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Related: About this forumHow the National Prayer Breakfast sparked an unusual meeting between Muslims and evangelicals
Source: Washington Post, by Michelle Boorstein
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Roberts and Shaykh Abdallah Bin Bayyah are attending the Thursday breakfast following an unusual gathering that was held during the previous three days: 400 faith leaders coming together to forge interreligious ties, work that has been common for many U.S. faith groups for decades but often has eluded one particular pair: Muslims and evangelicals. White evangelicals have the most anti-Muslim views of any American faith group, polls show, and the meeting timed so Bayyah could attend the huge prayer breakfast in Northwest Washington reflects the urgency an increasing number of imams and pastors feel at a time when the world seems especially tribal and explosive.
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Of course they want to bring others to Christ, said Roberts and other pastors who have been trained through his program. But among evangelicals there has been a mobilizing, a growing if still relatively small number of leaders who are investing in learning more about Islam, making personal relationships and working to bring their congregations together.
Some of the reason for what conference attendees described as this quiet shift is cultural, some political and some theological. The idea that Christians shouldnt wait for some future heavenly kingdom but instead view current life as the kingdom of God changes the willingness and in fact eagerness to work with a broader circle of humanity.
Jesus teaches the Lords Prayer Thy kingdom come and when Jesus is defining that kingdom on Earth as it is in heaven. The guiding principle for Christian life is: How would I live my life if this was heaven today? Id love my Muslim neighbor, my Jewish neighbor, said Steve Bezner, pastor of Houston NW megachurch in Houston. Bezner did a retreat with Roberts in Abu Dhabi last year and another one with local clergy this month. He was among the dozens of evangelical pastors at the D.C. conference this week.
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The first time I met an imam in my neighborhood, were five minutes into the conversation and he said: Do you think Im going to hell? I said: Thats what my tradition teaches, yes. He said: Good, I think youre going to hell, too, so now we can have an honest conversation.
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Read it all at: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2018/02/08/how-the-national-prayer-breakfast-sparked-an-unusual-meeting-between-muslims-and-evangelicals/
Cartoonist
(7,315 posts)They're both going to Hell. Religion is so accommodating.
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)we can make it 'hell' here, too.
Respectful, inclusive, understanding conversation is always a good place to start!
Mariana
(14,854 posts)Doesn't it give you a warm feeling inside to know that many of your fellow human beings approve of eternal torture for anyone who doesn't believe what they believe?
elleng
(130,864 posts)He said: Good, I think youre going to hell, too, so now we can have an honest conversation.
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)It's the failure to see all we share and have in common.
Cuthbert Allgood
(4,916 posts)That is good news. I'm sure that isn't what you took from it, but that's what it is. If they still held to their religious beliefs, they couldn't have that honest conversation.
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)we can't have an honest conversation?
That explains a lot!
Cuthbert Allgood
(4,916 posts)That have to put that aside so that they don't just dismiss what the other is saying.
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)What is good and best in people is a value shared across all religions!
The differences are used to divide and control people, typically for a non-religious purpose, although it masquerades as one.
Cuthbert Allgood
(4,916 posts)It is their religion that tells that the other person, because of that other person's religion, is going to hell. That the other person's religion is what makes them bad. But you get to say that "it masquerades as" a "difference" "used to divide." Um, no, it masquerades as nothing. It is a religious difference that is used to divide and control people. Only when they let go of that RELIGIOUS reason were they able to have a conversation.
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)They're acknowledging the most profound difference, and moving right past it to the common ground of our shared experience of life together and making this a better place for all!
Unity, inclusion and tolerance is so much better than disruption, divisiveness and intolerance - isn't it?
Cuthbert Allgood
(4,916 posts)I agree unity is better. And they were smart enough to leave the exclusivity of their religion to realize that each is a good person even though their religions tell them the other is bad and going to hell.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)universe and their place in it.
wunderbar.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)You find only what you seek.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)eliminate mutually exclusive truth claims about the universe and our place in it.
I'm content to wait and see how that shakes out.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)For some few here, it is obvious that religion=bad is an accurate summary of their feelings. Any posts that present religion in a positive way must be attacked because religion=bad.
Cuthbert Allgood
(4,916 posts)The example in the OP is that two people from religions that normally don't like each other got together to talk. How did they do that? By putting their religious differences away. This isn't "good news: religion caused these people to be friends." This is "good news: two people got past their religion and became friends."
Any other way of looking at this is spin. And before you claim I'm the one spinning the article, the "oh, I think you are going to hell, too" is a thing from the article. THE ARTICLE points out that religion was the barrier stopping discussion previously.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)Thus the need for outreach.
But even when outreach happens, some here must criticize it as too little, or too late.
Mariana
(14,854 posts)No dancing around, no evasion, no changing the subject to avoid answering the question, none of that kind of dishonest bullshit. It's impossible to have a serious conversation with anyone who refuses to be truthful. Good for them.