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Eugene

(61,595 posts)
Tue Jun 14, 2016, 03:25 PM Jun 2016

Speaker Ryan Rejects Trump's Muslim Ban After Orlando Attack

Source: ABC News

Speaker Ryan Rejects Trump's Muslim Ban After Orlando Attack

By BENJAMIN SIEGEL Jun 14, 2016, 2:05 PM ET

House Speaker Paul Ryan stood by his criticism of Donald Trump’s proposed ban on Muslim immigration Tuesday, saying it was against the country’s interests.

“I stand by remarks,” Ryan said today in a news conference at the Republican National Committee. “I do not think a Muslim ban is in our country's interest. I do not think it is reflective of our principles.”

The Wisconsin Republican, referencing the House GOP's election-year national security agenda and the House's vote last year on a proposal to pause Syrian refugee resettlement in the United States, said the "smarter way to go is to have a security test and not a religious test."

“This is a war with radical Islam. It's not a war with Islam. Muslims are our partners. The vast, vast majority of Muslims around this country and around the world are moderate. They're peaceful, they're tolerant,” he said.

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Speaker Ryan Rejects Trump's Muslim Ban After Orlando Attack (Original Post) Eugene Jun 2016 OP
Someone is feeling the heet. Wellstone ruled Jun 2016 #1
Ryan is dead wrong skepticscott Jun 2016 #2
You've linked to a hate site. rug Jun 2016 #3
So CBS News, the Telegraph, Pew Global Research skepticscott Jun 2016 #4
That's not what you've linked to. rug Jun 2016 #5
Says the guy who unabashedly supports skepticscott Jun 2016 #6
I understand why your only course is deflection and a smiley. rug Jun 2016 #9
Somehow, I'm able to distinguish skepticscott Jun 2016 #10
Are you claiming it's not a hate site? rug Jun 2016 #11
It's your claim..prove it skepticscott Jun 2016 #12
Ok, run away, scottie. rug Jun 2016 #13
Not going anywhere skepticscott Jun 2016 #14
I'm laughing at your jury paranoia. rug Jun 2016 #15
Not paranoid about that jury at all skepticscott Jun 2016 #16
Still can't answer the question, scottie? rug Jun 2016 #17
Keep trying..your claim, your proof skepticscott Jun 2016 #18
It's proved. rug Jun 2016 #20
. hrmjustin Jun 2016 #21
! rug Jun 2016 #24
I can't judge on hides because I had my own breakdown but that website is appalling. hrmjustin Jun 2016 #25
But never for linking to a hate site. rug Jun 2016 #26
Very true. I am embarrased how I treated the poster I treated very badly with 7 hides. hrmjustin Jun 2016 #27
Gee, you mean like this? skepticscott Jun 2016 #36
Yes, like the hate site you posted on this board. rug Jun 2016 #40
You posted it to support your position as well skepticscott Jun 2016 #43
The difference is, my position is that you used a hate site for support. rug Jun 2016 #44
Just as you did skepticscott Jun 2016 #45
That's it? rug Jun 2016 #48
So let's get you on record skepticscott Jun 2016 #53
You were done here a dozen posts ago. rug Jun 2016 #54
Yep, we're done skepticscott Jun 2016 #56
Skinner has said that is a hate site. Please link directly to non-hate site polls uppityperson Jun 2016 #60
Well, I guess it's better than Trump's blanket bigotry. mr blur Jun 2016 #7
What kind of website is that? It looks like something you would see linked to on a right wing site. hrmjustin Jun 2016 #19
Bandwagon fan are the worst. cleanhippie Jun 2016 #22
Which doesn't answer the question. What kind of site is it? hrmjustin Jun 2016 #23
It's very critical about religion, Islam in particular. You'll think it's a hate site because you're cleanhippie Jun 2016 #28
I think it is a hate site because I can read. hrmjustin Jun 2016 #29
Oh, why didn't you say so earlier? That's changes everything. cleanhippie Jun 2016 #31
Prove it skepticscott Jun 2016 #32
Perhaps we should just ask skinner what he thinks of that site being posted on his site? hrmjustin Jun 2016 #38
Why don't you first ask rug skepticscott Jun 2016 #41
Well lets just go to ata about it. hrmjustin Jun 2016 #42
Feel free skepticscott Jun 2016 #46
Done and I am patient. hrmjustin Jun 2016 #47
Well we didn't have to wait long for a response. hrmjustin Jun 2016 #50
I see you had to lie skepticscott Jun 2016 #55
What lie did I say? hrmjustin Jun 2016 #57
Intellectual dishonesty doesn't become you skepticscott Jun 2016 #58
Oh I get it. You need to make excuses after the owner of this site made clear his opinion hrmjustin Jun 2016 #59
Give it a rest, Justin. You're embarrassing yourself. mr blur Jun 2016 #61
How so? hrmjustin Jun 2016 #62
What possible context is there for linking to a hate site to promote your views? rug Jun 2016 #63
Republicans probably think skepticscott Jun 2016 #33
Are you honestly comparing DU to this sewer? rug Jun 2016 #34
Did I say I was? skepticscott Jun 2016 #35
Yes, you did, scottie. rug Jun 2016 #39
But they can read! cleanhippie Jun 2016 #49
Without a need for cartoons. rug Jun 2016 #51
. cleanhippie Jun 2016 #52
It's a hate site because it promotes hatred of Muslims... Violet_Crumble Jun 2016 #64
I'm not religious, and I rarely agree with Rug, but yes this IS a hate-site LeftishBrit Jun 2016 #66
So has he unendorsed him? Warren Stupidity Jun 2016 #8
whats ironic with Ryan drray23 Jun 2016 #30
I don't think he regrets it. trotsky Jun 2016 #37
Glad to hear that.. LeftishBrit Jun 2016 #65
 

skepticscott

(13,029 posts)
4. So CBS News, the Telegraph, Pew Global Research
Tue Jun 14, 2016, 09:44 PM
Jun 2016

and the other sources for the opinion polls are all hate sites?

If you'd care to dispute the legitimacy of those polls, feel free, ruggie...but you've got your work cut out for you. You'll need to do more than just link to someone else's opinion about where they're posted.

 

rug

(82,333 posts)
5. That's not what you've linked to.
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 04:38 AM
Jun 2016

You've linked to an explicitly islamophobic site in the same vein as counterjihadreport,com, Pam Geller, and World News Daily.

As disgusting as it is unsurprising.

 

rug

(82,333 posts)
9. I understand why your only course is deflection and a smiley.
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 12:54 PM
Jun 2016

The fact remains, you linked to a hate website. The link is the only way to distinguish it from one of your unattributed posts.

 

skepticscott

(13,029 posts)
10. Somehow, I'm able to distinguish
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 01:06 PM
Jun 2016

Reliable and accurate information from background noise. Sorry if you can't, or if you choose to discount something because you don't like the source.

As far as it being a "hate" site, if you actually thought that, you would have alerted on me. But wait..don't tell us you tried, and the jury threw it back in your face? Imagine that.

And deflection? That's what you started with ruggie. Trying to distract from legitimate polls from CBS and Pew, by ranting about who else picked them up and posted them after the fact. Sad fail.

 

rug

(82,333 posts)
11. Are you claiming it's not a hate site?
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 01:09 PM
Jun 2016

I'm all ears.

Oh, and your jury paranoia is showing. Understandably.

You linked to a hate site. Since called on it, the only deflection is coming from you.

 

skepticscott

(13,029 posts)
12. It's your claim..prove it
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 02:04 PM
Jun 2016

Go ahead..alert on my post for linking to an alleged "hate site".

See if you can get a jury to swallow your bullshit with whipped cream and a few lies on top.

I'll wait.

 

skepticscott

(13,029 posts)
14. Not going anywhere
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 03:38 PM
Jun 2016

Gonna sit right here until you prove your bullshit claim, and have the stones to post the jury results on the alert I challenged you to make. Or until I laugh myself silly at your pathetically failed attempts to do either.

Tick tock, dude.

 

skepticscott

(13,029 posts)
16. Not paranoid about that jury at all
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 04:07 PM
Jun 2016

I'm betting you alerted on my post the first chance you had, because that's what you do. And all of this is just your backup plan after the jury made you eat a shit sandwich. But hey, prove me wrong there, too. Say "I did NOT alert on your post" and we'll see what shakes out.

And like I said, it's your claim. If you had any proof worth spitting on, you would have put it up a long time ago. Saying "look, someone else agrees with my bullshit" isn't proof. That's just the Internet.

Try again. Can't wait for those jury results.

 

rug

(82,333 posts)
17. Still can't answer the question, scottie?
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 04:09 PM
Jun 2016

How about Jihad Watch? You like that site too? They support your link.

 

rug

(82,333 posts)
24. !
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 09:39 PM
Jun 2016

DU juries have been his bogeyman nearly a dozen times in the last 90 days alone.

One of us should go to ATA and ask Skinner to use that music at the end to announce jury alerts.

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
25. I can't judge on hides because I had my own breakdown but that website is appalling.
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 09:43 PM
Jun 2016

And Skinner was specific that Islamophobia has no place here.

And of course his lawyer had to change the subject.

 

rug

(82,333 posts)
26. But never for linking to a hate site.
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 09:46 PM
Jun 2016

I've read a lot of hate-filled posts but rarely using a hate site to "prove" them.

Truly fucked up.

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
27. Very true. I am embarrased how I treated the poster I treated very badly with 7 hides.
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 09:49 PM
Jun 2016

And he graciously forgave me.

Thos was totally inappropriate and I hope he deletes it and never posts it on DU again.

 

skepticscott

(13,029 posts)
36. Gee, you mean like this?
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 09:10 AM
Jun 2016
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1218231059#post34

You condemned this as a hate site, and now you're linking to it. Can't get your story straight, can ya, ruggie??
 

rug

(82,333 posts)
40. Yes, like the hate site you posted on this board.
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 09:39 AM
Jun 2016

The difference is, you posted it to support your position.

You're really embarassing yourself.

 

skepticscott

(13,029 posts)
43. You posted it to support your position as well
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 09:46 AM
Jun 2016

The difference is??

Talk about embarrassing yourself...

 

rug

(82,333 posts)
44. The difference is, my position is that you used a hate site for support.
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 09:48 AM
Jun 2016

Amply demonstrated.

Hint, scottie: doubling down and posting smileys is not a defense.

 

skepticscott

(13,029 posts)
53. So let's get you on record
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 11:53 AM
Jun 2016

Is it OK to link to a hate site for certain reasons, but not others, or is it never OK under any circumstances?

If you don't have the courage to give a straight answer, we're done here.

Tick Tock

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
19. What kind of website is that? It looks like something you would see linked to on a right wing site.
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 04:32 PM
Jun 2016

cleanhippie

(19,705 posts)
28. It's very critical about religion, Islam in particular. You'll think it's a hate site because you're
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 10:06 PM
Jun 2016

Last edited Thu Jun 16, 2016, 01:59 AM - Edit history (1)

Religious.

 

skepticscott

(13,029 posts)
32. Prove it
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 07:38 AM
Jun 2016

Show us where the "hate" is on that site. I suspect you'll fail as lamely and as miserably as rug. And of course neither of you can even begin to dispute my actual point (can you even enunciate it?). All you can do is flap your lips and whine "hate site!"

Frankly, what's sick and fucked up is people who keep pushing the notion that pointing out the ugly, evil shit that religion leads people to say and do is worse than the people actually saying and doing the ugly, evil shit.

But, as cleanhippie says, I guess you'll do anything to protect religious privilege.

 

skepticscott

(13,029 posts)
41. Why don't you first ask rug
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 09:44 AM
Jun 2016

what his jury said? Skinner has said he'll defer to that, right?

Oh, and rug is linking to that site as well. Why don't you ask him to check with Skinner and see if he's OK with that?

 

skepticscott

(13,029 posts)
46. Feel free
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 09:51 AM
Jun 2016

to run to daddy. I'm sure he'll appreciate your vigilance.

Of course, knowing ata, you may be waiting a long time

 

skepticscott

(13,029 posts)
58. Intellectual dishonesty doesn't become you
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 12:07 PM
Jun 2016

Last edited Thu Jun 16, 2016, 05:36 PM - Edit history (1)

Nor does disingenuousness.

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
59. Oh I get it. You need to make excuses after the owner of this site made clear his opinion
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 12:09 PM
Jun 2016

of that site.

Do go on with you elaborate deflections.

 

skepticscott

(13,029 posts)
33. Republicans probably think
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 07:46 AM
Jun 2016

that DU is a hate site. Though I suspect that perspective eludes our friends here.

 

rug

(82,333 posts)
34. Are you honestly comparing DU to this sewer?
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 08:26 AM
Jun 2016
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/articles/opinion-polls.aspx

Islam breeds arrogance and self-absorption, which accounts for the collective petulance and perpetual grievance that characterizes Muslim populations in general - along with the astonishing unwillingness to extend equal moral consideration to those outside the religion.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/site/about-site.aspx

Glen Roberts, Editor of TheReligionofPeace.com

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glen_L._Roberts
 

skepticscott

(13,029 posts)
35. Did I say I was?
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 09:06 AM
Jun 2016

No. Just more shit you made up because you have no real argument.

I said some Republicans probably see DU as a "hate site". Gee, imagine..since there are people who post here that hate Republicans and post nasty things about them all day. Sorry you can't get your brain around that ruggie..but not surprised.

And btw, I notice that you're linking to what you've condemned as a "hate site", just to make a point. Which is actually what you've been ranting at me for doing this whole thread.

 

rug

(82,333 posts)
39. Yes, you did, scottie.
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 09:37 AM
Jun 2016
Republicans probably think that DU is a hate site.

In your eagerness to proclaim your bias you've become unable to distinguish criticsm from hate.

Violet_Crumble

(35,954 posts)
64. It's a hate site because it promotes hatred of Muslims...
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 05:59 AM
Jun 2016

It's not merely critical of religion. It, like the ones listed in the link below, move far beyond criticism of religion and into promoting hatred of adherents of a religion. In the US where Muslims are a minority and face hatred from right wingers as well as some who claim to be on the left, groups like this are incredibly dangerous and hateful. If you want to criticise religion, go find a site that focuses on that and not on trying to spread hatred of those who follow the religion.

https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/intelligence-report/2015/active-anti-muslim-groups

Skinner also pointed out it's a hate site. For the record I'm not religious and the site you and others are defending is every bit as hateful and bigoted as the anti-semitic and racist groups that the SPLC also lists.

LeftishBrit

(41,192 posts)
66. I'm not religious, and I rarely agree with Rug, but yes this IS a hate-site
Mon Jun 20, 2016, 09:07 AM
Jun 2016

They imply that Muslims are almost the sole source of terrorism; that they are far worse than any other religion. It is not critical of all religions 'especially Islam'; it is critical just of Islam -and worse, of Muslims as a group.

One can usually judge a site by its links. The sites linked by this site include Front Page Magazine, Faith Freedom, American Center for Democracy, Islamization Watch, etc. Mostly neocon at best, paranoid about immigrants at worst.

drray23

(7,587 posts)
30. whats ironic with Ryan
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 11:31 PM
Jun 2016

is that he almost dodged the bullet. He hesitated a lot before endorsing Trump. The day after he finally does it, Trump goes all out. That was when he made this statement about Judge Curiel. Since then, it has been downhill day after day. I bet Ryan regrets ever having endorsed Trump.

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
37. I don't think he regrets it.
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 09:16 AM
Jun 2016

A full generation and a half have come of age now since Reagan brought the "government is the problem" meme into the mainstream. He sowed the seeds for complete dysfunction in that party, with loyalty to it put above loyalty to the country or one's fellow citizens. Rare today is the Republican willing to take a stand for what's truly right, like Pat Toomey did yesterday supporting the filibuster.

LeftishBrit

(41,192 posts)
65. Glad to hear that..
Mon Jun 20, 2016, 08:51 AM
Jun 2016

Not that I trust the likes of Ryan further than I could throw them, but even he is not as extremist as Trump. It would admittedly be hard to be. Even Nigel Farage and Marine LePen (though not her even-further-right father) have accused him of going too far.

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