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Tue Sep 20, 2016, 09:36 PM

 

Chelsea bomber ,"Smart, funny, humble" before, "had become more religious"

Isn't it a reconfirmation of the ill effects of religion that becoming more religious is associated with transforming from a "Smart, funny, humble" to a terrorist?

Let's even say this person became disaffected due to a feud with his family. Isn't it an indictment of religion that it should give a violent justification and outlet to some unrelated anger?

Ahmad Rahami: Fixture in Family’s Business and, Lately, a ‘Completely Different Person’

(..) Ahmad Khan Rahami (..) In recent years, though, some friends noticed a marked change in his personality and religious devotion after what they believed was a trip to Afghanistan, where he and his relatives are from.

(..) Around four years ago, though, Mr. Rahami disappeared for a while. Mr. Jones said one of the younger Rahami brothers told him that he had gone to Afghanistan. When he returned, some patrons noticed a certain transformation. He grew a beard and exchanged his typical wardrobe of T-shirts and sweatpants for traditional Muslim garb. He began to pray in the back of the store.

His previous genial bearing turned more stern. “It’s like he was a completely different person,” Mr. Jones said. “He got serious and completely closed off.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/20/nyregion/ahmad-khan-rahami-bombing-suspect.html?_r=0

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Reply Chelsea bomber ,"Smart, funny, humble" before, "had become more religious" (Original post)
Albertoo Sep 2016 OP
uppityperson Sep 2016 #1
Albertoo Sep 2016 #2
kacekwl Sep 2016 #3
Albertoo Sep 2016 #4
trotsky Sep 2016 #6
Iggo Sep 2016 #7
rug Sep 2016 #5
cpwm17 Sep 2016 #8

Response to Albertoo (Original post)

Tue Sep 20, 2016, 09:38 PM

1. Are extremists religious? Extremism is the problem, imo

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Response to uppityperson (Reply #1)

Tue Sep 20, 2016, 09:44 PM

2. But religion is giving the "moral imprimatur" to grievances

 

If "unbelievers are the worst of creatures" as the Quran says, why would it not be OK to impose things on them, by force if necessary?

Taking this present example: it's harder to justify to oneself planting bombs in NY if one doesn't have the 'holy' back-up excuse of waging a holy war for some convoluted reason.

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Response to uppityperson (Reply #1)

Tue Sep 20, 2016, 10:50 PM

3. I've found everything in excess

is bad.

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Response to kacekwl (Reply #3)

Wed Sep 21, 2016, 12:10 AM

4. Some things can be bad, even in moderation. Like Arsenic.

 

When a religious text tells you to slay the unbelievers,
I do not see what amount of moderate use is going to make those verses good.

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Response to uppityperson (Reply #1)

Wed Sep 21, 2016, 08:22 AM

6. Religion's extra tricky because it's got no brakes for extremism.

Political philosophies, etc., eventually have to put up or shut up. It's a good part of the reason communism collapsed - enough people saw through the lies because they could observe the shortages, etc.

All of religion's "error correction", if it existed, would only be in the afterlife. Nothing here and now that a true believer will accept to overturn their beliefs.

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Response to uppityperson (Reply #1)

Wed Sep 21, 2016, 10:39 AM

7. Yes. Extremely, in fact. (n/t)

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Response to Albertoo (Original post)

Wed Sep 21, 2016, 05:09 AM

5. I've seen the same transformation in people who go from belief to avid antitheism.

 

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Response to rug (Reply #5)

Wed Sep 21, 2016, 03:44 PM

8. And they don't have to do the killing themself

 

since they can cheer on the power of the US Government to commit the mass murder. There are far more dead inferiors that way.

Though I still think it's preferable that people would stop believing in these religions.

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