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Thu Jan 16, 2020, 08:00 AM

You know how you know they are not real Christians (well one of the reasons)?

I mean all of their nasty would support a position that they are remarkably un-Christ like, however there is one thing that Christ demands of his followers that the religious right wing consistently fail to follow properly – and that is the imperative to spread the Gospel and convert as many souls to the cross as is possible. You know why? I cannot see how it is possible to follow that main directive and support the death penalty. It is not possible. You cannot convert someone who is dead. So, every time they cheer someone being murdered by the state or protest the idea of the death penalty being suspended/banned, they are sending souls to hell unnecessarily, in contravention to the actual main point of being 'born again'.

I think Christ would think that a really big sin… Heh.

They think themselves as Christs representatives on earth … nothing could be further from the truth,
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Reply You know how you know they are not real Christians (well one of the reasons)? (Original post)
Soph0571 Jan 2020 OP
braddy Jan 2020 #1
Soph0571 Jan 2020 #2
braddy Jan 2020 #3
Soph0571 Jan 2020 #5
braddy Jan 2020 #6
Voltaire2 Jan 2020 #8
braddy Jan 2020 #10
Voltaire2 Jan 2020 #11
braddy Jan 2020 #12
Voltaire2 Jan 2020 #15
braddy Jan 2020 #17
Voltaire2 Jan 2020 #18
braddy Jan 2020 #19
Voltaire2 Jan 2020 #20
Cartoonist Jan 2020 #23
rurallib Jan 2020 #4
edhopper Jan 2020 #7
Voltaire2 Jan 2020 #9
braddy Jan 2020 #13
Voltaire2 Jan 2020 #14
trotsky Jan 2020 #21
braddy Jan 2020 #22
Voltaire2 Jan 2020 #24
braddy Jan 2020 #25
trotsky Jan 2020 #28
braddy Jan 2020 #29
trotsky Jan 2020 #35
braddy Jan 2020 #36
trotsky Jan 2020 #37
Act_of_Reparation Jan 2020 #39
trotsky Jan 2020 #40
Cartoonist Jan 2020 #16
napi21 Jan 2020 #26
keithbvadu2 Jan 2020 #27
braddy Jan 2020 #30
keithbvadu2 Jan 2020 #31
braddy Jan 2020 #32
keithbvadu2 Jan 2020 #33
braddy Jan 2020 #34
Act_of_Reparation Jan 2020 #38

Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Thu Jan 16, 2020, 08:24 AM

1. Our government using the death penalty is not murder, and it is biblical.

 

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Response to braddy (Reply #1)

Thu Jan 16, 2020, 08:41 AM

2. It is state sanctioned murder

And the day of pentecost changed everything...
If you are a christian your only goal should be to convert lost souls. I repeat you cannot do that if someone is dead.

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Response to Soph0571 (Reply #2)

Thu Jan 16, 2020, 08:49 AM

3. The death penalty is a lawful government function, Christians are not performing it individually.

 

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Response to braddy (Reply #3)

Thu Jan 16, 2020, 09:00 AM

5. The death penalty is barbaric, vengeful and has no place in a civilised society...

...the religious rights vocal support for the death penalty is at direct contradiction with the core of the Christian faith

Mark 16:15
15 He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation.''

Matthew 28:19-20
19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptising them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, ''

Matthew 10: 7-8
7 As you go, proclaim this message: ‘The kingdom of heaven has come near.’ 8 Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse those who have leprosy, drive out demons. Freely you have received; freely give.''

Firstly one of that suggests hang em high, secondly not sure how you do any of that if they are dead.

And as Christ said

“Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgement you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you” (Matthew 7:1–2).

SO even if you think the death penalty is not ridiculous in the 21st Century, Christians should not be anywhere near it. Real Christians that is.

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Response to Soph0571 (Reply #5)

Thu Jan 16, 2020, 09:09 AM

6. Your argument is with government, not with an individual Christian who isn't executing anyone.

 

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Response to braddy (Reply #3)

Thu Jan 16, 2020, 11:56 AM

8. auschwitz was a 'lawful government function'.

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Response to Voltaire2 (Reply #8)

Thu Jan 16, 2020, 12:39 PM

10. It was murder according to the bible, not legal capitol punishment.

 

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Response to braddy (Reply #10)

Thu Jan 16, 2020, 12:48 PM

11. the bible has several examples of god sanctioning the wholesale slaughter of other tribes.

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Response to Voltaire2 (Reply #11)

Thu Jan 16, 2020, 12:58 PM

12. Here is an article that clears some of this up.

 

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Response to braddy (Reply #12)

Thu Jan 16, 2020, 01:16 PM

15. See Numbers 31

Here I'll help you out:


15 And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive?

16 Behold, these caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to commit trespass against the Lord in the matter of Peor, and there was a plague among the congregation of the Lord.

17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.

18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.



After killing all the men and capturing everyone else, all the male children and non-virginal women were slaughtered, the remaining women and children were enslaved. All as commanded by your god(s).

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Response to Voltaire2 (Reply #15)

Thu Jan 16, 2020, 01:45 PM

17. Ask a Rabbi about Jews and God before the Christ.

 

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Response to braddy (Reply #17)

Thu Jan 16, 2020, 01:51 PM

18. lulzd. Of course, that was some other gods.

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Response to Voltaire2 (Reply #18)

Thu Jan 16, 2020, 01:52 PM

19. Wow.

 

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Response to braddy (Reply #19)

Thu Jan 16, 2020, 01:55 PM

20. You wrote: "It was murder according to the bible, not legal capitol punishment."

with respect to auschwitz. I pointed out that this bible has your gods not just approving, but ordering genocide. You then said "go talk to a rabbi". So yeah, wow.

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Response to braddy (Reply #17)

Thu Jan 16, 2020, 05:25 PM

23. I am not a Rabbi

But let me take a stab at it.
When Jesus died for our sins, that included his old man. He has been forgiven. Hallelujah!

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Thu Jan 16, 2020, 08:50 AM

4. and I guessed it was the one about selling your possessions and giving the

money to the poor

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Thu Jan 16, 2020, 10:52 AM

7. I agree with your opinion of the death penalty

But Christians have been putting people to death as long as there has been Christians.
And American, the most Christian Western country is the only one with the death penalty.
And in America, the more Christian the State, the more likely they still execute people.
So the evidence is this is very Christian.

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Thu Jan 16, 2020, 11:57 AM

9. a 'real' christian is anyone who describes themselves as a christian.

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Response to Voltaire2 (Reply #9)

Thu Jan 16, 2020, 01:02 PM

13. A real Christian is one who believes and believes in Christ. God decides who is Christian, it isn't

 

just someone claiming it.

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Response to braddy (Reply #13)

Thu Jan 16, 2020, 01:10 PM

14. So you have like a direct connection or something?

How do you know your god approves of your version of christianity?

And how do you know that other person over there who you think is a false christian doesn't also have the same belief that his god approves his version?

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Response to braddy (Reply #13)

Thu Jan 16, 2020, 04:48 PM

21. Maybe god will decide you aren't a Christian, and Mike Pence is?

Do you know for sure?

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Response to trotsky (Reply #21)

Thu Jan 16, 2020, 05:13 PM

22. Only God knows for sure who will go to heaven as true believers in Christ.

 

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Response to braddy (Reply #22)

Thu Jan 16, 2020, 07:17 PM

24. ah so you agree then that there is no way for mere mortals to separate

the real christians from the fake ones.

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Response to Voltaire2 (Reply #24)

Thu Jan 16, 2020, 07:24 PM

25. Brothers and sisters in Christ can largely tell their own, and supporting the death penalty is

 

not an indicator that one is not a Christian.

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Response to braddy (Reply #25)

Fri Jan 17, 2020, 09:42 AM

28. Wow, judge much?

I thought you weren't supposed to do that.

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Response to trotsky (Reply #28)

Fri Jan 17, 2020, 10:32 AM

29. There was no judgement in my post, but yours does seem to be pure judgement of something

 

that you don't describe but seem very upset about.

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Response to braddy (Reply #29)

Fri Jan 17, 2020, 12:32 PM

35. I have a problem when believers claim to know what their god thinks.

A fuckton of atrocities arise from that kind of certainty. But if you want to get mad at me for pointing out you are judging others, go right ahead.

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Response to trotsky (Reply #35)

Fri Jan 17, 2020, 12:37 PM

36. I can't make any sense from your claims, it was a simple post.

 

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Response to braddy (Reply #36)

Fri Jan 17, 2020, 01:49 PM

37. You said people who support the death penalty can't be Christians.

You've judged millions of Christians to be false ones.

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Response to trotsky (Reply #37)

Fri Jan 17, 2020, 02:22 PM

39. All Christians are hooked up with Other-Christian Detectors...

...so they can tell the real ones from the fake ones. That's just what I heard, anyway.

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Response to Act_of_Reparation (Reply #39)

Fri Jan 17, 2020, 04:02 PM

40. And that's NOT judging, so stop saying that!

LOL, I know the drill all too well.

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Thu Jan 16, 2020, 01:29 PM

16. A real Christian

A real Christian must be gullible. They must find other gullible people and get them to believe the same stuff. Each Christian is endowed with the ability to detect fake Christians.

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Thu Jan 16, 2020, 07:44 PM

26. There's one other order all Christians are given. "Be kind to others as you would like them to be

kind to you." There are a few people who practice that, but VERY FEW!

The last ones I remember were the parishioners in that Black Church where the young fellow when into their Church and they invited him to pray with them, then he shot quite a few of them. South Carolina I think. When the survivors were interviewed they all said they're praying for him. NONE said they hated him or condemned him to hell.

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Thu Jan 16, 2020, 09:56 PM

27. Proselytize, witness, convert - by example.

Proselytize, witness, convert - by example.

Many Catholics/Protestants believe that the others are not true Christians.

Billy and Franklin Graham say that Catholics are not Christians.

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Response to keithbvadu2 (Reply #27)

Fri Jan 17, 2020, 10:39 AM

30. In what writings did Billy and Franklin Graham say that Catholics are not Christians?

 

I never saw anything saying that and Wiki says this.

"Graham's evangelism was appreciated by mainline Protestant and Roman Catholic denominations because he encouraged new converts to become members of these churches."

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Response to braddy (Reply #30)

Fri Jan 17, 2020, 11:33 AM

31. According to them, Catholics are not Christians either.

Franklin (and Billy) Graham say Mormons are not Christians

According to them, Catholics are not Christians either.

https://billygraham.org/decision-magazine/october-2012/can-an-evangelical-christian-vote-for-a-mormon/

"We need something like what Jerry Falwell did in the 1980s. We need a “moral majority”-made up of Christians, Jews, Mormons, Catholics and many others of faith-to come together to take a stand for our religious freedoms and rights."

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Response to keithbvadu2 (Reply #31)

Fri Jan 17, 2020, 11:42 AM

32. So where have the Grahams said that the Catholic denomination is not Christian? (they haven't)

 

As far as Mormonism, it isn't a Christian denomination, it is a new religion created by Joseph Smith, with 'The Book of Mormon" as their true holy book.

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Response to braddy (Reply #32)

Fri Jan 17, 2020, 11:49 AM

33. Sorry. All I have are their own words.

Sorry. All I have are their own words.

In the English/english language.

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Response to keithbvadu2 (Reply #33)

Fri Jan 17, 2020, 12:10 PM

34. I'm asking for those words, where do they say the Catholic denomination is not Christian? Show

 

me those quotes, your link didn't mention it at all.

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Fri Jan 17, 2020, 02:19 PM

38. This calls for a...

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