Update: U.S. bishops say Senate health care bill will wreak havoc on families

[guillaumeb]

From the article:

"On Thursday, Senate Republicans released their version of a bill aimed at repealing the Affordable Care Act, drawing swift condemnation from one prominent Catholic health group, which said it is “strongly opposed” to the measure. Catholic bishops took a more nuanced view, strongly condemning portions of the bill that they say harm the social safety net but praising language that would restrict funding for abortion providers."

To read more:

https://www.americamagazine.org/politics-society/2017/06/22/update-us-bishops-say-senate-health-care-bill-will-wreak-havoc-families

[Freethinker65]

1. Catholic Hospitals need Medicaid $$

The Bishops know they need the Medicaid $$ for the hospitals to survive.

The Catholic Church's opinions on female reproductive health issues is well known.

[guillaumeb]

5. True.

And the criticism of Trumpcare is valid.

[mopinko]

2. yeah, they want theirs.

the catholic church makes A.LOT of money on their hospitals. i imagine they, like the public hospital here in chitown, and quite happy to have such an increase in the number of insured using their hospitals. it lets them off the hook for charity care.
the big catholic hospital by me has been in hot water over shirking charity care. back in the day they felt it was their job to care for the poor. seems they arent so interested in that any more.

[guillaumeb]

6. And if hospitals close due to Trumpcare,

there will be increased pressure on the remaining hospitals to provide charity care.

[trotsky]

3. It's too bad the RCC has been so crucial in undermining support for Obamacare.

Isn't there some bible verse about that? You reap what you sow?

[AtheistCrusader]

4. I lost count of the number of lawsuits they filed. Quelle surprise they cheer abortion

related defunding/cessation.

Basically a pack of jackals with funny hats/coats.

[Act_of_Reparation]

9. 43 institutions filed suit, I believe.

[guillaumeb]

7. An allegation. eom

[trotsky]

8. The truth.

I'm sorry it upsets you. No wait, I'm not sorry. Deal with it.

The RCC threw its massive warchest into suing the federal government so that it wouldn't have to offer contraception coverage for its employees. Even non-Catholic ones. This contributed to the false perception that Obamacare was somehow "forcing" people to get abortions, or pay for them. It undermined the success of Obamacare.

DEAL WITH IT.

[AtheistCrusader]

11. Michigan Catholic Conference v. Burwell

"The court also gave hope to Catholic groups last month when it struck down a lower court’s ruling requiring the University of Notre Dame to follow the birth-control mandate. That court will now revisit the case from the Roman Catholic university.

The Michigan Catholic Conference, which describes itself as the "official voice of the Catholic Church in Michigan," had joined with other Catholic ministries to demand an exemption from the financial penalties for not providing contraceptives in employee healthcare plans."

[guillaumeb]

14. Which does not prove that the allegation is correct.

What was "crucial" in undermining support for the ACA was that the GOP is determined that no Democratic ideas, even ones based on a GOP state plan, will be allowed to stand. McConnell and the other GOP racists cannot forgive President Obama for winning the Presidency twice. Plus they must do what their 1% owners tell them to do.

[AtheistCrusader]

16. They funded it. They led a multi-state barrage of lawsuits.

At the very least, someone else would have had to do the dirty work, with standing in court.

[guillaumeb]

17. Agreed, and that "someone" could have been another lawyer representing another corporation,

or another denomination. But there is no one crucial factor here, there are a multitude of factors. And given that there are many Democratic office holders who hold a similar position, this is mainly but not solely a partisan divide.

[AtheistCrusader]

18. Any excuse. Wow.. You amaze.

[guillaumeb]

19. My sentiments exactly upon reading some of yours.

[AtheistCrusader]

20. Except one of us isn't equivocating and handwaving away a religious group that attacked the ACA

relentlessly since it's passage with multiple plaintiffs in dozens of states claiming 'religious objection' to health care.

[guillaumeb]

21. Your framing of "attacked the ACA" is unsupported by actual fact.

If you had written that the RCC disagreed with a small part of the ACA that would have been correct, but less "colorful".

[trotsky]

24. Says the guy whose BEST example of so-called horrible "atheistic intolerance"...

is a Boston area atheists group kicking out a Trump supporter.

And you lecture others on being too "colorful."

[guillaumeb]

26. Not the "best" example.

Just AN example.

[trotsky]

29. The only one you have provided AND bring up repeatedly.

It's obviously the best example you think you have.

[Act_of_Reparation]

10. Bishop Dewane laments the inaccessibility of health care for America's poor...

...and then praises the defunding of a chain of clinics that provide accessible healthcare to the poor: Planned Parenthood.

Quote:

Bishop Dewane praised portions of the bill, however, which would temporarily freeze funding for Planned Parenthood. He lauded “language in the legislation recognizing that abortion is not health care by attempting to prohibit the use of taxpayer funds to pay for abortion or plans that cover it.”

End quote.

The Hyde Amendment has, of course, prevented the financing of abortion with federal funds for the past forty years. One has to wonder what's going on there. Honestly, I can't tell if Dewane is being dishonest or just doesn't know what in the blue fuck he's talking about.

[trotsky]

12. It's simple - he wants the money that PP gets.

So that he and his church can impose THEIR strict, antiquated, anti-human, anti-woman beliefs on EVERYONE, restricting their health care options.

[Mariana]

22. It's hard to tell what's going on.

I think most RWers fervently believe that taxpayers fund abortions. They believe this because they've been told it's true not only by Faux News and RW radio, but also by religious leaders like DeWane. I don't think there's any way to know if DeWane is ignorant or if he is lying. Either way, he's lost all credibility on the subject.

[hrmjustin]

13. The bishops need to come out against this.

I won't hold my breath.

[guillaumeb]

15. Neither will I.

The (mainly) elderly male Bishops, like the elderly male GOP Senators behind this travesty of a plan, seem to have little concern for female health issues.

[Mariana]

23. It's worse than that.

They've decided that reproductive care for women isn't a health issue at all.

[guillaumeb]

25. Sadly, this appears to be correct. eom

[DK504]

27. All those conservative christians will I am sure listen

to all the Catholics, since they aren't real Christians.....

[guillaumeb]

28. Part of the problem.

No matter the particular brand of religion, there is always a division of opinion. Similar to the divisions we see here at DU, and in general.