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brooklynite

(94,502 posts)
Tue Jun 11, 2019, 10:03 AM Jun 2019

Her Evangelical Megachurch Was Her World. Then Her Daughter Said She Was Molested by a Minister.

New York Times

Christi Bragg listened in disbelief. It was a Sunday in February, and her popular evangelical pastor, Matt Chandler, was preaching on the evil of leaders who sexually abuse those they are called to protect. But at the Village Church, he assured his listeners, victims of assault would be heard, and healed: “We see you.”

Ms. Bragg nearly vomited. She stood up and walked out.

Exactly one year before that day, on Feb. 17, 2018, Ms. Bragg and her husband, Matt, reported to the Village that their daughter, at about age 11, had been sexually abused at the church’s summer camp for children.

Since then, Matthew Tonne, who was the church’s associate children’s minister, had been investigated by the police, indicted and arrested on charges of sexually molesting Ms. Bragg’s daughter.


god is always in a forgiving mood...
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Her Evangelical Megachurch Was Her World. Then Her Daughter Said She Was Molested by a Minister. (Original Post) brooklynite Jun 2019 OP
She's still going to the same church? blueinredohio Jun 2019 #1
Why the hell rownesheck Jun 2019 #2
Rape children, cover up the crime, protect church assets from lawsuits, shield perpetrators Major Nikon Jun 2019 #3
What evidence they tried to cover up the crime? exboyfil Jun 2019 #5
Well, for one... Major Nikon Jun 2019 #6
Their biggest complaint seemed to be exboyfil Jun 2019 #4
That same youth minister had access to hundreds of children Major Nikon Jun 2019 #7
Is that standard procedure on an accusation? exboyfil Jun 2019 #8
I'm sure it is standard procedure for the SBC, that's the whole point Major Nikon Jun 2019 #9
What kind of church makes you sign an arbitration agreement as a condition of membership? The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2019 #10
Such a typical story. MineralMan Jun 2019 #11

rownesheck

(2,343 posts)
2. Why the hell
Tue Jun 11, 2019, 10:24 AM
Jun 2019

were they still attending that church?! Their daughter had told them she was molested at the summer camp operated by the church!!! What is wrong with these people?! Their poor daughter. If you feel like you have to attend a religious service, at least pick another church! Jeez!

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
3. Rape children, cover up the crime, protect church assets from lawsuits, shield perpetrators
Tue Jun 11, 2019, 10:36 AM
Jun 2019

Meanwhile child rape apologists keep telling us this is just "human behavior", and religion is in no way culpable for creating a child rape culture where epidemics of molestation grow unchecked by secular accountability.

Meanwhile unsuspecting parents keep providing religious organizations with a fresh supply of victims, deluded into believing church organizations are immune from evil and their religious leaders actually care about their well being more than their money. Those same apologists are working overtime to convince everyone that religious organizations should somehow be exempted from child rape protection laws that govern other organizations that deal with children.

Yep, kinda funny how those apologists see so much evil with atheists, but can't even manage to see it in their own mirror.

exboyfil

(17,862 posts)
5. What evidence they tried to cover up the crime?
Tue Jun 11, 2019, 10:51 AM
Jun 2019

They also contacted the police (granted they may not have if the family hadn't reported first).

exboyfil

(17,862 posts)
4. Their biggest complaint seemed to be
Tue Jun 11, 2019, 10:49 AM
Jun 2019

that the accused was not named in public by the church prior to formal charges being filed. Actually I think that is prudent.

They fired him for an unrelated matter (alcoholism) because they could probably objectively prove that. That took immediate action to remove him from access to children (unless there are prior accusations that were not followed up on - nothing about that appeared in this story).

I am not sure I see much wrong the church did. Maybe they didn't properly vet the employee. That is what a civil trial might demonstrate. This is a far cry from moving the accused around while trying to suppress the accusations.

I wonder how this would have played out without the initial police report from the family. That was a very wise decision on their part and something that should happen in all of these cases.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
7. That same youth minister had access to hundreds of children
Tue Jun 11, 2019, 11:09 AM
Jun 2019

...but you think it's "prudent" not to mention his name to their parents?

Wow, just wow.

exboyfil

(17,862 posts)
8. Is that standard procedure on an accusation?
Tue Jun 11, 2019, 11:21 AM
Jun 2019

Shouldn't that be part of the police investigation. How do you avoid a potential defamation lawsuit if the initial accusation is false? The police should ask for a list of all children that have been around this individual, and the police then go and question those families.

Maybe I am misunderstanding the process. Here is a recent story about a public school teacher. Did the school district inform the parents prior to charges being filed? Should they have?

https://whotv.com/2019/05/31/des-moines-teacher-arrested-for-alleged-sexual-abuse-of-teen-at-school-where-she-taught/

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
9. I'm sure it is standard procedure for the SBC, that's the whole point
Tue Jun 11, 2019, 11:34 AM
Jun 2019

The answer to your first question is to make use of the team of lawyers they already have on retainer. The idea that you can't even mention to the congregation that an employee of the organization is under investigation for child rape is ludicrous.

As far as your other questions go, they are not in any way, shape, or form a defense of the church's behavior and look more like...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,674 posts)
10. What kind of church makes you sign an arbitration agreement as a condition of membership?
Tue Jun 11, 2019, 12:06 PM
Jun 2019

That's all sorts of fucked up. "Jesus loves you only if you promise not to sue us."

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