Good news Cuba's draft constitution opens path to gay marriage

[guillaumeb]

From the article:

The draft of Cuba’s new constitution opens the path to same-sex marriage, a government official said on Saturday, which would make the country that once persecuted homosexuals an unlikely leader in lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender rights.
In the early years of Fidel Castro’s 1959 revolution, many homosexuals were sent to correctional labor camps, part of an institutionalized homophobia for which Castro later apologized.....

Five evangelical denominations shared a statement on social media last month declaring marriage “exclusively the union of a man and a woman, according to the Bible.”

To read more:

https://www.politicususa.com/2018/07/21/cubas-draft-constitution-opens-path-to-gay-marriage.html

Good news that finally Cuba is recognizing what should be obvious, and bad news that for many years, the atheistic government joined with theists in denying rights. Seems that intolerance knows no boundaries.

[MineralMan]

1. Let us know when that "draft" becomes the actual constitution, OK?

Meanwhile, LGBTQ folks are getting married daily right here in the USofA. So, it will be good news from Cuba when that is happening there. Until then, it's not really news at all, just a possibility.

[guillaumeb]

4. Interesting how both theists and atheists were on the same side in Cuba.

Almost as if intolerance is a human characteristic.

[Mariana]

6. So, your OP contains (potentially) good news

about the secular government in Cuba, and indisputably bad news about the religious institutions there. Interesting.

[trotsky]

11. LMAO

Once again he fails to read thru what he posts.

He just sees an opportunity to promote his agenda (ZOMG, ATHEISTS JUST AS BADZ) and leaps before he looks.

Never gets old, laughing at gil and his antics.

[Mariana]

12. Could Gil be a Poe?

He's just so consistent, always posting stuff that obviously makes religion look bad and calling it "good news". It's really weird.

[trotsky]

13. I've often wondered that.

He's basically admitted his posts are performance art for his large, invisible fan club, so is it really that much of a stretch to assume that, too, is part of the performance?

The one element that really sells this point is his total refusal to engage in actual discussion, to expound upon what he believes and actually answer questions. That betrays the lack of an actual position, and demonstrates only a desire to get reactions.

[Major Nikon]

16. Performance art...

[trotsky]

17. Thank you for that.

Now I have the perfect mental image for whenever gil starts a new thread.

[guillaumeb]

19. You are consistent in your pattern,

mixing attack with more attack.

[trotsky]

22. I am so sorry...

that when I point out how you self-destruct time and time again, you think it's an "attack."

So typical.

[Major Nikon]

15. Around the world secular governments abandon religious discrimination

...while religious institutions continue to be on the wrong side of history.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Same-sex_marriage#Same-sex_marriage_around_the_world

[guillaumeb]

20. It contains both good and bad news.

Bad in that the atheistic leaders showed just as much intolerance as the theists.

[Mariana]

21. Cuba ceased to be an atheist state in 1992.

What does it say about religion, Gil, that you expect more tolerance from atheists than you do from theists?

[Act_of_Reparation]

9. I'm sure the culture of modern Cuba having been shaped by 500 years of Spanish Catholicism...

...is completely irrelevant.

[Mariana]

2. The churches are in opposition, as usual. nt.

[guillaumeb]

3. As were the atheists who ran the Government. eom

[Mariana]

5. Cuba ceased to be an atheist state in 1992.

That's why the churches are free to openly oppose a potential change in government policies.

[edhopper]

7. Did they oppose it due to their atheism

the way religious Governments, churches and people oppose it due to their religion?

And after 1992, was the reason they gave was still atheism?

[guillaumeb]

18. Or was it generalized intolerance and homophobia? eom

[marylandblue]

8. The whole homophobic meme comes from religion

The pre-Christian Greeks and Romans had no problem with it. As far as homosexuals are concerned, the advent of Christianity was an unmitigated disaster that still hurts them today.

[Major Nikon]

10. You sure know how to ruin a good whataboutism rant

[Major Nikon]

14. Yet another train wreck of a thread

The part you conveniently (and no doubt intentionally) miss is Castro's atheism had exactly zero to do with oppression of homosexuals.

Meanwhile Abrahamic religions enshrine homosexual discrimination in their tomes, dogma, doctrine, and customs the latter of which has far more to do with Castro's oppression than atheism which most certainly prescribes no such discrimination. Castro was raised a Catholic and as such had oppression of homosexuality indoctrinated into him from his earliest days.

Where you start to fail is trying to equate atheism to religion and your entire argument simply builds on the sandy foundations of this fallacy. When a theist discriminates against someone, there's a pretty good chance they can find justification for doing so within their theism. With atheism this is utterly impossible, which makes the implication utterly ridiculous.

When someone unethically discriminates against someone else, that act unquestionably reflects on them personally. When they use their belief system to aid them in that task, the act unquestionably reflects on their belief system. When the belief system (or lack thereof) contains nothing that will assist the person in their discrimination, then associating those two things is a big failure.