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rug

(82,333 posts)
Wed Sep 7, 2016, 07:15 AM Sep 2016

The 10 religious sites every atheist should see



Koya San, Japan

Ben Groundwater
Sep 7 2016

Here's a question: if you don't believe in the religion, should you be allowed to gawk at its places of worship?

I've always felt just the tiniest bit uncomfortable when touring religious sites – churches, temples, synagogues and the like – knowing I'm not a believer. It gives those visits an air of voyeurism, that I'm peering in at something I'll never be part of, and maybe it's not welcome.

For all atheistic travellers, that must be something of a problem. But still, there's huge value in visiting these sites. Some have helped to shape the history of the world; others are just amazing artworks or testaments to spiritual devotion. Even for non-believers, these religious sites are must-sees.

La Sagrada Familia, Spain

This is probably the most impressive religious structure in the entire world, and it isn't even finished yet. Antoni Gaudi's masterpiece is stunning both inside and out, from its creepy melted-wax exteriors to its soaring ceiling that looks like the canopy of a concrete forest. You don't have to be religious in any way to appreciate the mastery and beauty of La Sagrada Familia.



La Sagrada Familia: St Peter's Basilica and Notre Dame might hog most of the attention, but by far the most impressive church you'll ever see – in fact maybe even the most impressive building you'll ever see, full stop – is La Sagrada Familia in Barcelona. Gaudi's masterpiece is stunning from the outside, and even more amazing on the inside.

http://www.traveller.com.au/the-10-religious-sites-every-atheist-should-see-gr9ox4
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The 10 religious sites every atheist should see (Original Post) rug Sep 2016 OP
St. Peter's is nice anoNY42 Sep 2016 #1
Would a looney toon say this? rug Sep 2016 #2
Broken clocks are also right twice a day... anoNY42 Sep 2016 #3
Start. rug Sep 2016 #4
+1 cleanhippie Sep 2016 #10
don't forget that their god gave us evil Angry Dragon Sep 2016 #20
Nice trick for something that doesn't exist. rug Sep 2016 #22
Ah, yes. Let me jump in here. Missn-Hitch Sep 2016 #24
That is no different than "the idea of nation". rug Sep 2016 #25
The columns at St. Peter's look like twisting black snakes Brettongarcia Sep 2016 #8
I look at them Cartoonist Sep 2016 #5
What do you see here? rug Sep 2016 #6
The Church giving away some food Brettongarcia Sep 2016 #9
I think they serve cherries there Lordquinton Sep 2016 #11
It's not a rorschach test, Bretton. rug Sep 2016 #17
An attempt to assuage their guilt Cartoonist Sep 2016 #12
How's this? rug Sep 2016 #18
the red door Angry Dragon Sep 2016 #21
A heap of stones. Jerry442 Sep 2016 #19
Laos temple town excited it's on world map with Obama visit rug Sep 2016 #7
U.S.A. football stadiums are the weirdest religious sites on the planet. hunter Sep 2016 #13
Football is a fertility religion Brettongarcia Sep 2016 #23
You must like Freud a lot. rug Sep 2016 #26
One guy with his hands up... 3catwoman3 Sep 2016 #28
The only thing I like about it is the slow motion one-armed catches in replays. rug Sep 2016 #29
Many decades ago, okasha Sep 2016 #31
Who would think you'd find Poe's Law in the Reader's Digest? rug Sep 2016 #33
Saw 2 Reubens at a cathedral in Antwerp Belgium. lark Sep 2016 #14
If it wasn' for religious sites throughout the world many would have to stay home or sunburn in the demosincebirth Sep 2016 #15
They missed so many awesome places. geardaddy Sep 2016 #16
A fascinating sight: Buzz Clik Sep 2016 #27
$3.49 gas! rug Sep 2016 #30
I'm an atheist. I visit religious sites all the time. Always have done so. Solly Mack Sep 2016 #32
Ah, the closest I've come to seeing these is The Cloisters in NYC. rug Sep 2016 #34
My favorite to date has been St Mark's Basilica in Venice, Italy. Solly Mack Sep 2016 #36
Artists will find expression for their artistic drive wherever and whenever an opportunity... Nitram Sep 2016 #35
 

rug

(82,333 posts)
2. Would a looney toon say this?
Wed Sep 7, 2016, 07:30 AM
Sep 2016


Our world is facing a refugee crisis of a magnitude not seen since the Second World War. This presents us with great challenges and many hard decisions. On this continent, too, thousands of persons are led to travel north in search of a better life for themselves and for their loved ones, in search of greater opportunities. Is this not what we want for our own children? We must not be taken aback by their numbers, but rather view them as persons, seeing their faces and listening to their stories, trying to respond as best we can to their situation. To respond in a way which is always humane, just and fraternal. We need to avoid a common temptation nowadays: to discard whatever proves troublesome. Let us remember the Golden Rule: “Do unto others as you would have them do unto you”.
 

anoNY42

(670 posts)
3. Broken clocks are also right twice a day...
Wed Sep 7, 2016, 08:03 AM
Sep 2016

I'm not saying Francis is all bad (he is way better than Benedict), but one has to be a bit looney to believe there is an all-powerful god (or gods, or spirits, or whatever) who loves us all except those children to whom He gives cancer...

And don't get me started on the special craziness that is Catholic doctrine...

Missn-Hitch

(1,383 posts)
24. Ah, yes. Let me jump in here.
Thu Sep 8, 2016, 10:04 AM
Sep 2016

I don't want to trespass on the author's response but I would say "the idea of God". Now this absolutely exists. Hamas provides charity as well. Cheers to both for helping people.

 

rug

(82,333 posts)
25. That is no different than "the idea of nation".
Thu Sep 8, 2016, 01:09 PM
Sep 2016

Or numerous other ideologies that exist.

In any event, if the ideology arises from humans, spending time blaming a god is pretty foolish.

Brettongarcia

(2,262 posts)
8. The columns at St. Peter's look like twisting black snakes
Wed Sep 7, 2016, 10:28 AM
Sep 2016

The altar no less?

Benini's baldachin; the high altar over the reported grave of St. Peter himself.

Brettongarcia

(2,262 posts)
9. The Church giving away some food
Wed Sep 7, 2016, 10:33 AM
Sep 2016

While teaching the people to follow spirit. And functionally to neglect the material sciences, agronomy, that would have fed them far better, and by their own efforts.

Cartoonist

(7,314 posts)
12. An attempt to assuage their guilt
Wed Sep 7, 2016, 12:13 PM
Sep 2016

Why not show the whole building instead of a doorway into some dark alley?

Jerry442

(1,265 posts)
19. A heap of stones.
Wed Sep 7, 2016, 03:05 PM
Sep 2016

Go look for the real cathedrals such as, Principia Mathematica, Origin of the Species, Relativity: The Special and General Theory, and A Structure for Deoxyribose Nucleic Acid.

 

rug

(82,333 posts)
7. Laos temple town excited it's on world map with Obama visit
Wed Sep 7, 2016, 09:42 AM
Sep 2016


U.S. President Barack Obama walks from Sim, or main building, which houses a large Buddha statue, with Deputy Director of the Department of Foreign Affairs Luang Prabang Mrs. Vanpheng Keopannha, as he tours the Wat Xieng Thong Buddhist Temple in Luang Prabang, Laos, Wednesday, Sept. 7, 2016. (AP Photo/Carolyn Kaster) THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

http://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2016-09-07/laos-temple-town-excited-its-on-world-map-with-obama-visit

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wat_Xieng_Thong

hunter

(38,309 posts)
13. U.S.A. football stadiums are the weirdest religious sites on the planet.
Wed Sep 7, 2016, 12:24 PM
Sep 2016

Baseball, I can almost understand; baseball has rhythms similar to many other religious services, although, just like the Catholic Church, women are excluded from playing in the big leagues.

I've attended a few high school football games, but that's it. The structure of the ceremony is not pleasing to me.

Architecturally, the basilicas of baseball are generally more interesting than those of football.

Brettongarcia

(2,262 posts)
23. Football is a fertility religion
Thu Sep 8, 2016, 07:25 AM
Sep 2016

Encouraged by beautiful female cheerleaders, very male figures work down field like wriggling spermatocytes, trying to score. The strongest display of male virility wins. All male rivals are vanquished.

3catwoman3

(23,966 posts)
28. One guy with his hands up...
Thu Sep 8, 2016, 01:34 PM
Sep 2016

...another guy's crotch has always seemed a bit odd to me.

In the interest of transparency, I find football mind-numbingly boring.

okasha

(11,573 posts)
31. Many decades ago,
Thu Sep 8, 2016, 10:26 PM
Sep 2016

there was a Reader's Digest article arguing exactly that. It was a spoof, of course, but apparently some took/take it seriously.

lark

(23,083 posts)
14. Saw 2 Reubens at a cathedral in Antwerp Belgium.
Wed Sep 7, 2016, 01:13 PM
Sep 2016

I remember the paintings well, they were stunningly beautiful. The rest of the church was very nice, great condition, tons of detail work, but the paintings were totally amazing.

demosincebirth

(12,536 posts)
15. If it wasn' for religious sites throughout the world many would have to stay home or sunburn in the
Wed Sep 7, 2016, 02:00 PM
Sep 2016

tropical heat of familiar places.

Solly Mack

(90,762 posts)
32. I'm an atheist. I visit religious sites all the time. Always have done so.
Thu Sep 8, 2016, 10:32 PM
Sep 2016

Love the art. Enjoy the history & beautiful buildings. I find it more than a little silly for anyone to think an atheist wouldn't visit historical buildings simply because they are places of worship. I don't have to buy into a deity to appreciate the beauty of a painting or a building. I don't feel odd or strange about doing so either. Can't think of a rational reason why it would present a problem for an atheist or why anyone would find it problematic.

 

rug

(82,333 posts)
34. Ah, the closest I've come to seeing these is The Cloisters in NYC.
Fri Sep 9, 2016, 08:10 AM
Sep 2016


Although as it is, it's more a tribute to a whim of John D. Rockefeller. Jr. than it is to religion.

http://www.metmuseum.org/visit/met-cloisters

Solly Mack

(90,762 posts)
36. My favorite to date has been St Mark's Basilica in Venice, Italy.
Sat Sep 10, 2016, 08:36 PM
Sep 2016

The various influences, especially Byzantine & Arab/Islamic, that created most of Venice were beautiful to behold.

A small church in Mannheim, the Jesuitenkirche, where Mozart visited frequently, and there is a in memorial dedication plaque outside the church. Beautiful church. Baroque style/art. I always stopped by when walking about downtown Mannheim. I lived there for almost a decade.

I love old graveyards, too. The older the better. The art and detail work put into gravestones, both humorous and religious, is fascinating.




Nitram

(22,776 posts)
35. Artists will find expression for their artistic drive wherever and whenever an opportunity...
Fri Sep 9, 2016, 08:40 AM
Sep 2016

presents itself. Michelangelo and hundreds of other artists and master craftsmen have created marvelous architectural designs and other works of art. The church was the center of power and money for so long it is natural that it was the sponsor for many of these. In my mind the fact that a religion paid for the works is irrelevant. The artistry of the artists they employed found full expression under their patronage, and the particular religion involved is tangential. I have no problem admiring the works of art and architecture all over the world that I've had the pleasure to contemplate. I see them as a testament to mankind's incredible creative drive, not to any particular god or religion.

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