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guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
Fri Mar 2, 2018, 06:37 PM Mar 2018

10 Reasons to believe Jesus Preached Islam

From the article:

Muslims believe Jesus Christ was a holy Prophet from the same God who sent Abraham, Moses and Muhammad. Here are 10 reasons as to why Muslims believe Jesus preached Islam that are guaranteed to change your perception................

#10 The Golden Rule
There is an Islamic version of the “golden rule” as taught by Prophet Muhammad.
None of you has faith until he loves for his brother or his neighbor what he loves for himself. Sahih Muslim, Book 1, Number 72
Jesus taught:
Do to others whatever you would like them to do to you. This is the essence of all that is taught in the law and the prophets. Matthew 7:12





Read more at http://www.patheos.com/blogs/askamuslim/2017/10/10-reasons-believe-jesus-preached-islam/#K1V8HcQc1mkgXmHa.99

A long article, but it well illustrates the many commonalities of the 3 Abrahamic religions.
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10 Reasons to believe Jesus Preached Islam (Original Post) guillaumeb Mar 2018 OP
Jesus was born before Mohhamed, so it is more likely that Mohammed tried to borrow Sophia4 Mar 2018 #1
The word Islam means peace. guillaumeb Mar 2018 #2
Mohammed created Islam and then became a warlord general to advance it, he and the army that braddy Mar 2018 #16
Jesus suggested not even defending yourself marylandblue Mar 2018 #21
He did not defend Himself. guillaumeb Mar 2018 #28
I agree that d_r Mar 2018 #5
Jesus physically attacked people Mariana Mar 2018 #17
Once, when he made a scourge of small cords and drove out the money changers from the Temple. braddy Mar 2018 #19
Yes. I was answering the claim Mariana Mar 2018 #20
Since it happened a week before his crucifixion. marylandblue Mar 2018 #22
Jesus' actions at the Temple interfered with the sale of animals for ritual guillaumeb Mar 2018 #29
Right , because if he had only attacked small shopkeepers marylandblue Mar 2018 #30
He was attacking a system. guillaumeb Mar 2018 #31
Much like Trump in his own way. marylandblue Mar 2018 #32
Jesus had better hair. eom guillaumeb Mar 2018 #33
We don't know that because we have no pictures marylandblue Mar 2018 #34
He could not have worse hair. guillaumeb Mar 2018 #35
ok, you win. marylandblue Mar 2018 #36
A first. guillaumeb Mar 2018 #39
Enjoy it. It may be a last as well marylandblue Mar 2018 #40
Nice. guillaumeb Mar 2018 #43
Please! those are fencing foils! marylandblue Mar 2018 #44
He violently assaulted human beings with a weapon Mariana Mar 2018 #37
What it says is: guillaumeb Mar 2018 #41
The crime of assault does not requiry you actually strike a person marylandblue Mar 2018 #45
And marching for peace or other causes can inconvenience traffic. guillaumeb Mar 2018 #62
I never saw any peace marcher cracking a whip marylandblue Mar 2018 #67
An interesting exercise in hyperbole. guillaumeb Mar 2018 #69
No, it's just a matter of reading the story for what it would mean to people who lived it marylandblue Mar 2018 #71
You are attempting to frame your view as that of a typical "someone" of 30CE. guillaumeb Mar 2018 #72
I don't feel I have any special insight into people of that time and place marylandblue Mar 2018 #73
Again, you are imagining what people from 2000 years ago might have felt. guillaumeb Mar 2018 #74
You have the most ahistorical imaginings I've ever seen marylandblue Mar 2018 #75
Your posts are speculative fiction. guillaumeb Mar 2018 #92
church doors were used as bulletin board in those days marylandblue Mar 2018 #96
Luther caused tremendous disruption to the existing social order. guillaumeb Mar 2018 #99
Usually you say people take the story too literally marylandblue Mar 2018 #106
You decided on one interpretation. guillaumeb Mar 2018 #107
You are taking the story too literally and speculating at the same time marylandblue Mar 2018 #108
As I said, you are taking it too literally marylandblue Mar 2018 #139
Hay now. I'm the culprit that says peoples take some Scripture way too sprinkleeninow Mar 2018 #121
Temple of GOD. Munye changers conducting BUSINESS in THE HOUSE OF THE LORD. sprinkleeninow Mar 2018 #79
Do you believe Jesus preached Islam? nt. Mariana Mar 2018 #86
I hold that Jesus preached the Kingdom of God. His Kingdom that primarily was to come. sprinkleeninow Mar 2018 #89
They want Jesus to have whipped a human being. That's what they want. sprinkleeninow Mar 2018 #80
Well, no, that would presume he existed at all. AtheistCrusader Mar 2018 #110
Here we go. 🙄 sprinkleeninow Mar 2018 #118
So he only threatened to strike them, if your interpretation is correct. Mariana Mar 2018 #46
Nowhere does it say that He struck them. guillaumeb Mar 2018 #95
They were desecrating the temple of his religion. Sophia4 Mar 2018 #49
For centuries, most of the artists who have depicted the scene Mariana Mar 2018 #53
You don't have to use a whip on people to get them to move. Sophia4 Mar 2018 #60
That is true. Mariana Mar 2018 #61
That's what happens when you look at 'those' pictures. sprinkleeninow Mar 2018 #81
He carefully avoided the cute innocent animals and smacked the sprinkleeninow Mar 2018 #82
Actually, he was desecrating the temple of THEIR religion marylandblue Mar 2018 #57
I thot you were cool with some of this stuff... sprinkleeninow Mar 2018 #83
Oh I am cool with it, but what did Jesus seem like to his contemporaries? marylandblue Mar 2018 #85
To the carnal 'eye', senses and 'thinking' there was/will be sprinkleeninow Mar 2018 #88
Why, why, why with literal translating ALONE, Sola Scriptura, does not give one the full picture. sprinkleeninow Mar 2018 #90
I don't think anyone really does do sola scriptura marylandblue Mar 2018 #91
See charlie hebdo. Voltaire2 Mar 2018 #58
Jesus brought authority to his Temple. Mohammed raised an army and warred and conquered once he braddy Mar 2018 #23
I wasn't making a comparison between the two. Mariana Mar 2018 #26
Actually, that verse is ambiguous. Sophia4 Mar 2018 #48
It depends on which translation you're reading Mariana Mar 2018 #77
Yes. But in my opinion, what is believed by the followers of a religion may be more Sophia4 Mar 2018 #78
I think you are right marylandblue Mar 2018 #87
"A discussion on Jesus teaching on Muhammads prophecy"? Oh, please. Glorfindel Mar 2018 #3
Jesus taught a religion of peace. guillaumeb Mar 2018 #4
This is called the "root word fallacy" marylandblue Mar 2018 #12
Right. But many people don't know history. I was trying to be nice. Sophia4 Mar 2018 #50
what kind of Chrisitianity did early Islam come in contact with? flyingfysh Mar 2018 #6
A good question. guillaumeb Mar 2018 #8
And yet at the same time there were a variety of Xians around. Igel Mar 2018 #38
There were and are numerous sects in all 3 of the Abrahamic religions. guillaumeb Mar 2018 #42
Muslims say Mohammed's father-in-law was a (Christian?) priest Bretton Garcia Mar 2018 #52
Jesus was influenced Mahayana Buddhism vlyons Mar 2018 #7
Compassion for others is indeed key. guillaumeb Mar 2018 #11
Possible, but is there any historical evidence of Buddhist activity in Judea? marylandblue Mar 2018 #14
I'm not advocating that there were Buddhiist temples and monasteries in Judea vlyons Mar 2018 #24
Nah. Jesus (if he existed at all) was likely a Buddhist. nt Binkie The Clown Mar 2018 #9
Retcon. AtheistCrusader Mar 2018 #10
I had to look that up. Voltaire2 Mar 2018 #54
It all goes with the job. safeinOhio Mar 2018 #13
Showing that the message of tolerance and peace is universal. guillaumeb Mar 2018 #15
Similarities Between Buddha and Jesus left-of-center2012 Mar 2018 #18
Well no, that's not so vlyons Mar 2018 #25
Hush. Theists are desperately trying Voltaire2 Mar 2018 #55
Sorry, but no again vlyons Mar 2018 #59
The commonality of every system that promotes tolerance, mutual respect, guillaumeb Mar 2018 #27
Cars are not airplanes. Voltaire2 Mar 2018 #56
It makes them all religious systems. guillaumeb Mar 2018 #64
At which point youve reduced your claim Voltaire2 Mar 2018 #65
Did you read the entire article? guillaumeb Mar 2018 #66
sure, run away from yet another blunder. Voltaire2 Mar 2018 #68
I thought as much. guillaumeb Mar 2018 #70
Islam was invented centuries after Christianity eallen Mar 2018 #47
Number 11: Bill Maher said it is true RainCaster Mar 2018 #51
A long article, but it well illustrates the many commonalities of the 3 Abrahamic religions. guillaumeb Mar 2018 #63
And along comes Christianity and co-opts Judaism. sprinkleeninow Mar 2018 #84
A surprise to some here? guillaumeb Mar 2018 #93
Some soitenly have a repertoire with no end. It appears thus. sprinkleeninow Mar 2018 #97
I liked the article as well. guillaumeb Mar 2018 #100
Oh, you. 🤗 sprinkleeninow Mar 2018 #102
So what is the sub-text here? guillaumeb Mar 2018 #134
I admit I'm lost hopefully only in this place of 'religion'. sprinkleeninow Mar 2018 #136
Variations of the golden rule appear in religions that predate Christianity The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2018 #76
True. It is common to all human societies. guillaumeb Mar 2018 #94
Oh my DOG! sprinkleeninow Mar 2018 #98
The caves in Lascaux. guillaumeb Mar 2018 #101
Alright. That's more better. Artistry by some 'originals'. Like! sprinkleeninow Mar 2018 #105
The problem with those cave paintings marylandblue Mar 2018 #113
Please see my take on this in another post I think I responded to you sprinkleeninow Mar 2018 #123
Showing once again that there's nothing you won't claim as the property of your religious tribe. AtheistCrusader Mar 2018 #109
Showing once again that you will not miss an oportunity guillaumeb Mar 2018 #114
It would be fine if you didn't pretend it applied to all humans. AtheistCrusader Mar 2018 #125
If it applied to all humans we would not be having this conversation. guillaumeb Mar 2018 #127
My mistake. AtheistCrusader Mar 2018 #128
Are you aware that what I wrote is an opinion? guillaumeb Mar 2018 #129
And I have replied with mine. AtheistCrusader Mar 2018 #131
I yam a descendant of The Tribe of Yeshua/Issa. No text. sprinkleeninow Mar 2018 #122
Neat. I am not. AtheistCrusader Mar 2018 #126
"Please leave it at that." sprinkleeninow Mar 2018 #130
Have I told you, you are not created by your god? AtheistCrusader Mar 2018 #132
I am not offended. sprinkleeninow Mar 2018 #137
Oh, 'spark'.... Thas where the sparky snarky retort has its source in. sprinkleeninow Mar 2018 #120
Gil always wants to tie prehistoric religion into his Cristianity marylandblue Mar 2018 #112
Perhaps you should reread what I wrote. guillaumeb Mar 2018 #115
The subtext was clear, and this is not the first time. AtheistCrusader Mar 2018 #133
First off, one practicing/following/studying not only the Christian Faith, its origins, its organic sprinkleeninow Mar 2018 #119
Well, that's at least a clearly stated position based on existing literary tradition marylandblue Mar 2018 #138
I got lost in the shuffle! 😀 sprinkleeninow Mar 2018 #140
This thread is getting convoluted marylandblue Mar 2018 #142
I access DU via phone which doesn't have full effect as a pc. sprinkleeninow Mar 2018 #143
If one claims to be a 'Christian believer', they need to know what they believe and why. sprinkleeninow Mar 2018 #141
since there's not a shred of evidence that Abraham ever existed, Brainstormy Mar 2018 #103
I accept that you see them so. eom guillaumeb Mar 2018 #104
It illustrates the commonalities by allowing one of them to take ownership over the rest? Act_of_Reparation Mar 2018 #111
The title is, I believe, poetic license. guillaumeb Mar 2018 #116
I doubt it. Act_of_Reparation Mar 2018 #117
I did not find it so. But I understand your view. eom guillaumeb Mar 2018 #124
The only commonality I see is a predeliction to 'That thing you have, is mine'. AtheistCrusader Mar 2018 #135
 

Sophia4

(3,515 posts)
1. Jesus was born before Mohhamed, so it is more likely that Mohammed tried to borrow
Fri Mar 2, 2018, 06:42 PM
Mar 2018

from Jesus.

I think Hillel also said some of the things that Jesus said, but I am not an expert on Hillel.

Mohammed, however, lived after Jesus so if anyone copied anyone, it had to be Mohammed copying Jesus.

Mohammed fought and was responsible for killing people.

Jesus did not fight or kill anyone.

Jesus lived his message of love as far as we can tell.

Mohammed was responsible for killing people -- not a very loving thing to do.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
2. The word Islam means peace.
Fri Mar 2, 2018, 06:47 PM
Mar 2018

Many have killed in the name of Jesus and Mohammed.

Mohammed stated that violence in the form of self-defense is acceptable.

 

braddy

(3,585 posts)
16. Mohammed created Islam and then became a warlord general to advance it, he and the army that
Fri Mar 2, 2018, 07:18 PM
Mar 2018

he led didn't seem peaceful.

Mariana

(14,830 posts)
17. Jesus physically attacked people
Fri Mar 2, 2018, 07:19 PM
Mar 2018

who had offended him, with a weapon he constructed for that purpose. John 2 : 15

 

braddy

(3,585 posts)
19. Once, when he made a scourge of small cords and drove out the money changers from the Temple.
Fri Mar 2, 2018, 07:41 PM
Mar 2018

John 2:15 King James Version (KJV)
15 And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers' money, and overthrew the tables;

Mariana

(14,830 posts)
20. Yes. I was answering the claim
Fri Mar 2, 2018, 07:52 PM
Mar 2018

"Jesus did not fight or kill anyone." The story says he did fight some people. Someone who committed the same violent and destructive acts Jesus is said to have done would be arrested and charged with multiple felonies, if it happened in our time and place.

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
22. Since it happened a week before his crucifixion.
Fri Mar 2, 2018, 08:01 PM
Mar 2018

and assuming we can accept any part of the story is true, it's likely he was arrested for his attack om the temple rather than for blasphemy. He had been going around for a while preaching and was probably thought of as a crank, but once he committed violence, he had to be dealt with. Same as today. It's legal to be a religious nut but not to whip people in The National Cathedral.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
29. Jesus' actions at the Temple interfered with the sale of animals for ritual
Fri Mar 2, 2018, 08:24 PM
Mar 2018

sacrifice, and interfered with the money lenders. It was not the attack itself, but what he was attacking.

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
30. Right , because if he had only attacked small shopkeepers
Fri Mar 2, 2018, 08:37 PM
Mar 2018

in Nazareth, nobody would have minded at all.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
31. He was attacking a system.
Fri Mar 2, 2018, 08:38 PM
Mar 2018

And Jerusalem was the site of the Temple. Jesus had an excellent feel for what would gather maximum attention.

Mariana

(14,830 posts)
37. He violently assaulted human beings with a weapon
Fri Mar 2, 2018, 09:15 PM
Mar 2018

and destroyed their property, because their actions offended him.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
41. What it says is:
Fri Mar 2, 2018, 10:05 PM
Mar 2018

And making a whip of cords, he drove them all out of the temple, with the sheep and oxen. And he poured out the coins of the money-changers and overturned their tables. And he told those who sold the pigeons, "Take these things away; do not make my Father's house a house of trade.


It does not say that Jesus struck the moneychangers with the whip, it says he drove them.

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
45. The crime of assault does not requiry you actually strike a person
Fri Mar 2, 2018, 10:31 PM
Mar 2018

Turning over the tables would be vandalism or theft. And driving away oxen a week before Passover would be like putting someone else's car in neutral and pushing it down a hill into a crowd standing outside a church, literally on Palm Sunday.

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
67. I never saw any peace marcher cracking a whip
Sat Mar 3, 2018, 07:03 PM
Mar 2018

Or disrupt a church bazaar with the excuse that it was his church now and everyone else should get out. Yet what Jesus did was much worse and it forced the Jewish authorities to act. To add torment to injury, his followers spent 2,000 years justifying his crime and blaming the descendants of those who tried to preserve order for stopping him.

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
71. No, it's just a matter of reading the story for what it would mean to people who lived it
Sat Mar 3, 2018, 07:39 PM
Mar 2018

Not from the perspective of later generations who have to maintain the fiction of a sinless man-god. I have never met a Christian yet who actually understood how this story would have been perceived by the people there, yet if I did such a thing in a church on Sunday, they would surely have me arrested.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
72. You are attempting to frame your view as that of a typical "someone" of 30CE.
Sat Mar 3, 2018, 08:19 PM
Mar 2018

And this attempt, like all such speculative fiction, depends on you feeling that you have a special insight into the people of that time and place.

As long as you realize that this is what you did, your exercise is actually you projecting your own 21st century sensibilities and assumptions 21 centuries back in time.

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
73. I don't feel I have any special insight into people of that time and place
Sat Mar 3, 2018, 08:40 PM
Mar 2018

But somehow I think in any time or place, if you walk into a place of worship or business and drove people out with a whip, you might get some people mad at you, or worse. Is there some particular time or place you are aware of where this was considered acceptable behavior?

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
74. Again, you are imagining what people from 2000 years ago might have felt.
Sat Mar 3, 2018, 09:14 PM
Mar 2018

This act also has a symbolic component. A component that was partially echoed when the 95 Theses were nailed to the Cathedral door in Wittenburg. Another act of vandalism.

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
75. You have the most ahistorical imaginings I've ever seen
Sat Mar 3, 2018, 09:58 PM
Mar 2018

Last edited Sat Mar 3, 2018, 10:30 PM - Edit history (1)

You make any interpretation you want and call anyone who disagrees "too literal." But anyone who makes a different interpretation is "projecting," and doing "speculative fiction."

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
92. Your posts are speculative fiction.
Sun Mar 4, 2018, 06:31 PM
Mar 2018

They consisted of you imagining how people from 2000 years ago would have reacted. I mentioned the act of vandalism committed when 95 theses were nailed to the door. That symbolism echoed Jesus' actions in the Temple. Perhaps you missed that symbolism, and the reference.

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
96. church doors were used as bulletin board in those days
Sun Mar 4, 2018, 06:47 PM
Mar 2018

Not an act of vandalism and nobody saw it as such. Your interpretation is ahistorical. On the other, you seem to be imagining that in the ancient world, people actually might not have minded being driven by whips.


https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/justin-taylor/what-was-luther-doing-when-he-nailed-his-95-theses-to-the-wittenberg-door

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
99. Luther caused tremendous disruption to the existing social order.
Sun Mar 4, 2018, 07:00 PM
Mar 2018

And your speculation about the whip incident relies on you determining what actually happened and proceeding to build from there.

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
106. Usually you say people take the story too literally
Sun Mar 4, 2018, 07:21 PM
Mar 2018

So it seems everyone is either too literal or not literal enough.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
107. You decided on one interpretation.
Sun Mar 4, 2018, 07:28 PM
Mar 2018

If the words said "Jesus whipped the money changers" I would understand your point, but you speculated and proceeded to build a case fro what you feel could have happened.

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
108. You are taking the story too literally and speculating at the same time
Sun Mar 4, 2018, 07:33 PM
Mar 2018

If the story said, Jesus drove them out, but didn't hit anybody, made sure everyone got their money back, reunited them with their animals, and they agreed he was right, I would understand your point.

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
139. As I said, you are taking it too literally
Tue Mar 6, 2018, 12:51 AM
Mar 2018

And when someone else does that, you object loudly. Also you miss the point. Whether it was drove, whipped, smacked, or magically made their feet move, it was not a nice thing to do, and in every other society that has ever existed, forcing people out of a sacred space without sanction from religious authorities was regarded as illegal, and they arrested him less than a week later, a week when they were apparently looking for him, so it's not a baseless speculation that this was the immediate cause of his arrest, or at least a contributing factor.

The point of the story is apparently to show that there was a new religious authority in town, with new rules, and I think many Christians would agree with that without hesitation. But that doesn't mean the people he drove out liked it or accepted it, and I think many Christians would agree with that too.

Of course, Judea around 30 CE could be the place and time where most people actually liked being driven out of their sacred space by whips, but that would be baseless speculation on your part, and I know you would never do that, would you? Maybe they were really into sadomasochism, you know.

sprinkleeninow

(20,079 posts)
121. Hay now. I'm the culprit that says peoples take some Scripture way too
Mon Mar 5, 2018, 05:40 PM
Mar 2018

literally. And then fall down, go boom.

sprinkleeninow

(20,079 posts)
79. Temple of GOD. Munye changers conducting BUSINESS in THE HOUSE OF THE LORD.
Sun Mar 4, 2018, 01:57 AM
Mar 2018

Plus, Who was Jesus at that time, was the 'God'- 'man'.

He operated in a con-fusion of two natures.

But fully God and fully man. 'Theanthropos'.

He had human qualities. Cut Him a break.

He dint whip an'body. He got incensed and rightly so.

Those who were doing 'business' in His Temple were no doubt REPUBLUCRES! 😈

Thank you and good nite.

sprinkleeninow

(20,079 posts)
89. I hold that Jesus preached the Kingdom of God. His Kingdom that primarily was to come.
Sun Mar 4, 2018, 03:51 PM
Mar 2018

First to the Jews of whom many received and became the first believers. Then to the Gentiles, non-Judaic believers. If you are a 'believer' in 'God', you're part ways there.

He may seem to incorporate beneficent teachings that some see as other traditions of 'faith'. Belief systems other than of 'Christian'.

St. Paul preached Christ to many and somewhat assimilated into their culture while not corrupting or adulterating the true message.



sprinkleeninow

(20,079 posts)
118. Here we go. 🙄
Mon Mar 5, 2018, 05:03 PM
Mar 2018

That would be according to the Scripture being discussed. He whipped 'em/he didn't' whip 'em.

If you presume He didn't exist at all, then no need to fret.

"Dr. Livingstone, I presume?"

Mariana

(14,830 posts)
46. So he only threatened to strike them, if your interpretation is correct.
Fri Mar 2, 2018, 10:32 PM
Mar 2018

They must have believed he would do it, since they were frightened enough to run out and leave their money behind. The story indicates it was a violent expulsion, either way. There isn't the slightest suggestion that Jesus first asked them to leave, and explained to them why they should do so.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
95. Nowhere does it say that He struck them.
Sun Mar 4, 2018, 06:41 PM
Mar 2018

I understand that your point depends on this happening, but your desire has nothing to do with what is recorded/

 

Sophia4

(3,515 posts)
49. They were desecrating the temple of his religion.
Sat Mar 3, 2018, 01:42 AM
Mar 2018

The Bible does not say that he assaulted human beings. It just says he assaulted animals. It would not have been necessary for him to assault human beings.

It is interpreted as suggesting he threw the tables of the money changers over.

Mariana

(14,830 posts)
53. For centuries, most of the artists who have depicted the scene
Sat Mar 3, 2018, 05:25 AM
Mar 2018

have shown Jesus attacking the human beings with his whip. It is true the stories are less than crystal clear, so there is plenty of room for interpretation. The idea that he only beat the innocent animals, and carefully avoided striking any people, seems to be pretty new. Who knows, maybe that is the correct one.

sprinkleeninow

(20,079 posts)
82. He carefully avoided the cute innocent animals and smacked the
Sun Mar 4, 2018, 02:09 AM
Mar 2018

dirty clique of money changing traders in His House.

Oy veh.

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
57. Actually, he was desecrating the temple of THEIR religion
Sat Mar 3, 2018, 09:46 AM
Mar 2018

They were carrying out a century's old practice sanctioned by the highest religious authorities so that graven images of Caesar did not enter the holy sanctuary. Walk into a church bingo game today, start snapping a whip, and you'll soon find out who is desecrating a church and who isn't.

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
85. Oh I am cool with it, but what did Jesus seem like to his contemporaries?
Sun Mar 4, 2018, 06:14 AM
Mar 2018

He must have seemed crazy to many of them.


Mark 3:21
"When his family heard about this, they went to take charge of him, for they said, "He is out of his mind."

sprinkleeninow

(20,079 posts)
88. To the carnal 'eye', senses and 'thinking' there was/will be
Sun Mar 4, 2018, 03:37 PM
Mar 2018

things that are received/processed carnally.

When one 'sees' with spiritual 'eyes' and 'reasons' with or has 'understanding' by the spiritual 'intellect', 'things' ARE different as how they are received/processed.

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
91. I don't think anyone really does do sola scriptura
Sun Mar 4, 2018, 06:29 PM
Mar 2018

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They are just operating within an alternative tradition without acknowledging it.

 

braddy

(3,585 posts)
23. Jesus brought authority to his Temple. Mohammed raised an army and warred and conquered once he
Fri Mar 2, 2018, 08:03 PM
Mar 2018

created Islam, after living a life of being a rich peaceful merchant , even taking and giving sex slaves and committing mass be-headings.

Jesus and Mohammed's lives are both the perfect example for their respective followers.

Mariana

(14,830 posts)
26. I wasn't making a comparison between the two.
Fri Mar 2, 2018, 08:16 PM
Mar 2018

I was rebutting a very specific incorrect claim, that's all.

 

Sophia4

(3,515 posts)
48. Actually, that verse is ambiguous.
Sat Mar 3, 2018, 01:39 AM
Mar 2018

Jesus Cleanses the Temple
…14In the temple courts He found men selling cattle, sheep, and doves, and money changers seated at their tables. 15So He made a whip out of cords and drove all from the temple courts, both sheep and cattle. He poured out the coins of the money changers and overturned their tables. 16To those selling doves He said, “Get these out of here! How dare you turn My Father’s house into a marketplace!”…

http://biblehub.com/john/2-15.htm

Did he whip anyone? That verse does not say he did. It merely says he drove "both sheep and cattle" from the temple and overturned the tables of the money changers.

He did not kill anyone. It is questionable whether he merely drove the sheep and cattle or people out with the whip.

Christians, based on other teachings of Jesus, do not believe that he whipped the money changers or the men selling their cattle, sheep and doves.

I wasn't there.

Mariana

(14,830 posts)
77. It depends on which translation you're reading
Sun Mar 4, 2018, 01:11 AM
Mar 2018

whether it says he drove out the animals, or drove out the people and the animals. The KJV mentions the people being driven out, as do some other popular versions.

Of course, we weren't there. Neither were the writers of any of the gospels. The different translators don't agree. We really are reduced to guessing, aren't we?

 

Sophia4

(3,515 posts)
78. Yes. But in my opinion, what is believed by the followers of a religion may be more
Sun Mar 4, 2018, 01:35 AM
Mar 2018

important about the religion than what the person credited for starting the religion really said or did.

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
87. I think you are right
Sun Mar 4, 2018, 12:37 PM
Mar 2018

Religion isn't about the foundational texts so much as the interpretation of those texts, which often changes from generation to generation. Followers of a religion may not realize how much things change over time, but I think it's a good thing overall, or we'd still be burning heretics.

Glorfindel

(9,701 posts)
3. "A discussion on Jesus teaching on Muhammads prophecy"? Oh, please.
Fri Mar 2, 2018, 06:49 PM
Mar 2018

That's even worse than saying that Thomas Jefferson was inspired by the life and times of John F. Kennedy.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
4. Jesus taught a religion of peace.
Fri Mar 2, 2018, 06:52 PM
Mar 2018

The root of Islam is istaslama, meaning to submit. And salaam means peace.

But the article discusses the obvious similarities between the message of Jesus and that of Mohammed.

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
12. This is called the "root word fallacy"
Fri Mar 2, 2018, 07:12 PM
Mar 2018
https://wikiislam.net/wiki/The_Meaning_of_Islam

That it is a fallacy is not in dispute among linguists although many theologians still use it.

flyingfysh

(1,990 posts)
6. what kind of Chrisitianity did early Islam come in contact with?
Fri Mar 2, 2018, 06:59 PM
Mar 2018

People forget that a major branch of Christianity at the time was Arian, which is now called a heresy. This branch maintains that Jesus was not divine, but was God's highest creation. At one time the majority of Christian theologians were actually Arian. The Nicene Creed was an attempt to squelch the differences. The Arians decided that if you understood the phrasing just right, they could in fact agree to it. Many passages such as "Why do you call me good? There is none good but God." can be read as Jesus denying divinity. Of course, there are others, including the entire book of John, which reads the other way.

Several years ago the Moslems produced a movie intended to explain Mohammed to the West (the entire movie was done without actually showing an actor playing Mohammed), and it shows an episode where Mohammed was fleeing his pursuers, and found refuge with a local Christian king. The king tells the pursuers that Mohammed's ideas and his own Christian ideas were very close to each other, and tells them "Not for a mountain of gold would I give him up to you". If this Christian were Arian, this makes sense; the churches in that area tended to be Arian.

The name Arian comes from a priest in Alexandria, named Arius, who disagreed with his bishop Anastasias, who subscribed to the idea that Jesus was divine. The Arians lasted for hundreds of years, and gradually died out. The exact history here is something scholars know about.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
8. A good question.
Fri Mar 2, 2018, 07:03 PM
Mar 2018

Much of the time the early Muslims were fighting against the dominant polytheistic tribes in what is Saudi Arabia. I will look into this and I hope you do also.

And yes, the Council of Nicea was convened to standardize Christian beliefs.

But in this article, the author is speaking of the many similarities between the messages of Jesus and Mohammed.

Igel

(35,173 posts)
38. And yet at the same time there were a variety of Xians around.
Fri Mar 2, 2018, 09:34 PM
Mar 2018

As well as Jewish communities in Arabia.

Some of the Xians on the outskirts might have still observed OT holidays and something like kashrut. Others, probably not so much. Arianism was around but mostly a European thing by Muhammed's day. Muhammed didn't get much to Europe.There were a lot of peripheral heresies and Constantinople's sway didn't extend into a lot of the Xian hinterland. Sourcing Muhammad's theology in that way is considered a really bad thing by Muslim scholars, and was considered a sort of bad thing by a lot of sympathetic scholars in decades past.

Look at the state of Qur'aanic criticism. Exegesis, sure. But to try to source it, pull it apart to find various authors and editors, find changes made over time and really bad transmission errors or misinterpretations is not a path to academic or personal longevity. Textual variants are few, homogeneity is enforced, and we have yet to see a critical edition of the Qur'aan.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
42. There were and are numerous sects in all 3 of the Abrahamic religions.
Fri Mar 2, 2018, 10:07 PM
Mar 2018

I have only lightly read the Quran, certainly not enough to speak about it, but there are numerous variants testifying to numerous interpretations.

Bretton Garcia

(970 posts)
52. Muslims say Mohammed's father-in-law was a (Christian?) priest
Sat Mar 3, 2018, 05:13 AM
Mar 2018

So he learned about Christianity from one of his wives, and her family.

To me, from the Quran, it sounds like a pretty generic Christianity. Though maybe a little (Greek?) Orthodox. The prophet didn't want to call Jesus the "Son" of God. Holding to the more conservative Old Testament, non-trinitarian view of a God with no conventional son beside him.

For Islam, Jesus or " Isa," is a great prophet. But not the son of God.

So that explains M's higher level of violence over Jesus: greater residual attachment to the Old Testament. The Old Testament God was MUCH more violent than Jesus.

vlyons

(10,252 posts)
7. Jesus was influenced Mahayana Buddhism
Fri Mar 2, 2018, 07:01 PM
Mar 2018

Assuming that there was a historical Buddha, of course. The Great emperor Ashoka spread Buddhism throughout Northern India, The Himalayas, and throughout Pakistan and Afghanistan. When Alexander the Great made it to Ghandahar (modern day Kandahar in Afghanistan), he left several Greek philosophers. Alexander opened the Silk road to Greece and the Mediteranean. Hinayana Buddhism influenced the Greek stoics. By the time of Jesus, Mahayana Buddhism had been spread throughout the countries accessible via the silk road. So it is entirely possible that Jesus could have had contact with altruistic philosophy in his youth. His father, Joseph, was a "carpenter, who probably found work building the city and port of Caesarea for Herod the Greek. So it is entirely possible that Buddhist ideas and philosophies were circulating in the Levant in Jesus' time.

Hinayana Buddhism is concerned with liberation from suffering by developing personal virtue and self control over thought, speech, and actions. Mahayana Buddhism is concerned with altruistic actions for the benefit of others, compassion for the sufferings of ohers, patience, and tolerance.

Behaving virtuously and generating compassion for others is not the exclusive domain of any one particular religion or belief system. Many many people throughout history have concluded that altruistic behavior ultimately benefits themselves and benefits the family, the local community, and the tribe/nation.

I consider Jesus to have been a great Boddhisattva. I don't think that he was a divine being, who resurrected after death and defyed gravity and flew up to heaven. Mohammed didn't defy gravity either.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
11. Compassion for others is indeed key.
Fri Mar 2, 2018, 07:08 PM
Mar 2018

And it is key to peacefully living in a group.

And that peaceful living is conducive to group survival.

But violence is used to control others.

I think that Jesus, and Mohammed, and everyone share in the divinity of the Creator. As the Friends, say, there is a spark of the Creator in each of us.

vlyons

(10,252 posts)
24. I'm not advocating that there were Buddhiist temples and monasteries in Judea
Fri Mar 2, 2018, 08:10 PM
Mar 2018

I doubt that either Roman or Judean authorities would have tolerated Buddhist temples with Buddha statues. But Buddhist ideas and philosophies are another matter. I'm advocating that Buddhist ideas about refraining from extreme selfish behavior and altruistic compassion for others were circulating as a result of the spread of Buddhism in Asia and along the silk routes. Greco-Buddhism had already been operative for 300+ years by the time of Jesus. We know already from the writing of Aristotle and the Greek stoics emphasized the virtues of moderation in all things (temperance), prudence (wisdom), courage, and justice.

See info about Greco-Buddhism at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greco-Buddhism. Some of the Greco-Buddhist statues of Buddha draped in Greek robes are quite lovely.

Greco-Buddhism - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Gandhara_Buddha_(tnm).jpeg

See Greco-Buddhist influence on Christianity at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhist_influences_on_Christianity

This is just my belief that I share for your consideration.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
15. Showing that the message of tolerance and peace is universal.
Fri Mar 2, 2018, 07:17 PM
Mar 2018

But some continue to use violence as a means of control.

left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
18. Similarities Between Buddha and Jesus
Fri Mar 2, 2018, 07:32 PM
Mar 2018

A number of recent books have proposed the idea that Buddha and Jesus are practically brothers.
Close to the end of 'Living Buddha, Living Christ' Buddhist monk Thich Nhat Hanh asserted,
"When you are a truly happy Christian, you are also a Buddhist. And vice versa."

https://buddha-christ.info/similarities.html

vlyons

(10,252 posts)
25. Well no, that's not so
Fri Mar 2, 2018, 08:15 PM
Mar 2018

Although many religions share similar ideas about compassion and virtuous living.

To formally be a Christian, you must first be baptized.

To formally be a Buddhist, you must take refuge in the Buddha, Dharma, and Sangha.

Of course, you can practice Christian and/or Buddhist teachings without undergoing the formalities.

I'm a happy Buddhist, but I'm not very fond of Christianity, especially the established Church. Buddhism is not a religion. It is a non-theistic practice. You can be a Christian and practice meditation, but you cannot be a Buddhist and believe in the Trinity, the virgin birth, original sin, etc.

Voltaire2

(12,511 posts)
55. Hush. Theists are desperately trying
Sat Mar 3, 2018, 09:36 AM
Mar 2018

to find some reason to continue believing in their lifeless gods. Have some compassion. Let them wedge their failed beliefs into any shoe that even remotely fits.

vlyons

(10,252 posts)
59. Sorry, but no again
Sat Mar 3, 2018, 10:01 AM
Mar 2018

As a Buddhist, I want to keep my vows, one of which is not to lie. Human beings seem to want to create and believe in the fictions of deities. It so much easier and gentle on the ego to blame "outside," "other" agents for our suffering.

Voltaire2

(12,511 posts)
65. At which point youve reduced your claim
Sat Mar 3, 2018, 07:00 PM
Mar 2018

to a meaningless tautology. Great point. Well done. All religions are religions.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
66. Did you read the entire article?
Sat Mar 3, 2018, 07:02 PM
Mar 2018

If you did, you read the point.

If you did not read the article, that is another matter.

eallen

(2,949 posts)
47. Islam was invented centuries after Christianity
Fri Mar 2, 2018, 11:37 PM
Mar 2018

Yes, of course, Muslims tried to coopt and displace Christianity. Just as Christians tried to coopt and displace Judaism. And just as Judaism tried to coopt and displace earlier religions.

That is how religion works.

Are there commonalities among the three Abrahamic religions? Of course. And that means nothing except that they are historically related.

The Abraham myth remains one of the ugliest ever invented.

RainCaster

(10,585 posts)
51. Number 11: Bill Maher said it is true
Sat Mar 3, 2018, 03:00 AM
Mar 2018

Of course not. Forgive me for stating the obvious, but this is a silly argument.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
63. A long article, but it well illustrates the many commonalities of the 3 Abrahamic religions.
Sat Mar 3, 2018, 06:55 PM
Mar 2018

I felt that the article was interesting and it provides a short list of the commonalities between the 2 religions.

sprinkleeninow

(20,079 posts)
97. Some soitenly have a repertoire with no end. It appears thus.
Sun Mar 4, 2018, 06:53 PM
Mar 2018

Guillaume, mon frère, mon ami.
Ie suis fan de tois. Très! Mucho grande!

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
100. I liked the article as well.
Sun Mar 4, 2018, 07:03 PM
Mar 2018

My guess is that some did not read the actual article but proceeded to comment based solely on the title.

They might be surprised to discover that there is no character named Carol in Dickens' A Christmas Carol.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,070 posts)
76. Variations of the golden rule appear in religions that predate Christianity
Sat Mar 3, 2018, 10:49 PM
Mar 2018

by centuries and are unrelated to the Abrahamic religions, including Hinduism, Buddhism, Taoism, Jainism, Confucianism and Zoroastrianism.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
94. True. It is common to all human societies.
Sun Mar 4, 2018, 06:35 PM
Mar 2018

And given that all human societies rely on people respecting boundaries of other members of the tribe/country/clan, that is not surprising.

I am certain that Neanderthal humans and earlier hominids also practiced the golden rule.

sprinkleeninow

(20,079 posts)
98. Oh my DOG!
Sun Mar 4, 2018, 06:58 PM
Mar 2018

Jes' contemplating where we may have 'evolved' from. Cave people. Yikes. I don't relish that picture. "Hunny, whut's fer supper tanite?" Eew.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
101. The caves in Lascaux.
Sun Mar 4, 2018, 07:05 PM
Mar 2018

Artistry, and the same impulse to create that reflects that spark of the Creator.

sprinkleeninow

(20,079 posts)
105. Alright. That's more better. Artistry by some 'originals'. Like!
Sun Mar 4, 2018, 07:15 PM
Mar 2018

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As a opposite member of the male gender, envisioning some stuff is yicky.

As more highly evolved 'humans' presently, wot
short-circuited resulting in the neanderthal landing in our peoples' house?

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
113. The problem with those cave paintings
Mon Mar 5, 2018, 12:36 PM
Mar 2018

Is that we don't know what they were for. Anthropologists think they were used in religious rituals but that's an educated guess at best. And even if they were used in rituals, we definitely don't know what kind.

A general "artistic impulse" is not evidence for anything other than we have certain impulses.

sprinkleeninow

(20,079 posts)
123. Please see my take on this in another post I think I responded to you
Mon Mar 5, 2018, 05:57 PM
Mar 2018

somewhere over here in this place....

If, as I do believe, God is All in All, He planted His likeness, not image, in all Creation from the beginning. A better and more understandable translation of "In the beginning..." would be: "in principle" or "in essence". Orthodoxies love that word essence!

🎼"I'm late. I'm late. For a very important date..."

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
114. Showing once again that you will not miss an oportunity
Mon Mar 5, 2018, 03:54 PM
Mar 2018

to deny the role of religion in the human experience.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
125. It would be fine if you didn't pretend it applied to all humans.
Mon Mar 5, 2018, 06:36 PM
Mar 2018

If you kept your beliefs to yourself/your fellow travelers, that would be a non-argument.

Instead, you keep trying to extend the property rights of your claimed god, to me. (And others.)

Please stop.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
128. My mistake.
Mon Mar 5, 2018, 06:43 PM
Mar 2018

You actually scoped it for all species that create.

Artistry, and the same impulse to create that reflects that spark of the Creator.


I do not recognize your claim of a creator, nor do I recognize your claim of a supernatural reflection of the process of creation upon reality.

At the end of the day, you are simply asserting to my face (and everyone else) that we owe something to your god.

Wars have been fought over less.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
129. Are you aware that what I wrote is an opinion?
Mon Mar 5, 2018, 06:45 PM
Mar 2018

If you are not aware, allow me to say that it is my opinion.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
126. Neat. I am not.
Mon Mar 5, 2018, 06:37 PM
Mar 2018

You and he are free to believe you are a reflection of your creator.

I am not. Others like me, assert we are not. Please leave it at that.

sprinkleeninow

(20,079 posts)
130. "Please leave it at that."
Mon Mar 5, 2018, 06:48 PM
Mar 2018

I do, I did, I will. Whatever you want.

Y'all can say stuff, but 'we' cannot.

I sincerely am not offended.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
132. Have I told you, you are not created by your god?
Mon Mar 5, 2018, 06:57 PM
Mar 2018

Not believing in your god myself, and refusing the claim of religious people that their supernatural god has some sort of stamp upon me (my heart according to the Abrahamic faiths, which I assert is a fluid pump and nothing more) is not the same as telling you YOU aren't, and YOU don't. I've made no claim upon your nature.

I simply refuse your claim upon mine. Don't play the wounded animal. If I was 'y'all can say stuff', I'd be saying a good deal more, and no passer-by would mistake it for anything else.

sprinkleeninow

(20,079 posts)
120. Oh, 'spark'.... Thas where the sparky snarky retort has its source in.
Mon Mar 5, 2018, 05:30 PM
Mar 2018

Guillaume, mon frère. J'e t'adore.
Chin chin! 🍷🍷

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
112. Gil always wants to tie prehistoric religion into his Cristianity
Mon Mar 5, 2018, 12:13 PM
Mar 2018

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Which I think is odd because prehistoric religions were very different. May not have had gods at all, just various spirits to be appeased. But it's all theism as far as he is concerned.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
115. Perhaps you should reread what I wrote.
Mon Mar 5, 2018, 03:55 PM
Mar 2018

Or perhaps you are responding to what you felt was the sub-text.

Or more properly, what you imagined to be the sub-text.

sprinkleeninow

(20,079 posts)
119. First off, one practicing/following/studying not only the Christian Faith, its origins, its organic
Mon Mar 5, 2018, 05:22 PM
Mar 2018

root(s), but also ALL of Scripture and accompanying texts, has understanding that the belief in A Creator Who is Eternal, Who is All in All, (I could go on), 'used' the method He did in developing the life that we have acquired and know today.

I hold that He allowed EVERYTHING, including all various pagan, gods & godless, tree-stump worshipping, etc. RELIGIONS to come into being as a stepping stone to the fullness of time when Jesus the Christ Incarnate appeared on this earth, completed His ministry, accomplished why He was sent, and returned to the Heavenly Kingdom.



marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
138. Well, that's at least a clearly stated position based on existing literary tradition
Tue Mar 6, 2018, 12:38 AM
Mar 2018

The trouble with guillaimeb is that his positions are often very unclear and offer unproven opinions as fact, unless they are faith, but at any point might be converted back to facts again, but never at any point are any of his opinions in doubt. In this particular instance, I am offering an interpretation of the text, that appears to be at least a reasonable one, even if, as a matter of Christian tradition, Christian do not hold it. Guillaimeb opposes it by using an extremely literal interpretation. He has frequently disagreed when others offer such interpretations, claiming they are being too literal.

sprinkleeninow

(20,079 posts)
140. I got lost in the shuffle! 😀
Tue Mar 6, 2018, 02:11 AM
Mar 2018

Please be so kind and provide the interpretation of what 'text' that appears to be a reasonable one even if traditional Christianity does not hold it? Or are you speaking in generalities?

Not the 'Jesus whips the temple attendees' one? ☺

I am only able to state or mb even cite some references expanding on the limited things I write regarding Eastern Orthodoxy.

It's intertwined and some gets deep. I said b4 I understand what I read or have read over the years, but don't have the theological background to repeat it properly.

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
142. This thread is getting convoluted
Tue Mar 6, 2018, 10:23 PM
Mar 2018

So I am a little lost too.

But I guess my point is that it is one thing to say, as you did, that Jesus should be understood in the context of everything that came before and after. That's fine.

But guilliameb is very confusing because he keeps switching context. He assumes the cave paintings are religious. Fine but there is no evidence of that. At another point he takes it as proof that religion always existed. At yet another point, it's proof not just of religion, but theism. And if you dispute that, it stops beings evidence, and becomes just an opinion, without an evidence needed because it is an opinion.

sprinkleeninow

(20,079 posts)
143. I access DU via phone which doesn't have full effect as a pc.
Wed Mar 7, 2018, 12:09 AM
Mar 2018

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I lost my way in this thread.

I can only answer for myself, to the best of my limited ability, as I have admitted.

If, as a 'believer', you come to an understanding
that, bc you acknowledge 'God', you have enlightenment that He, as having no beginning, and as 'having the' and 'being the' creative force of everything that had, or has or will continue to have being, 'in simplicity'-» He was, is and continues to be in all. There is no 'time'/instance when He never was.

And so, as plainly as I can express, if He has been in all since 'in principle'/Genesis, He arranged for all the worship of gods, goddesses, sun, moon, stars, 'tree stumps', etc. to prelude 'in the fullness of time' the Incarnation. As a 'believer', I hold this things did not take Him by surprise. I hold it was deliberate. But not a reason to confuse His Crown of Creation, humankind.

Cave drawings, etc. can 'hint at' those living then may have had an inner knowing of spirituality [God] that was not defined as we know 'God' presently. Like an evolution. If He is the Author and Completion of our lives, He put His being/likeness in all. So it could reasonably be that those predating us had a veiled knowledge of Him. Not all, but some may have been more openly receptive than others and did worship, but not with knowledge of Whom.

I don't know what else to say. 🤗

sprinkleeninow

(20,079 posts)
141. If one claims to be a 'Christian believer', they need to know what they believe and why.
Tue Mar 6, 2018, 02:35 AM
Mar 2018

Not just bc the preacher man told them so.

And they need to back up their believing with reasonable explanation and offer (cite) expanded historical and theological writings, texts, etc. So thus shall the inquirer seek further enlightenment on that Christian tradition of faith.

I love my Eastern Orthodox Faith. I didn't establish it. It was given to me. I can't speak or 'apologize' for other traditions.

Brainstormy

(2,379 posts)
103. since there's not a shred of evidence that Abraham ever existed,
Sun Mar 4, 2018, 07:06 PM
Mar 2018

I'm always amused by the phrase "the three Abrahamic religions." Their true commonality is that they're all fictions.

Act_of_Reparation

(9,104 posts)
111. It illustrates the commonalities by allowing one of them to take ownership over the rest?
Mon Mar 5, 2018, 11:53 AM
Mar 2018

Jesus didn't preach Islam. Islam preaches Jesus. This might sound pedantic, but if ecumenicalism is the goal here, taking ownership of other peoples' shit is not the way to go about it.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
116. The title is, I believe, poetic license.
Mon Mar 5, 2018, 04:02 PM
Mar 2018

The author speaks of commonalities, and of Jesus prefiguring the Prophet.

Act_of_Reparation

(9,104 posts)
117. I doubt it.
Mon Mar 5, 2018, 04:36 PM
Mar 2018

Islamic dogma has long maintained that Islam is the true religion revealed to Abraham by God, that Judaism and Christianity are corruptions of Islam. The author's phrasing makes sense in this context. If Islam is the true religion and Christianity is the corruption, then the teachings of Jesus mirrored in the Qur'an must be "true" and must therefore be Islamic, not Christian.

This doesn't really read like an ecumenical article, either. It's more like proselytizing.

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