you have refused to acknowledge anything wrong with how rug acts (perfect example right in this thread - rather than discuss the topic, he engages in an ad hom against the author of the piece), but I really think you're better than that and would love to see you help raise the level of discourse.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)I will just say lead by example.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)Back on ignore.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Goblinmonger
(22,340 posts)You an admin?
But seriously, I think you're better than this. You and rug were the ones on forced timeout. Maybe reflect on that and act differently. Or not, I guess.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Goblinmonger
(22,340 posts)It really does come across as two people that were on a forced time out coming back to do more of the same given amnesty.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)I feel so ashamed!
Do me a favor and stop the your better than this line.
Goblinmonger
(22,340 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Goblinmonger
(22,340 posts)I think I've done pretty well lately.
And given I haven't had any hides for while and have never been on a 5-hide vacation, I'm pretty happy with how I'm doing.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)I should have never have said thise things to you.
We don't get along much but you did not deserve what I said to you.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)I note the language of non-apology in your apology though. Very clever. Might even fool a few of the observers of this thread.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)Think nothing more of it.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)I won't bring the issue up again either. It's resolved.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)edhopper
(33,543 posts)she is absolutely right about this, we should get rid of DST.
Right about Teresa and DST, 2 for 2. I will read more from her.
rug
(82,333 posts)One of the heavyweights of the Huffington Post stable.
edhopper
(33,543 posts)about sleep. Thanks again.
mr blur
(7,753 posts)(you may remember him from the 70's TV programme where he and a bishop attacked the Pythons John Cleese and Michael Palin for making Life of Brian and thus being beastly to Baby Jesus) once made a programme on this odious woman in which he claimed that Gawd had sent a mysterious Heavenly light into her hospital while he was there filming so that her saintly features would be visible on the film. There was apparently no other way that the interior of the gloomy, pokey little hospital would be visible.
The cameraman later expressed his appreciation for the new, sensitive Kodak film that he was using - for that very reason. But let's not let reality stand in the way of a good dose of bullshit, right?
But, hey, here's Hillary Clinton hand-in-hand with the Poison Dwarf:
Checkmate atheists!
trotsky
(49,533 posts)Humanist_Activist
(7,670 posts)Catholic Church itself. An immoral organization from the top down, a religion with few redeeming qualities and plenty abhorrent beliefs.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)Got an area of the world where your flock is drifting? Name a saint.
Iggo
(47,545 posts)Did she rack up her three miracles in order to qualify?
And remember, voters, this is the modern era, where "changed someone's mind on something" qualifies as a miracle.
Not like the good old days when magic ruled the earth.
edhopper
(33,543 posts)after the person is dead.
"I had a tummy ache, I thought about Teresa, tummy ache gone, poof...miracle!"
skepticscott
(13,029 posts)To paraphrase, the catholic church could canonize a ham sandwich.
edhopper
(33,543 posts)is a miracle
bvf
(6,604 posts)edhopper
(33,543 posts)mustard on a ham sandwich.
bvf
(6,604 posts)I think I misunderstood. I was thinking you meant you hated ham sandwiches so much that a good one would be...
Let's just say I overthought it.
Back to the topic: Poupon Mother Teresa.
edhopper
(33,543 posts)I love a good ham sandwich. But only with great ham. So much ham is bland,wet tasteless loaf.
A smoky black forest ham...as Homer Simpson would say...uuuuuuhhhhhhh.
An yeah, Teresa was a crazy bitch.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)But NOT with ham. You are right, mustard with ham. Miracle Whip with turkey.
edhopper
(33,543 posts)doesn't work for me. I even keep it off my BLTs.
You know Miracle Whip is the perfect analogy for Christian miracles.
Just a mix of chemicals masquerading as something real, and then calling it a "miracle".
trotsky
(49,533 posts)In fact, the church I grew up in (Minnesota Lutheran) probably could have been called that, given the usual sandwiches served.
edhopper
(33,543 posts)that explains it.
As does my middle-class Jewish upbringing.
Goblinmonger
(22,340 posts)but where I grew up in ND was in a very large Slavic Catholic outpost in the middle of very Scandinavian Lutheran ND. When we were going to go to a wedding, we had to figure out if it was a Slavic or Scandinavian dinner afterward. The Slavic weddings meant coffee, bland potato salad and lots of Miracle Whip. The Slavic wedding mean plenty of beer and good food.
Side note: We need to get beer and pizza again some time.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)But don't you tell them that!
I'll never forget the first gyro I had. "What? Food is allowed to have FLAVOR? There are other seasonings besides salt? MIND = BLOWN!" Though I will always have a soft spot for a good hotdish.
I'm always up for beer and pizza, my man. Anytime you are coming through town.
Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)trotsky
(49,533 posts)Goblinmonger
(22,340 posts)because I remember my first Scandinavian potato salad. LOVED my mom's. Lots of mustard and spices and flavor, so I took a big heap and was like "What the everloving hell is this?"
trotsky
(49,533 posts)That counts as seasoning in the Lutheran cookbook.
edhopper
(33,543 posts)which is great, compared to the mayonnaise crap that most delis sell.
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)Don't even get me started on the bread.
Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)Book of Condiments 1:15- Consume not the imitation mayo, for creamed vinegar is an abomination before the LORD.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)Miracle Whip is not "imitation mayo," it is a separate holy substance unto itself.
Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)...people might stumble upon our words and mistake them for a serious theological debate, and we might have inadvertently played a significant role in the Great Miracle Whip Pogrom of 4016.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)A perfect one of those will have this atheist saying "Thank you, god."
edhopper
(33,543 posts)Boars Head doesn't do it for me. I am picky when it comes to ham.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)There is lots of bad stuff out there.
Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)...I give you Cubanos.
Ham and turkey, Swiss cheese, and mustard (pickles optional) on French bread, flattened in a hot press until the bread is crispy and cheese melted.
If by chance I'm wrong and there is a God, this is the sandwich it eats when it gets hungry.... unless it's Cthulhu. It eats people when it gets hungry.
edhopper
(33,543 posts)Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)Just because you're not allowed to eat pork doesn't mean Allah can't.
edhopper
(33,543 posts)since all things are possible for God.
Turbineguy
(37,312 posts)the Sandwich Makers. For they shall inherit the mirth.
edhopper
(33,543 posts)Goblinmonger
(22,340 posts)-except for a nice MLT mutton, lettuce and tomato sandwich, where the mutton is nice and lean and the tomato is ripe. Theyre so perky, I love that."
edhopper
(33,543 posts)Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)Iggo
(47,545 posts)edhopper
(33,543 posts)until he supported trump.
Fuck him.
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)If Christians can turn a convicted felon into a zombie deity, why can't they turn a woman into an anointed one that embodies the principles of a felonious zombie deity?
struggle4progress
(118,268 posts)edhopper
(33,543 posts)Racist, apologetic and patronizing.
You hit the trifecta.
struggle4progress
(118,268 posts)By Ritika Katyal, for CNN
Updated 8:32 PM ET, Sun August 2, 2015
Of .. 300 million households surveyed, an overwhelming majority (73%) live in villages. Of this rural population, less than 5% earn enough to pay taxes, only 2.5% own a 4-wheeler vehicle and less than 10% have salaried jobs.
... Only 3.5% of students graduate and around 35.7% of residents can't read or write.
... the bulk of the Indian population is still overwhelmingly poor ...
http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/02/asia/india-poor-census-secc/
struggle4progress
(118,268 posts)PTI Feb 9, 2015, 09.06PM IST
NEW DELHI: India's monthly per capita income, the measure of standard of living, is likely to be at Rs 7,378.17 (USD 118.68) this financial year, up over 10 per cent from last year, after a revision in the method of calculations ...
http://articles.economictimes.indiatimes.com/2015-02-09/news/58967932_1_capita-income-constant-prices-central-statistics-office
On average, that is, a person in India has a daily income of about US$0.33
struggle4progress
(118,268 posts)Current conversion rates are around $0.015 per Indian rupee, so per capita GDP is around US$1316. The average Indian gets about 1/12 of that annually. The affluent do rather well in comparison:
... The average annual household income of India's affluent is Rs 1.5 million while the average age is 34 years ...
PTI | Jul 1, 2015, 05.40 PM IST
So "affluent" in India means an annual income around US$22500: this is about 200X the average annual per capita income there
Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)...now you say it's OK to give half-assed medical care to Indians because they're poor.
You know what? I'm fucking sick of your foul presence tainting my internets. To the iggy list with you. Give the others my regards.
struggle4progress
(118,268 posts)will leave a great void in my life
oldandhappy
(6,719 posts)I'm interested in some of the things I read that Saints have done. But realistically I doubt what we are told today is what happened. I respect people who try to wholly give of themselves. I guess I'd rather see societies make it possible for all people to have a chance to be whole and to live in a cooperative supportive creative way. Yes indeed, I am pollyanna!