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rug

(82,333 posts)
Fri Jul 8, 2016, 06:05 AM Jul 2016

Castile’s murder is the racist claim that “black culture is a victim cult” in action (Graphic)

July 7, 2016
by Martin Hughes



The above video is of the aftermath of Philando Castile’s murder by a police officer who shot him when he was putting his hands up after the police officer told him to stop reaching for his license and registration, right after asking for it and being informed by Castile (as he was supposed to do) that he had a gun.

What is frightening here is that we are only taking this case seriously because Philando Castile’s girlfriend. Diamond “Lavish” Reynolds shot video of a cop who was more interested in arguing with her that his shooting was justified then rushing the shot man to the hospital and seeing if he was OK. He was still aiming his gun at Philando Castile’s dying body in the video, as if trying to defend his action. Like so much of white society, his concern was not to help, but to insist his actions were justified, to insist that he was not racist. And what he failed to realize — and what a lot of white society fails to realize — is that nobody cared, at that moment, how goddamn guilty he felt. We didn’t need him to rub his hands anxiously about his white guilt. We needed him to fix the problem.

And he displaced his guilt onto the girlfriend, as if he had to displace it and blame everything on her. SHE was arrested. HE pulled the gun and held it there, pointed in the car after the shot. And instead of rushing the man to the hospital, his white guilt made him point the gun at HER. The problem was her complaining and protesting. The problem is that she was playing a victim and making him feel bad — not that he had just discriminated against a black man, shooting him in cold blood and needed to rush him to a hospital ASAP. And because SHE was the problem, SHE was the one who was taken to jail, without food and water, separated from her kid, with no news of her boyfriend’s fate until 3am the next morning. And this mentality is what leads to the myth that black culture is the problem, because they’re a “victim cult” that is complaining about nothing — an attitude that also is behind the fact that, upon making it to the hospital, the medical staff would have likely thought that he was experiencing less pain than a white person, according to several studies, including this recent one.

This is especially disturbing as I’ve seen how stubbornly this racism is defended. The most major argument I’ve been engaged in has been with The Amazing Atheist (TJ Kirk) and his cronies, who say that black people need to just suck up the fact that racism exists in this country, that they should stop complaining if they want to stop being part of a “victim cult,” that they are allowed to talk about poverty, but not about race, when it comes to unequal treatment. As if their complaints about being abused are their own damn fault.



http://www.patheos.com/blogs/barrierbreaker/philando-castiles-murder-amd-the-harm-of-the-amazing-atheists-racist-victim-cult-label/
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Castile’s murder is the racist claim that “black culture is a victim cult” in action (Graphic) (Original Post) rug Jul 2016 OP
"Victim Culture"? no_hypocrisy Jul 2016 #1
Is it legal for the police to just decide to hold (arrest?) his girlfriend? Jim__ Jul 2016 #2
They need probable cause that a crime was cmmitted to arrest someone. rug Jul 2016 #3
In there a timeframe from when one asks for a lawyer cleanhippie Jul 2016 #4
No, it varies from state to state, usually as the result of a lawsuit. rug Jul 2016 #5
Thanks cleanhippie Jul 2016 #8
A Litella arrest? Hmmmmmm ... Jim__ Jul 2016 #6
Heh. rug Jul 2016 #7

no_hypocrisy

(45,771 posts)
1. "Victim Culture"?
Fri Jul 8, 2016, 09:45 AM
Jul 2016

Bullshit!

This is societal genocide.

Two days ago, I was pulled over by a cop for (admittedly) going through a Stop sign. I'm female and white and I wasn't shot when I went to get my documents. And treated with courtesy and deference.

OF COURSE, there are two (or more) standards depending on who you are (and can't change).

Jim__

(14,045 posts)
2. Is it legal for the police to just decide to hold (arrest?) his girlfriend?
Fri Jul 8, 2016, 02:43 PM
Jul 2016

Can the police legally detain people without pressing charges?

 

rug

(82,333 posts)
3. They need probable cause that a crime was cmmitted to arrest someone.
Fri Jul 8, 2016, 08:45 PM
Jul 2016

Sometimes it takes them hours to look for the crime after the fact.. Then they'll let the person go. It's a Litella arrest.



In this case,

Diamond Reynolds was reportedly released within hours of the shooting, and it isn’t known whether she might face any charges related to the traffic stop. In the video, Reynolds could be heard admitting that the couple had a small amount of marijuana in the car in addition to having a broken taillight.

http://www.inquisitr.com/3282615/diamond-reynolds-arrested-girlfriend-who-took-video-of-philando-castile-dying-after-being-shot-by-police-taken-into-custody-following-traffic-stop-for-broken-taillight/#IuzrSWzeQtiW6K2T.99

It's all bullshit of course.

cleanhippie

(19,705 posts)
4. In there a timeframe from when one asks for a lawyer
Sat Jul 9, 2016, 12:24 AM
Jul 2016

And when one actually get to see one or be released?

 

rug

(82,333 posts)
5. No, it varies from state to state, usually as the result of a lawsuit.
Sat Jul 9, 2016, 12:37 AM
Jul 2016

In NYC Legal Aid sued the NYPD and there's been a 24 hour rule to get a defendant before a judge or to release him or her.

Beyond that, the standard applied is a "reasonable" time, whatever that is.

Interestingly, they don't have to provide a lawyer unless they question a defendant and if he asks for one. They don"t even have to tell you there's a lawyer outside for you unless you asked for him. When a family is actually able to hire a lawyer to go to the station house to represent their family member, the police don't have to let him in or tell the defendant there's a lawyer for him outside.

Overall, it's a very coercive and oppressive atmosphere from the moment a cop lays hands on a defendant. And that time period is when the vast majority of confessions are extracted.

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