Religion
Related: About this forumMartin Luther Brought Religion (and Craft Beer!) to the Modern World
https://www.brit.co/martin-luther-beer/Although using hops doesnt seem to be an act of religious rebellion, in the 16th century, the Catholic Church had a stranglehold on beer production with is taxation on gruit. This mixture of botanicals generally a combination of sweet gale, mugwort, yarrow, ground ivy, heather, rosemary, juniper berries, ginger, and cinnamon was the method du jour of preserving and adding flavor to beer.
Having a monopoly on beer production was significant because during the Middle Ages and Renaissance, water was often unsafe to drink. Therefore, beer was consumed by rich and poor alike as a safe beverage and a source of nutrition, and was as common as coffee is today. Because its consumption was so widespread, the Catholic Church viewed beer as a lucrative commodity for taxation. Hops, however, were exempt from taxation because they were considered to be undesirable and unfit for consumption.
Thought of as weeds, hops grew plentifully and wildly throughout the German countryside and were new to beer production; theyd only been introduced into beer brewing at the beginning of the 16th century, just before Martin Luther began extolling their value as a brewing ingredient. However, it was Luthers religious revolution and his well-known love of beer that gave this previously overlooked weed a new status as an economical and delicious way to thumb your nose at the Catholics.
I guess even a rabid anti-semite can get one thing right!
Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)...IPA's are ISIS and must be fought at every turn.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)I love hops.
Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)I love hops, too. But all things in moderation.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)Just kick the malt up to balance, that's all I care.
Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)DISHARMONIES IN TEH CHOIR
trotsky
(49,533 posts)We are supposed to share a hive mind! We cannot be individuals, we are EVIL ATHEISTS!
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)And some discord is acceptable, or more properly, a counter melody.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)He said "harmony."
You could just drop your stupid choir insult and deal with the people who disagree with you individually, you know.
Or just stay on your same path. Your choice.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)I would never call the choir stupid. Why are you calling the choir stupid?
trotsky
(49,533 posts)Mariana
(14,849 posts)Gil keeps referring to all the time. He doesn't understand what they say, but he knows atheists wrote them, so they must be bad!
I think you've solved the mystery!
Mariana
(14,849 posts)Seriously? Is this how you do to others as you would have them do to you?
If the problem is that you don't read English very well, and you truly didn't understand the sentence Trotsky wrote, perhaps you could take some night classes. Check with your local public library, they usually know where to find stuff like that.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)that I experience here to illustrate part of the problem.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)Oh wait, that's right, you never have to back up any of the claims you make. You can just insinuate all you want because those mean atheists deserve it, right?
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)Use your star member abilities to easily find them. And if I did say anything about "mean atheists", your claim, it should be easy for you to produce examples.
I remember when I stated that I could only define Christianity for myself, and you responded that I was attempting to define Christianity for everyone. One example.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)You have made this the standard whenever anyone presents you with a claim.
Why won't you apply the same standard to yourself?
P.S. Please link to the post where I said you were attempting to define Christianity for everyone.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)Like this?
19. You claim you can define it for yourself
Then go on to define it for everyone else. You also attempt to define atheism for all Atheists as well. That's where your issue lies.
I can easily find more, including your own responses making the same claim, but why bother?
trotsky
(49,533 posts)Try again.
Please provide the link to MY post.
CONTEXT for Lordquinton's post would also be nice too, gil. You agree that CONTEXT is important, right?
trotsky
(49,533 posts)You said you could "easily" find it.
Please provide it.
Lordquinton
(7,886 posts)Why did you take my quote out of context? something to hide?
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)Lordquinton
(7,886 posts)Let's see what you do with it.
Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)trotsky
(49,533 posts)Cuthbert Allgood
(4,867 posts)Discord and counter melody are not even in the discussion, musically.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)as 2 separate notes.
Cuthbert Allgood
(4,867 posts)doesn't mean that it isn't two notes. The ear differentiates two notes due to manipulation of the frequency in the instrument (in this cas the throat, nasal cavity, etc). I'm not talking about the "mystery" note created by harmonies such as barbershop. Polyphonic overtone singing.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)to achieve different notes. But they are not simultaneous even if they appear or sound so.
And I can play harmonics, with associated overtones.
I did watch an interesting demonstration of a vocal technique involving tapping the larynx while singing.
Cuthbert Allgood
(4,867 posts)whenever you want. Bastard.
Though I am more a fan of porters and stouts, Todd is one of the best beers ever.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)Pity he left Surly.
Igel
(35,191 posts)they became followers of Jan Hus, not Martin Luther.
Hops were used in beer and taxed accordingly hundreds of years before Martin Luther first drew breath.
Story is--true or not, I'm not going to rummage--that "good king Wenceslaus" made exporting hops subject to the death penalty. (Obviously a beer drinker, although reds from down around Znojmo aren't just horrible.)
Pilsner's from Plzen. Budweiser's from Budejovice.
Russians had summer required "volunteer" trips to dig potatoes.
Czechs went to harvest chmel, hops, in hop brigades during Soviet times. That was the background for Starci na chmelu, with the song in the youtube bit. But it was an actual hops brigade, not scenes from the movie.
Myslíme jenom na to,
e chmel je nae zlato.
Jediné co nám svato
je chmel a jenom chmel.
"We only think about how
Hops is our gold.
The only thing sacred to us,
Is hops and only hops.
(It was over-the-top witty. 1964. One of the movies they showed and backgrounded at the Letni skola slovanskych studii one of the summer I attended.)