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guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
Fri Jan 5, 2018, 12:34 PM Jan 2018

Why a Muslim comic book writer just introduced a yeshiva student......


Why a Muslim comic book writer just introduced a yeshiva student and kosher food into the Marvel Universe

To see the article:

http://www.tabletmag.com/scroll/252545/why-a-muslim-comic-book-writer-just-introduced-a-yeshiva-student-and-kosher-food-into-the-marvel-universe

Warning, for those who prefer sarcasm, and extreme negativity, and an almost comic book view of religion, this is not for you because it attempts to use this format to encourage dialogue and understanding. Some prefer a more cartoonish view of religion where all of the characters must be bad people.

But for devotees of nuance, this might interest you.
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Why a Muslim comic book writer just introduced a yeshiva student...... (Original Post) guillaumeb Jan 2018 OP
Ms Marvel is one of the greatest things to happen to the Marvel Comic Universe Cuthbert Allgood Jan 2018 #1
Damn right. Act_of_Reparation Jan 2018 #3
For someone who complains so much about snark you sure to ply it AtheistCrusader Jan 2018 #2
I believe Freud called it "projection" Act_of_Reparation Jan 2018 #4
This was merely an observation. guillaumeb Jan 2018 #5
It was bait. And you know it. AtheistCrusader Jan 2018 #6
This could have been an interesting thread Lordquinton Jan 2018 #7
Sorry to ruin the experience for you. guillaumeb Jan 2018 #8
Nice framing Lordquinton Jan 2018 #9
I was specific. guillaumeb Jan 2018 #10
Is this one of those unique definitions you like to use? Lordquinton Jan 2018 #12
Religion helps to preserve the "connection to the collective imagination of the past", and as "Our mia Jan 2018 #11
And yet "the choir" edhopper Jan 2018 #13

Cuthbert Allgood

(4,915 posts)
1. Ms Marvel is one of the greatest things to happen to the Marvel Comic Universe
Fri Jan 5, 2018, 12:38 PM
Jan 2018

I was a huge fan from issue 1. (which is bagged and boarded and worth upwards of $30 now, FYI)

And I am a fan of sarcasm yet I still like this comic. Interesting that people aren't just the 2D version you would like them to be.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
2. For someone who complains so much about snark you sure to ply it
Fri Jan 5, 2018, 02:19 PM
Jan 2018

and toss bait in all directions all the time.

Lordquinton

(7,886 posts)
7. This could have been an interesting thread
Fri Jan 5, 2018, 06:20 PM
Jan 2018

we haven't had a good comic book thread for a while due to a theist who would irrationally hate on anything done in comics.

Too bad you had to crap all over it before it could even start.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
8. Sorry to ruin the experience for you.
Fri Jan 5, 2018, 06:57 PM
Jan 2018

But often, when I do not express an opinion, some here will demand to know what my opinion is.

So this illustrates that one cannot satisfy everyone. Today was your turn to be disappointed.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
10. I was specific.
Fri Jan 5, 2018, 07:02 PM
Jan 2018

As to my opinion, I feel that it is a good way to reach out to those who like this type of literature.

Lordquinton

(7,886 posts)
12. Is this one of those unique definitions you like to use?
Sat Jan 6, 2018, 07:26 AM
Jan 2018

Calling a broad brush attack specific?

Too late to save the thread, I guess we'll have to wait a little longer to bring comics back into the discussion, theists just can't seem to handle it in the discussion still.

mia

(8,360 posts)
11. Religion helps to preserve the "connection to the collective imagination of the past", and as "Our
Fri Jan 5, 2018, 09:05 PM
Jan 2018

morality evolves, our sense of ethics evolves, and so we end up questioning a lot of what we took for granted in the past in terms of the rules about how people treat each other."

How did this kippah-clad yeshiva student and his Orthodox Union (OU) certified sandwich end up in the Marvel Universe? And why did a Muslim author choose to introduce Jewish religion and practice into her comic book world? I asked Wilson, the award-winning writer behind the series, how it all came about. Her answers offered a poignant reflection on the role that religion can play in art—and what we lose when it is absent....

... making Naftali a kosher-keeping Jew created a key point of intersection between him and Kamala, the halal-observant Muslim. “There was really obvious overlap between Jewish tradition and Muslim tradition here,” Wilson noted, “because the rules surrounding the ritual butchering of animals—what you can and can’t eat—are very similar.” And so, after some brainstorming with Wilson’s friend Menachem Luchins, the Orthodox Jewish owner of Long Island’s Escape Pod Comics, Kamala’s “kosher lunch buddy” was born:

...In fact, religious rules regarding permitted and forbidden foods have served as touchstones of the Ms. Marvel series since its inception. The very first frames of the inaugural issue featured the Muslim Khan savoring the smell of bacon, which she dubs “delicious infidel meat”:



“That’s why I think Naftali works so well,” she added. “There’s a scene coming up a couple issues from now in which he and Kamala appear”—here Wilson chuckles and holds herself back from revealing any spoilers—”in which having that connection to the collective imagination of the past, which I think is a role that religion fills, becomes vitally important. I just wanted that to be there. I just wanted to make that argument, because I think there’s a lot that we’re in danger of losing. Some of that is necessary because we’ve evolved as a society and as a human race. Our morality evolves, our sense of ethics evolves, and so we end up questioning a lot of what we took for granted in the past in terms of the rules about how people treat each other. I think a lot of that is good, but in the process I think we’re also losing something, and that’s what I wanted to prevent in the context of the series—prevent the loss of some of that collective wisdom.”


Enjoyed this article! Thank you.

edhopper

(33,556 posts)
13. And yet "the choir"
Sat Jan 6, 2018, 11:09 AM
Jan 2018

has chimed in with acceptance and approval of the portrayal in the comic.
Commended the writer.

Funny that.

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