If Jesus was married what does that do to the Catholic's celibacy requirement?

[LiberalFighter]

Will the Catholics and Christian religions excise the writings of Paul? Wasn't the celibacy edict based on Paul's writings?

[cbayer]

1. Celibacy was based on property rights, imo, and has nothing to do with Jesus.

[cleanhippie]

3. "Celibacy was based on property rights". Can you elaborate on that, please?

[Angry Dragon]

9. see post #7

[yellerpup]

14. I'd go a step farther and say "Celibacy

was based on the inheritance laws of kings." The celibacy 'clause' came in because the kingdoms of Europe were being fought over by the (multiple) survivors of kings. Instead of the young princes fighting each other after the kings death over who would take his throne (and carving up the kingdom into smaller and smaller pieces), the church intervened with a nifty plan to concentrate all the wealth in ONE survivor and make the other would-be heirs irrelevant. The most important element of this rule was that the sons/daughters of these prince-and-princesses were not recognized as royalty and therefore could not inherit. That helped keep more wars from breaking out and keep kingdoms intact. Priests, of course, did have affairs, etc., but those children were never acknowledged. The original meaning of the word "niece" was the illegitimate girl child of a priest. I can find no spiritual justification for celibacy; it's just a way to consolidate wealth.

[okasha]

18. I think you're confusing celibacy and primogenture.

Male primogeniture, of course.

The Roman Catholic Church, as opposed to the Celtic, Orthodox and other branches, mandated priestly celibacy only toward the end of the 11th century. Up until that time, it had been common for priests--and in some areas both monks and nuns--to marry and to inherit and pass on secular properties and offices. They also passed on their church offices, which took appointments out of the hands of the hierarchy. It was to concentrate the power of appointment and property rights in the bishops that celibacy was officially demanded.

[LiberalFighter]

4. Oh you mean the "Pope" wanted all property of the priests to be handed over to the Pope?

[cbayer]

5. More or less. Inheritance was a sticky wicket.

[Teamster Jeff]

7. Clergy used to get married and when they died...

their property would be passed on to their wives. So in order to retain the property church ruled that priests can not marry. Bill Press was talking about this on his radio show this AM.

[JustAnotherGen]

2. Probably nothing

JC's life wasn't really what they based the framework of Catholocism on anyways.

[cloudbase]

6. Nothing will happen.

The CEO is infallible, you know.

[Angry Dragon]

8. only since 1870

[rug]

10. Celibacy is purely a disciplinary rule.

It can be changed at any time.

A "married Jesus" would have theological implications.

This is purely speculative. What prompted this, the recently found fragment?

[left on green only]

11. As far as the celibacy thing goes...........

.....I take my que from a song written by Richard Shindell that is titled "The Ballad Of Mary Magdalene"

My name is Mary Magdalene
I come from Palestine
Please excuse these rags I'm in
I've fallen on hard times

But long ago I had my work
When I was in my prime
But I gave it up, and all for love
Twas his career or mine

Yessseree, Red Book girls rock and the 'J' man knew a good thing.

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[VWolf]

12. It screws it? n/t

[moobu2]

13. Nothing.

The Catholic power structure would never admit to something like that even if it were true.

[ButterflyBlood]

15. Paul never explicitly said all clergy had to be celibate

He did make references to it being a "higher calling" and that those seeking it should be free of wordly distractions and whatnot, but clearly most churches don't interpret that as requiring celibacy. Technically not even the Catholic church does, as married Catholic priests are possible under some circumstances (such as a married priest from another denomination converting) and some Eastern Catholic churches in full communion with the Pope do not require celibacy. Nor has the church ever justified its position on the basis of Jesus supposedly being unmarried. So really it means nothing as far as that goes. Assuming a church would change anything based on a writing that came out 300 years after Jesus and over 200 years after the authoring of the New Testament.

[Marrah_G]

16. The celibacy thing has to do with inheritances

It never did have anything to do with Jesus

[dimbear]

17. Pope Pius IV had two of Pope Paul IV's "nephews" executed.

That might have put some teeth into the requirement.