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cbayer

(146,218 posts)
Fri Jun 21, 2013, 07:26 PM Jun 2013

Pork-laced bullets designed to send Muslims straight ‘to hell’

http://www.religionnews.com/2013/06/21/pork-laced-bullets-designed-to-send-muslims-straight-to-hell/

Tracy Simmons / Spokane Faith & Values | Jun 21, 2013 | 4 Comments


Jihawk Ammo promotional photo courtesy Jihawg Ammo

SPOKANE, Wash. (RNS) Still angry about the idea of an Islamic cultural center opening near Ground Zero, a group of Idaho gun enthusiasts decided to fight back with a new line of pork-laced bullets.

South Fork Industries, based in Dalton Gardens, Idaho, claims its ammunition, called Jihawg Ammo, is a “defensive deterrent to those who violently act in the name of Islam.”

The bullets are coated in pork-infused paint, which the company states makes the ammo “haram,” or unclean, and therefore will keep a Muslim who’s shot with one of the bullets from entering paradise.

“With Jihawg Ammo, you don’t just kill an Islamist terrorist, you also send him to hell. That should give would-be martyrs something to think about before they launch an attack. If it ever becomes necessary to defend yourself and those around you our ammo works on two levels,” the company said in a press release earlier this month.

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Pork-laced bullets designed to send Muslims straight ‘to hell’ (Original Post) cbayer Jun 2013 OP
That's some scary shit. nt ZombieHorde Jun 2013 #1
It came out of Israeli research. Daemonaquila Jun 2013 #11
see Sepoy rebellion MFM008 Jun 2013 #2
Some one else recently told me about this. cbayer Jun 2013 #5
The proper interpretation might be that quite a lot of folk didn't like English rule, struggle4progress Jun 2013 #7
It could be. I have read a number of articles about this and it's cbayer Jun 2013 #8
I doubt the Empire set out to offend them deliberately, though careless struggle4progress Jun 2013 #12
No one seems sure, from what I have read. cbayer Jun 2013 #13
It seems to have been carelessness, to the point of recklessness muriel_volestrangler Jun 2013 #14
The cartridge case was greased, to keep water out. happyslug Jun 2013 #22
A waste of money, seeing as they'll be touched by racist pigs anyway. nt Xipe Totec Jun 2013 #3
Lol, ain't that the truth. cbayer Jun 2013 #9
There's always money to be made off gullible bigots (nt) muriel_volestrangler Jun 2013 #4
like jethro is ever going to meet a muslim jihadist sigmasix Jun 2013 #6
The scary thing is that they are selling these at all. cbayer Jun 2013 #10
When I was in the Air Force Promethean Jun 2013 #15
Moro Rebellion, early 1900s, Philippines. Igel Jun 2013 #16
It's pretty despicable to use people's beliefs in this way, imo. cbayer Jun 2013 #17
Ten bucks says some redneck JoeyT Jun 2013 #18
Agree. This is one of the ugliest things I have ever seen. cbayer Jun 2013 #20
I was hoping this was a hoax. Sadly, seems to be merely a scam. Ever wonder why Idaho is dimbear Jun 2013 #19
It's got some really beautiful parts, but it feels very isolated. cbayer Jun 2013 #21
Anyone else curious to know why people in Idaho are upset about a Mosque in New York? Act_of_Reparation Jun 2013 #23
Apparently, nothing at all would happen. There already is a mosque in Twin Falls. Rod Walker Jun 2013 #24
 

Daemonaquila

(1,712 posts)
11. It came out of Israeli research.
Fri Jun 21, 2013, 10:29 PM
Jun 2013

This was actually a defense project, but it was rejected. Really, it's all based on fricking ignorance... which makes it perfect for bubbas to spend their money on.

MFM008

(19,803 posts)
2. see Sepoy rebellion
Fri Jun 21, 2013, 07:36 PM
Jun 2013

The Indian Rebellion of 1857 began as a mutiny of sepoys of the East India Company's army on 10 May 1857, in the town of Meerut, and soon escalated into other mutinies and civilian rebellions largely in the upper Gangetic plain and central India, with the major hostilities confined to present-day Uttar Pradesh, Bihar, northern Madhya Pradesh, and the Delhi region.[3] The rebellion posed a considerable threat to Company power in that region,[4] and was contained only with the fall of Gwalior on 20 June 1858.[3] The rebellion is also known as India's First War of Independence, the Great Rebellion, the Indian Mutiny, the Revolt of 1857, the Uprising of 1857, the Sepoy Rebellion and the Sepoy Mutiny. The Mutiny was a result of various grievances. However the flashpoint was reached when the soldiers were asked to bite off the paper cartridges for their rifles which they believed were greased with animal fat, namely beef and pork. This was, and is, against the religious beliefs of Hindus and Muslims, respectively. Other regions of Company-controlled India – such as Bengal, the Bombay Presidency, and the Madras Presidency – remained largely calm.[3] In Punjab, the Sikh princes backed the Company by providing soldiers and support.[3] The large princely states of Hyderabad, Mysore, Travancore, and Kashmir, as well as the smaller ones of Rajputana, did not join the rebellion.[5] In some regions, such as Oudh, the rebellion took on the attributes of a patriotic revolt against European presence.[6] Maratha leaders, such as Lakshmibai, the Rani of Jhansi, became folk heroes in the nationalist movement in India half a century later;[3] however, they themselves "generated no coherent ideology" for a new order.[7] The rebellion led to the dissolution of the East India Company in 1858. It also led the British to reorganize the army, the financial system and the administration in India.[8] India was thereafter directly governed by the crown as the new British Raj.[5]

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
5. Some one else recently told me about this.
Fri Jun 21, 2013, 08:01 PM
Jun 2013

The difference was that they weren't going to shoot the Hindus with these kinds of bullets, just wanted to rile them up by putting animal fat on the paper, right?

struggle4progress

(118,228 posts)
7. The proper interpretation might be that quite a lot of folk didn't like English rule,
Fri Jun 21, 2013, 10:18 PM
Jun 2013

so were looking for an excuse to rebel, and somehow the rumor about bullet grease worked

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
8. It could be. I have read a number of articles about this and it's
Fri Jun 21, 2013, 10:21 PM
Jun 2013

really not clear what the purpose was.

Why would the British want to enrage them?

struggle4progress

(118,228 posts)
12. I doubt the Empire set out to offend them deliberately, though careless
Fri Jun 21, 2013, 10:29 PM
Jun 2013

offense by indifference is always a possibility. But I don't know for sure is whether the cartridges were actually greased -- and if they were, with what and for what purpose

muriel_volestrangler

(101,266 posts)
14. It seems to have been carelessness, to the point of recklessness
Sat Jun 22, 2013, 06:30 AM
Jun 2013
http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=35sGgU8A4CEC&lpg=PA30&ots=_sBuORdOgA&pg=PA30#v=onepage&f=false

The new cartridge was manufactured in India, and the grease was mostly tallow - it was needed to lubricate the bullet as it was rammed down the muzzle-loader. Although one officer had already said that unless they could prove the tallow was non-offensive to all the sepoys, they should only issue it to European soldiers, they went ahead, making no effort to restrict it to mutton/goat fat, and then issued it to all the soldiers. In that situation, you'd guess that whatever animal fat was cheapest could end up being used. The Governor General concluded the sepoys' fears were 'well founded'. Because the soldier had to bite the cartridge to open it, it would have been worse than just the touching of the product.
 

happyslug

(14,779 posts)
22. The cartridge case was greased, to keep water out.
Tue Jun 25, 2013, 11:43 PM
Jun 2013

Remember this is a pre-made "Round" of a bullet and powder, all wrapped together in a Cloth wrapping. This was meant for a Muzzle loading rifle musket that Britain had adopted in 1853. It had been successful in the Crimea war of 1854-1856. By 1857 enough had been produced to equip the Army of the East India Company. The round was bitten by two teeth (which ended up being the minimum number of teeth one needed to enlist in the Armies of the US Civil War, which used a similar weapon), the soldier then held the cloth with his teeth while he pulled the cloth from around the round. The powder in the bottom of the round then dropped into the muzzle loader followed by the Minnie Ball, which was driver home by a ram rod.

This method had been used for over 200 years by that date, for it is how muzzle loaders military muskets had been loaded and fired since at least the 1600s. Prior to 1830, such weapons used flint locks to fire a round. Such locks had a misfire rate of one out of six. In 1830 Britain had adopted the Percussion system. In a percussion system a percussion cap replaced the old flint and when the cap was hit by a lock, it ignited and fired the weapon. Its misfire rate was one in 1000 rounds (and this was improved on over the next 30 years).

Now, the British East India Company had taken over India, but not by force of arms (it had used force and arms but these were secondary methods). The British moved in and helped the Mughal Empire collect taxes AND also helped various other Indian Kingdoms to collect taxes. The East Indian Company then slowly took over the running of these governments, once they controlled the collection of taxes. Basically the English were trusted for compared to the Natives, they were honest.

On the Military front, a European Officer was viewed as worth his weight in Gold in India, when compared to the poorly trained native officers, Thus by the mid 1700s, English officer became more and more the norm, even in Indian units (The English reputation for honesty helped them in this regard also). Thus by the early 1800s India was both a Mughal Empire, ruled by the Mughal Emperor AND run by the British East Indian Company (and The British East Indian Company also ran the parts of India NOT in the Mughal Empire). In effect you had two ruling groups, but groups that were also interconnected and intermarried.

Side note: In the late 1800s the Mughal Empire was almost destroyed by the Maratha Empire, which itself destroyed by the East Indian Company who "Restored" the Mughal Empire. That Maratha infantry was considered as good as European Infantry, but their officers (especially their Generals) just plan bad.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maratha_Empire#Maps_showing_the_Maratha_Empire_at_different_stages_of_history

Now as we go into the 1840s and 1850s, the intermarrying of Indians and English seems to die out as more and more English Officers of the upper class ended up in India. This lead to a separation of the Indian and English populations among the ruling class, and isolated the English from their own troops to a degree.

Another problem was the British East Indian Company had expanded since the 1700s, but not as a united whole, but as part of the Mugual Empire and then as not part of that Empire. Some units it had inherited from the Mughal Empire, others it had made up itself and still others from Indian States that had never been under Mughal rule. By the 1850s the British East Indian Company had three armies:

Bombay, Recruited men from every caste. This was along the West Coast of India. While bigger then the Madra army in the Mutiny, it was no where near in munity as the Bengal Army (it was the lost "Loyal" to the Mughal Emperor and thus the support for the Mutiny once the Mughal signed onto the Mutiny

Madras: Recruited men from every caste. This was along the South East Coast of India. Only 12 of its 84 regiments revolted. IT covered that part of Indian that had for the most part NOT been part of the Mughal Empire.

Bengal. Bengal was the largest, but also was recruited mostly from high caste Hindus (Through it did have a large number of Moslems in it). It is around Bangladesh (East Pakistan pre-1970s) from Bengal (modern Bangladesh) to Napal. Most units in the Mutiny was from the Bengal army.

Here is a map of Indian in 1909 showing the three armies (Called Presidencies) in pink and areas ruled by native princes, but still under British rule in Yellow:


It was the Bengal Army that first rose in rebellion, mostly due to fears that the British plans to ship them to Burma by Ship would make them unclean and thus lose their caste. It also was the POOREST paid of the three armies. It was the nearest to New Delhi, where the Mughal Emperor lived and technically ruled from. The grease on the bullets seems just to be the last straw, with the rumor going around that it was made from pork and beef. The Bengal army, being the army with the highest number of high caste soldiers just saw this at the first attempt to make them lose their caste (Being shipped out was a greater fear). .

Side note: The Bengal Army went into revolt over the introduction of the greased cartridges, and then proceeded to use those cartridges in the subsequent revolt. Thus it was more an excuse then the reason. The low pay, the fact the troops were from high castes and a growing tendency to cater to requirements of those caste (and fears that the British may even abolish caste) seems to have all entered into the equation that lead to the revolt. When the revolt started, it had no leader, but the troops then decided that the Mughal Emperor was their leaders and went to him for direction. The Mughal Emperor does not seems to know what to do with these mutineers, but he gave them some direction, but it was ineffective. This lack of leadership is what lead the British to suppress the revolt (along with loyal units from the other two armies, Regular British Soldiers in India AND the Sikhs who ended up supporting the British for their fear reestablishment of the Mughal Empire.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Rebellion_of_1857

Thus it was a popular revolt, involving Caste and high Caste members belief they would lose their caste (and a preference NOT to serve overseas). After the Revolt the Bengal Army was reformed and recruited Sikhs, Gurkhas, Pushtans and other Northern tribes and quit recruiting Brahma and other high caste Hindus (and killed land reform in India, for the area where land reform had been implemented ended up being the area that supported the rebellion the most. Mostly because the peasants had received the land, but it was the higher castes, the old landlords that had been recruited into the Bengal Army prior to 1857).

sigmasix

(794 posts)
6. like jethro is ever going to meet a muslim jihadist
Fri Jun 21, 2013, 08:16 PM
Jun 2013

Some teabagging bubbas lead exciting fantasy lives as protectors and mavericks. Bigot bullets help them to complete the fantasy.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
10. The scary thing is that they are selling these at all.
Fri Jun 21, 2013, 10:22 PM
Jun 2013

Bullets specifically designed to kill Muslims.

It's makes me sick.

Promethean

(468 posts)
15. When I was in the Air Force
Sat Jun 22, 2013, 07:47 AM
Jun 2013

A Master Sergeant I knew told me about a rebellion that was put down among an Islamic population at some undefined time in the past. There was barely any fighting. The General in charge ordered a bunch of the rebels captured. His soldiers slaughtered a bunch of pigs in front of them. Doused all but one of them in pig blood and executed all but the one who wasn't doused. That one guy was let go and the rebellion was over within the week.

I'm not claiming the story is credible but he wasn't the first one to tell me that we could much more effectively fight Muslims by using their beliefs against them. Of course a majority of people experienced on the subject also pointed out that a big part of why they fight us is because we constantly offend their beliefs as well. The most egregious of the offenses being having a military base in the land of Mecca and Medina.

Igel

(35,274 posts)
16. Moro Rebellion, early 1900s, Philippines.
Sat Jun 22, 2013, 12:49 PM
Jun 2013
http://www.snopes.com/rumors/pershing.asp

The snopes thing has a bit of preaching blather before actually dealing with the legend. Makes the link rather less useful, since you have to wade through sermonizing to get to the actual information.

The "Moro Rebellion," by the way, hasn't completely gone away. They still want (or have taken to again wanting) autonomy to be pigs of a different sort.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
17. It's pretty despicable to use people's beliefs in this way, imo.
Sat Jun 22, 2013, 03:07 PM
Jun 2013

That's a really ugly story story and I hope it's not true.

JoeyT

(6,785 posts)
18. Ten bucks says some redneck
Mon Jun 24, 2013, 09:39 PM
Jun 2013

ends up shooting a Greek Orthodox or Hasidic Jew or just plain someone from India with one of these.

Anyone stupid enough to buy them is going to be too stupid to tell anyone that isn't white apart.

dimbear

(6,271 posts)
19. I was hoping this was a hoax. Sadly, seems to be merely a scam. Ever wonder why Idaho is
Tue Jun 25, 2013, 01:20 AM
Jun 2013

shaped that way? It's only 35 miles across in the north. Answer: all the adjoining states took everything they wanted. Left Idaho.

Grim true fact.

Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)
23. Anyone else curious to know why people in Idaho are upset about a Mosque in New York?
Wed Jun 26, 2013, 01:20 AM
Jun 2013

If it is enough to prompt the manufacture of bullets, I would hate to see what would happen if they built a mosque in downtown Twin Falls.

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