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Fri Apr 22, 2016, 10:17 AM

Catholic Diocese in India Reinstates Priest Who Admitted Child Sex Abuse

http://blogs.wsj.com/indiarealtime/2016/04/22/catholic-diocese-in-india-reinstates-priest-who-admitted-child-sex-abuse/

A Roman Catholic diocese in southern India said Thursday it consulted with the Vatican before reinstating a priest who pleaded guilty last year to the sexual abuse of a minor in the U.S.

The suspension of the priest, Father Joseph Palanivel Jeyapaul, 61 years old, was lifted by Bishop Amalraj Arulappan from the Diocese of Ootacamund in the southern Indian state of Tamil Nadu, earlier this year, Father Sebastian Selvanathan, a spokesman for the diocese said.

Father Jeyapaul was deputed to serve in the Diocese of Crookston in Minnesota in the U.S. in 2004. He returned to India in September 2005 and two years later, criminal charges were filed against him in the U.S. accusing him of sexually abusing a girl between 2004 and 2005. Father Jeyapaul was suspended from the Indian diocese in 2010.

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The priest is living in the residential premises of the diocese, Father Selvanathan said, adding that “he has no responsibilities whatsoever.” When asked if Mr. Jeyapaul was prevented from having contact with children, Father Selvanathan said: “It is not a jail.” He didn’t comment on why Father Jeyapaul was reinstated.


Coming on the heels of the story I posted yesterday - Sex Abuse and the Catholic Church: Why Is It Still a Story? - well, there ya go. This is why it's still a fucking story. Here's a priest who admitted abusing children, and once again he's shuffled around and reinstated... and not prohibited from contact with children.

The church and its loyal defenders continue to sweep abuse under the rug. No big deal, it happens everywhere, what can you do. Well it's a big fucking deal whenever a child is abused. Yes it happens everywhere but in the RCC the situation is unique, and exacerbated by its teachings and practices, which continue to this day. And as to what you can do, how about you REMOVE THE ABUSER instead of protecting him and reinstating him?

Fuck all those whose response is a knee-jerk defense of their corrupt and harmful church.

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Reply Catholic Diocese in India Reinstates Priest Who Admitted Child Sex Abuse (Original post)
trotsky Apr 2016 OP
cleanhippie Apr 2016 #1
rug Apr 2016 #12
Eugene Apr 2016 #2
trotsky Apr 2016 #4
xfundy Apr 2016 #3
struggle4progress Apr 2016 #5
struggle4progress Apr 2016 #6
Major Nikon Apr 2016 #13
Iggo Apr 2016 #7
mr blur Apr 2016 #8
trotsky Apr 2016 #9
Major Nikon Apr 2016 #15
struggle4progress Apr 2016 #10
struggle4progress Apr 2016 #11
Major Nikon Apr 2016 #14
struggle4progress Apr 2016 #16
Major Nikon Apr 2016 #17
struggle4progress Apr 2016 #18
Major Nikon Apr 2016 #19
struggle4progress Apr 2016 #20
Major Nikon Apr 2016 #21
Warren Stupidity Apr 2016 #22
Major Nikon Apr 2016 #24
edhopper Apr 2016 #23
rug Apr 2016 #25
Major Nikon Apr 2016 #26
rug Apr 2016 #29
Major Nikon Apr 2016 #32
rug Apr 2016 #34
Major Nikon Apr 2016 #36
edhopper Apr 2016 #27
Major Nikon Apr 2016 #28
rug Apr 2016 #31
Major Nikon Apr 2016 #33
rug Apr 2016 #35
Major Nikon Apr 2016 #37
rug Apr 2016 #30
Lordquinton Apr 2016 #38
trotsky Apr 2016 #39
Lordquinton Apr 2016 #40
Act_of_Reparation Apr 2016 #41
trotsky Apr 2016 #42
mr blur Apr 2016 #43
cleanhippie Apr 2016 #47
cleanhippie Apr 2016 #44
Act_of_Reparation Apr 2016 #45
cleanhippie Apr 2016 #46

Response to trotsky (Original post)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 10:31 AM

1. Fortunately, the rug is becoming transparent and threadbare.

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Response to cleanhippie (Reply #1)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 07:30 PM

12. Speaking of threadbare and transparent, why have you stopped posting cartoons?

 

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Response to trotsky (Original post)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 11:19 AM

2. So nothing really changes in the end.

The real surprise is that the church is so flagrant about it.

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Response to Eugene (Reply #2)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 11:40 AM

4. Well, they made their choice about how to handle it.

Put a good PR guy at the top, and let his lovely words and photo ops win over the gullible masses, while changing absolutely nothing about the policies and procedures that are destroying lives.

The thing is, it really wasn't a choice. It was their only option, because anything else requires admitting error, and the One True Church isn't wrong about anything. Ever.

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Response to trotsky (Original post)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 11:32 AM

3. How DARE you question the Church?

It's ordained by GOD! It's one of his houses! He lives there! Sure, his roomies are perverts, but that's not HIS problem!

So goddamned sick of the shit that gets a pass because religion. Wouldn't vote to convict anyone who blew up all religions providing they didn't kill anyone in the process.

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Response to trotsky (Original post)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 11:47 AM

5. Diocese in India weighs lawsuit filed in Minnesota

POSTED: 04/20/16, 6:07 AM PDT
MINNEAPOLIS (AP) — A Catholic diocese in southern India is consulting attorneys about a lawsuit filed against it in the U.S. after it re-assigned a priest who was convicted of child sex abuse in Minnesota. The federal lawsuit was filed in Minnesota this week on behalf of Megan Peterson, who says the Rev. Joseph Palanivel Jeyapaul abused her in 2004 when he served at her church in Greenbush, Minnesota. Peterson was 14 or 15 years old at the time ... Her lawsuit seeks unspecified damages in excess of $75,000 from the Ootacamund Diocese in India's Tamil Nadu state. Jeyapaul pleaded guilty last year to molesting one girl. Under the plea deal, charges of molesting Peterson were dismissed ...
http://www.orovillemr.com/general-news/20160420/diocese-in-india-weighs-lawsuit-filed-in-minnesota

Tamil Nadu Diocese Weighs Lawsuit Filed in Minnesota Over Indian Priest
Posted: Thursday, April 21, 2016 5:30 pm
... Jeyapaul fled the United States after he was charged, but was arrested in India and eventually extradited to Minnesota. He pleaded guilty last year to molesting the one girl, whose name hasn't been made public. Jeyapaul was sentenced to a year in jail, but was freed because he had served almost three years in jail fighting extradition and awaiting trial ...
http://www.indiawest.com/news/global_indian/tamil-nadu-diocese-weighs-lawsuit-filed-in-minnesota-over-indian/article_d9401d7c-081b-11e6-9186-a7a4cba0bf64.html

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Response to trotsky (Original post)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 11:51 AM

6. "... The priest is living in the residential premises of the diocese ...“he has no responsibilities

whatsoever” ..."

meh

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Response to struggle4progress (Reply #6)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 10:07 PM

13. No responsibilities doesn't mean no contact with children

The very best you can say about it is the RCC aided the international flight of a child rapist and awarded him with a cushy retirement once he got out of jail. Seems just a bit much to award that with a "meh", wouldn't you say?

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Response to trotsky (Original post)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 01:25 PM

7. They must have a different pope than the rest of Catholonia.

No way Frank the Pleasant would let that happen on his watch.

Right?

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Response to trotsky (Original post)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 01:41 PM

8. Well there's the problem, in a nutshell -

 

The priest is living in the residential premises of the diocese", Father Selvanathan said, adding that “he has no responsibilities whatsoever".

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Response to mr blur (Reply #8)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 01:57 PM

9. In what other profession can one admit to sexually abusing a child...

and not only be reinstated to one's job, but be given the bonus of not having to do any work?

What a great church. Way to go, Pope Awesome!

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Response to trotsky (Reply #9)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 10:59 PM

15. Seems to have worked for Ted Nugent

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Response to trotsky (Original post)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 02:51 PM

10. Catholic priest gets no prison time in Minnesota child sex abuse cases

By Sarah Volpenhein
on Jun 15, 2015 at 1:18 p.m.

... Jeyapaul pleaded guilty to 4th-degree criminal sexual conduct in Roseau County District Court ...

Jeyapaul .. exploited information the victim .. disclosed to him, such as the fact the girl wanted to become a nun, to get closer to her ..

The girl first met Jeyapaul on a bus ride to a conference .. when she was 15 years old ...

She told police .. Jeyapaul began calling her at her home and telling her he would marry her if he were younger ...

.. on her 16th birthday, Jeyapaul forced her to touch him, kissed her and pulled her on top of him while at his home ...


http://www.grandforksherald.com/news/crime-and-courts/3766714-catholic-priest-gets-no-prison-time-minnesota-child-sex-abuse-cases

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Response to trotsky (Original post)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 02:56 PM

11. 609.345 CRIMINAL SEXUAL CONDUCT IN THE FOURTH DEGREE.

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Response to struggle4progress (Reply #11)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 10:11 PM

14. Regardless of what he pleaded this down to, it's child rape

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Response to Major Nikon (Reply #14)

Sat Apr 23, 2016, 12:05 AM

16. No, it actually isn't child rape, according to the news account I posted upthread:

it's certainly battery (in the sense of unwanted physical contact), and it seems to involve some forced groping of the adult by the unwilling child -- all assuming, of course, that the press account is correct

It sounds like she claims something more or less along these lines: he put her hand on his crotch, kissed her, grabbed her, and pulled her down on top of himself. If that's the case, then it's icky -- but it's not rape. It also sounds like he said he didn't do it, but perhaps "protested too much." After three years in jail, in the course of extradition from India and awaiting trial, he pleaded and got a year sentence, so was out on time served. My natural reaction to a guilty plea is always, OK, then, guilty! -- but I also recognize that people can sometimes plead guilty just to cut their losses and get on with their lives. Of course, forcing the US to extradite him does rather suggest a guilty mind

This is in the news today because another resident of Minnesota recently decided to sue the diocese in India for something she says happened in Minnesota. I'd guess that's a bit of a stretch, unless there's a lot more to the story than is in the press so far

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Response to struggle4progress (Reply #16)

Sat Apr 23, 2016, 12:19 AM

17. It actually is child rape

There were at least two victims involved, which also means he's a repeat offender at best or a serial child rapist at worst. No telling how many of his victims never came forward.

Peterson, who grew up in Greenbush, Minn., says she was a devout 14-year-old altar server and church choir member when the Rev. Joseph Jeyapaul first raped her in his parish office.

The abuse continued for a year and some of the attacks took place in the church confessional.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/church-put-teen-rapist-charge-india-diocese-suit-article-1.2607753

Meh?

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Response to Major Nikon (Reply #17)

Sat Apr 23, 2016, 12:48 AM

18. He wasn't convicted of rape. And the exact allegations are not clear from news accounts I've found

Here's what Peterson says, for example:

Megan: It is important to have discussions with the youth about good touch and bad touch. Open dialogue at an early age ensures that if something does occur, they would feel safe speaking to their parents or another trustworthy adult.
http://www.thenewsminute.com/article/priest-jeyapauls-victim-megan-speaks-tnm-church-ignores-sex-crimes-or-worse-hides-them-42053

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Response to struggle4progress (Reply #18)

Sat Apr 23, 2016, 02:00 AM

19. It actually is child rape

Does this make it clear enough?

He asked me to take a seat on the couch and turned to fetch the book. It was at that point that I heard the sound of a pants zipper. I figured it had been left down by accident so I turned away. It was then that I heard him breathing heavily and coming towards me. When I looked back, he had his penis exposed and was touching himself. He asked me to touch him and I refused. Father Jeyapaul then told me that it was a sin if I didn't cooperate. He raped me, both orally and vaginally.

http://www.snapnetwork.org/megan_peterson_profile

He raped her numerous times and then the disgusting meatbag made her confess her sins to him.

Meh?

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Response to Major Nikon (Reply #19)

Sat Apr 23, 2016, 03:35 AM

20. ... There was no conviction in a second case against Jeyapaul ... In that case, charges were filed

in 2006 after Megan Peterson ... accused Jeyapaul of sexually abusing her .. in 2004 and 2005. Prosecutor Heidi Fisher Davies said she dropped the charges in that case because "there were issues that arose that would have made it very difficult to get a conviction." She declined to discuss any specifics, saying the information that led to the dismissal is confidential under Minnesota law ...

Catholic priest gets no prison time in Minnesota child sex abuse cases
By Sarah Volpenhein
on Jun 15, 2015 at 1:18 p.m.

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Response to struggle4progress (Reply #20)

Sat Apr 23, 2016, 09:04 AM

21. Catholic priest child rapist gets no jail time, news at 11

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Response to Major Nikon (Reply #21)

Sat Apr 23, 2016, 09:09 AM

22. Only in the religion forum is defending child rapers

 

standard practice. The disgusting performance in this thread is standard for that poster.

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Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #22)

Sat Apr 23, 2016, 09:29 AM

24. Very telling that

First it was the child that got raped never actually said he raped her, then when that myth got destroyed we are back to he only got convicted for forcing another child to touch his penis, so that means he's not a rapist.

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Response to struggle4progress (Reply #20)

Sat Apr 23, 2016, 09:14 AM

23. So if there is "no conviction"

it didn't happen? I guess OJ never killed anyone either.

Even rug is staying away from this one. Your defenses of the RCC is noted.

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Response to edhopper (Reply #23)

Sat Apr 23, 2016, 09:46 AM

25. That's because this is flamebait for the converted.

 

Neither the OP nor most of the responses to this have had, do have, or will have a single good thought about the RCC. To posture that this horrid priest therefore justifies that hatred is putrid both in sentiment and in logic. The prejudice and malice is too deeply ingrained to discus the difference between criminals and institutional practices and an entire institution.

To paraphrase the OP: Fuck all those whose response is a knee-jerk attack on
an entire religion.

Anti-religious bigotry, even when wrapped in the courageous, controversial and convenient cloak of defending children, remains bigotry.

Let me know when you want to discuss the epidemic of child abuse without the religious bigotry your confreres are compelled to spew.

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Response to rug (Reply #25)

Sat Apr 23, 2016, 09:59 AM

26. Thousands of horrid priests, many of which are still in the organization, which even Frank admits

Yet you can't seem to do so. Very telling that.

This is yet another countless example of the RCC, all the way from the top, giving another monster a safe landing, free to prey on other children. But anyone who points out that the RCC is still rotten to the core as ever by offering relevant examples must be a bigot.

I have to admit rug, even for you this level of apologia for [strike]child abuse[/strike] child rape is pretty damn amazing.

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Response to Major Nikon (Reply #26)

Sat Apr 23, 2016, 11:14 AM

29. I might be able to consider you seriously

 

but for the fact that, with or without the institutional abse, you would have precisely the same view of the Catholic Church.

Are you able to admit that?

Otherwise, I have no triuck with anyone who uses child rape to promote an otherwise intact religious bigotry.

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Response to rug (Reply #29)

Sat Apr 23, 2016, 11:29 AM

32. I'm happy to admit that

As if that alone wasn't bad enough, institutionalized child rape is but one reason for criticism of organized religion. There's plenty of others.

Now it's your turn.

You've already been busted for fallaciously equating anti-theism to bigotry. Are you able to admit those two things are not the same?

I'll look forward to your honest and straightforward answer.

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Response to Major Nikon (Reply #32)

Sat Apr 23, 2016, 11:35 AM

34. Anti-theism per se is not bigotry.

 

Particular anti-theism such as anto-Catholicism, anti-semitism, and Islamophobia is.

And your admission is incomplete. There is no evident circumstance under which you would say Catholicism is a good. You don't need a reason. Loathing a religious group, or any other cognizable group, unconditionally, without reason is bigotry

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Response to rug (Reply #34)

Sat Apr 23, 2016, 12:05 PM

36. "unconditionally"



If you are going to insist on your completely baseless and intellectually bankrupt allegation that I'm a bigot, I have no qualms at all in pointing out how utterly and ridiculously full of shit you are.

Religious bigotry is not a subset of anti-theism anymore than religious bigotry is a subset of theism, and arguably less so as the vast majority of religious bigotry is institutionalized within the tenants of the most prominent organized religions.

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Response to rug (Reply #25)

Sat Apr 23, 2016, 11:01 AM

27. Discussing the epidemic of child abuse

without condemning the corrupt institution of the RCC is pointless.

I don't think Christian belief leads to child abuse. But i do think the Vatican and the clergy are a cult that will do anything and overlook any harm to protect it's own. it has more to do with a corrupt and criminal organization that is bent on keeping it's hold on society and it's power over people to spread it's doctrine than religion per se. Where religion comes in is the attitude of being the one true emissary of God and having it's agenda right by divine providence. That just leads to more corruption.

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Response to edhopper (Reply #27)

Sat Apr 23, 2016, 11:10 AM

28. You gotta love the pretzel logic here

More than happy to discuss the shocking levels of child rape within the RCC, but not with anyone who brings it up because if they do so that means they are a bigot. So we must wait for him to do so, which he won't, but if he does, that makes him a bigot (and a hypocrite).

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Response to Major Nikon (Reply #28)

Sat Apr 23, 2016, 11:26 AM

31. Not nearly the level of pretzel logic required for you to assert the twelve aposteles

 

were the very first Christian pedophile ring.

In this very thread.

You've out-Chicked Jack Chick.

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Response to rug (Reply #31)

Sat Apr 23, 2016, 11:31 AM

33. Conveniently ignoring your pretzel logic with more pretzel logic. Brilliant!

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Response to Major Nikon (Reply #33)

Sat Apr 23, 2016, 11:38 AM

35. There is quite a difference between what you consider logic and what I consider logic.

 

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Response to rug (Reply #35)

Sat Apr 23, 2016, 12:07 PM

37. Obviously

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Response to edhopper (Reply #27)

Sat Apr 23, 2016, 11:21 AM

30. Except to do so the phenemonon of child sexual abuse outside the RCC.

 

Which makes it about religion and not child abuse itself. Which makes the discussion pointless.

I'm glad you acknowledge the religious belief does not lead to child abuse, unlike cleanhippie who has remained conspicuosly silent after claiming that.

The recent accounts demonstrate the lengths an institution will go to for corporate self-defense. But the religiously bigoted are all too quick to leap into unsupported conclusions about the religion itself.

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Response to trotsky (Original post)

Sun Apr 24, 2016, 02:05 PM

38. Actually arguing what is and isn't rape?

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Response to Lordquinton (Reply #38)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 09:05 AM

39. Well now, protecting the church and its hierarchy of celibate men is important.

You gotta split some pretty fine hairs. Now let's not bicker and argue about who raped who...

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Response to trotsky (Reply #39)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 02:56 PM

40. What you did there?

I saw it.

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Response to trotsky (Original post)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 03:07 PM

41. 40 Replies

I see 11.

My spidey senses detect possible Cathosplaining.

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Response to Act_of_Reparation (Reply #41)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 03:34 PM

42. It's nice not being subjected to that, isn't it? n/t

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Response to Act_of_Reparation (Reply #41)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 04:57 PM

43. You got one more than me! (nt)

 

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Response to mr blur (Reply #43)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 11:15 AM

47. I need to follow your lead.

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Response to Act_of_Reparation (Reply #41)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 08:04 PM

44. The worst part is the claim that children werent actually raped because the rapist wasn't convicted

Seriously, that is being argued here.

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Response to cleanhippie (Reply #44)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 10:34 PM

45. No conviction means no crime.

Sounds like something a lawyer might say.

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Response to Act_of_Reparation (Reply #45)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 10:35 PM

46. Or an asshole.

Sometimes it can be difficult to tell the difference.

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