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talking about people who actually "Get on the bus", when they are claiming to be Christians.
I read a few topics here, selectively, and a few posters, you among them, seem to be quite defensive, and aim your posts at "schooling" us on topics most of us studied in church school somewhere back when someone sent us to a Christian church.
Let me be more blunt: I'm more interested in how people who call themselves Christians are hanging themselves out there on the cross for American justice. I don't see this here, I see a lot of defensiveness of a comfort in position, comfort in proclamation of faith in a trinity, proclamation of denial of science's ever advancing encroachment upon territory once considered sacrosanct and immune for question, E. G. beginnings of the Universe, evolution of human compassion before modern theological doctrine, (i.e. "Catholic"
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And, I'm sorry, you misinterpreted, or I mis-stated what was evident here, (other than massive examples of defensiveness of Christianity), YOU stated"
"I would love for you to point out one "christian denier of rights" posting in this group.
I was talking about people who post here about "Christian deniers of rights" .....there's thousands of examples every week in the press, and people here post about them, and the response is a kind of "oh that's someone else, not us!" I believe some people call that the "no true Scotsman" defense of their religion, a defense that makes as little sense as does one Scotts valley being different from another, somehow to London, it might have made a difference back in 1644, but modern Scotspeople, they know there's no difference, all of them speak with about the same brogue. All of them condemn the next clan over, not part of their own, and all of them know that they are about the same, deep down, but will never admit it.
Okay, my question to you, what is a "true Christian"? Do any "true Christians" actually ride at the front of the bus here? Do any "true Christians" here actually get out and fight the other Christians who are so numerous, rich, and powerful in America today? Did anyone of the true Christians see how many millions of dollars a year some of these "Christian denier of rights" take in with his/her con game, all based upon that 2000 year old book you and they all proclaim (like a carnival barker might) is the word of God?
Now the basic question, to you and your fellow sincere Christian progressives here, whom I respect, but wonder about, I really wonder about. Here's the question: if the same system of thinking about the supernatural, the magic life of Christ, the creation, the creator can get these charlatans such fame and fortune, denying rights, letting people deny a marriage based upon such a silly thing as skin color, or sexual orientation, if that can happen under the teachings of Christianity... then
WHY is Christianity any different from any other fraud scheme that can suck in unsuspecting, innocent folks who don't have the capacity to figure out logic from myth? And why bother defending that, when giving it up allows so much more freedom to think and create and act non-defensively?
In essence, here is the bottom line, do people of the Christian faith want to march on the Selma of 60 years ago or on the Wall Street of today? Are priests and Rabbi's and ministers getting arrested now, or are they too comfortable preaching about people getting arrested? Hasn't Selma moved to Wall Street? Where are the Father Berrigans who came five years after MLK? I don't see any Christian leaders out there these days, but I see a lot of preaching and "schooling" like I see here in your response to me.
Bottom line: if one's faith in some supernatural force is really that sincere and that strong, shouldn't one be out there putting their life on the line, trusting in their supernatural lord? Me, I'm not one of those who believe in the supernatural, and prefer rational discourse, but find it hard to find here, amongst the few believers who are so willing to teach us another thing or two about their beliefs, but never get out there and actually show how much their beliefs make them act differently, make them take risks, make them like their Christ figure, moving mankind forward, as they claim he taught us to do.
