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struggle4progress

(118,041 posts)
Sat Jul 16, 2016, 11:22 PM Jul 2016

Trump-Pence the Most Anti-Catholic Republican Ticket in Modern History

Christopher J. Hale
7:06 PM ET

... Catholics have voted for the winner of the popular vote in almost every presidential election since Franklin D. Roosevelt. (They just didn’t like Ike in ’52) ...

In February, Trump attacked the wildly popular Pope Francis as being “disgraceful” and a “political pawn.” Perhaps that helps explain why Hillary Clinton holds a remarkable seventeen-point lead (56% to 39%) against Trump among Catholics. Among Latino Catholics, the margin balloons to fifty-one points (77% to 16%) ...

Mike Pence ... fought hard against Pope Francis and the Catholic Church’s attempt to resettle Syrian refugees in Indiana. Citing security concerns after last November’s Paris attacks, Pence tried to pressure the local Catholic Charities into longer welcoming and housing refugees fleeing violence and terrorism in the Middle East. However, Joseph Tobin, Indianapolis’s archbishop, courageously defied the governor’s orders. Tobin said at the time that welcoming refugees “is an essential part of our identity as Catholic Christians, and we will continue this life-saving tradition” ...

... If Donald Trump and Mike Pence and Hillary Clinton and her running mate want to fight for Christian values, then ensure this is a nation that fights for God’s dreams of a place where the last are first, the poor are blessed, and enemies are loved ...


http://time.com/4409456/trump-pence-catholicism/

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Trump-Pence the Most Anti-Catholic Republican Ticket in Modern History (Original Post) struggle4progress Jul 2016 OP
This is about politics Cartoonist Jul 2016 #1
They are interchangeable, interdependent terms in this country, dontcha know ? nt King_Klonopin Jul 2016 #6
Pence IS Catholic. onecaliberal Jul 2016 #2
What it means that Pence called himself an ‘evangelical Catholic’ struggle4progress Jul 2016 #3
Meh Lithos Jul 2016 #4
He left the Catholic Church and became an evangelical. n/t pnwmom Jul 2016 #5
Does anyone claim Pence is a practicing Catholic? No Vested Interest Jul 2016 #7
Doesn't look like it. rug Jul 2016 #9
The author elides the nature of Pence's "record on religious liberty" muriel_volestrangler Jul 2016 #8
Thanks for the link to the poll struggle4progress Jul 2016 #10
It looks like white Catholics are close to or within the margin of error. rug Jul 2016 #11

struggle4progress

(118,041 posts)
3. What it means that Pence called himself an ‘evangelical Catholic’
Sat Jul 16, 2016, 11:53 PM
Jul 2016

By Michelle Boorstein July 15

... One of the more publicly shared accounts of Pence’s transition from a Catholic youth minister who wanted to be a priest to an evangelical megachurch member came in 1994. That’s when he told the Indianapolis Business Journal about an intense period of religious searching that he underwent in college. “I made a commitment to Christ,” Pence said, speaking of the late 1970s. “I’m a born-again, evangelical Catholic” ... In the 1994 piece, Pence calls himself Catholic, and then by 1995, the Indianapolis Star was reporting that Pence was attending an evangelical megachurch ...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2016/07/15/what-it-means-that-mike-pence-called-himself-an-evangelical-catholic/

Lithos

(26,397 posts)
4. Meh
Sun Jul 17, 2016, 01:45 AM
Jul 2016

Pence is about as contrary to the Pope as you can be on most issues save for anti-Abortion... But you can't spin this as Pro-Life as he fails on the other points associated with Pro-Life.

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No Vested Interest

(5,157 posts)
7. Does anyone claim Pence is a practicing Catholic?
Sun Jul 17, 2016, 03:04 AM
Jul 2016

I realize he was brought up in the Catholic faith, but understood that upon his marriage (and remarriage) to a wife who is an evangelical Christian, that he didn't identify as a Catholic any longer.

Correct me if I'm wrong (with sources.)

muriel_volestrangler

(101,155 posts)
8. The author elides the nature of Pence's "record on religious liberty"
Sun Jul 17, 2016, 05:49 AM
Jul 2016
Republicans too have been troubled by Pence’s record on religious liberty. Conservative intellectual David French just accused Pence of throwing religious liberty “under the bus” during his tenure as governor.
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Want to be a champion for the Christian cause? Make sure that this is a nation where mercy reigns supreme, a country where black lives matter, where LGBT lives matter, and so too do the lives of refugees, the imprisoned, the unborn and anyone else who suffers dehumanization, exclusion and injustice.

The thing is, French's accusation is that Pence caved over the reaction to Indiana's religious freedom restoration act. French wanted more anti-LGBT legislation than Pence felt able to give. The author is taking a Catholic pro-refugee action, and an anti-LGBT religious act, and trying to make it look as if they're all part of the same thing, although he appears to be pro-LGBT himself.

Trump is currently losing the Catholic vote because Hispanic Catholics are rising in numbers.



He's still ahead among 'white Catholics'. That was the June 20012 and 2016 figures; when you look at the actual exit poll numbers, you find white Catholics voted 59% Romney, 40% Obama.

http://www.pewforum.org/2012/11/07/how-the-faithful-voted-2012-preliminary-exit-poll-analysis/

Let's hope they don't prove so willing to vote Republican in the booth this year.

struggle4progress

(118,041 posts)
10. Thanks for the link to the poll
Sun Jul 17, 2016, 12:19 PM
Jul 2016

I suspect actual campaign strategists will use a more finely-grained analysis: that is, one is also interested in (say) female/male, rural/urban and white-/blue- collar splits, since such differences between white and hispanic catholics may reflect other demographic differences

Thus, on average, hispanics are younger than the US population as a whole, whereas the Catholic population as a whole is aging. There are also geographic differences in demography, which matter when one wants to tune messages regionally for electoral college victory: non-Hispanic Catholics are disproportionately in the Northeast and Midwest, whereas Hispanic Catholics are disproportionately in the South and West

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