Dad used Bible to justify sex with daughter

[cleanhippie]

Pretoria - An Mpumalanga father has been sentenced to life in prison without the option of parole for raping his daughter from the age of 13 and conceiving three children with her.

Andries Sibiya even went so far as to pay his wife lobola to be able to live with his daughter as his wife, reported Beeld.

He used the Bible and selected pieces of the Old Testament to justify his actions and to intimidate his daughter and wife into submission, said the regional magistrate in sentencing.

Sibiya was known as the wheelchair rapist as he insisted on appearing in court in a wheelchair, even though he was able to walk.

Sibiya was described by the court as a domineering person who manipulated his family and instilled fear in them and over a period of 9 years had sex with his daughter two to three times a week.

He was found guilty on 9 charges of rape but could have been found guilty of hundreds of charges of rapes, said the magistrate.

http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/Dad-used-Bible-to-justify-sex-with-daughter-20120919

Well, it IS in the bible, the infallible word of god...

[immoderate]

1. Correct MIIW, I know you can sell your daughter, or stone your daughter...

But the bible says you can have sex with them, I haven't heard that.

--imm

[orpupilofnature57]

5. A Lot of add-ons and deletions .

[Agnosticsherbet]

2. Zeus turned into a goose and raped a woman...

He tuned into a shower of gold and raped another.
Mythological stories are full of crap like that.

Apparently, he was a Christian and not a ancient Greek.

But mythology is mythology.

[orpupilofnature57]

3. First Lots daughters got him drunk and jumped him

Second Where in the history of our civilization did a daughter ever rape her father? One instance, One ? The misanthrope should give his wheelchair away and crawl.

[struggle4progress]

4. So (1) he's a manipulative fellow and (2) he's been sent away

[cleanhippie]

6. Your point?

Maybe he should have been a catholic priest instead?

[struggle4progress]

10. My point: (1) he's a manipulative fellow and (2) he's been sent away

If he thought his neighbors would believe the tea leaves told him to do it, he would have read messages from tea leaves to them; if he thought his neighbors would believe he had to do this because of the warranty on his refrigerator, he would have carefully explained some crazy-ass interpretation of the warranty on his refrigerator to them all

He picked an easily manipulated woman as his wife because he likes to manipulate people, so she went along with his bull

It seems the larger society decided not to go along with his bull and sent him away

If he thinks his cellmates will believe the cockroaches are telling him what to do, he'll be passing along messages from the cockroaches to them all

[trotsky]

11. Can you read minds? Are you omniscient?

How can you possibly claim to know what this asshole would or would not have believed or done?

[struggle4progress]

12. Yes, Trotsky, I rigged some tin-cans to wires and attached them to strategic points

around my environs, thus enabling me to read the minds of assholes everywhere, whenever I get the urge!

The bad news is that reading the minds of assholes is a very easy skill to learn, but it is not actually very enjoyable or productive, and (worse!) the skill is much easier to learn than to unlearn, so now I frequently have to exert a major effort to keep various assholes' thoughts from intruding into my consciousness

[orpupilofnature57]

16. Teach me that please!!!

[trotsky]

17. So no, you can't.

But you pretend you can when it will help you try to make a point.

Thanks for the clarification!

[struggle4progress]

22. You can be Hui Tzu, and I'll be Chuang-Tzu!

chuang tzu and hui tzu
walk beside the hao river dam

chuang tzu:
see the little fish
how they enjoy darting about!

hui tzu:
you not being a fish
how could you know what the fish enjoy?

chuang tzu:
you not being me
how could you know i don't know what the fish enjoy?

hui tzu:
i not being you
cannot know what you know
just as you not being a fish
cannot know what the fish enjoy!

chuang tzu:
when you asked
how i could know what the fish enjoy
you already knew I knew
i know because i am here
beside the hao river dam

[trotsky]

23. If you can read minds,

then you'll know what I think about your attempt at diversion.

[rug]

33. Lol!

[orpupilofnature57]

15. Where there's the will, theres a way. I agree

[Warren DeMontague]

31. You left out (3)

(3) being, there is a veritable gold-mine of incoherent, morally ambiguous, and contradictory gibberish in The Bible.

[struggle4progress]

32. 75% of S Africa is Christian: that didn't keep them from putting him away

[trotsky]

34. It's all about what you want to pick and choose are the parts to be taken literally.

They (thankfully) picked different parts than he did.

Plenty of Christians act like pompous, arrogant, insulting assholes yet consider themselves to be paragons of progressivism and tolerance. They ignore the bits where Jesus said to love your enemies, act humbly, turn the other cheek, and all that jazz. Naw, not when there are people to mock or insult!

[Warren DeMontague]

35. Factual statement, that has nothing to do with what I wrote.

Thanks.

[rug]

7. I have a question.

Do you actually think these stories serve as an indictment of religion in general, and Christianity in particular?

You're examining a cancer cell to describe an organism.

[ToxMarz]

8. Cancer vs Christianity

People don't live their lives, and try to compel others to as well, based on various versions/perversion of cancer cells. Cancer is not a choice open to interpretation.

[rug]

9. Pathology vs Taxonomy

You don't use disease to describe an organism or a species.

And if you think these rapes are the product of scriptural interpretation, I suggest you study pathology first.

[cleanhippie]

13. No, not an indictment of all relgion. But it shows that humans do horribly human things...

even when they believe. It is an overwhelming meme that being a (insert religion here, but in this country it is most definitely christian) somehow makes one a better, more honest, caring, and ethical person. It's the default position of assumption. And its bullshit. And I suppose I will keep posting these until one's belief, or lack of it, is used as a measure of one's character.

[orpupilofnature57]

14. I'm a Christian, Hitler was a Christian

Some of the best people I know are atheists, my wife included and ethics, altruism and honesty have nothing to do with religion.

[kwassa]

36. Stalin was an atheist, Mao was an atheist ....

some of the best people I know are atheists, or at least agnostic.

and, altruism and honesty can have a great deal to do with religion. But not always. For many Christians, it is the source of their altruism and honesty.

[orpupilofnature57]

37. I attribute any goodness in me to Christianity.....

learning Forgiveness is for me, not the person I'm forgiving, Judge not in the hope of being forgiven, loving your enemies doesn't mean you succumb to them, it means you show kind to their ignorance when you beat them, like republicans loving them isn't hard and agreeing with them will remain impossible.

[orpupilofnature57]

38. And for many license to ridicule, Judge, and condemn

speak for God and never listen or see.

[rug]

18. You're missing something.

When I go to church I see a roomful of human, impefect, and often humbled people. That's why they're there and that's why the building is there.

I suppose you can choose to say Christians are the epitome of the boastful Pharisee. If you run into them, you can either stay with them and hurl your anger at them, or, move on and see what it's really about. Personally, I don't like wasting time with hypocrites and assholes.

Matthew 9 is the heart of it.

10 While Jesus was having dinner at Matthew’s house, many tax collectors and sinners came and ate with him and his disciples. 11 When the Pharisees saw this, they asked his disciples, “Why does your teacher eat with tax collectors and sinners?”

12 On hearing this, Jesus said, “It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. 13 But go and learn what this means: ‘I desire mercy, not sacrifice.’ For I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners.”

[cleanhippie]

19. Funny, everywhere I go I see a roomful of human, impefect, and often humbled people.

My point, rug, is that in this society, being a believer somehow gets one the assumption that they are a more compassionate, caring, and ethical human than someone who does not believe the same thing or does not believe at all. These stories serve to show that that is in fact, simply not the case. And until we all stop making that assumption, these stories will continue to be held up to the light of day.

A level playing field is all that is being asked for. Why should people need to fight so hard just to get a fair shake?

[rug]

20. It's not a universal assumption at all.

I have ever made that assumption and, frankly, I don't know many that do.

Nor do I make the asumption that atheists are rational, skeptical, logical, progressive and correct. It all depends on who and what you're talking about.

Generally, I agree with you that everyone should have a level playing field but, not to fall into the republican trap, many people need a boost to get onto the field in the first place.

In any event, I would not make any assumptions, or extrapolations, based on this or any other rapist.

[Starboard Tack]

24. I wonder if your dumpster diving posts are a measure of your character.

You appear to be extremely agile at connecting unrelated dots. Do you think all dogs should be blamed for the crimes of David Berkowitz?

[cleanhippie]

27. I wonder if your passive-aggressive posts are a measure of your character.

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[dmallind]

21. So why do you post the same atheist stories about one incident of sexism over and over again?

Do you actually think these stories serve as an indictment of atheism in general, and organized athism in particular?

[rug]

29. If you're paying attention you'll see they're different.

Which is usually the case when you shed stereotypical thinking.

Some things these organizations do are quite stupid (which is not indictable), some commendable, always fascinating.

[bluerum]

28. The bible has something for everyone in it.

Even twisted rapist daughter fucking psychopaths can get some mileage out of it.

[skor584_2il]

30. sick man

lock him up for life