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Related: About this forumNew Jersey Catholic Church lobbies to keep sex abuse victims silent.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/06/13/1215940/-New-Jersey-Catholic-Church-lobbies-to-keep-victims-of-abuse-silentOver at Kos........
"Protect the child molesters" doesn't appear anywhere in the Bible that I know of, but the New Jersey Catholic Conference seems to be acting like it does, hiring the most expensive and powerful lobbying firm in Trenton, Princeton Public Affairs, to fight against Vitale's bill.
This isn't a New Jersey-specific issue. The Catholic Church has been active in pushing back proposals that lengthen the time allowed for victims of alleged abuse to come forward. And in addition to New Jersey, high-priced lobbyists have been hired in Colorado and New York to fight similar attempts.
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Maybe 30 years is too long, but 2 years is certainly too short, IMHO.
Swede Atlanta
(3,596 posts)(1) Mandating celibacy means that men (and of course only men) in the priesthood can only wank their wieners and of course only in shame. Sexuality is a natural part of a human's life and should be celebrated and not hindered. This means there are sexually-repressed heterosexual priests as well as homosexual ones.
(2) When you pen up the natural sexual needs of these men it will explode somewhere. It has exploded in the form of rape of young girls and boys. But the church wants to hide that and run away from it. They run away not only from the act but from the fact their policies create this behavior.
(3) The best thing the papists could do would be to issue an immense apology, pay retribution and demonstrate reform. But we know they can't or won't because they have prelates who are scared for their gowns and will never admit wrong doing because they don't want to trade their brocade cover with prison garb.
rug
(82,333 posts)atreides1
(16,046 posts)Just pointing it out...
rug
(82,333 posts)muriel_volestrangler
(101,154 posts)That's why it's relevant. They're handing over the money that members might have thought would go towards doing good, or at least to the everyday running costs of buildings, employees etc., to a bunch of PR hacks. The church is involving itself in lawmaking. Paragraph 3 of reply #1 explains it to you.
rug
(82,333 posts)Forget the Catholic Church, your opinion on it is obvious.
Do you see a point of time after which it is impossible to defend against an allegation?
This IS about the Catholic Church.
Nice try in changing the subject.
rug
(82,333 posts)Here's the bill:
http://www.njleg.state.nj.us/2012/Bills/S2000/1651_I1.HTM
It applies to everybody.
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rug
(82,333 posts)dimbear
(6,271 posts)30 years is too much. I'm sure 2 years is too little.
ZombieHorde
(29,047 posts)Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)The indefensible? Through their collection plates. Those that go to their churches, support them ALL the way. IMO Shame on YOU.
pokerfan
(27,677 posts)goldent
(1,582 posts)but two years sounds too short to me, for this kind of thing. If kids are involved, it's not unusual for it to be years for it to be reported.
pokerfan
(27,677 posts)How can an institution conceivably defend itself against a claim that is 40, 50 or 60 years old? Mr. Brannigan said. Statutes of limitation exist because witnesses die and memories fade.
This bill would not protect a single child, he said, while it would generate an enormous transfer of money in lawsuits to lawyers.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/14/us/sex-abuse-statutes-of-limitation-stir-battle.html
goldent
(1,582 posts)It seems it would be hard to decide how many years is appropriate. To me it would seem we pick some number of years (say 10) and then have some kind of appeal process to convince a judge that there is sufficiently complete and reliable evidence to hold a trial after those 10 years.