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Related: About this forumSpeaker Ryan Rejects Trump's Muslim Ban After Orlando Attack
Source: ABC News
By BENJAMIN SIEGEL Jun 14, 2016, 2:05 PM ET
House Speaker Paul Ryan stood by his criticism of Donald Trumps proposed ban on Muslim immigration Tuesday, saying it was against the countrys interests.
I stand by remarks, Ryan said today in a news conference at the Republican National Committee. I do not think a Muslim ban is in our country's interest. I do not think it is reflective of our principles.
The Wisconsin Republican, referencing the House GOP's election-year national security agenda and the House's vote last year on a proposal to pause Syrian refugee resettlement in the United States, said the "smarter way to go is to have a security test and not a religious test."
This is a war with radical Islam. It's not a war with Islam. Muslims are our partners. The vast, vast majority of Muslims around this country and around the world are moderate. They're peaceful, they're tolerant, he said.
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Read more: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/speaker-ryan-rejects-trumps-muslim-ban-orlando-attack/story?id=39850324
Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)His sugar daddy's are a squeezing.
skepticscott
(13,029 posts)Last edited Fri Jun 17, 2016, 05:19 PM - Edit history (1)
About a "vast, vast majority". Boilerplate ass kissing.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/articles/opinion-polls.asp
rug
(82,333 posts)skepticscott
(13,029 posts)and the other sources for the opinion polls are all hate sites?
If you'd care to dispute the legitimacy of those polls, feel free, ruggie...but you've got your work cut out for you. You'll need to do more than just link to someone else's opinion about where they're posted.
rug
(82,333 posts)You've linked to an explicitly islamophobic site in the same vein as counterjihadreport,com, Pam Geller, and World News Daily.
As disgusting as it is unsurprising.
skepticscott
(13,029 posts)the most homophobic organization on the planet.
rug
(82,333 posts)The fact remains, you linked to a hate website. The link is the only way to distinguish it from one of your unattributed posts.
skepticscott
(13,029 posts)Reliable and accurate information from background noise. Sorry if you can't, or if you choose to discount something because you don't like the source.
As far as it being a "hate" site, if you actually thought that, you would have alerted on me. But wait..don't tell us you tried, and the jury threw it back in your face? Imagine that.
And deflection? That's what you started with ruggie. Trying to distract from legitimate polls from CBS and Pew, by ranting about who else picked them up and posted them after the fact. Sad fail.
rug
(82,333 posts)I'm all ears.
Oh, and your jury paranoia is showing. Understandably.
You linked to a hate site. Since called on it, the only deflection is coming from you.
skepticscott
(13,029 posts)Go ahead..alert on my post for linking to an alleged "hate site".
See if you can get a jury to swallow your bullshit with whipped cream and a few lies on top.
I'll wait.
rug
(82,333 posts)It's informative to know where you get the crap you post.
skepticscott
(13,029 posts)Gonna sit right here until you prove your bullshit claim, and have the stones to post the jury results on the alert I challenged you to make. Or until I laugh myself silly at your pathetically failed attempts to do either.
Tick tock, dude.
rug
(82,333 posts)I notice you never answered the question about whether your link is a hate site.
While you're waiting, answer it.
Dude.
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2007/11/the-religion-of-peace-site-needs-our-help
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jihad_Watch
skepticscott
(13,029 posts)I'm betting you alerted on my post the first chance you had, because that's what you do. And all of this is just your backup plan after the jury made you eat a shit sandwich. But hey, prove me wrong there, too. Say "I did NOT alert on your post" and we'll see what shakes out.
And like I said, it's your claim. If you had any proof worth spitting on, you would have put it up a long time ago. Saying "look, someone else agrees with my bullshit" isn't proof. That's just the Internet.
Try again. Can't wait for those jury results.
rug
(82,333 posts)How about Jihad Watch? You like that site too? They support your link.
skepticscott
(13,029 posts)Those jury results can't be that hard to find.
rug
(82,333 posts)Watch out for the Bogeyman.
DU juries have been his bogeyman nearly a dozen times in the last 90 days alone.
One of us should go to ATA and ask Skinner to use that music at the end to announce jury alerts.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)And Skinner was specific that Islamophobia has no place here.
And of course his lawyer had to change the subject.
rug
(82,333 posts)I've read a lot of hate-filled posts but rarely using a hate site to "prove" them.
Truly fucked up.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)And he graciously forgave me.
Thos was totally inappropriate and I hope he deletes it and never posts it on DU again.
skepticscott
(13,029 posts)You condemned this as a hate site, and now you're linking to it. Can't get your story straight, can ya, ruggie??
rug
(82,333 posts)The difference is, you posted it to support your position.
You're really embarassing yourself.
skepticscott
(13,029 posts)The difference is??
Talk about embarrassing yourself...
rug
(82,333 posts)Amply demonstrated.
Hint, scottie: doubling down and posting smileys is not a defense.
skepticscott
(13,029 posts)Try again.
rug
(82,333 posts)Multiple system failure.
skepticscott
(13,029 posts)Is it OK to link to a hate site for certain reasons, but not others, or is it never OK under any circumstances?
If you don't have the courage to give a straight answer, we're done here.
Tick Tock
rug
(82,333 posts)skepticscott
(13,029 posts)uppityperson
(115,674 posts)mr blur
(7,753 posts)And better than backing up that arsehole.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)Be original, if you can be.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)Last edited Thu Jun 16, 2016, 01:59 AM - Edit history (1)
Religious.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)skepticscott
(13,029 posts)Show us where the "hate" is on that site. I suspect you'll fail as lamely and as miserably as rug. And of course neither of you can even begin to dispute my actual point (can you even enunciate it?). All you can do is flap your lips and whine "hate site!"
Frankly, what's sick and fucked up is people who keep pushing the notion that pointing out the ugly, evil shit that religion leads people to say and do is worse than the people actually saying and doing the ugly, evil shit.
But, as cleanhippie says, I guess you'll do anything to protect religious privilege.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)skepticscott
(13,029 posts)what his jury said? Skinner has said he'll defer to that, right?
Oh, and rug is linking to that site as well. Why don't you ask him to check with Skinner and see if he's OK with that?
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Skinner can give us his opinion on that site.
skepticscott
(13,029 posts)to run to daddy. I'm sure he'll appreciate your vigilance.
Of course, knowing ata, you may be waiting a long time
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)skepticscott
(13,029 posts)And leave out the context.
What a shock.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)skepticscott
(13,029 posts)Last edited Thu Jun 16, 2016, 05:36 PM - Edit history (1)
Nor does disingenuousness.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)of that site.
Do go on with you elaborate deflections.
mr blur
(7,753 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)rug
(82,333 posts)skepticscott
(13,029 posts)that DU is a hate site. Though I suspect that perspective eludes our friends here.
rug
(82,333 posts)http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/site/about-site.aspx
Glen Roberts, Editor of TheReligionofPeace.com
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glen_L._Roberts
skepticscott
(13,029 posts)No. Just more shit you made up because you have no real argument.
I said some Republicans probably see DU as a "hate site". Gee, imagine..since there are people who post here that hate Republicans and post nasty things about them all day. Sorry you can't get your brain around that ruggie..but not surprised.
And btw, I notice that you're linking to what you've condemned as a "hate site", just to make a point. Which is actually what you've been ranting at me for doing this whole thread.
rug
(82,333 posts)In your eagerness to proclaim your bias you've become unable to distinguish criticsm from hate.
cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)rug
(82,333 posts)Violet_Crumble
(35,954 posts)It's not merely critical of religion. It, like the ones listed in the link below, move far beyond criticism of religion and into promoting hatred of adherents of a religion. In the US where Muslims are a minority and face hatred from right wingers as well as some who claim to be on the left, groups like this are incredibly dangerous and hateful. If you want to criticise religion, go find a site that focuses on that and not on trying to spread hatred of those who follow the religion.
https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/intelligence-report/2015/active-anti-muslim-groups
Skinner also pointed out it's a hate site. For the record I'm not religious and the site you and others are defending is every bit as hateful and bigoted as the anti-semitic and racist groups that the SPLC also lists.
LeftishBrit
(41,192 posts)They imply that Muslims are almost the sole source of terrorism; that they are far worse than any other religion. It is not critical of all religions 'especially Islam'; it is critical just of Islam -and worse, of Muslims as a group.
One can usually judge a site by its links. The sites linked by this site include Front Page Magazine, Faith Freedom, American Center for Democracy, Islamization Watch, etc. Mostly neocon at best, paranoid about immigrants at worst.
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)Of course not.
drray23
(7,587 posts)is that he almost dodged the bullet. He hesitated a lot before endorsing Trump. The day after he finally does it, Trump goes all out. That was when he made this statement about Judge Curiel. Since then, it has been downhill day after day. I bet Ryan regrets ever having endorsed Trump.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)A full generation and a half have come of age now since Reagan brought the "government is the problem" meme into the mainstream. He sowed the seeds for complete dysfunction in that party, with loyalty to it put above loyalty to the country or one's fellow citizens. Rare today is the Republican willing to take a stand for what's truly right, like Pat Toomey did yesterday supporting the filibuster.
LeftishBrit
(41,192 posts)Not that I trust the likes of Ryan further than I could throw them, but even he is not as extremist as Trump. It would admittedly be hard to be. Even Nigel Farage and Marine LePen (though not her even-further-right father) have accused him of going too far.