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Soph0571

(9,685 posts)
Sun Sep 2, 2018, 07:22 AM Sep 2018

Christian and Conservative lack of compatibility is somewhat astounding



Follow me if you will down the road of defining conservatism and the juxtaposition between the values of conservatism and the values of Christianity.
Conservatism: Some definitions
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a : the principles and policies of a Conservative party
b : the Conservative party
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a : disposition in politics to preserve what is established
b : a political philosophy based on tradition and social stability, stressing established institutions, and preferring gradual development to abrupt change; specifically : such a philosophy calling for lower taxes, limited government regulation of business and investing, a strong national defense, and individual financial responsibility for personal needs (as retirement income or health-care coverage)
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a: the tendency to prefer an existing or traditional situation to change
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/conservatism

As a popular political movement, conservatism is more specific regarding a host of specific political issues that include (among other things) the pro-life movement, judicial restraint, welfare reform, immigration reform and the sanctity of marriage (specifically the opposition to gay marriage).
http://usconservatives.about.com/od/glossaryterms/g/Conservatism.htm

Christianity: A few verses

Deuteronomy 24:14-15 Do not take advantage of a hired man who is poor and needy, whether he is a brother Israelite or an alien living in one of your towns. Pay him his wages each day before sunset, because he is poor and is counting on it. Otherwise he may cry to the LORD against you, and you will be guilty of sin.

Proverbs 29 : 7 The righteous care about justice for the poor, but the wicked have no such concern.

Malachi 3:5 “So I will come near to you for judgement. I will be quick to testify against … those who defraud labourers of their wages, who oppress the widows and the fatherless, and deprive aliens of justice, but do not fear me,” says the LORD Almighty.

James 5:1-6 Now listen, you rich people, weep and wail because of the misery that is coming upon you. Your wealth has rotted, and moths have eaten your clothes. Your gold and silver are corroded. Their corrosion will testify against you and eat your flesh like fire. You have hoarded wealth in the last days. Look! The wages you failed to pay the workmen who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord Almighty. You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves in the day of slaughter. You have condemned and murdered innocent men, who were not opposing you.

Matthew 19:21 : Jesus said to him, “If you would be perfect, go, sell what you possess and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me.”

Amos 5:11-15 : Therefore because you trample on the poor and you exact taxes of grain from him, you have built houses of hewn stone, but you shall not dwell in them; you have planted pleasant vineyards, but you shall not drink their wine. For I know how many are your transgressions and how great are your sins— you who afflict the righteous, who take a bribe, and turn aside the needy in the gate. Therefore, he who is prudent will keep silent in such a time, for it is an evil time

Matthew 25:31-46 :“When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit on his glorious throne. Before him will be gathered all the nations, and he will separate people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. And he will place the sheep on his right, but the goats on the left. Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me, ...

I believe that Christianity should be all about being Christ like, or at least striving to be Christ like. Christ was an innovator who sought change and social justice, equality and freedom from the social constraints of the time. Pretty much completely the opposite of conservatism today.
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Voltaire2

(12,941 posts)
1. Well oddly enough a religion that developed
Sun Sep 2, 2018, 10:05 AM
Sep 2018

Within a vast slave economy says nothing agai st the condition of slavery, and becomes instead a pillar of the system in the late Roman Empire, and in the feudal systems of servitude that replaced that system. Right down to the present day Christian theology is strongly linked to preserving the established order, to conservatism. It is and has been for the last 1800 years or so, in general, a deeply conservative religion.

 

braddy

(3,585 posts)
2. Christians do that in their private lives, governments are not individuals. Christ didn't seek out
Sun Sep 2, 2018, 10:40 AM
Sep 2018

Caesar, that is one reason Christians know that governments destroy Christian charity and fight the worship of Christ and the Bible, they are not the source of it, so they vote to restrain and limit government and strive to live the Bible in their private lives and in their community, on their own, not by sending taxes to Caeser and his fat cats and bureaucrats.


MineralMan

(146,248 posts)
3. The actual words attributed to Jesus have little to do with organized religion.
Sun Sep 2, 2018, 10:50 AM
Sep 2018

That is particularly true of the Roman Catholic Church organization. It has other priorities which take precedence. So, your meme is shockingly accurate. Judge churches and their organizations by their actions. Comparing them to what Jesus was suppose to have said will never lead to an understanding of their priorities.

Pope George Ringo II

(1,896 posts)
4. Admittedly, the Jesus character is a little more consistent than the Jehovah Monster, but still...
Sun Sep 2, 2018, 11:47 AM
Sep 2018

Torture?
Racism?
Hate your family?
Assaulting fig trees?
Mutilate yourself to avoid hell?

Never mind slaughtering pigs, or all the Grade A crazy crap in Revelations. This is a guy who refused to wash his hands before eating.

uriel1972

(4,261 posts)
5. and sent a swarm of demons into a pig herd (is it a herd of pigs? I dunno)
Sun Sep 2, 2018, 03:54 PM
Sep 2018

and drove them off a cliff. Not exactly A grade compassion for the animals.

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