Good news: Clergy marching for racial justice

[guillaumeb]

From the article:

From Protestant preachers to Jewish cantors to Catholic nuns, clergy of a range of faiths demonstrated in the nation’s capital for racial justice, criticizing the silence of some within their own ranks on the subject of white supremacy and questioning the morality of Trump administration policies.

To read more:

http://religionnews.com/2017/08/28/clergy-to-march-for-racial-justice/

[AtheistCrusader]

1. Last week you posted an article about it being 4000. Now it's only 3000?

And this is still good news to you?

[guillaumeb]

2. I did post it as good news. eom

[AtheistCrusader]

8. Sadly the turnout is shrinking faster than the prevalence of religion overall.

Did you ever figure out what percentage of faith leaders in the US this group represents?

Because based on the original post, I clearly over-estimated their impact by about 25%.

[guillaumeb]

10. A meaningless argument.

Given that the vast majority of Americans do not march or protest or organize for or against anything.

[AtheistCrusader]

14. Miss the Women's march in January? 3 million+ protestors.

Hardly meaningless.

Doesn't fit your narrative though. (1% vs. 0.2% if I remember the earlier numbers correctly HINT: ONE OF THESE IS A WHOLE NUMBER)

[guillaumeb]

16. One instance.

46% of American registered voters could not be bothered to even vote in 2016. THAT is a meaningful number. Your focus on exactly what percent of ministers will march is, in my view, a search for a way to turn positive news into negative news.

[AtheistCrusader]

18. And that's different from your attempt to turn a molehill into a mountain how, exactly?

You're pretending it's a positive indicator, when it's not even statistical noise.

[guillaumeb]

19. Do you think that any social movement started as a huge wave?

Are you applying a special standard when judging religion?

[Mariana]

20. You think the the racial justice movement is starting now, in 2017?

Fascinating.

[guillaumeb]

21. Not my point at all, nor was it my contention. eom

[Mariana]

22. Then why are you talking about how social movements start

in a thread about a very recent event?

[guillaumeb]

23. Because most movements start off quite small.

And in response to another poster who apparently wishes to focus on percentages.

[MineralMan]

3. There have been members of the clergy

supporting that cause since before it was recognized as a cause. So, it's not surprising.

There have also been many preaching prejudice and racism. So, what are we to take from this, do you think?

[guillaumeb]

4. That prejudice and racism will not easily be beaten.

And that some people will use many methods to divide other people. A Marxist might speak of the class struggle, and how racism and nationalism are used by the Capitalists to divide workers.

Others might appeal to heritage, or to a common culture, or a common belief, or whatever they feel will motivate their followers.

[MineralMan]

5. Clearly you miss my point...

[guillaumeb]

6. Or I offered an alternative?

But on the assumption that I missed your point, please feel free to explain.

[trotsky]

7. Bad news: that this is being promoted as news.

Why do you feel the need to single out and celebrate one small group of people when there are millions more, religious AND non-religious, who have opposed Trump and white supremacy all along?

[guillaumeb]

9. Because, as you have pointed out,

this is the Religion (Group) and this group is open to both negative and positive pieces. I realize that some here focus exclusively on the negative aspects of religion, and believers, but others attempt to present a more nuanced view.

[trotsky]

11. Thank you for finally acknowledging what I've been telling you for months!

Yes, people can post whatever they want here regardless of what you think! I'm so glad you've come around!



Now if you could just refrain from making personal judgments with words like "nuanced," implying that people you disagree with are just too binary or simple to appreciate your perfect position, that would be a truly amazing thing indeed.

Keep working at it, dude! You might get there someday!

[guillaumeb]

12. Again with the misstatement and attempted framing.

When you said:

Now if you could just refrain from making personal judgments with words like "nuanced," implying that people you disagree with are just too binary or simple to appreciate

your perfect position

, that would be a truly amazing thing indeed

But I understand.

[trotsky]

13. Wow that's really all you have.

That's sad.

[guillaumeb]

15. Well, I have what I actually said versus what you insist that I said.

And anyone who cares can see and compare the two.

[trotsky]

17. As I have noted many, many times...

I am wonderfully content to let the readers of this group decide. Thank you.