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Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
Tue Oct 22, 2019, 07:57 PM Oct 2019

Anti-Semitism didn't begin with Luther...

But he certainly made it a mainstream Christian endeavor. It’s fair to say anti-Semitism and the Christian reformation were hand in hand from the very beginning. Kinda makes you wonder if anti-Semitism would even be a thing today were it not for his hatred.

On the Jews and Their Lies (German: Von den Jüden und iren Lügen; in modern spelling Von den Juden und ihren Lügen) is a 65,000-word anti-Judaic treatise written in 1543 by the German Reformation leader Martin Luther (1483-1546).

Luther's attitude toward the Jews took different forms during his lifetime. In his earlier period, until 1537 or not much earlier, he wanted to convert Jews to Lutheranism (Protestant Christianity), but failed. In his later period when he wrote this particular treatise, he denounced them and urged their persecution.[1]

In the treatise, he argues that Jewish synagogues and schools be set on fire, their prayer books destroyed, rabbis forbidden to preach, homes burned, and property and money confiscated. They should be shown no mercy or kindness,[2] afforded no legal protection,[3] and "these poisonous envenomed worms" should be drafted into forced labor or expelled for all time.[4] He also seems to advocate their murder, writing "[W]e are at fault in not slaying them".[5]

The book may have had an impact on creating antisemitic Germanic thought through the middle ages.[6] During World War II, copies of the book were held up by Nazis at rallies, and the prevailing scholarly consensus is that it had a significant impact on the Holocaust.[7] Since then, the book has been denounced by many Lutheran churches.[8]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_the_Jews_and_Their_Lies
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Anti-Semitism didn't begin with Luther... (Original Post) Major Nikon Oct 2019 OP
Ya learn something every day....... I did not know that about Martn Luther mitch96 Oct 2019 #1
Anti-Semitism Has its roots in the RCC Major Nikon Oct 2019 #2
"Nazi Germany most certainly propagated Luther's anti-Semitism" mitch96 Oct 2019 #5
It's not something that is much discussed by Lutherans. MineralMan Oct 2019 #3
" they find it "inconvenient."" mitch96 Oct 2019 #4
Yes, pretty much. MineralMan Oct 2019 #6
" What other things did Martin Luther teach that should be discredited? " mitch96 Oct 2019 #7

mitch96

(13,895 posts)
1. Ya learn something every day....... I did not know that about Martn Luther
Tue Oct 22, 2019, 10:54 PM
Oct 2019

I thought he just did not like the pope and rome... Now it makes sense about the jewish hatred in Germany. I'm curious if they preached this in church? If you get the kids early enough they will believe anything.. aka the hitler youth..
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Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
2. Anti-Semitism Has its roots in the RCC
Tue Oct 22, 2019, 11:26 PM
Oct 2019

It just really took off with the Reformation thanks to Luther. The RCC had a long history of persecuting all other religions anyway.

Nazi Germany most certainly propagated Luther’s anti-Semitism. It’s just interesting to consider what would have happened to that sort of hate had not so many Christians promoted it for so long.

mitch96

(13,895 posts)
5. "Nazi Germany most certainly propagated Luther's anti-Semitism"
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 12:47 PM
Oct 2019

It seems a way to fold the Nazi anti-semitism into the religious people in Germany..
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MineralMan

(146,288 posts)
3. It's not something that is much discussed by Lutherans.
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 09:46 AM
Oct 2019

In face, most lay Lutherans are not aware of that publication by Martin Luther. When told about it, they find it "inconvenient."

MineralMan

(146,288 posts)
6. Yes, pretty much.
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 12:50 PM
Oct 2019

Luther's book is an embarrassment for most Lutherans, who are not bigoted against Jews. Luther still wrote it, though, and it reflects his thinking at the time. Hitler loved that book.

Many people like to think that their religion is timeless and beneficent. The historical reality often tells a different story.

So, if you want to hear backpedaling and diversion, ask a Lutheran pastor about that book by Martin Luther. You'll get an explanation, but it's typically a very weak one - one learned at the seminary.

Still, Martin Luther did write those things. They are discredited now. What other things did Martin Luther teach that should be discredited? That's the next question to ask if you're asking questions. They don't teach that answer in the seminary.

mitch96

(13,895 posts)
7. " What other things did Martin Luther teach that should be discredited? "
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 12:59 PM
Oct 2019

Pick and choose, pick and choose. What ever pushes the agenda is what you pick.
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