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Related: About this forumSam Harris Podcast #125 - What is Christianity?
https://samharris.org/podcasts/what-is-christianity/
What is Christianity?
In this episode of the Waking Up podcast, Sam Harris speaks to Bart Ehrman about his experience of being a born-again Christian, his academic training in New Testament scholarship, his loss of faith, the most convincing argument in defense of Christianity, the status of miracles, the composition of the New Testament, the resurrection of Jesus, the nature of heaven and hell, the book of Revelation, the End Times, self-contradictions in the Bible, the concept of a messiah, whether Jesus actually existed, Christianity as a cult of human sacrifice, the conversion of Constantine, and other topics.
Bart D. Ehrman is the author or editor of more than thirty books, including the New York Times bestsellers Misquoting Jesus and How Jesus Became God. Ehrman is a professor of religious studies at the University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill, and a leading authority on the New Testament and the history of early Christianity. He has been featured in Time, The New Yorker, and The Washington Post, and has appeared on NBC, CNN, The Daily Show with Jon Stewart, The History Channel, National Geographic, BBC, major NPR shows, and other top print and broadcast media outlets. His most recent book is The Triumph of Christianity.
Duppers
(28,117 posts)Thanks.
Major Nikon
(36,818 posts)Not surprisingly the process involves the erosion of critical thinking typically from a very young age or some other point of vulnerability.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)Major Nikon
(36,818 posts)And youll have your answer.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)Or wished to avoid answering.
Major Nikon
(36,818 posts)...and still you complain. Kinda funny how that works.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)Major Nikon
(36,818 posts)Don't let it be said I'm not down for a good chuckle.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)The best part is how he doesn't even realize it. Or maybe he does, since he's admitted his entire act in here is just that - performance art - playing to throngs of believers who cheer him on via personal messages, or so he says.
Major Nikon
(36,818 posts)I can certainly see the attraction and the benefits speak for themselves. The only cost of entry is self-delusion.
MineralMan
(146,248 posts)Are you sure?
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)It is also called socialization.
Major Nikon
(36,818 posts)...while completely ignoring the context in which it was used.
Thats exactly why I decided to play your game of refusing to provide a straight answer to the question posed. Had I done otherwise you would have pretended I was talking about something else and proceeded to tell me what I meant as if you know better.
Mariana
(14,854 posts)Gil considered the use of that word extremely offensive, because, he said, it is a very loaded and negative term.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/1218278331#post16
https://www.democraticunderground.com/1218278331#post27
trotsky
(49,533 posts)Your equivocation is definitely not going to work here.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)trotsky
(49,533 posts)Or not.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)trotsky
(49,533 posts)I simply wanted you to support your statement.
You didn't. I think everyone can surmise why.
MineralMan
(146,248 posts)The two words are not synonymous. I think you may need a better dictionary.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)marylandblue
(12,344 posts)guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)What one calls indoctrination, another calls socialization.
marylandblue
(12,344 posts)You declared the two synonymous, when clearly there is a difference in their minds.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)A terrorist and a freedom fighter might employ the same tactics, but who wears which label depends on who is looking.
marylandblue
(12,344 posts)Last edited Mon May 14, 2018, 10:15 AM - Edit history (1)
And people sometimes blur the distinction to make a political point. But that doesn't mean that an objective distinction can't be made between the two.
Major Nikon
(36,818 posts)guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)marylandblue
(12,344 posts)That's not semiotics which is the study of MEANING and COMMUNICATION. But you usually ignore what people actually mean.What you do is sophistry, which is the use of empty rhetoric to win debating points.
In this case, you told me to "feel free" to make that distinction, which clearly indicates you won't so you can blur the distinction between socialization and indoctrination in order to maintain your rhetorical point. Which is what you meant and communicated, not what you said. Semiotics.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)but chose to attack instead.
marylandblue
(12,344 posts)I understand.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)A symbiotic but dysfunctional relationship?
marylandblue
(12,344 posts)guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)marylandblue
(12,344 posts)guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)marylandblue
(12,344 posts)guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)Major Nikon
(36,818 posts)Act 1
Claim it's the fault of everyone else as to why they can't understand your gibberish.
Act 2
Claim people are calling you names you can't cite.
Act 3
Claim people are ignoring you.
Act 4
Whine about using one word over another, as if "semiotics" is somehow relevant
Act 5
Repeat previous acts randomly ad nauseum
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1218&pid=278451
Lordquinton
(7,886 posts)But I still don't understand why you keep bringing it into the conversation. I mean, semiotics can be used to look at the differences, but I hardly see how that's relevant.
Major Nikon
(36,818 posts)That's why I said indoctrination and not socialization.
Major Nikon
(36,818 posts)The belief those two words are interchangeable isn't that great in any context. The belief those two words are interchangeable in the context of religion is decidedly subliterate.
Major Nikon
(36,818 posts)That should have been the first clue. Everyone is socialized, but not everyone is indoctrinated. For those who have been indoctrinated from their earliest days, it's probably a hard concept to grasp as close mindedness and self-righteousness comes with the indoctrination.
MineralMan
(146,248 posts)Some, however, and the percentage is growing, reject that indoctrination at some point. With maturity and thought, indoctrination can be overcome by strong minds. Not everyone, however, develops the critical thinking skills needed to defeat personal indoctrination. That's a pity.
More is the pity that some not only do not overcome it, but go on to perpetrate such indoctrination on subsequent generations.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)MineralMan
(146,248 posts)Many throw off indoctrination and replace it with reasoned principles. I recommend it.
Major Nikon
(36,818 posts)Which is ironic because my father was a minister. If he was ever asked by anyone what to believe, his standard answer was you need to figure that one out on your own. He saw the value in letting me make up my own mind on the subject and put a high value on critical thinking.