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trotsky

(49,533 posts)
Thu Jan 4, 2018, 12:07 PM Jan 2018

Martin Luther Brought Religion (and Craft Beer!) to the Modern World

https://www.brit.co/martin-luther-beer/

Each time you sip on a fancy craft brew, use beer hops to make beer bread, or even experiment with adding beer to your favorite dinner recipes, you owe Martin Luther and his Protestant Reformation a debt of gratitude. According to NPR journalist Nina Martyris’s in-depth analysis on The Brewer’s Tale: A History of the World According to Beer by William Bostwick, 500 years ago, Martin Luther set out to reform the Christian faith, and in the process, antagonized the Catholic Church’s beer brewers. Surprisingly, among his many methods of differentiating his blossoming faith from the long-held traditions of the Catholics, he advocated adding hops to beer.

Although using hops doesn’t seem to be an act of religious rebellion, in the 16th century, the Catholic Church had a stranglehold on beer production with is taxation on gruit. This mixture of botanicals — generally a combination of sweet gale, mugwort, yarrow, ground ivy, heather, rosemary, juniper berries, ginger, and cinnamon — was the method du jour of preserving and adding flavor to beer.

Having a monopoly on beer production was significant because during the Middle Ages and Renaissance, water was often unsafe to drink. Therefore, beer was consumed by rich and poor alike as a safe beverage and a source of nutrition, and was as common as coffee is today. Because its consumption was so widespread, the Catholic Church viewed beer as a lucrative commodity for taxation. Hops, however, were exempt from taxation because they were considered to be undesirable and unfit for consumption.

Thought of as weeds, hops grew plentifully and wildly throughout the German countryside and were new to beer production; they’d only been introduced into beer brewing at the beginning of the 16th century, just before Martin Luther began extolling their value as a brewing ingredient. However, it was Luther’s religious revolution and his well-known love of beer that gave this previously overlooked weed a new status as an economical and delicious way to thumb your nose at the Catholics.


I guess even a rabid anti-semite can get one thing right!
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Martin Luther Brought Religion (and Craft Beer!) to the Modern World (Original Post) trotsky Jan 2018 OP
If hops is religion... Act_of_Reparation Jan 2018 #1
I will fight you. trotsky Jan 2018 #2
Come at me, bro. Act_of_Reparation Jan 2018 #3
THE MORE THE BETTER. trotsky Jan 2018 #4
OH NOES Act_of_Reparation Jan 2018 #7
Our choir is being ripped apart at the seams! trotsky Jan 2018 #8
A chord requires more than one note. guillaumeb Jan 2018 #9
Of course it requires more than one note. trotsky Jan 2018 #10
Are you calling the choir stupid? guillaumeb Jan 2018 #12
Do you even diagram sentences, bro? n/t trotsky Jan 2018 #16
This may explain all those imaginary posts Mariana Jan 2018 #21
Eureka! trotsky Jan 2018 #22
Does the Creator approve of this kind of dishonesty from you? Mariana Jan 2018 #18
I am simply emloying the same type of silly "argument" guillaumeb Jan 2018 #20
Please link to the posts that use "the same type of silly 'argument'." trotsky Jan 2018 #23
More framing on your part? guillaumeb Jan 2018 #24
You made the claim, you provide the evidence. trotsky Jan 2018 #25
Evidence? guillaumeb Jan 2018 #26
I am not "Lordquinton." trotsky Jan 2018 #27
Still waiting for a link to MY post. trotsky Jan 2018 #29
Nice intellectual dishonesty you have there Lordquinton Jan 2018 #30
Feel free to provide the context. guillaumeb Jan 2018 #31
Nah, you have the rope Lordquinton Jan 2018 #32
Yet it only takes one to bloviate, it seems. Act_of_Reparation Jan 2018 #11
Oh, snap! n/t trotsky Jan 2018 #17
With training, people can sing more than one note at a time. Cuthbert Allgood Jan 2018 #13
Resonance over a note is not actually the same thing guillaumeb Jan 2018 #14
Just because it is a harmonic overtone Cuthbert Allgood Jan 2018 #15
And I can manipulate the strings on my guitar and bend notes guillaumeb Jan 2018 #19
I envy that you can buy Todd the Axe Man Cuthbert Allgood Jan 2018 #5
Agreed. trotsky Jan 2018 #6
If hops is religion, Igel Jan 2018 #28

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
8. Our choir is being ripped apart at the seams!
Thu Jan 4, 2018, 01:59 PM
Jan 2018

We are supposed to share a hive mind! We cannot be individuals, we are EVIL ATHEISTS!

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
10. Of course it requires more than one note.
Thu Jan 4, 2018, 03:58 PM
Jan 2018

He said "harmony."

You could just drop your stupid choir insult and deal with the people who disagree with you individually, you know.

Or just stay on your same path. Your choice.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
12. Are you calling the choir stupid?
Thu Jan 4, 2018, 04:05 PM
Jan 2018

I would never call the choir stupid. Why are you calling the choir stupid?

Mariana

(14,849 posts)
21. This may explain all those imaginary posts
Thu Jan 4, 2018, 05:47 PM
Jan 2018

Gil keeps referring to all the time. He doesn't understand what they say, but he knows atheists wrote them, so they must be bad!

Mariana

(14,849 posts)
18. Does the Creator approve of this kind of dishonesty from you?
Thu Jan 4, 2018, 04:40 PM
Jan 2018

Seriously? Is this how you do to others as you would have them do to you?

If the problem is that you don't read English very well, and you truly didn't understand the sentence Trotsky wrote, perhaps you could take some night classes. Check with your local public library, they usually know where to find stuff like that.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
20. I am simply emloying the same type of silly "argument"
Thu Jan 4, 2018, 05:44 PM
Jan 2018

that I experience here to illustrate part of the problem.

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
23. Please link to the posts that use "the same type of silly 'argument'."
Thu Jan 4, 2018, 05:55 PM
Jan 2018

Oh wait, that's right, you never have to back up any of the claims you make. You can just insinuate all you want because those mean atheists deserve it, right?

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
24. More framing on your part?
Thu Jan 4, 2018, 05:58 PM
Jan 2018

Use your star member abilities to easily find them. And if I did say anything about "mean atheists", your claim, it should be easy for you to produce examples.

I remember when I stated that I could only define Christianity for myself, and you responded that I was attempting to define Christianity for everyone. One example.

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
25. You made the claim, you provide the evidence.
Thu Jan 4, 2018, 05:59 PM
Jan 2018

You have made this the standard whenever anyone presents you with a claim.

Why won't you apply the same standard to yourself?

P.S. Please link to the post where I said you were attempting to define Christianity for everyone.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
26. Evidence?
Thu Jan 4, 2018, 06:02 PM
Jan 2018

Like this?

Lordquinton (6,269 posts)
19. You claim you can define it for yourself

Then go on to define it for everyone else. You also attempt to define atheism for all Atheists as well. That's where your issue lies.


I can easily find more, including your own responses making the same claim, but why bother?

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
27. I am not "Lordquinton."
Thu Jan 4, 2018, 06:03 PM
Jan 2018

Try again.

Please provide the link to MY post.

CONTEXT for Lordquinton's post would also be nice too, gil. You agree that CONTEXT is important, right?

Lordquinton

(7,886 posts)
30. Nice intellectual dishonesty you have there
Fri Jan 5, 2018, 06:26 PM
Jan 2018

Why did you take my quote out of context? something to hide?

Cuthbert Allgood

(4,867 posts)
13. With training, people can sing more than one note at a time.
Thu Jan 4, 2018, 04:09 PM
Jan 2018

Discord and counter melody are not even in the discussion, musically.

Cuthbert Allgood

(4,867 posts)
15. Just because it is a harmonic overtone
Thu Jan 4, 2018, 04:29 PM
Jan 2018

doesn't mean that it isn't two notes. The ear differentiates two notes due to manipulation of the frequency in the instrument (in this cas the throat, nasal cavity, etc). I'm not talking about the "mystery" note created by harmonies such as barbershop. Polyphonic overtone singing.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
19. And I can manipulate the strings on my guitar and bend notes
Thu Jan 4, 2018, 05:41 PM
Jan 2018

to achieve different notes. But they are not simultaneous even if they appear or sound so.

And I can play harmonics, with associated overtones.

I did watch an interesting demonstration of a vocal technique involving tapping the larynx while singing.

Cuthbert Allgood

(4,867 posts)
5. I envy that you can buy Todd the Axe Man
Thu Jan 4, 2018, 01:07 PM
Jan 2018

whenever you want. Bastard.

Though I am more a fan of porters and stouts, Todd is one of the best beers ever.

Igel

(35,191 posts)
28. If hops is religion,
Fri Jan 5, 2018, 03:08 AM
Jan 2018

they became followers of Jan Hus, not Martin Luther.

Hops were used in beer and taxed accordingly hundreds of years before Martin Luther first drew breath.

Story is--true or not, I'm not going to rummage--that "good king Wenceslaus" made exporting hops subject to the death penalty. (Obviously a beer drinker, although reds from down around Znojmo aren't just horrible.)

Pilsner's from Plzen. Budweiser's from Budejovice.



Russians had summer required "volunteer" trips to dig potatoes.

Czechs went to harvest chmel, hops, in hop brigades during Soviet times. That was the background for Starci na chmelu, with the song in the youtube bit. But it was an actual hops brigade, not scenes from the movie.

Myslíme jenom na to,
že chmel je naše zlato.
Jediné co nám svato
je chmel a jenom chmel.
"We only think about how
Hops is our gold.
The only thing sacred to us,
Is hops and only hops.

(It was over-the-top witty. 1964. One of the movies they showed and backgrounded at the Letni skola slovanskych studii one of the summer I attended.)
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